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Britain Was Not Built on Slavery, Colonialism Just Benefitted a Handful of Elites: Kristian Niemietz 

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NTD’s Lee Hall sits down with Kristian Niemietz, Editorial Director at the Institute of Economic Affairs. Kristian's new book presents empirical evidence that the British Empire was not very profitable. He says the idea that Britain’s success was built on colonialism and the slave trade does not stand up to scrutiny.

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@jumblestiltskin1365
@jumblestiltskin1365 20 дней назад
The man speaks truth. The vastest majority of people in the UK lived very modest, difficult lives doing work that was little different from slavery in itself. Some of this seems common sense to me without needing any economic training.
@sizzle119
@sizzle119 19 дней назад
Yea. And your lords were reaping the benefits of plundering $30+ TRILLION from India alone. While screwing over their own people in modern day serfdom. Or people like Churchill actively seeking to shoot union labor and welsh miners to keep them in check and in their place.
@neolithictransitrevolution427
@neolithictransitrevolution427 7 дней назад
I wouldn't go so far as to compare it with slavery in the America, but certainly there have been cases of slavery that are comparable
@dave4deputyZX
@dave4deputyZX 20 дней назад
One of the benefits of having an Empire was that they could force other nations to open their markets to british goods. And they could forcibly repress the industries in the colonies so that they couldnt compete; for example by violently crushing Indian handlooms. Also they got a continuous supply of cheap (or stolen) raw materials to power the British economy.
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 10 дней назад
That is true of empire in general, and especially (for Britain) in India. However, it does not involve slavery, that is, the sale and transportation of actual slaves. We ned to separate slavery from empire. One of the tools of the 'awokened' is precisely to conflate the two and so add moral force to an anti-imperialist argument that is not valid.
@dave4deputyZX
@dave4deputyZX 10 дней назад
@@fredneecher1746 Slavery is bad. Empire is also bad. Britain left India poor and underdeveloped, after 2 centuries of rule. Britain's imposition of laissez faire, Britain-first policies contributed to tens of millions of famine deaths in India, and their encouragement of monoculture led to the irish famine during which they insisted on exporting food while the irish population starved. Then there's other European empires like the Belgians who killed 10 million congolese. Imperialism carved much of the world up arbitrarily into unsustainable post-colonial states that had no links to national, ethnic, religious or linguistic boundaries and many countries are still struggling with civil wars and internal divisions because of this. The world's economic structure is still based on colonialism, with many non-western countries locked into a primary export led model of production that has impeded their ability to develop. Sure, the Europeans weren't the only people to have Empires, so we shouldn't see this as a "white guilt" issue. But generally western imperialism is the only one where you'll still find ahistoric apologetics for from supposedly respectable people.
@neolithictransitrevolution427
@neolithictransitrevolution427 7 дней назад
​@@dave4deputyZX firstly, I'd suggest Britain robbed Bangladesh, or Bangal at the time, far more than India, and likewise the millions of famine deaths were also chiefly in Bangal. India as in the current nation may well have been benefited economicly, although most of that to came from Bangladesh. Secondly, I don't think you find any guilt or remorse for Persians, Arabs, Turks, the Chinese, certainly not Japan. Third, Ireland greatly reduced exports during the potatoe famine, and the regions actually undergoing famine did not keep exporting. That's no a defense of the plantations of Ireland but this concept is greatly exaggerated.
@blueeyes402
@blueeyes402 20 дней назад
They made enough during the Irish famine though hey???
@johnwright9372
@johnwright9372 20 дней назад
Who did? Not the working class Brits who were not exactly having an easy time of it.
@jumblestiltskin1365
@jumblestiltskin1365 20 дней назад
Linked to this. An interesting video on the NCF forum where Rafe Heydel-Mankoo was put against Femi Nylander over the issue of Repatriation payments regarding slavery times. Nylander makes the usual points about Britains wealth from slavery. That the nation and society as a whole became wealthy from it. When Rafe puts the point across that they bought the slaves from black slave masters who became rich from the trade, Nylanders reply is interesting. He agrees that INDIVIDUALS in west Africa did become rich and that perhaps their ancestors estates could be sought out. So there is the point. When it comes to BRITAIN. The NATION must pay (via taxations). When it comes to Africa its INDIVIDUALS that should be sought out. At the time i wish someone had pointer out the distinction being made.
@thedogman6910
@thedogman6910 19 дней назад
I’m currently writing my dissertation on how we perceive the Empire, I don’t think anybody’s arguing that the Empire’s made the Everyman wealthy, the majority of people would agree that the elites are the ones to benefit the most. But there lies the issue, the UK (at least with regards to governance) is an extremely elitist society. Those same people/ families who profited through colonialism and slavery are the ones who still hold power today (old money). I think the state of current affairs are only highlighting the inequalities in society. Very interesting video keep it up lads
@mateobravo9212
@mateobravo9212 20 дней назад
Cost benefit analyses of imperial pasts are sure coming home to roost now in all of Europe .....
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 10 дней назад
Those few European nations that has empires.
@dancingdoormanable
@dancingdoormanable 19 дней назад
The British Empire wasn't great for the economy directly, but it did stop dragged out slugfest with France in Europe and export it abroad. Not having the English and France countryside destroyed every few years made it possible to invest in the economy otherwise there was no point. According to history professor Roy Casagranda industrialization, by having specialized factories, started between 700 and 800 in the Middle East, because it was relatively stable and developed. The steam engine was a game changer for industry, but with industry alone the population could have been much richer then just farming. The Empire was inherited and in part similar to the Vikings. The civilized Norsemen stayed home, the adventures traded and the violent raided. We tend to forget our current system still has these elements. The adventures are startup founders or corporate climbers and the violent become (soccer) hooligans or do extreme sports. To see the how Europeans impressed the world, watch an US American watch a video about the Ultras. The US sees more then it's share of violence, but the sheer shock and awe about the semi organized aggression is something to behold. That same reaction would have been the same for a medieval rural community in England, France, India or the West Indies. The Empire just moved those elements to the edge of the playground.
@dominicalston5991
@dominicalston5991 20 дней назад
But those few people who benefited directly invested in state of the art technologies that directly powered the Industrial Revolution. Failed to mention that bit - totally reductive view of wealth transfer
@ms-jl6dl
@ms-jl6dl 19 дней назад
And those few that got rich in Africa by selling slaves (or gold,diamonds,wood,coal,oil) didn't. So we're back to square one - some countries are better than the other.
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 10 дней назад
Did they? Or did they put their money into large estates and big houses? Much of it went into funding unprofitable institutions such as orphanages and hospitals. Most of the financing of the early Industrial Revolution came from small investments by people lower down the pecking order. The investment in later technologies came mainly from profits in that earlier industry. Don't forget that while the IR was happening, the government was spending quite a bit of money on ending the African slave trade.
@predragstrbac737
@predragstrbac737 18 дней назад
This is a joke. Sometime ago experts claimed that slavery wasn't competitive
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 10 дней назад
Compared to what? It certainly is uncompetitive against free market labour, which was the main driver, after the early moral crusade, for ending slavery.
@antoniopacelli
@antoniopacelli 20 дней назад
0:40 ....and didn't benefitted the Commonwealth. Commonwealth is an Upgraded Version of The Company... With The Rest of Christianity is an Upgraded Version of The Conglomerate. Think Nations, not Tribes. Think Righteousness, not the form of your Cross. ["Think" is already a Disproportionate Request for the Problem we Face I acknowledge that]
@kma3647
@kma3647 20 дней назад
5:00 - "redistribution of wealth to the rich" - disagree here. The early 1800s weren't exactly known for having a thriving middle class in Britain. The taxes were paid overwhelmingly by those who had money and land worth taxing. So when Britain did a noble, honorable, and decent thing by ending slavery and literally buying the freedom of all enslaved people, it was the wealthy who paid for it. The advantage of doing this is that it ended the practice immediately. Most other nations banned the trade, but did not emancipate slave for decades, relying on their owners to do it, typically when they passed away. To have the balls to argue that this was a bad thing is a rather perverse joke, honestly, especially from a man who purports to study economics and should know where Britain got its revenue at the time.
@neolithictransitrevolution427
@neolithictransitrevolution427 7 дней назад
I believe a lot of British revenue was through tariffs, which would effect the average. But I think it's somewhat fair to say it transfered from the nobility.
@EnglishAbundance
@EnglishAbundance 20 дней назад
This is true. But, blame those at the top for the widespread belief that this or that country as a whole benefitted from colonialism. Invariably, we tend to blame other equally powerless people, and those who benefitted from colonialism and have promoted falsehoods about it, then happily jump on the ‘blame the third world’ or ‘woke’ bandwagon. In the end, they always evade accountability.
@mazimazu8122
@mazimazu8122 13 дней назад
Not true
@mirceahotaransb
@mirceahotaransb 17 дней назад
Yes, analytically speaking, great explanation. perfectly true. How about the side effects of it: destroying a whole continent (economically speaking) in order to remake it as a viable colony (supplier of cheap raw material) ? It was a bad idea even for the UK, but it was way worse for the countries on the receiving end of colonialism. To be fair, the UK was not the worst one, but it still sounds like some excuse where none can ever suffice.... Not that any apology will ever be given by "proud" colonial powers of the past: Belgium, Japan, Imperial Germany, France, UK, etc. (roughly in that order, based on my recollection, of genocidal tendencies).
@fredneecher1746
@fredneecher1746 10 дней назад
I think you missed the point he made near the end that claiming slavery and empire were not profitable is not an argument in favour of those things.
@vsssa1845
@vsssa1845 20 дней назад
too reductive and simple, not an ounce of nuance. probably pandering to revisionists.
@jjreddick377
@jjreddick377 18 дней назад
This is objectively incorrect
@anujp7554
@anujp7554 19 дней назад
Are you out of your mind
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