@@lapiswake6583 you mean scrapped. Extinct means all members of a species (or locomotive class in this case) have no members such as the Dodo bird or LNER P2
@@QJ89 I like to think that the shyness and insecurity in the little time he had in the show was a result of him being austerity which in affect literally meant he was built on the cheap and even in real life history they didn’t expect the q1 to last till after the war so only a few years of working life
I love the Q1. It has that sort of "Quick, we need an 0-6-0 engine," slapped together, industrial look. I'm personally a big fan of that sort of look, so I like it!
@@SamsTrains I just got a board delivered today for a permanent train set and my dad said wanna get a new train with it I said hell yea and we ordered the Q1 because thanks to your vid I knew what it was called 😊🙏Thank you Edit:I'm only 13 so what you say about new blood is working
2:14 That black steam engine looks like Neville from Thomas And Friends and Warrick from Thomas and Friends Trainz adventures and i think that loco is not uggly is cool
Something interesting about the Q1's appearance aside is that Oliver Bulleid once proved how reliable it was by riding on the tender as it was pulling a passenger train, doing 70 MPH. *Backward.* Other than it being a bit of a rough rider and its cylinders popping out the front if it was overclocked, it was an extraordinary engine. When the big 4 merged, this thing ended up getting the power classification of 5F, meaning it was roughly as powerful as an LMS Black 5 and the most powerful 0-6-0 on British Rails ever built. Basically, this means Neville is as strong as Henry.
@@abloogywoogywoo Scotrail don't have any pacers these days as far as I'm aware (and didn't have many in the first place I think?). Isle of Mann railway is run by their own government, not the UK. Isle of Wight has the tunnel size restrictions that limit them to the old tube stock (which itself has just been updated to refitted 484s).
@@EForrest88 If "Transport" for Wales don't backtrack (no pun intended) this is fantastic news. I'll never forgive those units for making me throw up on the train as it bounces and lurches everywhere up the valleys.
Q1s were also known as coffee pots. As built Bulleid pacifics are gorgeous AND functional. They were designed that way to be able to use carriage washing plants
They did this one dirty with Thomas. (Q1) At least Neville's class worked properly, Thomas' class had too little capacity for fuel for longer runs, had a too long wheel base for tight curves and had weak brakes and wasn't built strong enough for heavier trains.
I actually love the appearance of the Beyer Garratt, 'cause it's so massive und just looks like it has all the power in the world. But i must admit i really like all of those 4-cylinder engines, like the Union Pacific class 4000 or the german BR 96
Now I know why Chris Eden-Green always bashed 'em. As someone not from the UK, I never fully understood the hate that the Pacers got, but I can see why.
17:15 THAT'S A 142! 141 was two leyland buses glued together 142 was still a leyland bus at heart 143 & 144 were inspired by leyland buses All of them also share design roots with the APT with the high speed freight vehicle.
You know you're doing something right when you have 112 likes and not one dislike. Throughout the last year or so this channel has been something I can always come back to for a nice bit of railway escapism, so thanks!
We're only just getting rid of the Class 142s down here in Devon, they were banned under disabled access regs, but had a reprieve under COVID to provide additional space and got rount the regs by pairing them with Class 150. Used to hate them but they're not too bad on welded track.
awww leave the Poor Q1 alone its not hurting anyone! personally i find it quite charming in a unique way and the fact its a freight engine means it wasnt meant to look pretty i guess.
G2A Not easy to steam, Pete Waterman is a good source on how to drive it. My mentor the much missed Harry Soucester (LNWR) Driver would drive these locos on the legendary triangle freights - Bescot (Walsall) - Sheffield - Manchester - Home. Powerful and efficient, this was the reason they lasted to the end of steam.
My opinions on the steam locomotives: Southern Railway Q1: Ugly, yet powerful Sentinel: Very cute LNER Garrett: Unusual but looks bad-butt in white (also, you drived it backwards) Southern Railway West Country Class: I'm in love G2A: Interesting Pacer: Good design, but hideous paint job
Spam Cans are not ugly and when you have travelled behind "Tangmere" flat out storming Wellington Bank at White Ball Somerset you would know why. Difficult to pull away from a standing start they took a lot of practice to stop slipping. Further into the sixties before final demise they broke100mph on several occasions Bournemouth to Waterloo! Well Done Sam still keeping our spirits up!
the pacer was made as a temporary replacement to older DMUs, therefore used many bus parts including the engine and were not meant to be used more than 20 years (with new 90s british DMUs) but after privatization, many were still in use and plans to get rid of them were dismissed. that is part of the reason why people hate them, is because they were made as cheap as possible and have bad suspension and poor seating as they were not meant to be a long term solution
Stirling Singles, SECR Waighnright D class, Gresley V2 Green Arrows for Steam And the DP1 for diesel .... Lion diesel would be interesting, but I think that its paintwork may make the model look unpainted !
The Pacers are essentially a Leyland metro bus on rail wheels. They were supposed to be a stop-gap measure until something better came along, but they've been jostling their passengers for decades. There's only a handful left in operation in Wales, mercifully due to be withdrawn in May 2021.
nnnooooooooo!!!! how could you put a beautiful bullied West Country/ Battle of Britain class in this list, they're my favourite and absolutely beautiful they're amazing. Also could you do a review on the newer bullied pacifics as the colour on hornby's newer ones seems to be much better and would be nice to see a more modern review on it as you haven't for a good few years now
The design of the Q1, West Country Class, and Garrett always fascinated me; whether I was first introduced to them through either real life (books) or in Thomas and Friends. :)
The Pacer family (classes 140, 141, 142, 143 & 144) were developed from an Austerity drive to fill the gap for the "80's", with an intended life of 20 years (actually over 40)... the basic mechanicals were British Leyland, the bodies on the 140, 141 and 142 were by Leyland National... if you find the LEV1 prototype, you can see the similarity to their buses. In Victoria (Australia) there were the "Walker Railmotors", with an intended life of 20 years, and they lasted until the closure of their lines... essentially the near identical 102Hp and 153Hp units and the larger 280Hp, the former being an "engine" and a "carriage" with a semi-permanent articulation, the later having the "engine" amidships between two "carriages"
I like the Q1s, I spotted eleven of them in the early '60s. I always liked the West Countries / Battle of Britains, and spotted a majority of them including 34067 Tangmere. Most people regard a high running plate as ugly, notably the 77000-77019 standard class, the 43000-43161 Ivatt Moguls (dubbed "Flying Pigs") and the two Black Fives built this way, 44686 and 44687.
An interesting observation: LNER also has a Q1 (I mean the Ivatt one inherited from GNR, not the Thompson Q1 tank) and it has a 0-8-0 wheel arrangement similar to the G2A. It looks quite unbalanced like the G2A, but overall it looks much better.
Most pacers have been fully withdrawn from service now. GWRs pacers had there last of service on 21/12/20 however a few are being preserved and I believe northern have gotten rid of most of there’s now aswell but again some are being preserved. Basically pacers are no more although I believe TFW still have some but not sure
I have say Q1 is my favourite to and I would love to see it on run again. The reason the Q1 like that cause of war time standard, but by god were they good efficient machines and at day efficiency better than looks.
I’ve tried three times now, and I can’t make it passed the first couple of minutes of the video. I love the look of the Q1... So pragmatic, rugged, and in proportion... it’s beyond my comprehension that anyone can dislike its look.
haha I didn't say I disliked it's look... it's one of my favourite classes! It's just generally agreed that they're ugly - for better or for worse! ;D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The West Country/BoB/Spam Cans in their original form fascinate me to no end. City of Wells was the loco that got me hooked on the class - now all I need is an unrebuilt one! I agree that it works in this video in some ways, but it is uniquely stunning simply because...it’s different and you wouldn’t be able to look away. Hard to disagree with the other choices though
I really like most of those locomotives, I like the industrial functionality and styling. Maybe they’re a little bit ugly, but maybe that’s my preference? I do not like the Pacers, I spent my childhood rattling around on them crammed in with football hooligans when I just wanted to go to the cinema at Horwich
Hi Sam, Great Video. The Q1. I saw these working in the early 60’s when I was able to gravitate to the Southern Region. Oh my God! could these locomotives pull. For an 0-6-0 they were really strong (the most powerful British 0-6-0). They were rated at 5F and were much more capable than that. Not surprising when the boiler design was similar to the Lord Nelsons! At only 90 tons they could work over most of the Southern Railways tracks. The looks belie the reality!
Not read all the comments but nearly all Pacers have been retired 'Up North' Where old trains seem to finish off their days, but that is another story. They ran quite smoothly on continually welded rail but gave a very bouncy ride on 60 foot rail sections. They were also very noisy at top speed. I loved my ride to school on Leyland and occasionally Sentinal buses in the 1950's and 60's. Though country lanes and villages with roads at times only wide enough for the bus. Only one accident in the five years I used them. A tribute to the skill of the drivers. These buses are now classed as 'Heritage' and attract thousands of people to vintage transport rallies. They are still sometimes used as Rail replacement Buses in Cumbria. Thanks for the memories.
That Pacer model is actually a Class 142, not a 144. Also, the 142 units (as well as the 143s and 144s) have all recently been retired due to lack of compliance with new disability legislation (at least, that's what I've heard). Northern's Pacers have been replaced by new CAF-built Class 195s, but I'm not sure what's replacing the Welsh 142s and Great Western 143s.
A fascinating production Sam, I think I prefer the term characterful rather than Ugly, it's all a matter of taste I suppose. A short story about the Sentinel, they have an upright boiler, which has to be coaled from the top. A young man working one on a preserved Railway in South Wales, singed his eye brows and eye lashes when he lifted the firebox cover to add coal. I thing it's these very different characteristics that gives us so much pleasure, as if they all looked similar, then what a boring world it would be....Bob.
Hi Sam. As a steam locomotives person, I find most diesel locomotives are bland with very little character. The pacer is an awful looking thing, but my award for the ugliest loco goes to the warship diesel. Great video as always. Cheers Chris.
Hmm, seeing as you've already done the Q1 I'll say the 15XX pannier tanks as they look half finished (in my opinion - I imagine the eaasier access made them much easier to maintain though).
i think all pacers are withdrawn now all northern 142s and 144s are retired and some already on heritage railways, some have been scrapped last year am not sure if there are any still left in south wales or devon but i dont think theyl be running for long if they are.
When I was a little kid my dad would take me on trains rids and for some unknown reason it was always a pacer, and because I couldn't see its wheels I always thought it had bogies so you can imagine my surprise when each unit had only 4 wheels.
Pacers were named after the prototype, a rail bus made by Leyland Pacer. The prototype was tested on a purpose built track but the test was unsuccessful due to a large amount of sabotage. It was never really proven but it was widely believed the local bus company had actually sabotage the track as they saw this new rail bus, with the ability to stop anywhere along the line for passengers, as a threat to their business.
My first model train just arrived. James is still in the box but I'll pick him up from mum's house in 2 hours. I'm so happy and thank you Sam for the reviews and everything.
I now know that the New South Wales Railways weren't the only place that had standard gauge Garrett locomotives. Like the LMS, they were ordered in to handle freight trains up steep grades, singlehandedly. Fascinating.
Because the shapes are so familiar, they are no longer ugly. Like the bulldog or the greyhound (squashed or stretched, where form fits function) that we have known for years - they are beautiful.
I love the videos but here is a list of things. 1. The pacers are gone. (for a few months) 2.The pacers are beautiful 3. That pacer is a class 142 (there are the class 141,142,143,144) 4. Can you get a Realtrack models class 156.
this is how I would generally describe each locomotive (not that they are bad but in the presence of this video) the Q1 looks like someone's first attempt at building a train in Minecraft the sentinel looks like a shed on wheels and on a track the Garratt looks like NASA trying to send a locomotive to space the West Country class looked like someone from the Texas Chainsaw massacre sawed off the front of the engine the G2A looked like a thief had stolen the front bogie and the Pacer is best described by Sam (a Bus on tracks) If there is anything more Ugly than these lot, it definitely has to be the 02/4 Tango A good selection here, Thanks for the video Sam
The Q1 is my favourite too. A real beast. Absolutely massive power-to-weight ratio. So much so in fact that the only downside to the Q1 was that all the power could never be put down on the track unless at speed. Too much regulator at low speeds and she'd burn holes in the rail from wheel slip.
If I was going for a Saturday's 'shedding' with my mates, we would often head straight to Feltham loco-shed where many of the Q1s were stabled. Due to the chimney they were known as flower-pots. Personally, I never saw them as ugly. Much of the time they were dirty which was a sign of how hard they were worked and the decrease in the number of people who worked in the industry. Austerity was the buzz-word of the forties and the fifties; I reckon Oliver Bulleid and his BoxPok wheels and his sectional boiler cladding was right on the money.
haha flower pots - I've never heard that one before, but they do look like them!! Yes I heard they were pretty dirty most of the time too :( Thanks for watching, Sam :)
There's a charm to the design to the Q1's in pursuit of a minimal design to save as much as possible made a locomotive that was able to preform its jobs efficiently.
I think that the Bullied locos are beautiful personally, because they’re wheels are nice looking and the box look for the Q1 is interesting, and The look of the West Country Class loco looks like it has hair on the sides they’re beautiful!
Living in Queensland Australia, the Garratts we have here are definitely very beautiful to look at in my eyes. Ours were also built by Beyer Peacock, and were built for streamlining in a way as well.
@@SamsTrains Queensland Garratt for you to decide. : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_LdmKiuwipg.html Maybe too much blow down steam , but being careful to blow any water out of the steam circuit.
What I find odd about the G2A is not the wheel arrangement. 0-8-0s were not uncommon in the US. What I find weird is that it is an inside cylinder 0-8-0, so there is a huge front overhang where the cylinders would be (like the Raven Q6 or USRA 0-8-0). I have the B-mann G2A in LMS black. It's a pretty nice model and not horribly expensive.
You think you've seen them all? You haven't seen the Talgo Series 1 yet. As a side note, a character from Thomas & Friends named Neville, is based on Southern Railway Q1 No. C10, or BR No. 33010.
That Q1 is BEAUTIFUL, OVB at his best when times were hard. The same can be said for the Merchant/BOB classes, they did sterling work given the circumstances
-the Bullied airsmoothed pacific was brilliant. just run it through the carriage washer. 3 cylinder and 4 cylinder designs all-proved the extra complexity of cranked axles and convoluted valve gear was tried by all the big 4 and all proved that a well designed outside cylinder with outside valve gear , gave little away in performance and only a smidgen in efficiency and were far easier to maintain and service so that clawed back the lifetime cost and gave higher availability chain driven valve gear was a NO, but thermal siphons to shift cooler water to the fireboxbox improved steaming and made firing easierand I love thelook of them both. the rebuilds looked goo in their own way butitwas stil aesthetic desecration
For me personally the ugliest looking locomotive is the LMS streamlined coronation especially when they where painted in wartime black as that makes them look a piece of uncut black pudding
One of my favorite engines on sodor is Neville and the Q1 is the same engine so the Q1 is quite Beautiful and also the west county class is a special engine it had a very bad wheel slip problem and it’s also a sodor named Rebecca one of the most hated engines cuz she replaced a old and favorite engine Henry
Watching this video, if you look at the Bullied Q1 it looks as if your fireman side footsteps on the front of the loco has been bent upwards.... might want to fix that!
I disagree with the Q1 and the West Country. My favourite locomotive in my fleet is Blackmoor Vale. I also like the G2a I think you should've put in the A2/2.
Probably the Sentinel model is made to run that slowly, the real thing wasn't quicker than 20 mph at best and were made to work in works sidings and make use of a very small boiler and a small engine which drove the wheels via chains. Having a small sprocket on the engine axle and bigger sprockets on the wheel axles, torque was increased, but reduced the rpm's to the axles at the same time.
Yeah that's right, but the problem is the model didn't run that way when it was new... if it did, I wouldn't have commented ;) Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I actually bought a Hornby Q1 a wee while ago, they're ugly but nice at the same time aren't they 😂 I canna mind do the models have sprung buffers or are they fixed in place, been a long while since I got mine out and had a look at it.
The Q1 was Neville on Thomas and Friends, on the show as I remember his charachter was always drunk, but I never understood how he could have been (being a locomotive after all)
Even though the Q1 looks ugly and what the Thomas narrator says “shaped like a diesel”, it’s still an impressive steam locomotive and a very powerful one too! I heard that it’s the strongest 0-6-0 locomotive because of the 5F rating! I also seen this locomotive in Thomas & Friends which is the character Neville. I wish he appears more often in the television series, but I doubt it because of Season 25.
The q1 in called Neville in the Thomas and friends series, but he only appeared in the old model one (not cgi). I do not think she is ugly at all. Like that other person who commented that the engines are unique, I think the q1 is too!
