Jessica wants a dress that would be approved by her conservative fiancé but her family has other opinions. Catch Say Yes to the Dress on TLC - Sky 133, Virgin 162, BT TV 323
Yeah, he's great. Hopefully the fiance isn't as controlling as it looks from this (things aren't always the way they seem on television), but if he is, Dad will have her back when she needs it.
@@t.matthies3049 she seems a really nice girl while the fiance looks like a difficult person. I guess they are going to live in beauty and the beast sort of relationship.
biyya khan Have you seen the fiancé? That’s a pretty thorough assessment. Maybe he just voiced that he had a preference, and the bride really values his opinion and wanted to please him. Or maybe he is controlling and demanding. We can guess, but we can’t possibly know just based on this video.
Ron say this... Ron says that... My Fiancee would say... But They both are in seminary school studying to be ministers so I kinda get it but as long as it's not inappropriate or overly sexy and it looks nice and elegant ... then let the congregation say AMEN
Something about this is not healthy. At all. She adopts his convictions bc she has none of her own, and she follows him around like a puppy instead of a confident grown woman. Not to mention, I think it's pretty obvious he's gay.
Sheryl Smallwood it seems like dads don’t pay attention to that stuff but my dad would certainly know that I didn’t want some turtle neck dress, dads are kings
I speak from experience. My husband and I felt exactly like these parents. We were worried for her welfare and we prayed that the wedding would be called off. It wasn’t. The marriage was mentally abusive. She’s now divorced and has her eyes wide open.
I am so sorry you and your husband went through that. Even the idea of seeing your child getting together with an abuser knowing full well they aren't meant to be is jarring. I am so glad she's doing fine now. I wish you and your family much happiness to come.
I'm so happy she is good and healthy now and that you always stood by her! Your love is endless and i thank you for being great parents, that will protect and help their child no matter what! I hope for great things in your's and your daughter's future!💗❤
It's heartbreaking to see a young woman with such low self esteem. The fiance' zeroed in on her for just that reason, as he knows he can control her and she's mistaking control for love. She's walking into a life of hell, willingly. The old saying that decent into real hell comes on gradually, is true. The next step will be to move her physically away from her family, once they're married. A controller usually does this, to remove the victim's support system and to further break them down, making them even more dependent.
“there’s not much to be left in the imagination” what a misogynistic thing to say. You don’t marry someone just to take off their clothes afterwards and if they have shown you their BACK suddenly it’s not worth it to marry them anymore because the mystery is gone. Wtf. Marriage is about love and partnership and not about controlling someone’s behavior and body. He has brainwashed her to the point that she thinks showing her arms is “provocative”. She’s gotten herself into a dangerous situation with this marriage.
I'm sure there's someone out there who has a shoulder blade fetish but still.. Lets be reasonable, the average person doesn't find the human back to be overly attractive.
I know this comment is old but I just have to add, who are these people inviting to their wedding that’s gonna be eyeing them up and sexualizing them in the first place?????? Maybe the fault should lie in those people and not how much skin the dress shows FFS
Honestly true. A beautiful girl like her should be able to show off a little curve if she wants to. A guy that tells her how to dress or mocking other styles is just manipulative and mean.
welp that’s that asdfghjkl the style of wedding dress is conservative. Google ‘conservative wedding dress’ and you’ll see tons of modest dresses. don’t make it all about you.
It's obvious her husband is more worried about what other people 'think' and portraying some kind of holier than thou image. I think being a Christian is supposed to be about what's in your heart, not if you wear straps or not, smh.
"She needs to get Mr. Chicken's voice out of her head." Why do I get the feeling that Monte was calling him that as an insult, and not because it's his real name?
This is the one time where I'm on the family's side --- it seems like her fiance is mentally abusive and controlling, this family actually seems healthy and rightfully concerned. I love that they're trying to empower her
No, I felt happy because she was considering his choice as well and it's unusual in today's times.. she did try what he preferred instead of quashing the idea and in the end did what she liked.
aaditi Thorat I like that idea that in a wedding day people can work together on what they both want. However I think in this party situation the problem is that Ron has WAY too many rules for this woman and makes her worried about her own body. It’s concerning that she seems scared to disobey those rules. I hope that helps to explain it😋
@@Raesling1 I mean, telling someone what they can and cannot wear is already emotional abuse, just like telling someone who they can or cannot talk to. Being controlling is emotional abuse. My guess is that it's already happening, but it's in the name of god so anything goes!
like people already kind of pointed out-- the way she couldn't even bear to think for herself worries me-- if he can control her for that, just imagine where this relationship is going to go {abuse?}
Fiance should get a bit nervous if FIL has a room full of trophy heads, a pickup truck and a walk in gun safe. No way would I want to get on FILs bad side.
shes just too good with a heart of gold, wanting to please the person that means the most to her. she cried and was then fine with it:) i would do the same:P as long as he doesnt throw a fit over it later, theyre fine in this matter:)
Pan!c on he does seem controlling, but I think the fact that they are studying to be ministers in the south doesn’t help. Both the Christian religion and southern culture traditionally put emphasis on being more conservative-especially for women. It also seemed like they both agreed this was the style they wanted. I think the crying part was, as the bride said, her realizing she was going to have to let go of her dream and what she’d always envisioned. I agree though that if my fiancé had told me specifically what to wear and I did not feel comfortable with it, I wouldn’t want to be with them, but I think this situation was a bit different. Also, who knows, it could’ve been him pushing and the bride giving in, THINKING that it was what she wanted when in fact it wasn’t (in which case his relationship with her would be very manipulative), but it’s hard to tell.
You don’t know either of them, you can’t judge their relationship. If he were really that bad, she probably would’ve been too scared to go with strapless in the end like she did. She said for herself that she was frustrated because she had envisioned a sleeved dress for herself and was stressed out about her vision possibly being wrong after all
Ava . Marie the south are deeply conservative my fiance his family are exactly like this while my husband to be says its our wedding put on what makes YOU happy. He is very conservative guy, this guy is just scary and controlling
Every bride wants her groom to think she looks beautiful. But I’ve never seen a man make a personal request on what the dress should look like, that’s usually for the woman to obsess about.
Am I the only one who tought that it's SHE that's too caring about her fiance's taste? And make all this tears for nothing? (I'm saying this because maybe I will react in the same way.. I want to look beautiful both for me and my fiancee on the wedding day, and it will be OUR day, and not only mine)
Her wedding photos on FB looked beautiful and they are still married and have a baby daughter. They look so happy and apparently he got over the "conservative" outlook because she's wearing revealing clothes in some of the other photos taken over the years and he's grinning ear-to-ear. He doesn't look to be controlling in the least.
I agree here but I also want to add, I struggle to describe my boyfriend so much. I end up making jokes and portraying things he doesn't like about me instead of what he likes. 😜 Honestly it's just a mess to explain to anyone but we're perfectly fine talking to each other 🥰
For real! "well ron wants a modest dress with a key hole back and sleeves." Okay when Ron comes and picks out his dress he's gonna wear to the wedding then it can have all those things but this is YOUR dress. What do YOU want?
He would have encouraged her to dump the guy. She maybe an adult but he Iss till her father and he should not stop watching out for his baby girl. Sit her down and have an intervention she is clearly marrying a narcissistic asshole.
i dont think they've ever been happier for the father to have an opinion and push his head in and say 'im paying and having an opinion' best dad ever because he knows whats good for her
She should take into consideration what Ron likes, but when all is said and done, she should wear the dress she is comfortable in. If Ron truly thinks she is a spiritual woman, then he should trust that her judgment. I am a conservative Christian woman and I think the dress I absolutely gorgeous on her. So elegant!
When the youth minister at my church and his wife got married she wore a strapless ballgown and everyone loved it he was balling crying seeing her in such an amazingly beautiful dress
Can I just say that her Father is amazing. And so supportive. And becoming a minister does not mean that you cannot show some skin. It also does not mean that you cannot still give up what you want.
Yeah that was one of the biggest red flags for me. My dad and I have a really great relationship and frankly I don't think I could marry someone that he didnt approve of. I know alot of people disagree with that but I know that my dad has my best in mind.
If a woman can have a relationship with her dad where he says babe I want you to look cute modern and beautiful on your wedding, then I envy that. Some of the dads on these shows have been the most encouraging and most supportive, unlocking their inner fashionista to see their baby girl look her best. (That being said, remember that this is a reality TV show so the producers caught on camera the dad rolling his eyes and edited it to be next to a clip of the girl talking about her fiance.)
my husband is very traditional and religious but my husband respect my opinion and I can wear what I want, do what I want as long as not illegal. Being traditional and being manipulative and control freak is very different .
@@ninjamode4462 your right, but her fiance is just controlling, everybody is allowed to live traditional if they want, as long as you don't control or force someone into it. I am truly happy that you and your husband are not like the girl and her fiance in the video, but there are a lot of toxic relationships like hers out there.
It’s especially going to be hard considering her dad is the opposite. I know from experience that having a dad that viewed women as equals and treated me very well that it can create the impression that all men are like that. She has a really awesome dad. It’s too bad her kids won’t get that.
“I don’t think Ron-“ “Ron couldn’t-“ “Ron wants-“ Girl... those are what I call RED FLAGS, she’s so worried about Ron and what he wants that she’s completely forgotten what she really wanted, if it were me, I would have told “Mr. Chicken” to shove it up his and left that toxicity. Sad
Exactly. If he’s done all of this over a dress and we haven’t even seen him yet, then that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Her dad is right. She needs to follow her heart. She’ll still find a good Christian man. It ain’t like they don’t exost
If a man does it he's a gentleman but if a woman does then the man is abusive and toxic. Ya'll really be judging a whole mans character without even seeing him for 1 second in this video, how pathetic and childish.
That’s not necessarily a red flag about her fiancé. That’s honestly a personality problem on her part. She doesn’t seem to have any identity outside of her relationship & doesn’t know how to balance making her partner happy and herself.
The moment they asked if her husbands gonna like the dress and she responded with "he better", gave me hope that she opens her eyes and dumps that man-child, it is your dress and you look gorgeous❤️
@@f.k.a1010 It’s because she loves him N, when you love someone you can’t really see how they’re hurting you until you’ve either left the relationship or have someone from the outside of the relationship tell you, the brain doesn’t simply go “I am being controlled, I should leave”. It makes up excuses for your partners because your feelings take over the way you see someone no matter who they really are But judging by how you talk and the fact you spend your time online telling women to get over themselves I’m sure you don’t much experience in being in love either so I understand-
@@f.k.a1010 It's clear that you have never been truly in love or in an abusive, controlling, or manipulative relationship. Don't speak in situations you can't comprehend. No one is making excuses, we are just more educated on the topic of controlling relationships than you are. Even adults can be controlled until the point of depression.
@@f.k.a1010 I’m sorry but you don’t “allow” yourself to be manipulated. You don’t even know it’s happening, that’s literally what the definition of manipulation is, to control someone without them even realizing, everyone has been or will be manipulated to some degree at some point in their life, no exceptions, so the fact that you’ve never “allowed yourself to be manipulated” is just strait up wrong Do you really even know what manipulation is? Because your responses tell me otherwise
It's clear he's less than impressed with his future son-in-law. You can tell he's angry at him for what he's doing to his daughter. And is it just me or is it obvious Ron Chicken is hiding something in the closet.... 🦗 🦗 🦗
I couldn't disagree more, he's essentially telling his daughter to dishonor an agreement she made with her husband to be. That is not a great start to a marriage. There are 2 things that weren't considered one is that there are multitudes of dresses in that store that are stylish with sleeves or straps. They hardly tried, and the 2nd is if she still couldn't find a dress she wanted, she could talk with her H2B, tell him of her observations and come to a new agreement before making a dress purchase.
@@rosecoward3292 the only person who should get a say in the dress is the person wearing it. If her future husband truly cared about her, he wouldn't have put so much pressure on her that she cried when she realised his dream dress didn't work for her. I've never known a man in a hetero couple to expect any kind of say, whatsoever, in what their future wife wears on their wedding day. If he wants a conservative dress, he can wear one. This all stinks of a religious man expecting his wife to obey.
Huge praise to this papa 🙌🏻 Supportive despite his obvious annoyance at his daughter’s fiancé and Mr. Chicken’s desire to dominate his daughter’s opinions. It must be so hard “giving her away” to someone he doesn’t respect…
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The fact that she cries over a dress that she loves because her husband make her feel dirt at exposing her SHOULDERS and that she picks dress thinking about what he will say about them it's not a red flag, it's a big red placar🚩🚩🚩
Ron sounds sexist and controlling. How she ended up with a man like that being raised by a father who seems to be trying to empower her is beyond me...
Dad probably wasn’t always empowering. He probably controlled what she wore when she was younger but realized how shitty it was when he saw Ron doing it.
Ron wasn't even there, which is a pretty weak move for a sexist, controlling man. Why was Daddy there? Who needs their Daddy's opinion for their wedding dress? Who was being controlling?
2:55 "This is too.. revealing" Sweetie I don't think non psychopaths consider collarbones revealing... Ah yes a strapless dress BAD but if it has a strip of cloth that shouldn't even be considered a sleeve GOOD. I hate most wedding dresses that have straps because 80% were designed strapless and added on later.. plus most wedding dresses with lacy straps are unflattering anyway. Specifically the triangle lacy straps for I have never seen one on somebody that liked it or thought it looked good.
You can tell how much her father is having to bite his tongue not to say what he really thinks about his future son in law. Definitely some controlling red flags going on here sadly.
And yet she is still choosing it. You make your bed and now lie in it. Hopefully she doesn't procreate and then divorce. How horrible for the true victims.
@@jamiedallas6968 As someone who was groomed by a 23yo when she was 17yo, I can honestly say she likely did NOT make the bed. You feel trapped. You're scared. They cover the way out and only talk about your future together. There's gaslighting and fear and aggression. They say leaving is the most dangerous part. It's true.
@@styxman5o783 still a choice. It is a weak person to fall into a mental trap. I do not see her as weak. She still chose the dress she wanted. Tada! She made a choice and it was HER CHOICE. I am glad that you matured enough to get out of your trap. I met (18) and married my husband at 20...he also is 6 years older than me. I also knew the guy who I was courting to be married to wasn't for me (before my husband) even though I loved him. I walked away from that relationship even though it killed me. But the second he laid a hand on me I walked away. I knew better. We all should know better. Thank God you figured it out. But we all need to take ownership of our choices. I am fat. Because I choose to put food into my body that isn't good for me. It's no one's fault but my own. I am not a victim. Is it hard to eat right? Yep. Is it hard to be fat? Yep. Still it's a choice I make. There is power with taking your power back. But to truly do that you have to change the choices that put you there in the first place. And own it.
@@jamiedallas6968 mega oofs here. The amount of victim blaming in this comment is appalling. I was 13 years old when the woman I used to babysit for manipulated me into dating one her 19 yo friends. I was 13 years old when he gaslighted me into losing my virginity. I was 14 years old when he manipulated me into a drug problem, at 15 I was in the hospital. These were my choices yes but I didn't get to make them, why? Because someone older than me who knew better told me it was okay and I believed them. You gonna tell me I need to lie in my bed because I made it? Yes we all should know that we deserve better than to be lied to, gaslit, manipulated and beaten but guess fucking what? That's the problem with abuse! You get stuck into it and they get into your brain and make you believe that you deserve this. That you fucked up so you deserve to be punished for it. They get so deep into your mind that you start telling YOURSELF that you deserve these things. You said you were a survivor yourself but your comment was some of the most abusive shit I've read since I left that relationship. You literally gaslit so many actual survivors right there it's not even funny.
Im a Christian, and that’s not being a Christian that’s being controlling, if my boyfriend ever said stuff like that he would be gone in a second. The fact that she is crying because she is scared of what he will think honestly hurts my heart. Plus the dresses that she put on were not even reveling.
Aren't Christians supposed to cover up tho? She can wear what she wants but just saying, aren't nuns like very devoted Christians and they cover up a lot. 🤔
@@candylover1991 from what I know, they are meant to be more modest with clothing, but I think that they meant that it isn't christian to be so controlling and toxic towards your significant other.
This was so heartbreaking to see. Being so insecure about yourself because your future husband shamed you before, and being afraid that he might do it again on your OWN WEDDING DAY. I really hope she's okay now❤
To some degree, but he was also opinionated and from the beginning he came in saying he wanted a form fitting strapless dress. So he was yet another man trying to influence her choices to his own preferences. He didn't start off saying I want whatever she wants.
@@schreingeiss Yes he did. He said we should get her in a dress she wants & tell Ron after. There's a difference between this is what I like & I won't be happy if you're in something I don't like.
If she cares THAT much about what he "accepts", that woman is going to be dominated in every aspect and decision of her life next to Mr 🐔 marriage is not about being told what to do / wear, is about agreeing and communicating, without giving away your self esteem
Agreed! As a follower of Jesus myself who attended a more culturally conservative Christian university, I think that man needs to chill. The first dress she tried on was showing even LESS cleave than the one she actually chose. She talked about it having a very low back, but it only showed like, less than half of her back? I could understand if it had a sheer top, was a deep v or u cut at the neck, but it wasn't. Nothing was out. She looked absolutely beautiful. And you know what? So what if a woman wears a mermaid dress. The point of them IS for people to notice her body and how good she looks. A wedding is really the only day a lot of women have to ever feel that dressed up and beautiful.
Unfortunately, in the kind of Evangelical Christian perspective that is so wrapped up in purity culture that Mr. Chicken thinks it's inappropriate for a woman to be sleeveless, the word of the "man of the house" (especially so given his ministry background!) serves as the official interpretation of the word of God.
It seems to me that her fiancé is just getting a little too caught up in what other people think. She kept saying it was because they’re going into ministry, so maybe he just didn’t want people to judge her. But she looked beautiful, and I don’t know anyone who would object to that dress
It's been 2 years, and she's chained herself to that misogynistic control freak, but that was her choice. I would have advised her to run as fast as she could in the opposite direction. I love the dress, and her dad is a keeper!
“I feel like I need to leave something to the imagination” it makes me sad that the misogyny has been internalized into her head and she thinks that and won’t listen to her one opinions but only her fiancé’s
She seems genuinely scared of what her fiance will say. Like she's realised that it's what she wants but doesn't want to take the risk in case he's mad with her....
"I'm marrying Ron Chicken... His last name is just like the food." I was expecting "just like the animal", why does this bother me..? Also Mr. Chicken seems like a real turkey.
I think he's maintaining a relationship and being there for her. That way her family will be able to step in and be her support network if she ever needs it.
When women say “he’s very traditional” 9/10 times they mean “controlling” :// so sad to see. I hope she continued to be happy with her pick, cause she looked gorgeous.
The worst thing is they hide with religion. I'm a Christian myself and I would never be that scared, or nervous of my fiance's opinion on something I wear or do. (I'm actually engaged). So many red flags on this episode.
Omg yes! Traditional is too often code for CONTROLLING HUSBAND! it's one thing for your fiance to have an opinion about what you're wearing to the wedding. It's another thing to completely adhere to his opinion as if it's a rule you can't break 😔.
