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Hey bud I'm guessing that notification I got from this video is a fake scammer? Just thought I'd bring it to your attention. Love the channel!!! Awesome and filled with great info, keep up the great work!
Getting back into road cycling. My last road bike had a Reynolds triple-butted chro-molly steel frame. Wish I'd never sold it. These carbon frame videos have ensured my next bike will DEFINITELY be aluminium - only because titanium seems to be un-obtainium in Australia. The minor weight advantages of carbon are pointless for me - easily off-set by me losing a few kilos. These lovely carbon frames look like they are designed to be thrown away after a few years of use, or a minor crash, or putting them in a bike stand or not using a tension wrench on a fitting or over tightening the seat post, or, or, or, or . . . . my goodness - they are like glass and seem genuinely designed to fail.
If I had a LOT of extra money, I'd have a carbon bike. And I'd have it exclusively serviced by a local mechanic I know. (I wouldn't do much with it myself for fear of cracking it.) And I'd have to be ok with the idea that the carbon bike may last a handful of years and then be thrown away. As of now, I can't justify that expense and hassle. Sometimes, I do feel a bit left out when I'm around other riders with $5,000+ bikes (let's be real, many of the local, novice riders are on $8,000-$12,000 set ups, with all the fancy components, expensive watt meters and head units, and hundreds of dollars of clothing/kit) But it's been impossible for me to justify spending more on a BICYCLE than I would on a motorcycle or used car.😮 But at that point, it's too much hassle for all that. So, I just get on my old aluminium bike and ride!! I had a hand me down steel bike; I so regret that I sold it. 🙄😪 Custom titanium or steel would be my ultimate bike... One day!
Aluminum is good, steel is better, titanium is my preferred, although steel is very similar in the sense of how stiff and ridged the ride feels just that titanium is alot lighter. I know titanium is expensive but I just saved up enough to buy one. I would highly recommend doing so as well. Now I didn't buy my ultimate dream bike a moots titanium road bike @ 10-15 thousand dollars but I went with the Litespeed titanium road bike with upgraded titanium seat post & parts which was around 5-6 thousand. Took 2-3 months to save it. It was well worth it!! I love it and it's extremely fun to ride. Also you could always have a titanium frame shipped to Australia?
Sir, you deserve an award for this series of videos talking about carbon bikes and components. This has been some of the most truthful and educational content without ripping on any brands in particularly like some other growingly popular RU-vidrs are doing. I won't name them but I think you know who I'm talking about. Rob's company is just one company in the many companies popping up in the World and the amount of damaged carbon frames is enlightening as to how wrong this stuff is to be making bicycles out of. If you ask me because it is such a crap material carbon bikes should be cheaper to purchase than a steel bike. I personally wouldn't own another carbon bike even if they were cheaper. Keep the videos coming, loving the content.👍👍
60cm Steel 852. Carbon fork (Columbus Minimal). Cero AR30 wheels. Campag Potenza with a Chorus crank. Light bars. Measured as the shops do, no pedals. 8.7kg. Unless you are racing, or addicted to Strava why? (oh, and no it doesnt have discs and the ALLOY wheels are sub 1450g). Another one, Pro-Light Alloy. Carbon for with alloy steerer. Cero AR24 wheels, 105 with Ultegra crank. Light bars. 7.7kg. Sod carbon, I've broken two Focus and had a Dolan spin it's threaded BB insert (galvanic corrosion). There just is no point.
Hehe that supreme was mine 😂 my pride and joy. Used to be a TCR. Didn't hit a bollard on my phone though, got brake checked in the new forest by a fiat 500 😭
I actually just posted earlier today on Hambini's channel asking if he thought that there was much of a disadvantage (if any) with a lightweight steel bike compared to a light carbon one. After watching this video I'm now more on the side of steel.
Man, seeing all those dead carbon bikes was rough. Metal is still recyclable. This is terrible. If he has that many dead carbon bikes, I wonder how many of these things end up in a landfill - forever...
The repairman has some expert level head tilt to gaze right across the edge of his glasses frames. I don't know why but it gives the impression of authority in what he's saying. He probably repairs his own spectacle frames too. Serious Occulus Reparo type vibes.
That’s my chameleon green Giant TCR SL frame, 1:45 in, caused by the bottom of a carbon bottle cage snapping, the bottle dropped into the frame on a ride which I didn’t notice. By the time I got home, it had rubbed right down to the carbon. I’ve just picked it up today and Carbon Bike repair have done an amazing job.
Wow, glad it wasn't only me who's broken or experienced carbon frame failures. Ive had 6 carbon frames break or fail from normal use or small impacts. Focus, trek, and Cannondale.
Thanks for the video. I think a nice carbon frame is a piece of art, but with all due respect, I'm keeping my 21 year old titanium frame. It's good as new.
Interesting. As much as I like carbon, it seems to me like there’s so much garbage and design flaws, that nobody’s owning up to, such that outside competitive cycling I prefer a rugged steel or Aluminum frame. I use a road bike for all kinds of riding and prefer simple, rugged technology that just works reliable without being to much concerned about cracks. Furthermore it appears all those bikes are like buy, use 2-3 years and throw. Sort, but not my kind of thing.
@@JourdainColeman i see some of those repaired frames for sale at local ebay marketplace but somehow i am not sure if buying would be a good idea... they probably could make some cool lightweight beater bikes.... its also very eco friendly to repair stuff i think.
A while ago I did a workshop on carbon fibre stimulation. One of the key takeaways was that every sheet of fibre with it's precise orientation matter. I wonder how this person can claim these repairs safe
I used Carbon Bike repair a year ago and while their prices are substantial if you love your frame and want to keep it they are certainly THE place to go. The results were fantastic.
@@dixonbidenzmouth4115 So what! If you don't race the weight doesn't matter. The riding pleasure does matter. And I personally think steel bikes look better than the aero shapes do.
@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 My point is if carbon bikes were always failing they wouldn't be selling or millions who own them. If you have never ridden carbon aero shape or not you might likely never go back to steel. I used to ride aluminum until I met carbon. I wouldn't go back to aluminum if I don't have to. I would think if I rode steel it would feel like a horse carriage on a bumpy gravel road.
Hey Jourdain, thanks for this unique content! I was wondering if you could show us, perhaps in another video- what the common fractures /cracks brought in to that shop look like. Just to get an idea or feel of what such damage might look like. You know sometimes I come across a scratch on the frame that looks real minor, but I’m clueless if I should read more into it. Anyhow you have a few more videos on this subject - so I’ll watch those too.. maybe you’ve already covered this. Cheers !
I have spoken to Rob about this before. How can you tell if something is cracked or just a paint chip. I think without having a proper look under the paint there is no proper way to tell. I'll add it to my notes and see if it's worth showing or he is ok showing
I'd like to see a video since talking about carbon frames, more details on cracks or damages that are not really detected by a regular person but maybe he can point out stuff that can later be a cracked frame
It tells you that they crash more often than most of us do. Makes sense, they ride in very tight groups at breakneck speeds. Handlebars are the most likely part to break in a crash and waiting for a new bike would mean a lost race. I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you're a hobby rider it's not an issue. Also many teams, like Jumbo Visma run integrated bar/stem combo now, so carbon bars.
I recently came across your channel,and I have found the content to be extremely intriguing and a tremendous source of information. I have learned so much more from it in such a short space of time than I did in the last two decades. I have a 98 Trek 5200 OCLV frame(original owner)purchased in 1998 that I have been riding for the last 25 years which has served me admirably up to this point and in my opinion has withstood the test of time. I am curious what you think about this frame,and I am wondering if Rob could get hold of one to dissect for close examination to give his expert analysis covering the overall strength,durability,carbon fiber lay up and resin content etc of this frame. Hope he is fortunate to find one soon.
How fitting I find this video shortly after a break my TCR Advanced into 2. Oh yeah I got a few stitches as well and got my pulse lowered dangerously but that is not as important as my broken carbon frame. Edit: oh wow I found the exact same model broken in the exact same spots lol. I might actually get mine fixed though, it's still cheaper than getting some chinese aluminum frame.
Carbon bars? Consider how big, how strong, and what kind of riding you do? I've snapped two pairs, torque breaks, not crashes. 6'2" 185lbs crosser. Also shredded a pair of Zipps (granted, long ago) last time I raced cross on carbon hoops. Big guys, strong guys gotta be careful - or made out of $$$$$$.
Im beginning to see that carbon fiber we're just all hype. I got two custom made carbon RBs and an old school classic japanese carbon RB also planning to buy one more but probably the last carbon bike i will buy just for the aesthetics. Yeah they're lightweight but given the problems it will give you in the long run is just money pit. Carbon is a good technology and an excuse for people to have a disposable bike. Wherein the classic steel and crmo bike are still alive and kicking after so many crashes. I wonder how the super cars are not having this issues? Or maybe not being shown to people. 🤔
I've seen a short video recently, where someone said: mechanics were talking about damages on the upper pipe from carbon frames after a crash in a peloton. But the riders with the damaged frame did not crash. It was because of the rider sitting in the upper pipe, waiting for the riders ahead to continue. Many frames had to be exchanged in 1 season. Can you ask Rob please what he thinks about that? And, is carbon really that "sensitive"? Sprinters putting 1500Watt on the pedal but sitting on the frame leaves damage?!
Repaired carbon frames are an option, the biggest issue is recycling or none of it, there is endless dump tip’s with these things and no one wants to take ownership. Some can be made into small objects but majority end as landfills or even worse.
Fair enough about the qualities and advantages of Carbon fiber. However we dont see such scrap issues with Aluminum. Still have the feeling that aluminum will last longer and dont hurt the pocket
It would be very cool to get Rob’s opinion on atherton/robotbike frames, 3D printed titanium lugs fused to carbon tubes, as I guess it’s no different to carbon/aluminium being fused. Really find these videos informative Thank you
Carbon and even lightweight aluminum bicycles are fragile which is the price for performance. Given the choice between carbon fiber and a top end steel bicycle, I will pick steel.
Top end and steel don’t go together lol. When your frame weighs 2kg, you might as well buy half a dozen Walmart bikes for the same price and just use those frames.
Most recreational bicycle frames have one foot in the world of performance and the other in fashion. Carbon fits that modality well, at the moment. So repairing it makes sense. Steel is trickier. The rider needs to understand its characteristics and then find a builder who is competent. The sweet spot is modern aluminum frames from Giant and their OEMs like Specialized. Giant has done oodles of work to make aluminum ride well and if you are a normal size then and you don’t need to service conspicuous consumption then test ride a modern aluminum bike.
after all these videos i am more and more happy with my all titanium Bike, welded by Kelly Bedford in his time with Ben Serotta, a bike for a lifetime.
I cracked a most carbon bars at the top bend and I fix it myself you can’t tell since the bar tape stronger then before I couldn’t afford to buy new ones
i saw this and the carbon frame video. i enjoyed watching it and was very informative. but then, what part in bike CAN be carbon? even in aluminum frames the forks are carbon. is there no problem with this? and what about carbon wheels? also, some of the high end aluminum wheels use some carbon parts too. does this have the same problem with carbon frames too?
Saw multiple destroyed big brands frames there.. Specialized/ S-works, Giant, Trek, but saw only 1 Canyon (there are more prob), did not saw Santa Cruz too, no matter they guy said there is some of them there too.. My point is, the vast majority of broken frames was from these brands, while other brands not as much..
Just talking MTB here but it seems the direct to consumer bikes are more robust like my YT than my friends Specialized bikes that sound paper thin. The Santa Cruz carbon seems to be really strong for some reason including rims.
I had a pair of Cinelli carbon bars in my hand and my coach said, "Not for you. They'll break." So I asked Cinelli to make me an identical pair from Aluminum. Took a year and if my ex wife finds out how much they were, she'll take me to court again. 😂 Of course I still have the bars.
The same accident that will break a carbon bike will bend an aluminium bike beyond repair. Aluminium is a work hardened material. The more loads and stresses you out it through, the more brittle it becomes. at least with carbon you can see the damage instantly.
Speed triple Dave l? Why not look at one of them? Biased, never liked the MTs. Tried an S1000R? Had one. Good bike. OK engine bland sounding but a quality machine for money.
Depends, my 2011 giant tcr has very smooth welds. It's certainly possible, but I guess most manufacturers dont because it makes carbon bikes look better 😅.
@@davidmurphy9151 Not the question. Don't interject if you're going to be dishonest. And if you want to go down this line, practically nothing actually gets recycled. Steel included. This is a stupid line of reasoning.
Gosh, please stop this format of switching scenes every 30 seconds, it's very disruptive, let the old man talk, and maybe overlay some captions as prompts.
