I'd quite like to see the cybermen used in a more Faustian way. They just show up to a planet dying of plague or famine and don't force or attack anyone but just offer conversions. It would kinda play out like Children of Earth.
Using the mondasian cybermen design would be nice too, they work do well cause they're so creepy. Possibly have a survivor cyberman that slowly upgrades a small village because of their worry of the plague. Have him like the lone cyberman, some of his emotions are still there and hes tricking them.
Maybe they use an ambassador; a silver-tongued devil talking people into conversion while the Doctor has to out-argue them and skirts moral greyness as without conversion thousands will die from the plague, but is death better?
@@meris8486 That could be good. I'd take it this ambassador would be a human looking character- cybermen voices might not be the best at sounding smooth talking and convincing?
My 2 favourite jokes about the Cybermen... The Next Doctor: Doctor: "Whoa, that's cheating sneaking up. Do you have your legs on silent?" Death in Heaven: Missy Cyberman: "Human weaponry is ineffective against Cyber technology." Kate: "I'm sorry, you left this behind on one of your previous attempts." *throws down helmet from The Invasion*
one of my favourite cyberman moments is when yvonne hartman gets converted and straight up blows up those cybermen while saying “i did my duty for queen and country” and cries an oil tear. shit hit me right in the feels
That's what gets me so upset from only TV watchers. They think a story about a race, or The Doctor, traveling & altering events throughout time & space should be straight forward & have easy answers. I feel like the best answers only give you more questions.
I just sort of handwave it. The Doctor changes history constantly, that there must be all sorts of branching timelines out there, some where the Cybermen come from Mondas, or Telos, or that other Mondas, or where they salvage parts from Pete's World Cybermen and so on.
@@DoinItforNewCommTech that is definitely what it is timelords can travel between dimensions and timelines so we know its possible though the doctor doesnt do it because its difficult. Which means every change the doctor makes does change the time line to some degree it only makes sense things begin to change and events witnessed become different over time thats what playing time does.
Terrific theoretical analysis, however, I know, because I was a BBCtv visual effects assistant in the early eighties, that the iterations in the Cyberman design had less to do with the drive for innovation than the fact that we couldn't be arsed to check the tapes from the previous series to find out what they looked like. We guessed. Same applies to the Daleks. That's probably why the Cybermens' planet changed its name slightly. Somebody just mis-remembered. Dr Who is a work of genius. When making telly there is no real space; it is all illusional, and there is no real time because broadcast is delayed. It is an adventure in the process of its own creation.
This is an amazing reason for the Cybermen to keep changing. “We forgot what they looked like so we just kinda guessed” is the most BBC thing to ever BBC.
Thanos: “I am inevitable.” Cyberman: “We are inevitable.” Thanos: *Gets killed by a magical rock collection* Cyberman: *Gets killed by a magic screwdrivers*
@@TheSparrrow I get that as well, it's a weird world we live in. When there's a thought You know Johnny Lawrence in cobra kai first used Facebook and he saw his old girlfriends profile he liked ALL her photos every last one, his student migel face palmed silently
It would make for an interesting ark were a planet is dying and the cybermen have convinced the population that conversion is the only option for survival - and then the doctor shows up. Rather than the usual invasion.
This sounds good. It could slowly develop starting from a place of people just helping to keep themselves alive through technology, so it can show more of a grey area,
I'd like to see one of these for The Slitheen. They've got a great design and despite only appearing as villains for 3 episodes in 2005, I swear they were used in promotions and merch for nearly a decade. I wanna know what those good gassy lads have been up to.
Yes the "Colchester" episode. As a Colchester resident it really annoyed me, that seeing as most of the episode could be filmed in doors why the BBC didn't just chuck a few guys with a camera in a van and send them to Colchester to get some proper external establishing shots!!!
Y’know the fact that they didn’t actually film it in Colchester doesn’t bother me half as much as the fact that the entire episode is based around a big indoor shopping centre, despite Colchester not having a big indoor shopping centre.
I actually really want a Genesis of the Cybermen, set on Mondas, potentially around 1966 as the original Tenth Planet was 86. Also, an Asylum would suit them far better then the Daleks because obviously the failure of the emotional inhibitor would lead to insanity, that the Cybermen would obviously incarcerate one for, perhaps for further assimilation.
They should've made the starter episode of Series 7 "The Asylum of the Cybermen". The Doctor and his companions are kidnapped by The Parliament of the Cybermen to traverse the Asylum finding horrible disfigured Mondasion, Earthshock, Tomb and Cybus Cybermen. Oswin Oswald is actually a half converted Mondasian Cyberman.
nightowl That’s reality of why Doctor Who (and why there’s always a sizeable subset of casual viewers permanently hating on the show)- the reason it’s so awesome is the wiiiiiide potential. It was Hinchcliffe Who pointed out they could do *anything*.
@@MrLtia1234 There's a sizable amount of people hating on the show because Chibnill used the season 12 finale to take a fat hot steaming shit over 60 *YEARS* of established Doctor Who lore! Let us be a little mad about it!! (or was your comment from before that duce dropped?)
@@jacobredfield1386 It actually doesn't break Who-lore at all. What is actually did was fix a few old holes (believe me, there are plenty). It was also pretty terrible, but those two facts aren't related, sorry.
If I had brought back the Cybermen in the revival, i would've given them kind, melodic and peaceful sounding voices as a way of potentially luring people into conversion. It would make them much more unnerving and close to home what with Siri and Alexa nowadays, and would make a nice contrast to the Daleks.
My personal favourite kind of Cyberstory are the few where they actually make a convincing case for conversion. The Flood is REALLY good at this, making true on the fact that they WOULD eradicate world hunger and poverty.
A kind, melodic voice would work. And then have their voices change to the voices used in The Moonbase and Tomb of the Cybermen, which were created using an electrolarnyx.
They should do a story set in ancient Greece with cybermen but the cybermen look kinda like Spartan warriors or something because those are the materials and armour they have to convert people.
What bugs me is how cavalier they are with killing people, they should have tasers or anti-riot gear to incapacitate targets, their big guns should be reserved for warfare not skirmishes.
They're my favourite villains of all time. I wrote one story called 'Like a Doll's Eyes.' An alien doll-maker loses his daughter and then loses his mind, and - obsessed with preserving the next generation - converts hospital kids into Cyberdolls. Such creepy imagery. No other villain is so broad, yet so defined. Brilliant concept!
The Cybermen always appear as a final act of desperation against human extinction. I feel like the toclofane were a type of Cyberman lineage. They are the last of humanity suffering the heat death of the universe and instead of removing emotions, they hard code themselves with a childlike personality, which becomes horrifying when they demonstrate their eagerness to kill with no consequence.
I, too, have always wanted to a converted Adric story. Like, survived the crash by partially converting himself? He decides to live in the shadows and get his vengeance on the Doctor. It could work really well fer Big Finish . . . Dunno if they could pull it off live action.
I'd play it more as that crazed Cyberman is their way in, leading to the sad reveal that the nearby organic matter / available mind was used. Either way, its wanky as hell- but would drive some much-needed closure out of Tegan Nyssa and 5.
15 minute presentation. Ended by the "clown show" dancing with the stars. All i remember are the 2 dancers at the end of the video. Like for the research
To be fair, the Cybermen showing up in Victorian England in 'The Next Doctor' was apparently the result of the barriers breaking down because of the Daleks. The same plot device that lets 10, Donna, Rose & Meta-Crisis Doctor to go to Pete's World
I’ve been trying to make as much sense of this as possible this past week and just gave up, not even the writers could explain where their cybermen fit
Exactly. I don't know if it's ever been confirmed that that is one of the ideas that created the Cybermen, but it's definitely interesting to look in to.
@nightowl Reminds me of: "There is trouble with the trees for the maples want more sunlight and the Oaks ignore their pleas. But now the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw…" Just as cybermen make everyone equal through scalpels, bone saws and steel with an emotional inhibitor so you can act like none of it happened.
@@gavinpicard3003 Marx himself (and thus his proponents, be them Lenin, Stalin or any Marxist-Leninists or proponents of Marx's so-called Dialectic Materialism™ aka Hegelian ripoff). He was against any notion of transhumanism/eugenism, biological selection or evolutionary supremacy (although transhumanism as a concept may not strictly indicate a biological transcendence). Your reply unfortunetaly tells me that you're not aware of his writings on the theory and practice of natural sciences and his unilateral bitch fight with Darwin, Wallace and Huxley or let's say his personal crusade as he was no man of science, yet he dabbled in the fields he had no knowledge therof. There's a reason Marx and Engels opposed Darwinian evolution and Mendelian genetics and his successors, the Soviet Union made Lysenkoism the state religion by rejecting then modern genetics and biology. Holodomor was literally caused by this pseudo-scientific belief and damaged the Soviet agricultural development and hindered their exploration of the genetics. Stalin hanged or exiled many biologists who simply opposed Lysenkoism. It seems like early Doctor Who writers also lacked the skills of the philosophy and or/history of science and thus drew the simple allegory of communism = transhumanism. No, communists are against transhumanism because it simply violates their main principle: equality, both in social and biological sense.
Me (Before watching dr who last night): *I’m actually excited for Dr Who tonight! Excited for the Cybermen! All I want is a Cyberman army, I’ll be happy if there is a Cyberman army!* Me (watching dr who last night): *Are those... Cyberman heads flying around?* My brother: *Yep*
9:19 that's awesome tho! Heaven on Mondas is another short script I've done. Basically all my ideas revolve around the Cybermen tbh. I'll never stop having ideas, they're such a good concept.
Apparently Star Wars has the possibility of Cybermen with the latest SWTOR expansion which mentions a species that relies on cybernetics and at some point they'd eventually get to the point of Cybermen... well it would be a possibility if Disney didn't nuke Star Wars: Legends.
Okay, I had to pause the video for a moment when that picture of the Cyberman taking a smoke break flashed up. I've never seen that image before, and it's fucking brilliant!
Honestly, I’d love a story of a Cyberman who somehow escaped conversion early, still in Cyberman body, but their mind is their own, still with their emotions, but still connected to the hive mind network of the cyberiad and they have to try to keep their mind from being taken back into the hive and become a mindless, emotionless drone. Have the doctor end up trying to help them somehow
Love your work, Sam. You're a genuine original. Hope you're getting paid for some of it these days. Oh and don't worry about doing more conventional content. Well, OK, worry about it if it helps monetise your channel. Otherwise, keep on being Sam.
I don't think I'll ever forget when I was a little kid and saw The Five Doctors for the first time. In it, there was one shot where you could very clearly see the actor's mouth under the helmet (when they and the Master were coming to an agreement on the hill), and that absolutely terrified me. I'd already seen quite a few Cybermen episodes at that point, so I knew what they were about, but that mistake was what really made the fact that they were human underneath sink in, and that shook me to the core. I mean, I was a little kid (like maybe four or five), as far as I was concerned, that shit was real.
Has it ever been explained why the cybermen design always stays the same in New Who? It's always either the 2006 or 2013 design, e. g. episodes like The Doctor Falls, Nightmare in Silver, Dark Water and Rise of the Cybermen have nothing to do with each other
As someone who's favorite Doctor Who villains are the Cybermen, this is the first video I saw on this channel and you got an instant subscribe the second I heard "These are the saddest bois around and they don't even know it" because YES
What's great and terrifying about the Cybermen is how resilient they are as a "species." No matter how many you wipe out, if one survives, or if they're not all melted down, they're guaranteed to come back for more conversions.
Revenge of the Cybermen was my first Doctor Who serial. In the US, they would run an entire serial on Saturday nights on the Public Broadcast System, and young me was trying to find a reason to stay up late. My mom knew how much I loved sci-fi, so I was like: "Look, there are robots! I have to see this!" Even though it's pretty cheap looking, just this weird idea of a dude traveling through time foiling the plans of evil doers, including rolling trash cans with plungers and guys wrapped up in tin foil with flashlights on their heads, totally enchanted eleven year old me. And as I continued to watch, I got past the crappy special effects and learned the love the awesome stories. When the actors give it their all, you just kind of don't notice the f/x so much. Now, one of my favorite shows! And it's nice to know that the Daleks are out there to shut down the Cybermen when they get out of hand.
Here’s what I don’t get. How did the Mondasian Cybermen become the modern Cybermen when they’re trapped on that spaceship. I know they upgraded but what are the odds that they’d look exactly the same?
I have a book about Cybermen written by David Banks who played Cybermen in Dr Who through out the 80's, at the back there is a short story that was written by Gerry Davis and Kit Pedlar called Genesis of the Cybermen it was a story of the origins of the Cybermen. It was written for a story within the series but sadly never got made, the story ends when refugees escape Mondas and flee to Earth, obviously suggesting these are the people the humans descended from.
My personal headcanon for the issues in Cyberman lore with The Doctor Falls is that: A) They used shuttles to reach floor 497. While i can see one of the Season 8 Cybermen travelling through 200 metres of solid steel, i can't see the Mondasian or Lumic ones doing that. There are clearly accessible shuttles, as Nardole takes one. B) They don't upgrade themselves slowly. They would make an entire new designs similar to how Tony Stark builds a completely new suit to fix one issue. I could imagine the Lumic Cybermen being the "Mark 2" version of the Mondasian Cybermen, and the Season 8 Cybermen being the weapons grade version.
That makes sense. It makes perfect sense that the 66 cybermen are like the prototype and the cybus cybermen are the final product then the series 8 cybermen are the special weapons variant!
It's my personal belief that all the cybermen from telos and planet 14 were from ships sent from Mondas, send out into the universe to take over planets and find a new home world but that's my own head cannon.
"Doctor who in Doctor Who" The main character goes around by The Doctor, I think the only time a character called themselves Doctor Who was Missy, joking around.
I’ve tried to make a time line of not just the tv stories like what David Banks did but expand on it with the cybermen big finish stories. I could even get the Orion wars which was like pre earthshock. I couldn’t imagine trying to work in comic or book stories.
Ben DarthDakka I know it’s good book, I especially like The Archive Tapes: Cybermen read by David Banks and the chronology makes sense. Particularly on the Invasion pre-dating the arrival of Mondas.
@@SamyulDavis I'm a fan of Fenech! It was adorable! "Come on" back as well - it humanizes you, and the rest of your delivery and editing was perfect. indestinct-shuh-buhl actually *improves* the clip!
Even though this is a cyberman video has anyone else noticed that in the journeys end we got actual daleks when Martha went to the castle to use the ostahargan key
With all the different Cybermen versions and factions, kinda want a story involving a Cyberman civil war one day, like two factions of cybermen, due to differences in either way to convert, or off differing goals, have them fight each other and just have the doctor and his companions just stuck in the middle
@@blackphoenix77 Because the Doctor has stated that there are fix points in time that should never be changed and disaster results anytime he tries, such as the Mars special where he saved the astronauts and yet the Captain killed herself to prove the point to the Doctor that he shouldn't have such absolute power.
Maybe the Planet 14 Cybermen left their Marinus to go looking for other worlds to colonise, didn't get anywhere with it and decided to head home, got lost and arrived on a totally different planet that also happened to be named Marinus
There is a fan audio tape (later released an official BBC CD) complete with a timeline chart included as part of it's packaging entitled Origins of the Cybermen that takes 50 minutes to just cover the history of Old Who and Target novelisations Cybermen. However you're going to do "the lot" in 15 minutes. This should be good. :)
The 1966 Cybes were Not "technophobia" they reflected the worries of an era where heart replacements were being pioneered along with other potential often technology based "fixes" to medical problems, and those working on these such as Dr Kit Pedlar (the creator of the Cybermen who worked with using cameras to help the blind see) the philosophical conundrum that worried them was, how much of a human being can you replace and still be human, if you replace too much do you lose your humanity? That's the Cybermen.
