Brigham's Priesthood Ban 

I wouldn't they would point out that trying to whitewash many statements made by Joseph Smith on the subject as ignorant and naive such as in his translation of the Old testament when he said"Canaan shall be his servant and a veil of darkness shall cover him that he shall be known among all men."or in the pearl of great price when God curses the descendants of Ham with dark skin I can keep going

​@@matthewmiller9303Yes, you are right! This gut either doesnt know crap or he is a an evil apostate who is doing it on purpose! The racial ban was from God, it is scriptural, it is affirmed by so many prophets and apostles including Joseph Smith! He is just like Dr. Reeves and how the saying goes; you have eyes, but you cant see, and you have ears, but you cant hear!!!

I think Young never really pushed that idea, it really started gaining traction under Woodruff. I'd suggest the biggest false tradition we've been handed down from Brigham is the idea that the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles has any business running the Church. Creating that myth was how he usurped authority.

I would love to see a video on this!

@Mike I think Doctrine of Christ channel teaches about how Joseph Smith taught the endowment. It's much different than the Brighamite doctrine.

I loved the recent lecture you gave on the Kirkland temple ceremony. I highly recommend it to you all !!

Are you referring to Brigham Young's talk in 1867 at the October General Conference?

🤣 He sure was a piece of work...🤪😳

he was a visionary for sure. He had a following and created a state. Amazing works despite his racism

@@benzun9600I tend to agree. I view him much like I view Donald Trump. Outside of his persona, he seemed to do a lot for the development of the people he was over. But also did a lot of crappy things too.

BY was called to lead the Pioneer. That was his original purpose. Being a Prophet was his second call and to prove Prophet could be faulty.

You fools that are doing Satan's work to discredit our church and it's prophets better repent! Read my statements!

I found it on Amazon for $3.

You guys are doing some fantastic work as well. I'm looking forward to whatever you have coming up!

@@michaelsutherland5848 thanks! Excited to create some new videos, when I get the chance. Been super busy lately with other stuff unfortunately

What “inestimable damage”?

@@jasonandersen5975 the century+ of idiotic, alienating false “doctrine” that degraded, segregated, favored and ultimately turned away people, both members and non-members alike.

@@jasonandersen5975 because false doctrines are necessarily destructive and lead men away from being reconciled with God rather than towards him. Philosophies of men mingled with scripture are a destructive tool of the adversary, as is organized religion in general.

That reminds me of my early thoughts as well. i admired what appeared to be a peculiar people who were going against societal norms to follow after God. But despite learning the truth of the second president, Brigham Young does not change that; we can still find favour in the eyes of God, and can still work towards Zion. If our leaders have pushed us in the wrong direction, we will push back. God's work will be done. If we use the Book of Mormon, the word of God, as our foundation as Joseph intended, rather than placing our trust in a man or institution to lead us (or mislead us), then we will, in my opinion, be going in the direction Joseph was directed by God. Mormonism, in my understanding, is very centered on individual responsibility; we are responsible for seeking out truth. Men can change our minds, but they can never change what is eternally true. Its my belief that God will judge us based on what we do with the truth we have. We know Gods word is found in the Book of Mormon, and we know God's word is true; that much was enough for me to prepare a foundation to restore my faith in the true gospel.

Brigham Young, despite his flaws, was a prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ.

@@holidayrap By their fruits you shall know them. Since when did this become irrelevant? Brigham Young was a very bad man and was not a prophet of God. Sure, we all have our flaws. However, Brigham Young is responsible for many deaths because of his arrogance and narcissist attitude, he started polygamy in a secret chamber and fantasized about it on his mission which is an abomination, he taught many, many false doctrines, he "prophesied" things that never happened, he boasted his power and dictatorship among the membership, he taught that blacks were less than whites, need I say more? The list is much longer than this. The masses will ignore the reality that the Brighamite church is a false one. The only true church is Jesus and those that are part of the body of Christ. Anyone that teaches not the pure doctrine of Christ is not His.

@@Bob-fh3yk He was ordained by the Prophet Joseph Smith. He like all presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was a prophet of God.

​@@holidayrap Sorry. Brigham Young, admitted many times that he was not a prophet! It doesn't matter what you think or what the church tells you. The facts are fact. If you want to be in denial, so be it. Just read D&C 124: 28. Joseph Smith lost the priesthood and it was never given back to him. They never finished the temple of nauvoo. Where is the fullness of the priesthood today? The church is under condemnation by God! We are not worthy of a prophet unless we repent as a whole. This will not happen because the world is getting more wicked every day.

Google and study "Presentism."

The man was busy doing his homework!

Your GG grandfather was Brigham Young? That's fun! Out of curiosity, what is the general reaction of your fellow descendants to information like this?

@@michaelsutherland5848 Shocked and some denial and disbelief that it happened. But all in all, I believe it is good to be awakened to the truth so testimonies can grow on more fertile ground ... "come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ; and if by the grace of God ye are perfect in Christ, ye can in nowise deny the power of God." (Book of Mormon | Moroni 10:32) Few understand what "grace" really is!

@@kencard6657 Have you been perfected?

I have so much respect for you. Most people would try to deny an ancestor's sins especially when so many have given them a way to do so. Thank you for not only being willing and able to see the truth but to share it as well.

@@kencard6657 Joseph Smith did practice polygamy.

Thank you for a tremendous reveal, especially in light of the "Vaccines are safe and effective." B.S. as the "Church" is in lockstep with the communist dominated U.N.

🎵 I belong to the church of the Lamb of God, in the latter days, mate! 🎵

Young was racist but a visionary and had other ideas that were ahead of his time. Done it a time before snowflakes ruled

John Willard Young making the equivalent of 400k a year!? BY paying his debts. What a life!

Don't criticize our Beloved Prophets (TM) you apostate!

Thank you for your comments. They so well express what I believe.

Then in 3 Nephi 12 Christ says that after they have been baptized with water, He would baptize them with fire and with the Holy Ghost. Then He teaches the blueprint we must follow to by talking about the beatitudes. One of the best scriptures covering the Doctrine of Christ can be found in 2 Nephi 31 and 32, where Nephi gives specific instruction on what we must do to have eternal life. "...and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God." (v. 21)

Not everything on the internet is true. How can any of this be substantiated ? Should we just take your word as gospel?

That's only one interpretation. The other interpretation is that it sees its mission of salvation as a priority. It is the nature of all institutions made for and by man to take on an identity of its own and become obsessed with self preservation even at the cost of those it was intended to serve. Warner Earhart

@@TheCatalyst999 This is the best rationalization for clinging to false beliefs that I've seen all week.

@@michaelsutherland5848 I have no interest whatsoever and clingy to false beliefs. What I am interested in is taking the time and not jumping to conclusions that cost us ground gained from these institutions. There are a lot of wonderful things that come out of people's commitment to the Mormon church. I'm not interested in destroying that just so I can be right about the origins of the institution. I'm well aware there are some serious problems with historical incongruencies. If you want to interpret it as a rationale that is your privilege.

@@TheCatalyst999 There are a lot of wonderful things that come out of people's commitment to the Methodist church. Outside of the Aaronic Priesthood and the Book of Mormon, there's nothing special about the LDS Church.

@@michaelsutherland5848 that's an absurd statement. Every religion has it's a unique prose and cons. You just sound like sour grapes for some reason. What is your point?

The JST is not a translation. Joseph smith was copying from commentaries that he had access to. Nothing he did was restoring text to original verbiage.

I hope this is said in sarcasm. Brad Wilcox

@@heatherb2350 yes I was making a Wilcox joke

But this is why the church will never get better. Wilcox truly believes this and didn't think there was anything wrong with saying it.

And he is planning FSY activities and will propagate this nonsense into the youth of the church. It will take another generation to route it out.

@@jamescrane6583 He did apologize for the comments, which is RARE to almost never from church leadership. The whole talk was a train wreck though. I think he was put on the circuit to be a big cheerleader for FSY. “Kids!! It’s going to be SO FUN!!!!”

Admitting he was wrong would unravel so many things!

Well they can't do this without casting into doubt the "unbroken" line of prophetic authority that the Brethren claim. There's way too much riding on that lie; an official repudiation would destroy the Church as we know it. So don't hold your breath.

I think won't matter to the faithful who are founded upon the Rock when it all unravels and things become impossible to dismiss. So many that have been blessed by the LDS church (flaws and all) are being prepared now to welcome the Davidic servant and will be part of the church of The First Born. ♥️

​@@michaelsutherland5848 I disagree that it would destroy the church. There would definitely be many that would leave but the one's that are there for the social aspects of the church, for the values it teaches, for the leadership opportunities, and many of the TBM's would stay, and I believe it would be a large portion of the members. Too many members will tell you they have prayed and know Nelson is a prophet so a break in the line for a time wouldn't deter them. You also have to remember that the church is very different today then it was when Brigham and his cohorts were in charge. People value the church for what it is today and many would stay for what it offers. The church had an opportunity in 2014 to set the record straight, accept the fall out and build from there, they had it again when they claimed they were going to be transparent and came out with the saints book. Had they done the right thing in either of those moments I think they would have been fine. If they did it now the fall out would probably be greater, still don't think it would destroy the church though.

Brigham Young was a prophet, let's not forget that.

The "firstborn" has always been seen as symbolism; it is a metaphor. Like the Church of the Firstborn, it symbolizes the righteousness and holiness and virtue of man or God and has been adding members since the days of Adam and Eve. It is not a physical church “made with hands” but a spiritual church “made without hands.” The Holy Ghost is obviously symbolic and represents the same. “Holy” is simply describing righteousness [the verb] found in godliness of character and “Ghost” or “Spirit” is defining [the noun] which is any individual who immerses himself or herself into those “holy” attributes which defines a godly people who love “God” [godliness] with all their Spirit, Mind and Body, in that order. Otherwise, the whole concept of worship is founded in “formalism” a prelude into idolatry.

@Mike hey man so actually this rob fatheringham man has that quote/discussion from jospeh Smith about the Holy Ghost. It's in one of his videos like about the...hmmm let me look over a couple and see if I can remember which one it was in.

@Mike so I think it's in the video "the words of Joseph smith?" About 39min long. In fact I think even the video icon has part of the quote on it where the false doctrine about the Godhead is written with red lines through it. If it isnt in that one it's likely in the video "rejecting the fullness"

Patriarchal priesthood is a mystery. (Father-son-firstborn). And it is not the same as the Melchizedek priesthood. (Without father or mother). More was going to be revealed about it in the Nauvoo temple, and it pertains to the work of the Father, gathering of Israel, and establishment of Zion in the last days. The FLDS (and LDS) teach that the patriarchal priesthood is “celestial marriage.” This is false.

Mormons want to be right more than they want to be saved. True Blue Mormons will simply not comprehend the material you indicate.

@@michaelsutherland5848 Most won't, but some will. I am pretty sure Rob stated he was a TBM and I know many other TBM's who have embraced the truth.

@@freethinker1026 Sure, I was one myself. But for me it took something to shake my belief in the Church's infallibility before I could consider alternatives. In my case, it was the phrase "safe and effective." A TBM doesn't break their devotion to their false traditions without some kind of similar catalyst.

It is claimed here that the church has gone through a sort of "purification" as relates to the doctrines and practices listed at that time stamp, but really it's more like a coverup. It can't be a purification if the mistakes and willful sins are never honestly admitted to. The Lord will uncover (so far, through the Internet) everything they think they have successfully hidden, and it won't be pretty.

@@freethinker1026 what is a TBM?

That's a good question. I believe he alluded to the fact that most of the things that were done wrong by Brigham Young have been resolved.

I think we've course-corrected in some ways while going ever farther astray in others. For instance, Church financial matters. We don't even blink at open institutionalized priestcraft anymore, and why help the poor when you can hoard $300bn worth of assets instead? Another example is how temples have been transformed into a lever of control and source of pride. We have turned them into idols by putting our emphasis on being "temple worthy" rather than on being disciples of Christ, and if you question Church leadership too loudly, the privilege of temple worship is withdrawn - which in LDS dogma means you've given up your shot at salvation until you repent, apostate. Ask me how I know.

@@morjulies we have a long way to go to get back to the church Joseph restored

@@morjulies There is not a single record of what Joseph deemed to be the "endowment." I do believe parts of it are true, but there are many aspects that were changed and distorted. I know of other apocryphal writing that covers a similar endowment but removes all masonic symbolism and oaths.

@@MrFishwalker what is that apocryphal writing?

What evidence do you have that 132 didn't come from Joseph Smith?

@@jamescrane6583 Well, given that there is precisely zero evidence that JS produced section 132 in anyhing even remotely resembling the form in which we now have it, given that it represents a vast, crude stylistic departure from his actual revelations, given that BY conveniently produced it from his desk drawer in Salt Lake in 1852, and, most important, given the fact that JS actively fought against polygamy until the end of his life (he neither revealed, taught, nor practiced plural marriage), I'd say that any claims saying he DID author section 132 just don't pass the smell test.

@@JakobPGrau I just cant take serious people who dont acknowledge that Joseph smith participated in polygamy. Journals and testimony of Joseph Smith's wives is evidence of his participation.

Warren, The sources for this video are listed in the description (with available links, which are truncated here): Sources Mormonism's Negro Doctrine: An Historical Overview, Lester E. Bush, Jr. www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-co... Writing "Mormonism's Negro Doctrine: An Historical Overview" (1973): Context and Reflections, 1998, Lester E. Bush, Jr. digitalcommons.usu.edu/mormon... Download PDF and go to page 233. David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism by Gregory A. Prince and Wm. Robert Wright, University of Utah Press. The Mormon Hierarchy, Origins of Power, D. Michael Quinn, Signature Books. Lengthen Your Stride, The Presidency of Spencer W. Kimball, Working Draft, by Edward Kimball, Benchmark Books. Religion of a Different Color, Race and the Mormon Struggle for Whiteness, W. Paul Reeve, Oxford University Press. The Orson Pratt-Brigham Young Controversies: Conflict Within the Quorums, 1853 to 1868 www.jstor.org/stable/45224861... John Willard Young, Brigham Young, and the Development of Presidential Succession in the LDS Church, Todd Compton. www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-co... Seniority in the Twelve: The 1875 Realignment of Orson Pratt, Gary James Bergera, Journal of Mormon History. radiofreemormon.org/2017/07/r... Notes on Apostolic Succession, Steven H. Heath: www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-co...

Dang good point. I mean it REALLY does. JESUS was prepared from (or rather "IS") the foundation of this world. This world and all its creation is given to Christ and is His for all eternity. He is the Savior and Creator of it. The authority and ownership of it cannot go to someone else. I mean, if God the Father was Adam, how come the temple endownment has Adam as Michael, and at adam ondi ahman ADAM hands all the priesthood keys and authority over to CHRIST.

"We believe that [God] will YET reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God." - J Smith

@@brentlarsen4414 yes you're correct Brett.. God will reveal many great and important things. But with that being said do you believe that God changes the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Do you believe that God adds and takes away from the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Can the church and individuals receive additional gospel knowledge and Truth? And if so does that change the Gospel of Jesus Christ? Or is the Gospel of Jesus Christ unchanging like Jesus Christ says it is in 3rd Nephi chapter 11? Or do you not believe what Jesus Christ tells you in 3 Nephi?

@@spamjelly9635 this is an interesting question. I mean, the Gospel of Jesus Christ hasn't change since before the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. So, ok. But that isn't really what was "restored" through Joseph. I mean I have evangelical friends who believe that we need to get baptized in the manor described by the Savior in 3rd Nephi, and then continue in faith for the rest of our lives, they believe that based on the bible. That the fact that Joseph "added to" that was unnecessary and therefore not of God. How could joseph "restore the fullness of the gospel" when the principle outlined in 3 Ne was already understood by Christianity in his day. He must have been restoring something more than just the doctrine of Christ. All I'm really saying is that joseph didn't restore all that can and will be restored just because he restored the "fullness". If Joseph restored everything, then what will we call the things restored when the writings of the lost 10 tribes are restored, or when the sealed portion of the Book of Mormon is revealed?

@@spamjelly9635 I guess, what I'm getting at here is that I don't mind if Brigham, as president of the church wants to reveal additional truth, or even clarify things that aren't well understood. Even to the contradiction of what was previously believed, if it was in error. That's his peragative, and that's the nature of ongoing revelation making us wiser and wiser as time goes on. All I'm saying is that later day truths are not required to stem from Joseph in order to be truth. However, it does seem like a lot of falsehood has crept in after Joseph, and there's probably a lot of wisdom in asking "is this really founded in the restored gospel as revealed to Joseph?"

@@brentlarsen4414 Doctrine and Covenants says multiple times in multiple ways that the fullness of the Gospel was restored to Joseph Smith. In 1832 members serving a mission were told now that you have the fullness of the Gospel go Proclaim it. Through Joseph Smith the proper Authority and proper wording of how those ordinances were to be performed or restored. And one of the duties of one having Authority is to make sure that the gospel Jesus Christ is not altered in any way. Brigham Young literally changed the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He added additional principles and ordinances. The endowment became essential for exaltation. Contrary to what Doctrine and Covenant says. He also said polygamy and Temple ceilings were essential for salvation. When Doctrine and Covenant says that the welding link that binds us together is baptism. In Journal of discourses Brigham Young also says that if you don't believe in the Adam God Doctrine it will prove your salvation or your damnation. So are you cool with Brigham Young doing this. Here's some reading for you and get back with me tell me what you think. D&C 88:133-141..D&C128:17-18..D&C 22 read The Heading also and the whole section. You have a good evening brother Larsen

Well said!

Excellent comment.

Native americans are not the seed of manasseh.

@@jamescrane6583 Alma 10:3

@@j.t.9935 so what. The book of mormon is not a historical record. The native americans are not descendants of the characters in the book of mormon.

Brigham’s criticism of Joseph (28:28) occurred years after Joseph’s death in 1844.

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I would suggest that, like most faithful Mormons, you have been taught to conflate revelation (ie "burning in the bosom") with warm fuzzies. Revelation consists of information, and your emotional reaction may be a response to the information. The emotional reaction (warm fuzzies) itself is within the adversary's power to manipulate. In this way, Satan leads so many good people into a life of distraction from Christ in favor of The Church, The Brethren, Our Beloved Prophet, etc.

To be learned is good… You know the rest of that scripture. Cliche “Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water” seems like an appropriate suggestion for you. You do not know me. I suppose you might think that God only speaks through logic and reason. I think appropriate research, gathering information, using the mind and applying scientific method and reason are all good. So is prayer and listening to “the still small voice”. You do not answer my prayers. God has answered many of my prayers. Yes I will be listening to General Conference and yes I expect to feel the whisperings of the spirit witness to truths testified at the pulpit and in song and prayer. I have found that listening prayerfully makes all the difference. You seem to be saying I am listening to Satan, if so you are mistaken. Please give this a try: humbly and prayerfully listen to all the General Conference talks this weekend. Listen with your ears AND your heart and please be honest with yourself. Thanks

@@bryanl.taylor6249 Likewise, you don't know me. I've been a faithful Mormon for decades, but as I've studied the scriptures and begun to actually believe what they say, I've seen that the LDS Church is riddled with the philosophies of man mingled in with those scriptures. We do not study or acknowledge our history, and instead cling to the false traditions that history produced. As for babies and bathwater, I agree. The "Baby" is Jesus, Joseph Smith, and the Book of Mormon, while the bathwater is the cruft of false traditions that have attached like barnacles - one example being the conflation of "warm fuzzies" with revelation. IF one's devotion to the Church is such that it distracts from a diligent effort to build a relationship with Christ and seek His face, then it is a distraction of Satan. He doesn't need to convince you to be a bad person. He just needs to keep you busy with a law of ordinances and performances such as the one we've developed since the Church was rejected in 1844. My point is that the baby is drowning in the bathwater. We need to repent as a people and abandon our false traditions if we're to save it. Our leadership is failing to lead us in that direction. The general authorities will doubtless preach many pleasing doctrines this weekend. The only false traditions that endure are the pleasing ones.

@@michaelsutherland5848 What hope, revelation and saving ordinances do you offer? I choose our prophets

@@bryanl.taylor6249 Everything that Joseph Smith taught. Beyond that, we haven't had prophets since 1844, so it's all suspect.

What are you talking about? The Bible clearly says it's only for the white adamic race

It would just be nice if the true church had a little truth in it.

That is what the book of abraham claims. It is not a translation of writings of abraham. It is made up by Joseph Smith.

I mentioned Joseph's aversion to interracial marriage at 3:28-3:38. Of the four black Mormons who claimed to have lived in the Prophet Joseph's home, I am only aware of Jane James' account of her experience there: "Yes, indeed, I guess I did know the Prophet Joseph. That lovely hand! He used to put it out to me. Never passed me without shaking hands with me wherever he was. Oh, he was the finest man I ever saw on earth. I did not get much of a chance to talk with him. He'd always smile, always just like he did to his children. He used to be just like I was his child. O yes, my, I used to read in the Bible so much and in the Book of Mormon and Revelations, and now I have to sit and can't see to read, and I think over them things, and I tell you I do wake up in the middle of the night, and I just think about Brother Joseph and Sister Emma and how good they was to me. When I went there I only had two things on me, no shoes nor stockings, wore them all out on the road. I had a trunk full of beautiful clothes, which I had sent around by water, and I was thinking of having them when I got to Nauvoo, and they stole them at St. Louis, and I did not have a rag of them. They was looking for us because I wrote them a letter. There was eight of us, my mother and two sisters and a brother and sister-in-law, and we had two children, one they had to carry all the way there, and we traveled a thousand miles. Sister Emma she come to the door first and she says, "Walk in, come in all of you," and she went up stairs, and down he comes and goes into the sitting room and told the girls that they had there, he wanted to have the room this evening, for we have got company come. I knew it was Brother Joseph because I had seen him in a dream. He went and brought Dr. Bernhisel down and Sister Emma, and introduced him to everyone of us, and said, "Now, I want you to tell me about some of your hard trials. I want to hear of some of those hard trials." And we told him. He slapped his hands. "Dr. Bernhisel," he said, "what do you think of that?" And he said, "I think if I had had it to do I should not have come; would not have had faith enough." I was the head leader. I had been in the Church a year and a little over. That is sixty-nine years ago. [She was at the time about twenty years of age.] So then our folks got places. He kept them a whole week until they got homes, and I was left. He came in every morning to see us and shake hands and know how we all were. One morning, before he came in, I had been up to the landing and found all my clothes were gone. Well, I sat there crying. He came in and looked around. "Why where's all the folks?" "Why Brother," I says, "they have all got themselves places; but," I says, "I haint got any place," and I burst out a-crying. "We won't have tears here," he says. "But," I says, "I have got no home." "Well you've got a home here," he says, "Have you seen Sister Emma this morning." "No, sir," I says. So he started out and went upstairs and brought Sister Emma down and says, "Here's a girl who says she's got no home. Don't you think she's got a home here?" And she says, "If she wants to stay here." And he says, "Do you want to stay here?" "Yes, sir," says I. "Well, now," he says, "Sister Emma you just talk to her and see how she is." He says, "Good morning," and he went. We had come afoot, a thousand miles. We lay in bushes, and in barns and outdoors, and traveled until there was a frost just like a snow, and we had to walk on that frost. I could not tell you, but I wanted to go to Brother Joseph. I did not talk much to him, but every time he saw me he would say, "God bless you," and pat me on the shoulder. To Sister Emma, he said, "go and clothe her up, go down to the store and clothe her up." Sister Emma did. She got me clothes by the bolt. I had everything. The folks that come to me think I ought to talk and tell what Brother Joseph said, but he was hid up (his enemies were seeking his life) and I cannot remember now. I could not begin to tell you what he was, only this way, he was tall, over six feet; he was a fine, big, noble, beautiful man! He had blue eyes and light hair, and very fine white skin. When he was killed, I liked to a died myself, if it had not been for the teachers, I felt so bad. I could have died, just laid down and died; and I was sick abed, and the teachers told me, "You don't want to die because he did. He died for us, and now we all want to live and do all the good we can." Things came to pass what he prophesied about the colored race being freed. Things that he said has come to pass. I did not hear that, but I knew of it. After I saw him plain, I was certain he was a prophet because I knew it. I was willing to come and gather, and when he came in with Dr. Bernhisel I knew him. Did not have to tell me because I knew him. I knew him when I saw him back in old Connecticut in a vision, saw him plain and knew he was a prophet. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and there will never be any other on earth. It has come to stay." (Young Women's Journal, 1905, pp. 551-553)

They don't carry that curse. Noah and all three of his sons were white. The non-white races are actually Children of the Fallen Angels. Adam and Eve were only the first two white people

Why do you ask? How is that connected? just curious

@@stephentaylor8011 Just want to know what the practical implications are for moving forward, for those who find Rob’s take on the history persuasive.

@@ccardall It's an interesting situation for sure, are you an associate of Denver's?

To stop following one man only to turn around and follow another doesn't seem like the best practice. While Snuffer has put out a lot of truths with regards to history, his blasphemous teaching that we can all become Christ's should keep anyone from following him. Not much batter than BY Adam/God theory IMO.

@@freethinker1026 do you know when he said that?

And in Smith's translation of the Old testament didn't he also say"Canaan shall be his servant and a veil of darkness shall cover him that he shall be known among all men."much like polygamy trying to blame the church's racist past merely on Brigham Young does not work

It’s very clear that the curse is a skin of blackness and that it pertains to being banned from the priesthood.

2Ne 5:20-25 20 Wherefore, the word of the Lord was fulfilled which he spake unto me, saying that: Inasmuch as they will not hearken unto thy words they shall be cut off from the presence of the Lord. And behold, they were cut off from his presence. 21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them. 22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities. 23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done. 24 And because of their cursing which was upon them they did become an idle people, full of mischief and subtlety, and did seek in the wilderness for beasts of prey. 25 And the Lord God said unto me: They shall be a scourge unto thy seed, to stir them up in remembrance of me; and inasmuch as they will not remember me, and hearken unto my words, they shall scourge them even unto destruction. ------------ Alma 3:6-19 6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men. 7 And their brethren sought to destroy them, therefore they were cursed; and the Lord God set a mark upon them, yea, upon Laman and Lemuel, and also the sons of Ishmael, and Ishmaelitish women. 8 And this was done that their seed might be distinguished from the seed of their brethren, that thereby the Lord God might preserve his people, that they might not mix and believe in incorrect traditions which would prove their destruction. 9 And it came to pass that whosoever did mingle his seed with that of the Lamanites did bring the same curse upon his seed. 10 Therefore, whosoever suffered himself to be led away by the Lamanites was called under that head, and there was a mark set upon him. 11 And it came to pass that whosoever would not believe in the tradition of the Lamanites, but believed those records which were brought out of the land of Jerusalem, and also in the tradition of their fathers, which were correct, who believed in the commandments of God and kept them, were called the Nephites, or the people of Nephi, from that time forth- 12 And it is they who have kept the records which are true of their people, and also of the people of the Lamanites. 13 Now we will return again to the Amlicites, for they also had a mark set upon them; yea, they set the mark upon themselves, yea, even a mark of red upon their foreheads. 14 Thus the word of God is fulfilled, for these are the words which he said to Nephi: Behold, the Lamanites have I cursed, and I will set a mark on them that they and their seed may be separated from thee and thy seed, from this time henceforth and forever, except they repent of their wickedness and turn to me that I may have mercy upon them. 15 And again: I will set a mark upon him that mingleth his seed with thy brethren, that they may be cursed also. 16 And again: I will set a mark upon him that fighteth against thee and thy seed. 17 And again, I say he that departeth from thee shall no more be called thy seed; and I will bless thee, and whomsoever shall be called thy seed, henceforth and forever; and these were the promises of the Lord unto Nephi and to his seed. 18 Now the Amlicites knew not that they were fulfilling the words of God when they began to mark themselves in their foreheads; nevertheless they had come out in open rebellion against God; therefore it was expedient that the curse should fall upon them. 19 Now I would that ye should see that they brought upon themselves the curse; and even so doth every man that is cursed bring upon himself his own condemnation.

3Ne 2:14-16 14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites; 15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites; 16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year. ------------ 3Ne 19:22-30 22 Father, thou hast given them the Holy Ghost because they believe in me; and thou seest that they believe in me because thou hearest them, and they pray unto me; and they pray unto me because I am with them. 23 And now Father, I pray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be one. 24 And it came to pass that when Jesus had thus prayed unto the Father, he came unto his disciples, and behold, they did still continue, without ceasing, to pray unto him; and they did not multiply many words, for it was given unto them what they should pray, and they were filled with desire. 25 And it came to pass that Jesus blessed them as they did pray unto him; and his countenance did smile upon them, and the light of his countenance did shine upon them, and behold they were as white as the countenance and also the garments of Jesus; and behold the whiteness thereof did exceed all the whiteness, yea, even there could be nothing upon earth so white as the whiteness thereof. 26 And Jesus said unto them: Pray on; nevertheless they did not cease to pray. 27 And he turned from them again, and went a little way off and bowed himself to the earth; and he prayed again unto the Father, saying: 28 Father, I thank thee that thou hast purified those whom I have chosen, because of their faith, and I pray for them, and also for them who shall believe on their words, that they may be purified in me, through faith on their words, even as they are purified in me. 29 Father, I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me out of the world, because of their faith, that they may be purified in me, that I may be in them as thou, Father, art in me, that we may be one, that I may be glorified in them. 30 And when Jesus had spoken these words he came again unto his disciples; and behold they did pray steadfastly, without ceasing, unto him; and he did smile upon them again; and behold they were white, even as Jesus.

Alma 5:19-39 (really the entire chapter) 19 I say unto you, can ye look up to God at that day with a pure heart and clean hands? I say unto you, can you look up, having the image of God engraven upon your countenances? 20 I say unto you, can ye think of being saved when you have yielded yourselves to become subjects to the devil? 21 I say unto you, ye will know at that day that ye cannot be saved; for there can no man be saved except his garments are washed white; yea, his garments must be purified until they are cleansed from all stain, through the blood of him of whom it has been spoken by our fathers, who should come to redeem his people from their sins. 22 And now I ask of you, my brethren, how will any of you feel, if ye shall stand before the bar of God, having your garments stained with blood and all manner of filthiness? Behold, what will these things testify against you? 23 Behold will they not testify that ye are murderers, yea, and also that ye are guilty of all manner of wickedness? 24 Behold, my brethren, do ye suppose that such an one can have a place to sit down in the kingdom of God, with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob, and also all the holy prophets, whose garments are cleansed and are spotless, pure and white? 25 I say unto you, Nay; except ye make our Creator a liar from the beginning, or suppose that he is a liar from the beginning, ye cannot suppose that such can have place in the kingdom of heaven; but they shall be cast out for they are the children of the kingdom of the devil. 26 And now behold, I say unto you, my brethren, if ye have experienced a change of heart, and if ye have felt to sing the song of redeeming love, I would ask, can ye feel so now? 27 Have ye walked, keeping yourselves blameless before God? Could ye say, if ye were called to die at this time, within yourselves, that ye have been sufficiently humble? That your garments have been cleansed and made white through the blood of Christ, who will come to redeem his people from their sins? 28 Behold, are ye stripped of pride? I say unto you, if ye are not ye are not prepared to meet God. Behold ye must prepare quickly; for the kingdom of heaven is soon at hand, and such an one hath not eternal life. 29 Behold, I say, is there one among you who is not stripped of envy? I say unto you that such an one is not prepared; and I would that he should prepare quickly, for the hour is close at hand, and he knoweth not when the time shall come; for such an one is not found guiltless. 30 And again I say unto you, is there one among you that doth make a mock of his brother, or that heapeth upon him persecutions? 31 Wo unto such an one, for he is not prepared, and the time is at hand that he must repent or he cannot be saved! 32 Yea, even wo unto all ye workers of iniquity; repent, repent, for the Lord God hath spoken it! 33 Behold, he sendeth an invitation unto all men, for the arms of mercy are extended towards them, and he saith: Repent, and I will receive you. 34 Yea, he saith: Come unto me and ye shall partake of the fruit of the tree of life; yea, ye shall eat and drink of the bread and the waters of life freely; 35 Yea, come unto me and bring forth works of righteousness, and ye shall not be hewn down and cast into the fire- 36 For behold, the time is at hand that whosoever bringeth forth not good fruit, or whosoever doeth not the works of righteousness, the same have cause to wail and mourn. 37 O ye workers of iniquity; ye that are puffed up in the vain things of the world, ye that have professed to have known the ways of righteousness nevertheless have gone astray, as sheep having no shepherd, notwithstanding a shepherd hath called after you and is still calling after you, but ye will not hearken unto his voice! 38 Behold, I say unto you, that the good shepherd doth call you; yea, and in his own name he doth call you, which is the name of Christ; and if ye will not hearken unto the voice of the good shepherd, to the name by which ye are called, behold, ye are not the sheep of the good shepherd. 39 And now if ye are not the sheep of the good shepherd, of what fold are ye? Behold, I say unto you, that the devil is your shepherd, and ye are of his fold; and now, who can deny this? Behold, I say unto you, whosoever denieth this is a liar and a child of the devil.

1Ne 12:6-23 6 And I saw the heavens open, and the Lamb of God descending out of heaven; and he came down and showed himself unto them. 7 And I also saw and bear record that the Holy Ghost fell upon twelve others; and they were ordained of God, and chosen. 8 And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the twelve disciples of the Lamb, who are chosen to minister unto thy seed. 9 And he said unto me: Thou rememberest the twelve apostles of the Lamb? Behold they are they who shall judge the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, the twelve ministers of thy seed shall be judged of them; for ye are of the house of Israel. 10 And these twelve ministers whom thou beholdest shall judge thy seed. And, behold, they are righteous forever; for because of their faith in the Lamb of God their garments are made white in his blood. 11 And the angel said unto me: Look! And I looked, and beheld three generations pass away in righteousness; and their garments were white even like unto the Lamb of God. And the angel said unto me: These are made white in the blood of the Lamb, because of their faith in him. 12 And I, Nephi, also saw many of the fourth generation who passed away in righteousness. 13 And it came to pass that I saw the multitudes of the earth gathered together. 14 And the angel said unto me: Behold thy seed, and also the seed of thy brethren. 15 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the people of my seed gathered together in multitudes against the seed of my brethren; and they were gathered together to battle. 16 And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the fountain of filthy water which thy father saw; yea, even the river of which he spake; and the depths thereof are the depths of hell. 17 And the mists of darkness are the temptations of the devil, which blindeth the eyes, and hardeneth the hearts of the children of men, and leadeth them away into broad roads, that they perish and are lost. 18 And the large and spacious building, which thy father saw, is vain imaginations and the pride of the children of men. And a great and a terrible gulf divideth them; yea, even the word of the Justice of the Eternal God, and the Messiah who is the Lamb of God, of whom the Holy Ghost beareth record, from the beginning of the world until this time, and from this time henceforth and forever. 19 And while the angel spake these words, I beheld and saw that the seed of my brethren did contend against my seed, according to the word of the angel; and because of the pride of my seed, and the temptations of the devil, I beheld that the seed of my brethren did overpower the people of my seed. 20 And it came to pass that I beheld, and saw the people of the seed of my brethren that they had overcome my seed; and they went forth in multitudes upon the face of the land. 21 And I saw them gathered together in multitudes; and I saw wars and rumors of wars among them; and in wars and rumors of wars I saw many generations pass away. 22 And the angel said unto me: Behold these shall dwindle in unbelief. 23 And it came to pass that I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark, and loathsome, and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations. ------------ Alma 12:10-13 10 Now, as I said concerning the holy order, or this high priesthood, there were many who were ordained and became high priests of God; and it was on account of their exceeding faith and repentance, and their righteousness before God, they choosing to repent and work righteousness rather than to perish; 11 Therefore they were called after this holy order, and were sanctified, and their garments were washed white through the blood of the Lamb. 12 Now they, after being sanctified by the Holy Ghost, having their garments made white, being pure and spotless before God, could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence; and there were many, exceedingly great many, who were made pure and entered into the rest of the Lord their God. 13 And now, my brethren, I would that ye should humble yourselves before God, and bring forth fruit meet for repentance, that ye may also enter into that rest.

Yes, the "skins of blackness" was a term that was actually describing the spiritual state of the people. Joseph Smith's presidential declaration of 1844 reveals that the "skins of blackness" refers to the SPIRITUAL state of man.

As I understand it, "skin of blackness" was a Hebrew idiom indicating spiritual darkness. It meant something akin to "gloomy."

@@michaelsutherland5848 it doesn't matter what the hebrews meant. It only matters how people used the phrase.

@@jamescrane6583 Well that's a good recipe for corruption of truth. Of course it matters.

@@michaelsutherland5848 no, if people in 1904 salt lake city use it to treat people with different colored skin differently, then it doesnt matter what people thousands of years ago thought or how they use a phrase. It only matters how we use the phrase. Let's assume that it does mean gloomy rather than black skin. Why should we treat gloomy people different?

I will. He was a tyrant, adulterer, and grifter. To his credit, he was not a false prophet, as he proclaimed on many occasions that he was not a prophet. Stop cloaking your rationalizations in religiosity.

Brother…. The reason the saints saw all this filth is because of Brigham Young AND the 12. They destroyed the restoration. Now we pretend we have a “prophet” that is called of God but never has spoken with God. When in all of history do we sustain a prophet that has never spoken with God? Do we not ever ask ourselves - what the hell is going on…?

When you worship an 'exalted man' from another planet, you have no chance of ever getting into the kingdom of God. Revelation 21:8 idolaters will be cast into the lake which burns with fire.🔥 It sounds like you are talking about Brigham Young ordering the Mountain Meadows massacre, his 'marriage' to a 14 year old, etc.?

@@estherlewis7458 It doesn't appear that Young actually ordered the Mountain Meadows massacre - on the contrary, he sent word as fast as horseback would allow to leave them alone, though it was too late. He was certainly responsible for fostering the culture by which the massacre was rationalized by local leadership and the rank-and-file.

@@michaelsutherland5848 That's a fair assessment from what I've read. Brigham Young did say that interracial couples should be shot on the spot. He also believed that Adam was God, believed in blood atonement, that people lived on the moon and the sun, and that Christ practiced polygamy, fathered children and was crucified for practicing polygamy. (Not even the LDS church believes in such vile and obscene blasphemies any more.) Brigham Young had serious mental health illnesses. I suppose not as serious or at least as obvious as Joseph Smith's. Such a sad story

I used to believe this for 20 years until I dug into the origin of the teaching. Sadly (thankfully?) I have learned that this is not a true doctrine. It has caused much compulsion of conscience and scared humble followers of Christ into submission to their “priesthood” leaders. The truth of God does go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, as it were, but not through a corporate church, but rather a spiritual church-the Church of the Lamb that Nephi saw in vision.

Read Jeremiah and Isaiah.

Behold this shining example of the True Blue Mormon's willful blindness!

@@michaelsutherland5848 How do you put a dead man on trial?

@@buzzwatching By studying his history. In general, Mormons are too interested in being right to bother with actually studying the Church's history.

Unfortunately you’ll need to chastise Nephi, Mormon, and Moroni about the “church.” And your churches - yea - even everyone…. (Does this include the LDS church? Or is this for all the rest of them…) O ye wicked, and perverse, and stiffnecked people, why have you built up churches unto yourselves to get gain? Why have ye transfigured the holy word of God that ye might bring damnation upon your souls? Behold, look ye unto the revelations of God, for behold, the time cometh at that day when all these things must be fulfilled. Behold, the Lord hath shewn unto me great and marvelous things concerning that which must shortly come at that day when these things shall come forth among you. Behold, I speak unto you as if ye were present, and yet ye are not. But behold, Jesus Christ hath shewn you unto me, and I know your doing, and I know that ye do walk in the pride of your hearts. And there are none, save a few only, who do not lift themselves up in the pride of their hearts, unto the wearing of very fine apparel, unto envying, and strifes, and malice, and persecutions, and all manner of iniquity. And your churches, yea, even every one, have become polluted because of the pride of your hearts. For behold, ye do love money, and your substance, and your fine apparel, and the adorning of your churches, more than ye love the poor and the needy, the sick and the afflicted. O ye pollutions, ye hypocrites, ye teachers who sell yourselves for that which will canker, why have ye polluted the holy church of God? Why are ye ashamed to take upon you the name of Christ? Why do ye not think that greater is the value of an endless happiness than that misery which never dies? Because of the praise of the world? Why do ye adorn yourselves with that which hath no life, and yet suffer the hungry, and the needy, and the naked, and the sick, and the afflicted to pass by you and notice them not? Yea, why do ye build up your secret abominations to get gain? And cause that widows should mourn before the Lord, and also orphans to mourn before the Lord, and also the blood of their fathers and their husbands to cry unto the Lord from the ground for vengeance upon your heads? Behold, the sword of vengeance hangeth over you, and the time soon cometh that he avengeth the blood of the saints upon you, for he will not suffer their cries any longer.

Dontchaknow, Matt, those passages are talking about the Gentiles - you know, those dirty non-Mormons who will never read them? They can't be talking about *US* because righteous and holy and chosen and all is well in Zion!

To clarify, I’m speaking of the BY “quotes”.

All lies, huh? Pretty black and white claim you make there.

Unfortunately, Brigham told the church God never called him. He even publicly stated he never saw an angel. He was voted into the office - not called of God.

If god is so irresponsible to call such horrible men as prophets why should we care if he confirms they are prophets?

@@jamescrane6583 I’m not sure I understand your statement. The entire point of receiving a calling from God is to deliver a message. The way the LDS church views “callings” as “inspired” from God is entirely different from scripture. God calls men with his own voice. Any time a message needs to be delivered it is God that called and God that has chosen. Brigham Young was never called of God and never chosen of him. He campaigned to be elected as President of the Church. He claims he never was called or chosen of God. There is a significant difference between what God does and what men believes they are doing for God. The Book of Mormon is full of examples of men being called and chosen by God.

@@mattenger7064 the issue isn't the quality of people god is call. The issue is god. What kind of incompetent being selects brigham young when there are better choices? Not a being that deserves worship. The mormon god call the worst human beings to full be his spokesman? It reflects very poorly on his character. Or at least it should! If god picks violent, dishonest, greedy, power hungry, sexual-deviant people to be his spokesman, how can we conclude that god isn't a violent, dishonest, power hungry, sexual-deviant being? Why are suprised that god had failed in every dispensation? Why should we have any confidence that this dispensation will turn out different? I am not interested in the games (tests) of the mormon god.

You would fit really well in the great and spacious building, mocking and laughing at the people who are trying to follow the path they think is correct. You really think you got it made don't you! Such hypocrisy. Christ does not discriminate and he doesn't have a corporation as His church. If you read 3 Nephi he defines what His church is. And it's not an organization that man has created. If you even read the Book of Mormon it's actually anti-Mormon. There's 0 Mormon doctrine found in the book.

@@Bob-fh3yk You perfectly reveal your extreme hatred, rebellious, lack of knowledge, perversion, deceitful, Spirit. Your restless Spirit will never end, why? because you refused to repent, from your personal sins. Our HEAVENLY FATHER & our beloved HOLY HEAVENLY MOTHER knows, your personal sins. I don't know, what your personal sins are; But, you need to humble yourself, with the contrite spirit, & than, our HEAVENLY PARENT'S will direct you for good, back to the TRUE CHURCH, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.

​@@VAATAUSILI4139 Excuse me. You're the one making accusations about people. "lacking knowledge, & rebelliousness". That alone shows you have no clue. I resent you telling me that I have a lack of knowledge or I'm being rebellious. Try to walk in my shoes for a mile before making remarks like that. I've been a super active member of the church. I defended the church more than you know. I discovered God and got to know Jesus more fully when I stopped caring about being "right" and started caring more about the truth! The LDS church is not true and Christ church is not an organization or a corporation. Again I encourage you to read 3 nephi. Jesus' own words tells you what His church is. Moroni saw our day and he saw that not one church was correct. He saw that they were all corrupt. If you actually read the Book of Mormon and stop thinking that the LDS church is exempt from corruption and repentance you might actually learn something. God condemned the church in Nauvoo because the members were wicked and didn't repent. The fullness of the priesthood was taken away! D&C 124: 28. The priesthood has yet to be restored in its fullness! You can be in denial all you want, that doesn't mean it's not true.

@@Bob-fh3yk You can't fool me, I know, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS is, the only TRUE CHURCH. My HEAVENLY FATHER and my beloved HOLY HEAVENLY MOTHER, manifest to me, personal revelations of the truthfulness of, THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, the restored CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, back on earth. You're just making a fool out of yourself.

@@VAATAUSILI4139 There are tons of people who have asked God in sincere prayer and wanted to know if the LDS church is true or not. Guess what? They got answer and it was a strong NO. Both answers can't be right. God answers prayers because he won't deny us from having a spiritual experience. They do NOT prove anything. The LDS church is NOT true. The ultimate source of truth is Christ. Before it was called the Church of Christ, but because God condemned it, they had to change the name to the LDS church. I don't really think you know, do you. Either you're trolling or you're super hot-headed. You have done nothing to defend anything I've commented on. If the LDS church is actually true. You should have no problem proving it, right? Since you're an active member you should have TONS of knowledge right?