British engineer who ACCIDENTALLY TOOK OFF in a fighter jet: Taffy Holden's Lightning Flight 

Dan the gods were with him

@@mattred1200 i worked at bae systems at samlesbury we had lightning as a gate guardian One day a lightining came over to do a display when it switched on after burners it was gone a plane beyond its time How the guy survived was a miracle the gods were with him Whatch for bae new plane in development stage called the tempest its a stealth jet 2 engines yeah f35 is ok But 1 engine ok vectored thrust but if discovered its no good in a dog fight but It wasnt built as air superiority fighter it was built for penetrating behind enemy lines without being discovered I like military tech when i started in 87 we still had Canberra bombers coming in for refurbishment i used to go down to ŕunway to watch them take off going back to raf Matt it was so strange they Looked so slow going down the runway first time i thought as it neared end of Runway bloody hell hurry up Then it just glided up and away i honestly thought it would not make it I used to build models My 2 favs 1 heìnkel and 2 all time fav lancàster Have good day

I've read the book several times and am amazed how he survived, but I suppose when staring death in the face the survival instinct takes over. I believe Taff was at Halton whilst I was there during my apprenticeship '75 to '78 and in fact it was he that rumbled our planned pass-out stunt of putting a Gnat in Trafalgar Square in London. We were threatened that if ANYTHING happened, we would remain at Halton and not leave to join our new units after training. Needless to say, we conceded defeat, but our stunt of "relocating" the Whirlwind helicopter onto the Groves-Henderson parade square to celebrate our first year at Halton (1st April 1976) still lives on in infamy😊

Why is there a French flag on it..

@@alanandconnielast It's an RAF 'fin flash', used to help identify it as an RAF plane (along with the roundels in the same colour on the wings and fuselage).

WW1 technology in a 1966 jet.

@UC-YoIPdQPiT4YnDVrYQNXvw no shit Sherlock

Respect to highest degree...hats off

No oxygen mask!

@@redlioness6627 it just became a convertible, a supersonic convertible

Yeah his superiors were more likely to be in trouble than him.

I would have probably abandoned the airfield after a minute and tried to land on the nearest cornfield or river, lol.

I felt like the story wasn't complete without that!

Technicians *did* find the fault eventually. Early EE Lightnings were fitted with some sort of a cut-out switch (don't know exactly what it was) which was deleted later on. On XM135, the switch had been removed, but the wiring was left in and uninsulated. An occasional short-circuit caused the fault apparently .

@@stephenphillip5656 This is the answer I came looking for, thanks!

That was best one!

underrated comment 👍 nice word play ... very relevant

At least it reheated his career and didn’t put the brakes on it..

And this is why any engineer should have mandatory practical experience in the field. How things go in paper and in real world are two different things and how ever much you draw it on paper, it wont magically come so. Welder buddy of mine was once welding frame work for full glass front building with rather peculiar shape. Engineer come to site inspection and started to whine that these welds are inefficient! buddy jokingly: Tag welds hold one ton and flux another, so it will hold. Engineer puffs, marches to his car, coming back with some welding reading material or toilet paper hoe ever you see it, starting to read how such little welds only hold this and this much and that flux hold barely nothing. Buddy: Sir engineer, how about you fuck right off and come back when we have finished, since its impossible to weld this framing as your drawings state. If done so, whole thing will pull into high heaven and not a single window will fit into openings. Engineer complained to management that explained the engineer what tag welds are and how metal distorts when welded and building was finished as it should be. Engineer was not seen on site during working hours after that....

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(or "Nothing special, I'll just need a new pair of pants...")

" Oh darling, that's bad, here is your dinner,"

Very british

Would you like a cup of tea dear?

A meeting without coffee, in British armed forces speak ;). When you are due a bollocking, they do not give you the luxury of coffee.

Sus

You saw history in the making!

Question, how many people saw taffy flying around to land the stubborn plane? 😅 I found this like "the plane disagree to be part of military so he troll the maintenance to keep him away and survive to placed in museum 😂"

"thoroughly, without totaling it, as you "professionals" do it all so often"

Hahaha

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That was first feeling when I check this :p Like a car..

@@majstealth The testing is normaly done by the most experienced pilots that are called "test pilots", they know the handling of the plane so well that they can detect if there is anything wrong with the plane and also have more chance to land it safely if something is wrong... my father totalled plenty of aircrafts but not by crashing them, he just reported after the test flight that the handling of the aircraft is unaceptable to allow other pilots fly this aircraft in its curent condition -> as the aircraft got too much hours in the air and the vibrations were to severe-> and that was after the engineers "repaired" the aircraft...

The early Lightnings had a habit of losing canopies in flight. One of the EE test pilots had a canopy come off the aircraft while at supersonic speed.

LOL.

Not just Lightnings. I live near Soesterberg AB Netherlands where an American F-15 squadron was stationed long time ago. And once an F-15 lost the canopy on take off. The pilot could land it without further incidents but i guess one of the maintenance guys had a very bad day...

@@richardvernon317 😵 how did that end?

No. Not the fastest cab, but (manually) driving a cab the fastest. I'm pretty sure that the title for fastest cab goes to Elon Musk's red Tesla that left Earth orbit at a much higher speed!

If I were Taffy, I’d have begun training to become a pilot. That landing was a sign for something.

He was a cool cat

If I were that curator I'd be concerned if those weren't already done years ago!

@@MGSLurmey -99 days without accidental XM135 liftoff!- 00 days without accidental XM135 liftoff!

@@CanalTremocos Battlestar Galactica and her fighters greet

He'd still find a way to get it in the air somehow

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Haha under rated comment ✌🏻

I work as a controls tech/programmer. In my experience, things are quite the opposite

@@foolapprentice3321 Others do your job?

@@Joaking91 others do engineers' jobs

@@foolapprentice3321 I guess that if you're a good worker you end up doing other people's jobs regardless. Lots of lazy mofos around.

He did damage the parachute mechanism I think, but that's better than what I might've done.

Awesome.

May we press you for an anecdote?

Weston Turville?

First heard of the Story in 1982 while on an ATC camp at RAF Binbrook where I spent 2 days actually helping out on the maintenance of the aircraft.

@@richardvernon317 We missed each other by about 11 years. My Sqn 266 (Stockton) did summer camp at Waddington in the early 70s. My main memory was washing down a Binbrook Lightning with rags and paraffin, no gloves or PPE. My mate was awarded cadet of the week and won a flight in a JP3 of the Macaws aerobatic team. He could not stop smiling for the rest of the time I knew him. I got a flight in a Chipmunk the following year. Not quite the same!

@@tyrotrainer765 No. 266 squadron? You must know Biggles.

Hello fellow Clacton resident

l was in a care in a parking lot engine running foot on brake , tired sleepy so l closed my eyes relaxed, but foot relaxed too , l felt movement opened eyes car was driving not far from hitting other parked. damned automatics want to drive themselves.

There has to be some way to physically prevent a plane from taking off when you simply want to taxi it around

@@user-xg8yy7yl1d You'd have to hard-limit the speed somehow - if the plane gets moving fast enough, it's taking off whether you want it to or not. Normally there's a huge difference between taxiing speeds and takeoff speeds though, so this is almost never an issue. Taffy had an issue because he was testing the start of the takeoff phase and then got the throttle locked open with afterburner, and 44SirLoopalot's dad had an issue because he was careless about taxiing speed in a plane with a really low takeoff speed.

That's why you have to always be in either Neutral or Park when you're not moving. Aside from being more safe, you're also sparing the clutches in the transmission! Sadly people who have only ever driven automatics see only two shifter positions: Drive and Park.

@@lofturhjalmarsson9896 i stop by a traffic light on downward hill, didnt pull the hand brake, fell asleep, then bang hit the back of a bus. i was prepare to stop aside and confront with the consequence, but apparently the bus just dont give a shit and dont even bother to stop. lucky 😆

I suspect he actually said "This is a jolly bad show"

@@twotone3070 Hmm, this kite's got a bit of oomph!

I'm just imagining it like a cartoon where you hear the click and then it pauses for a second while he looks at the camera before it goes rocketing off

@@admiralgama6637 omg, thanks for the visual😂😂😂👍

@@twotone3070 Or just "Crickey!"

He was a highly competent engineer, working on a problem that was putting both aircraft and lives at risk, so I cannot think of any reason why he could have been fired. No doubt a few jobsworth pen pushers thought that it may happen, but the REAL bosses would undoubtedly have laughed and looked forward to meeting him. After all I doubt that a single one of them would have reached their positions without seeing how far they could bend the rules. 😊

@@wilsjane you're not wrong, you just underestimate this world.

What do u mean superiors do u don your hat or curtsy better description is Supervisors not superiors you are not living In pre ww1 years in Uk as a skivy

Plus the PR angle. The British press, whilst a cut throat and mercenary bunch, would probably have been 110% behind the plucky engineer called Taffy if they'd tried to discharge him... if only because it would help them sell papers. Better to give the man a full round of tea and medals and do any bollocking in private.

@@barrytipton1179 I will tell you a very funny TRUE story. Some years ago, a close friend of mine received a warning letter for not calling a jumped up supervisor 'sir'. The following day, he went to see the supervisor, profusely apologising and explaining that he had not been informed that he had received a knighthood from the Queen. Perhaps the real funny part is that 40 years later my friend received a knighthood for his work and needless to say, he did not expect anyone to call him 'sir'. PS, Last year, our daughter who is a London CID officer had a similar experience in the police force, but not in writing. I suggested that she took my friends line of action, but she said that she would not waste her time.

Yeah, mine started sweating too...

Yes, must be the warm weather.

Its the onion ninja's chaps. Awful things....

I thought you said you got a bit damp, not kink shaming or anything but weird

Not gonna lie now, but I did, when I told my wife it was my allergy's acting up.....

I lived at an RAF base when the lightnings were there. Watching them take off and climb from the end of the runway was unforgettable. Others were amazed that I could sleep through a squadron taking off at night!

This is off topic, but when my parents were in Korea they were always at an airfield and you literally couldn’t talk at all because phantoms were taking off and landing 24/7

I always consider the 6 months in 1972 I was attached to 111 Squadron at RAF Wattisham and a short tour in Cyprus as the resident Photog was the most exciting job I ever had. Initially it was my job to just remove the cassettes from the front facing camera that filmed the front when the pilot pressed his firing button and ground facing for aerial mapping shots but after being accepted by the ground crew, I was allowed to do tyre checking, fuelling and other checking jobs. Got the chance to go up in a T-Bird even though just for a short circuit and bump and also when the exercise of getting ALL the squadron into the air at one, required support crew to take out the generator cables at the last moment in sequence, requiring us to drop on the floor face down while the jet blast went over our heads as each kite turned onto the runway. No way can this Penguin even begin to compare that with real active service with bullets whizzing over you, but it was very exciting to be part of that Lightning exercise. Would have stayed in but after qualifying as Ground Photographer got sent to RAF Northolt where all I did was to pack printing machines with paper for Top Secret flight path books that could only be done by service personnel. But for a time, watching, being with 111 working on Lightnings was something most people never do and is something I will never forget.

I heard about the accidental Lightning flight when I first was based at RAF Conningsby around 1977 but I wasn't sure it was true; now I know. The guys used to say that nobody knew how fast a Lightning was because, on full reheat, it would run out of fuel before it stopped accelerating.

@@tedmawson260 Yes I heard the story about Taffy Holden from out Flight Sgt, whose was part of ground crew back then but not to the detail this video goes into. I also have another story about a jet crashing but it was not a Lightning but a Hawker Hunter. Looking back I can't believe I got in that T-Bird because about 1966 when I was in the Wantage Air Trainin Corps went on the yearly summer camp to RAF Chiverner near Barnstable, Devon. We were let loose on the dunes with our Lee Enfields 303 firing of our blanks at another cadet squadron when a very noisy jet flying very low went over, I thought it was part of the exercise to make it feel more real, when one of the pilots ejected and he shot up from his parachute to open. In those days I often bunked off school and hitch hiked in my ATC unform to RAF Benson, Abingdon and others near by to do 'circuit and bumps' in those days in transport planes, so I knew a fair bit about RAF kites in those days. So I recognize it was a T-Bird (ie a training jet) and immediately said to my friend there is another one in there. I can recall so well as I said it, it flipped on its side about 120 degree and ejector seat shot out and the pilot was driven into the ground which we did not actually see due do to the dunes but we sure heard the thump. The Hawker Hunter then banked to the right and crashed with a massive great big fire ball which I felt the heat on my face. Being quite stunned by what we had seen, most of us just stood looking at each other, I recall some of the more older lads starting to walk towards where the pilot had hit the ground. Then I heard some one shouting and it was the ATC Officer of the other squadron shouting at us to get back to the lorry we had been brought in. That eveing in our hut we had a visit from a senior officer who told us in no uncertain terms and putting the fear of god in us lads that not even to our parents were we were to talk about it and even had us sign on a letter where we put our name, ATC squadron and signature.I never found out about the other pilot who chute opened or if it was a cadet that shot into the ground. I did not talk about it at school or my friends but as my father was an RAF Electrician at the end of WW2 in Eygpt he was very interested and told me that for his detachment over seas he never saw a plane crash. LOL it did not deter him from telling me not to carry on 'hitching' flights on transport planes, which on one day earaly in the morning I went all the way to RAF Leuchars in Scotland and went back to school in the afternoon. The head caught me coming in late and wanted to know where I had been, on saying "Scotland" I got a detention.

I couldn’t agree more !!!! Shared with friends

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Agreed! Btw, loved you in Earth, Wind & Fire.

@@Euanhamiltonmusic 😁

completely agree...

In the RAF of the 1960s, I expect "some sedatives" =" most of a bottle of Courvoisier." :)

..one can't even imagine how maxed out on adrenaline he must be at that point... And the flipside of adrenaline is.. eventually... aggression... then as it burns out... extreme exhaustion... So, kudos to the MI Room/MH on base to give him what the folks of today would call "downers"...

So that's what it takes to get some sedatives? Hmm... brb, heading to the nearest airbase.

And a new pair of underwear.

A cup of tea?

I think deep down inside he had a burning desire to fly that plane. If I was him, I’d scream *“YOLO!!!!!!!”* while pushing it to supersonic speed.

@@MrSupercar55 XDD while flipping 2 birds at the control tower at the second flyby XDD

@@MrSupercar55 flying that fast without the canopy would suck you out of the plane.

He was probably buckled in.

Perhaps he did panic for the first few seconds when he nearly collided twice, but he certainly had his wits back in time to take off to avoid shooting straight into the village after running out of runway.

Yep, and tbh, the parachute failing after a tailstrike on landing seems like the sort of thing you'd call a pretty important design blunder.

@@akaHarvesteR he landed the plane in the wrong way, he landed it the way you do with planes with a small tailwheel

he was probably a bit on the slow side, hence the tail strike

Selflessness and humility, God's delight

Self-abasement and self-depreciation - very admirable British qualities!!

I think that it was not selflessness and humility. I think it was more that his superiors forbid him to speak to media.

Hair raising would be a more apt adjective to describe Taffy Browns experience.

accidently full throttles too XD

If there was a mic on board such as a headset to the tower... All they would hear is WIND... Maybe muffled screaming or jets

Ohcrapohcrapohcrapohcrapohcrap

@@BartBe More like: Oh Lord Oh Lord Oh Lord Oh Lord Oh Lord... or Buggers Buggers Buggers Buggers...

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Yea otherwise he would have had to time his final landing with running out of fuel

@@brutas_warman would be kinda hard reading the fuel gauge and keeping an eye on the airport, especially at mach 2 with no canopy

@@Ikaros--- Most jets can't actually reach Mach 2 at low altitude due to air density. Mach 2 speeds are typically achieved at high altitude where there's less air resistance. At low altitude it probably wouldn't get past Mach 1.2 or so - though that's still incredibly fast.

Have to have some big hairy wings on your upper lip to help give your face some extra lift!

Hahah, I was thinking the same thing.

We led the world in moustache technology in those days although we fell behind after Saddam Hussein seized power in Iraq.

That's interesting because Wg Cdr Holden began his career as a Halton Apprentice in the 1940's.

I too was an RAF Apprentice, I'm lucky to say...!@@ianh.6825

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A somewhat similar incident happened at ETIHAD, where an Engineer inadvertently started a newly delivered aircraft and it commences a roll and crashed into a wall. I would imagine he was horrified. One can undertake an online search and discover the details for them-self.

"Accidently" Haha

@@andrew_koala2974 I can imagine Ethihad was shocked seeing the plane going nose first into a wall - Ouch

airpringle69

He's gone spaceshuttle-status

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Mom, get the camera

Airforeskin69

I imagine they put the lights on for him xD I'm glad they chose a nice day to do the tests haha

Right, but he _wasn't_ a first-time pilot, which explains why he immediately had that in mind.

makes for a nice one @markfelton story!

He did extremely well... as someone that has done flight training in helicopters it generally takes 12 hours flying experience before you can keep them balanced in a hover as you must coordinate 3 main controls at once.. that guy did amazing...

Nancy Brown VN is one place I never imagined I would be in, during the time I served with the RAF in th early 1960s. Only after Migrating to AUSTRALIA in 1966 and continuing Military service here, VN is where I found myself in., and after most of the AU forces were brought home in 1973, I was sent on exchange to the USAF. wearing my VN service ribbons. the US CO organized US service medals, on the basis I was considered a USAF service member that served in VN. It all seems rather pointless that a few I served with have died already, even former ROYAL NAVY. friends I have known fro decades have passed away, some making it past age 90 As was said to me by a former Italian Merchant NAVY friend 'Pietro' aka: Peter (now deceased) 'Fingers crossed, so far so good" We would all go to the RSL club Friday and Saturday night, most of us former Military, Some English, some Irish, some Italian and one from HONG KONG, we all got along fantastic, whether we were NAVY - ARMY or AIRFORCE we enjoyed each others company. Now those days are gone - Nothing stays the same for long [[ RSL - Returned Services League ]]

@@simonvance8054 I'm pretty sure he must have gotten some stick time before that.

Any name or details to look that up? sounds like an interesting read

Haha, a mirage III pilot (Roger Pessidous) did the same thing in 1967 at 67000 feet, on a U2 that was snooping around over France's nuclear installations, although he needed to activate his SEPR rocket engine to do so. He buzzed the U2 at Mach 1.7 and even took a picture with the small camera they were issued with while approaching from the rear. apparently, they stopped flying U2s over France after that incident... but then, they came back with SR-71s, those bastards! :D

Didn't that pilot also chase down a Concorde doing Mach 2? Can do that for hours while a fighter only can for minutes.

Todavia tengo mis tomos, "no hagas caso a las mujeres" fue el mejor consejo que me dio mi abuelo

@@ValladolidArde Y joder que buena era.. con esos desplegables centrales, con esquemas detallados, la lista en orden alfabetico al final.. aun recuerdo los dos primeros fasciculos. Panavia Tornado y SR-71 Blackbird. Me alucinaba el grado de detalle porque pensaba.. "y que pasa si esto lo consigue un ruso??". Espero que la disfrutes muchos años, un saludo.

¿¿¿Quéééééé??? Yo nunca pude completarla, y aún guardo los fascículos que sobrevivieron.

@@curbowman Lastima que no pudieras terminarla, aun así te confieso una sana envidia porque mirando el lado positivo, tienes varios fasciculos, es mucho mejor que nada. Que la disfrutes!

Eh?

Pilots are soft. All this plexiglas, all the fancy helmets. When an engineer flies the plane, its just him, his wings and supersonic wind in the face.

engineers knows more about the plane than the pilot could’ve ever dreamed off

@@ZaHandle True. They do know more about the plane that any of the pilots ever could. Just because people are passionate about building for fixing planes doesn't mean they're passionate about flying them. There was a French engineer (let's call him Pierre) who, for his 64th birthday, was taken by his friends to a French Air Force Base and force to take a flight in in a dassault rafale. Pierre was subjected to a bunch of negative Gs (more than was initially planned) and in a Panic he reached to grab something for support. The problem was that the thing that Pierre grabbed onto was the ejection handle. And when he pulled the handle it triggered his ejection seat and it ejected him from the plane. Pierre sustained injuries and was taken to the hospital. Not exactly an ideal birthday for poor Pierre.

Wow.

@@redlioness6627 Indeed.

Thankfully this plane never saw RAF combat.

@@stephenwhite7559 I am curious how it would have performed, very well I would think, in fact I would think that it would have probably been the only plane in our arsenal to perform its role 100% in defence of Britain. I would think our Jaguars, Buccaneers, Tornado's, Harriers would have been out performed by Russia's supersonic offerings and we would have been overwhelmed in the defence role, the Lightning on the other hand being an interceptor for targeting bombers would have been more successful against Russian bombers. On the other hand, the Vulcan I think would have been a 100% success rate in its own role, and along with those very same Jaguars, Buccaneers, Harriers and Tornado's in an attack role against ground targets, they too would have a high success rate in such roles, but that is a scenario of planes acting in an offensive role and not a defensive role so I cannot class both defensive and defensive roles as having the same success rate.

@@derPetunientopf I used to watch them here in the UK, they were seriously THE single most loudest aircraft that I have ever heard, and along with the Vulcan bomber they have to be THE most singularly impressive aircraft that I have ever seen. The Vulcan being a heavy bomber with the flight characteristics of a fighter plane, the Lightning being an interceptor with the flight characteristics of a rocket, I really don't think any other country achieved such performances. I remember seeing a video of a former Eastern Block fighter pilot who flew Soviet made supersonic fighters flying an English Electric Lightning many years after it was taken out of service, when he climbed out of the cockpit and took his helmet off his face was beaming, he was giggling like a silly little schoolgirl and his voice was filled with an excited enthusiasm as he expressed his feelings on flying it. He said that the English Electric Lightning was the most frightening aircraft that he had ever flown and that it was the greatest pleasure and the most fun he had ever had flying anything, he loved it and said it was the best experience that he had ever had at the controls of any plane.

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Me too

Same here ✌️✌️

Well, count me in.

Google has a lot on sir Kenneth Porter!

One might say he learned lightning fast

Its a fake feel good story for the MSM, all the accounts of EE Lightning pilots call the plane a beast to fly, these are trained extremely experienced jet pilots. Remember the Lightning is a 50K feet per second interceptor, on a par with F15 or Mig25. Not a tame stable jet trainer.

@@joefish6091 ah yes someone named Joe Fish commented on a RU-vid video that it’s fake so it just be fake, no reason to question credibility there

@@joefish6091 you are just a troll

@@joefish6091 It's a good thing he wasn't trying to do anything fancy with it then wasn't it? Also, you have sources to show it's fake right? Maybe someone from the airfield that day?

Except fixing electrical systems of a plane.

Made up in the internet age.

That's not entirely true. Lightnings were flown by the saudis, kuwait and even privately owned! All those myths about classified are just myths. The engine specs are fully known and speed could even be calculated. To make matters worse the lightning was poor in range and had an extremely limited weapon payload. So it's safe to say the known limits are the known limits. It couldn't go faster, especially in any real application like combat, with weapon load (drag) and having to keep fuel on watch (maneuvering) or it's game over. Nonetheless, it was a great interceptor aircraft for it's time.

Absolute nonsense, sorry. You have combined every BS barstool yarn about the Lightning all in the one post, and should go and do some reading before opening one's mouth any further :-)

Put it this way. The Lightning could outpace the Concorde. And I won't even mention its flight ceiling. I was based at RAF Waddington and RAF Cottesmore during the early 1960s. Often we would receive visiting EE Lightning, and they weere most welcome. The Swiss Airforce was also based at RAF Waddington. Completed my service in 1966, migrated to AUSTRALIA, Studied Electronics Engineering and joined the Australian forces, served on exchange to the USAF finally oficially retiring in 1990 Worked in various fields and for almost 13 years taught English and History in High School and College. Retiring from that end of 2019 Now I am enjoying what time I have remaining. And it all started when I learned to fly at age 13. mostly I expect the interest in aviation came from my Moms eldest sister who served in the RAF during the War years.

@@kontoname Despite limitations it was a great looking plane even today, maybe the TSR-2 in my opinion looks even better. Maybe its me but the British era jets look "scifi" even now.

Until a few years back (2009), you could go down to Thunder City in Capetown, unload a large wedge of cash, and get a ride in a Lightning with Dave Stock (who was sadly to die in a Lightning) or Mike Beachy Head. I would gladly have sold my kids for a ride in one of those beautiful beasts.

The engines were just that powerful

Considering how long the plane went down the runway it was probably a lot of weight weighing it down. I just want to know how Taffy managed to fly an overloaded Lighting with 5 tons of steel balls on board

Legend says that after his brakes burned out he was only really able to stop by the weight of his giant balls.

Well, it took God several decades to reinforce the foundations of heaven as they would have collapsed from his heavy balled soul at the time so he helped him with the landing...

Glad you enjoyed it, Lawrence Martin! 👍