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The British CVs are a little different. Some may say mediocre, and I wouldn't necessarily argue with it. Hermes is bad, Furious is pretty good, and Implacable -- the main feature of this video -- is not fantastic. But these CVs are about stacking damage over time, not big alpha. Furthermore, they remain as effective at countering DDs as any other CV. So I don't think they need buffs, and I explain in detail in the video.
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@Notthecobracommander
@Notthecobracommander 2 года назад
I like the carpet bombs makes hitting a destroyer much easier than with 2 bombs. I would like to see more aircraft carrier commanders or more variation with skills between them like brawler or accuracy builds for battleships.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
It can be kind of difficult to miss with the bombs if you line them up right, yeah. But I don’t know what variations in builds you could really have for CVs. The commander skills for CVs seem to be a lot more universal and less diverse than the surface ship ones, but I’m not sure I could think of a way to make them more diverse.
@Notthecobracommander
@Notthecobracommander 2 года назад
@@Xarkun One idea would be less dispersion of the bombs or greater fire chance vs greater penetration like cruisers.
@kyledreger4254
@kyledreger4254 2 года назад
You can't justify a 35 kt torp speed Lexington has 46kt, shokaku 50kt, parseval has 55kt. They should bump the speed to 40kts. 45kts max but a 40kt torp speed would be good balance.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Sure you can. Shokaku, Lextington, Parseval all have torps which spread out and thus make it trickier relative to implacable to land all torps. Implacable gets a reticule that gives its torps pinpoint accuracy and allows you to achieve a 100% hit ratio every time so long as you perform the drop correctly. Relative to Implacable, it is, to some degree or another, more difficult to achieve the same in the other 3. And in any case the torps are clearly there to play second-fiddle to the bombs with their fire-starting ability, so I really don't think it matters much that they're slow and hit like pillows. That's a balancing factor for how ridiculously easy it is to land them on BBs and even some cruisers. And you can often find yourself able to drop a single BB at least 3 times with 6 torpedoes that will all hit if the BB is alone and especially if it's alone and has taken damage to its AA from HE shells. Pretty sure I had a moment like that in Implacable a couple streams ago. Besides, it's clearly the bombs that are the main armament of these CVs, and the torpedoes are more secondary.
@kyledreger4254
@kyledreger4254 2 года назад
@@Xarkun just because the torps are second fiddle to the bombs, and the reticule aiming don't mean jack for dds and majority of cruisers, when you get match's where the enemy is working together you won't be able to single out lone ships. Either buff the torp plane speed or buff the torp speed themselves. When I play I'm always against platoons. Bbs always stay near aa cruiser's or another aa bb like the Iowa class. Adding 5kts to the torpedos or the torpedo plane would be perfect balance.
@kyledreger4254
@kyledreger4254 2 года назад
10:58 these ships are fundamentally unfare there for get good. From 10min mark to 11 and a half you try saying because they have avantages surface ships don't have carriers should not be buffed at all. If a carrier hides in the back it will have a bad game. Mostly do to the amount of time wasted getting to the Target and back. A good carrier knows how far they can push. Once spotted they are doomed.
@kriegger4743
@kriegger4743 2 года назад
Yeah, the torpedoes suck, they don't have to be on par with the other carriers but 40kt speed would definitely be a good spot for them
@diabetichamm3776
@diabetichamm3776 2 года назад
Love when people say linrs need buffed. Granted the Hermes is by far the worse cv at the tier but to and up they get alot better. I played the Russian dds before the whole line was buffed and it still is my highest damage in a dd
@chaosacsend9653
@chaosacsend9653 2 года назад
Unfortunately it doesn't matter what you say, bad CV players will complain for buffs either way because they don't know why it only has two torps or why they can't hit targets with the bombs. Bad players make good ships better I suppose.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Well I hope what I say matters in the sense that maybe people were approaching these CVs wrong and now they’ll set out to stack DOTs as I advised and perhaps feel more satisfied with the results. Or they’ll shut down DDs and help their team actually win.
@Scot-land
@Scot-land 2 года назад
As would all of you if it was the ship or ships you love
@bulldog2000
@bulldog2000 2 года назад
I don't believe there's anything wrong with the CV though I do believe the way it drops combined with RNG the bombs aren't accurate compared to Lexington your lucky if you land 1 on dds
@DEATHRAGE157
@DEATHRAGE157 2 года назад
They are one of the strongest carriers, not because of the damage, but for their hit probability, i got the world damage record on the hermes 95k damage, and im going to to go for the record on every British carrier for sure
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
I wish you luck. Show them How It’s Done 😁
@hex3713
@hex3713 2 года назад
There is only two potential buffet ideas I could even be considered for the implacable torpedo speed and may be a slight adjustment to the aircraft health the damage doesn't need adjusted no does fire chance
@Mr-Hakim
@Mr-Hakim 2 года назад
Shoukaku is undeniably worthless. The worse DBs and very underwhelming “gimmick” TBs. There is a reason why you barely see any of those…
@ARCHANGELJAMESN7
@ARCHANGELJAMESN7 2 года назад
I think if wargaming where to buff carriers at all is giving them spotting damage because it still shocking to see so many carrier players not supporting there teams and spotting enemy threats for your team and I still don't understand why so many carriers so hard and end up dying very early and it just hurt the team. But overall I do agree carriers are fine the way they are people just need to learn and practice more.
@kevinkennedy3643
@kevinkennedy3643 2 года назад
Agree except the Hermes. That ship is terrible. Furious seems awesome though
@splatoonistproductions5345
@splatoonistproductions5345 Год назад
The issue I always had with implacable was its low number of aircraft for reserves, I think when it was released for legends it was 12 for total each? Now I think it’s 15 or something I’m not sure if it still is I had to get rid of my implacable sadly, but my only gripes bout that ship was its low number of craft and its really slow restoration time, everything else imo is decent tho. I would’ve said give the restoration time a slight decrease and even out the planes to 16 total each.
@CallsItLikeISeizeIts
@CallsItLikeISeizeIts 2 года назад
5 Jan 1943: USS (CC) Helena fires 2 salvos of 5” w/Proximity Fuzing and shoots down IJN dive bomber in first US Combat test. May 1945: USS (DD) Evans & Hadley are attacked by over 150 Kamikazes off the coast of Okinawa. All were shot down with only pieces of 6 A/C actually hitting the ships. What’s the point? Wanna balance the game? Screw the CV’s, Wargaming needs to add Proximity Fuzing to the AA suites. Then we’ll see what’s what. Bring it on you Fly Bags! Same applies to Subs, add Depth Charges and improve Sonar suites and game on sardines, you’re what’s for lunch!
@BonnerBono
@BonnerBono 2 года назад
I have had some brilliant games in the Furious, a few easily 110k+ damage. I'm a British line main so I am bias, but if i had to choose between the Weser and Furious it would be the latter easily. I wouldn't say the damage output needs buffing, however the plane's are as you say rather squishy to say they are supposed to be tougher than their German counterparts. The torps aren't that difficult to use, I've hit a fair few Destroyers with them. I must be lucky with floods as I seem to inflict them ok.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Maybe it’s just the Implacable with the floods. By the time I played these games I had more or less abandoned seriously trying to get floods with the torps and just used them if I couldn’t immediately send out the bombers or if I felt it was an appropriate time to hit a BB or cruiser.
@kriegger4743
@kriegger4743 2 года назад
Weser was just murdered by the nerfs the German carriers got a couple months ago? I forgot when exactly. Rhein and the Parseval are monsters at their tiers but Weser is ok. Furious > Weser 1000%
@donbrooker3837
@donbrooker3837 2 года назад
Right on the money Xarkun! We don't need no stinkin' carriers and if we have to have them, they don't need to be buffed! Damn it!
@donbrooker3837
@donbrooker3837 2 года назад
@Simon Bolduc I understand the role carriers have played in combat. Don't care. This is a game loosely based on historical ships of the WWI, WWII era and I would prefer there were no carriers in the game. My opinion. Surface Combatants, not subs, not aircraft carriers. Thank you
@donbrooker3837
@donbrooker3837 2 года назад
@Simon Bolduc I disagree. Vast majority of players I hear from do not like the addition of carriers.
@donbrooker3837
@donbrooker3837 2 года назад
@Simon Bolduc thanks for your opinion. I appreciate your point of view. I don't remember complaining about carriers. I have stated I don't like them and they do not need to be buffed. I play the game, there are carriers in the game. Carry On, Turn the Tide.
@matthewhurst6099
@matthewhurst6099 2 года назад
Never liked playing cvs but for spotting dds and harrasing crusiers they can be a match winner. The pc versions are an example of careful what you wish for.
@randychang9733
@randychang9733 2 года назад
lesson: implacable bombs are totally placable
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Haaaa
@r.a.panimefan2109
@r.a.panimefan2109 2 года назад
The only buff I wish carrier's had is better secondary. That way they have solid defense and so taking the secondary buffs would be viable. Cuase if a destroyer gets within 8km your pretty well screwed. Other than that carriers are awesome I really like these British carpet bombs my first game in furious netted me close to 80k of dmg. Other than that perhaps rocket planes so we could reliable tear up destroyers. Perhaps making the rockets more inaccurate the further u r could balance things. Because they can be to powerful.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Do you not think the HE bombs are reliable enough vs DDs?
@Mr-Hakim
@Mr-Hakim 2 года назад
@@Xarkun Any good DD that is solely focused on the CV will probably dodge most of your bombs, in all honesty.
@bulldog2000
@bulldog2000 2 года назад
Though on a side note I question why the brits have longest regen
@romelvasquez3957
@romelvasquez3957 2 года назад
I think the carriers depends more in the machtmaking to decide how to play the macht
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Well, sure. Like in the clips from the first match there were a lot of DDs and I did not much damage but very impactful damage on the DDs and thus got high xp. In the longer game there were zero DDs so I was able to do double the damage but not get as much xp since countering the DDs is more important than lighting BBs on fires and such. Certainly you must react accordingly to the match making
@greberwats5492
@greberwats5492 2 года назад
The tier III, Hermes is terrible one.
@vysearcadia522
@vysearcadia522 2 года назад
I’ve watched a fair bit of your vids, and noticed the same CV prejudice in all of your vids on them, especially after multiple times saying that it’s not your main lines nor your cup of tea. Yet easily will give an opinion about those that say whether a ship or carrier that needs a buff that is not your particular favorite, just doesn’t need one and they need to “get gud”. The Lexington is by far the best carrier in the game, I usually think the Parseval is a solid second with Shokaku being a very close contender to the Parseval. Ofcourse, Russian Carriers just came out and I feel will give the Lexington a run for it’s money. But the Implacable is by far the weakest and it’s precisely because you need to rely on DoT. In a perfect game, your teammates will annihilate what you spot long before any of your DoTs fully cycle. If your opponents are playing perfect AA, you won’t get that chance for a swing around second fire/flood on their damage con. and if you do return flights to do so, your plane count will be quite low awaiting restoration. I’m not saying it’s not possible to get high damage in an Implacable game, it’s just that there are better carriers for the job. But, If I’m in an Implacable, the first thing I check is my team roster looking for who my firestarters are. Whoever they target is likely going to damage con. The second thing I check is opponent roster for AA and fighter capabilities so I know who my prime targets are and who I want to avoid unless last resort. This sort of pre-planning makes Implacable an expert difficulty carrier displaced from the other nations. So “get gud” at understanding real balance. So let’s check some real statistical facts: I’m just going to go by WoW legends builds wiki for total highest damage in a match: A. Parseval: 240k Shokaku: 221k Lexington: 214k Implacable: 184k Podeba: No Record By this alone, Implacable appears behind the rest. You know, this equally reminds me of Trump Haters vs Trump Supporters. So radically for or against with barely any actual factual statistics and more emotionally discharged views and opinions on both sides of the coin.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
I appreciate the research, but none of this means the Implacable needs a buff. Some ships are allowed to be mediocre damage dealers in comparison to alternatives. That’s true for many surface ships, so why not for CVs? And as far as “getting gud” at understanding “real balance” - if we want *real balance*, then CVs should be removed from the game. They play outside of the mechanics that surface ships play with, and in my mind they’re incompatible.
@elliottgbadehan4220
@elliottgbadehan4220 2 года назад
I just don't like CVs in general.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
I sympathize with that perspective
@Captainigloo69
@Captainigloo69 2 года назад
When the aircraft carriers were presented, WG said that the aircraft carriers would not do much damage. The people who complain that they don't do any damage with aircraft carriers should just learn and understand the game. These are the same people who only attack battleships with their aircraft carriers and then complain about why they keep losing.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
I feel like I made a similar point in the video…
@KevMcA85
@KevMcA85 2 года назад
The torp speed needs improvement as does the damage
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Nah. They're allowed to have mediocre torp alpha and speed. The reticule makes it easy to land 100% of dropped torps. You'll notice in this game that every single torp drop that I *didn't* set up or aim poorly resulted in both torps hitting -- not a lot of floods because it can be tricky to get them not to hit the torpedo protection consistently, but with the ability to accurately hit on this kind of level, they do not require buffs and they're clearly the supplemental armament anyway. The bombs are legion and they start fires, so you mostly rely on them to do that and use the torps to fill in the gaps.
@kyledreger4254
@kyledreger4254 2 года назад
You can't justify a 35 kt torp speed Lexington has 46kt, shokaku 50kt, parseval has 55kt. They should bump the speed to 40kts. 45kts max but a 40kt torp speed would be good balance.
@kriegger4743
@kriegger4743 2 года назад
@@Xarkun Torp damage is fine, but the speed is just horrendous. Feel like a last-ditch weapon when your bombers are gone
@TheLayedChannel
@TheLayedChannel 2 года назад
Exactly! The CVs don't need a buff, because their main purpose isn't even to deal huge amounts of damage, unfortunately, like someone already said in the comments, people will always complain and buffs will probably come soon.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
I hope they don’t. The British CVs are fine. The people need to understand that the goal of the cv is first to harass and get rid of the DDs, like I did in the starting clips of the vid where I got 50k damage and 2000 XP
@lujolonewolf
@lujolonewolf 2 года назад
All of you are nuts, CVs are multi role, don’t tell me that a 23 mil carrier is used for spotting…whoever does that is not helping anyone. Equipped with cluster bombs and torps for a reason.
@azoverdosed
@azoverdosed 2 года назад
I know right
@WyGSplitter
@WyGSplitter 2 года назад
Well said
@Vlad7six0
@Vlad7six0 2 года назад
Awesome video Xarkun 👍, PS, you have a sexy voice 😍
@spiral7892
@spiral7892 2 года назад
Great video Xarkun. I agree with many of your points. I think we can all agree however that the Hermes sucks major 🍆. Easily one of the worst ships in the game and should definitely be skipped if you are able to do so. Having an extra plane on an attack run makes all the difference.
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
Yeah. Hermes does suck. But it’s bombs still light fires and it seems to me the bombs are the bread and butter of the line. The single air dropped torp at T3 on Hermes kind of suggest that. Although, to be fair, all the T3 CVs seem to suck
@spiral7892
@spiral7892 2 года назад
@@Xarkun I would agree, I’m really only concerned with lighting fires in Hermes since the damage is so pitiful. Just very boring to play and I don’t have Furious. I’m not impressed with any of the T3 CVs. Just a way for people to burn GXP to me. If I was forced to pick one to play I’d probably go with Rhein.
@gavin9719
@gavin9719 Год назад
Just keep in in warships and not warplanes or submarines,it loses interest quite honest .
@petervankas1352
@petervankas1352 2 года назад
Unfortunately your wrong only 2 torpedos and the bombs are shit
@Xarkun
@Xarkun 2 года назад
I mean feel free to think so. I acknowledge the alpha is trash, but the bombs are legion and the fire chance is quite good, so you rely on them to start fires. The torps are slow the the reticule makes it very easy to get 100% hit rate on BBs and even cruisers if you're practiced enough. You'll have seen in the video that every torp drop I landed resulted in a 100% hit ratio on both torps unless I screwed up the drop, which I did on a couple of occasions. So with accuracy like that on the torps and the ability to set fires with the bombs, it's a matter of, you know -- balance -- that the alpha strikes are trash. So I don't know why people complain. I think we should all be satisfied that WG has attempted to balance these CVs, and I think we ought to stop complaining that CVs don't do enough Big Damage when they already enjoy so so so many unfair advantages over all the other classes anyway. :D
@guerroi4401
@guerroi4401 2 года назад
Maybe the damage on the bombs but the amount of fires they put out is annoying
@chaosacsend9653
@chaosacsend9653 2 года назад
There is only two torps because there very accurate and second I get set in fire twice everytime a competent cv player decides to drop me.
@spiral7892
@spiral7892 2 года назад
*you’re
@Scot-land
@Scot-land 2 года назад
You content creators are all the same 24 faced
@soldierxgaming8753
@soldierxgaming8753 2 года назад
Cvs dont belong in this game this is a ship game not a plane game 😤 its ridiculous how many low/mid teir games have cvs in games low teir shouldn't be facing cv as aa sucks at this teir
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