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Ed- you should have asked if it was morally right to not use animals so that we can limit the spread of harmful viruses and diseases. Put that up there especially in this climate where karens are upset about people not wearing masks, social distancing, or wanting to ve vaccinated. That should be a "boom head shot moment" never let a good crisis go to waste, ed. Constantly push the fact that we get sick alot because of animal farming- so to stop the spread- stop using animal products.
I'm considering going Pescatarian due to the fact that I will not have enough energy with out consuming an animal and the fact the lobsters and crabs are so dang delicious!! I would give up steak just to eat two crab cakes a year 😋 👍. All of the cows, pigs, and chickens can thank all of the crabs and lobsters for being so tasty.
This is the way you get people to change their mind. When they are open, and they come up to you. Please do more of this type of things. Protesting really is not the way.
i think sticking to these old patterns like eating meat is so woven deep inside us that it takes a lot of experience, communication and courage to finally change something. i also strongly believe that the next evolutionary step of mankind is to transcend towards inner and outer peace, where you still keep enough control as needed. seeing the beauty and the gift of life contributes a lot
Lol he was so quick to sit down and thought he was about to debunk the whole vegan movement. Then he realized he was debating vegan Jesus, all downhill from there.
I never thought I would change anyone's mind. I just thought I had a fair justification for eating meat myself, and saw some dude on campus with a sign about veganism, and was interested to see what he had to say.
Brad2319 Brad, for what it’s worth, I think you presented your thoughts eloquently in a discussion with Ed who is obviously well prepared. I also believe you represented the views of many non-vegans who still have sympathy for veganism, which is also a challenge. This was a really positive and useful discussion which engages with lots of ideas that many non-vegans will be considering.
@@0BradCraft0 hi Bradley! dunno if it's really you. I'm vegan so each of us understands your views on this matter. It was courageous of you sitting on that chair but Ed is one of the best activists. After this has any of your views changed?
@@yosief98 tbh, not really. I'd heard most of his arguments before, and while I do think being vegan is a positive, I don't think it is all that important. I don't eat that much meat anyways. I oppose factory farming, but I am not in a position to buy ethically raised meat, as I don't buy my own food.
@Shy Brotha Speaks I'm pretty sure McDonald's chicken nuggets already does stuff like that. Their nuggets are make out if pink slime stuff. 🤢 Should see the video a guy ate McDonald's only for a few months. Gained tons of weight, levels were high. Got sick from it. It also showed how the nuggets were made and other McDonald's food. It was gross. Forget the name of the show
@Neha Zecca oh I believe it before I went vegan I got it one time. Got so sick from it I called the store saying how 🤢 I got. I said being in the food industry you need to check ur food out. Like was it properly temp, was the fridge not cold, old etc. Or just a bad batch of.tuna. idk needless to say never got it again.
Extrapolate in these situations. For example: So, Bradley, what happens when every other person on that freeway also delays that 1 person by 5 seconds? ---Got him .....................................The person will never get to their destination. Flawed argument. Remember that word people -Extrapolate AKA: What if everyone acted this way?
Earthling Ed is kind of logical, but that man in glasses is very moralistic, and hence veganism and morality are two completely different things: moral doesn't mean you can't eat animals, it's just a vegan opinion.
Read up on Hitler, he was a "vegetarian" in the loose sense: he believed in eating a diet of cereals, vegetables, fruits and nuts, and was against animal slaughter, even though he wasn't a good example of a vegetarian.
I'm a big fan, Preacher! I love that you support Ed and help spread the vegan message :) It's wonderful to have celebrities that are true ethical vegans.
Max Hoyt no it doesn’t. Slavery was morally neutral? No of course it wasn’t. It never was. Everyone who participated in it was committing an immoral act. It doesn’t matter that it was accepted at the time
Max Hoyt we used to run around killing eachother, and it was normal. Was killing eachother a moral act just because it was accepted at the time? No of course it wasn’t
26:12 and there it is ladies and gentlemen, the crux of the non-vegan viewpoint: ME, ME, ME, what I want, what benefits ME, what makes ME feel good, it's all about ME. No consideration for others.
Yes, self-centeredness is definitely the plight of humanity, arguably the plight of all sentient beings. One could also argue that it is not the sentient being who is inherently wrong or bad, but it's the afflictions of ignorance, self-centerdness, and confusion within that being's mind that is the real enemy to be targeted. Self-centeredness is culturally and societally learned behavior that is constantly reinforced in daily life, and because the self is a transient, impermanent phenomena that comes and goes in the mind, it can be uprooted, transformed, and eradicated (Buddhist reasoning). A sentient being can learn, develop and cultivate selflessness and compassion through effort.
Labo Emez didn’t noticed anything sort of that. Me personally I take b12 supp only, other than that my health is the best it’s ever been, vegan 3 years, for instance joint health needs glutamine and that is in gluten, so, my advice would be to find a dietitian or smt, it is stupid and not healthy to think like that.
I can’t stand when people will say anything just to win a debate or not admit that they are wrong. The most intelligent people, those people who possess qualities of wisdom, in my experience, not only are willing to hear someone else’s perspective but they are willing to learn from it. Not allowing yourself to learn something new or a better way of life is the definition of ignorance.
Every time I see an ignorant person I truly feel bad for them. What a shitty life, being a close-minded and self-centered person who don't learn, don't grow, don't develop compassion nor enlarge their perspective and mind.
Hypocrisy Alert! Is your conscience uneasy or do you believe your argument's so bad not to relate his? Just saying... sounds like your planted in your ideas against his.
I would say no, since that's just a net neutral, and by his metric it needs to be a net positive, and it also doesn't take into account the time put in to earn that money.
It's an interesting question though. I suppose if his time was much more valuable than yours and had more money it could be considered a net positive. In reality that would just be called socialism
His argument is actually an argument FOR veganism. The sensory pleasure we gain from eating meat is absolutely microscopic compared to the pain it causes animals. Under this very basic notion of utilitarianism, veganism still wins.
Although I am a conservationist my issue with veganism is the hypocritical and authoritarian nature of the ppl promoting it. the fact that millions of WILD birds are dying bc of middle class brits obsession with olive oil, millions of Peruvians are unable to afford their own produce due to the fact we import so much quinoa, the co2 produced importing exotic fruits and veggies like avocado and the fact a truly healthy vegan diet that includes supplements is making some really nasty corporations VERY wealthy is lost on most vegans
@@libertydefenders8276 We could always go vegan and then opt for locally grown produce. Although, we have a global food trade. We should just promote transporting more of our produce back to them so they have food to eat. It isn't that challenging of a concept. Besides, do you think vegans who equate to 1% of the global population have as much influence as 99% in the way the food system runs. You can choose to eat only local produce and be vegan, take less showers, support local manufactured goods, compost, recycle, etc... People aren't just vegan. All humans can make a variety of choices that seek to benefit the greater good.
Why? This is how a kind human interacts with another kind human. I am tired of people needing to be assholes. Whether someone understands or not it isnt going to help if one is impatient.
Liberty Defenders “those millions of middle class brits “, do you one ,think they are the only driver of the market and two what has that to do with vegans. Your so called millions of middle class brits aren’t the vegan population or are their relevant to the world population of vegans.nor are vegans the driving force behind quinoa. Very strange reasoning. Do you have statistics to back up your claim of the olive oil sales. Many vegans don’t use olive oil due the impact but palm oil is even worse. Apart from that from a health side oil is unhealthy. Just because people follow a vegan lifestyle doesn’t stop them from caring about other issues. They are more likely to be considering other issues as well because of ethics .
Only 50% of India, at most, are vegetarians and almost none are vegans. Having spent about 6 months there, I came across very few people who really understood why someone would voluntarily become a vegan - their vegetarian from birth by culture/religion (obviously nothing wrong with that). That being said, 500 million is an enormous amount of people. I still daydream about the amazing veg food I had there...
I am actually interested in the Indian country, let say okay the majority don't eat animals, at one point beef were forbidden to sell, so, they are consuming a lot of milk products, where do they put the calves, grow them up, sell to other countries, which would be still not moral to the cow which in their ideology is sacred, so I am a bit confused here.
Deimantė Stankevičiūtė it’s sad but India is largest exporter of beef I believe. I think they don’t slaughter them just ship them to other countries. However, I’ve lived in villages where these cows are actually treated well like old style grazing with the farmer etc. nothing like the corporate machines in industrialized countries.
Sai Anoop then who cares, if they still being killed sooner or later.. it is just dumb on their behalf, cows are sacret yeah, so why the hell do you sell them to be eaten, or for leather.. still same shit just in another hand.. sorry for my speech just sickens me. :/
These comments make me realize how stupid vegans are. That guy made a sophisticated argument and you guys can’t understand. Your thoughts are basically “Killing bad so killing animals is also bad and I don’t understand anyone who disagrees.” You can disagree with him because everyone’s values are different but not understanding what he is saying is just stupid
garax Everyone is way to serious. Just be happy someone is speaking for the animals who can’t. Which is all animals except us. Ed is great at debating without getting echos involved. This kid probably just took one class in debating and thinks he knows his shit LOL. You can’t justify killing something that does not want to be killed, so the kid is just arguing to try and win a no win situation.
Hi ed, im 53 years old. I just watched"The Earthling" documentary. I haven't cried since my 24 yr. Old daughter was murdered 10 years ago. I was crying today. New vegan here. If that documentary cant change someone's ways, nothing can. Keep up the good work. P.s. im going to need recipies...
Sorry to hear about your daughter... but that's awesome that you're veg now! Welcome to the meat-less fam! I'm 3 years into this journey and my mother who is close to your age recently began her plant-based journey too! There are tons of great vegan recipes on RU-vid just keep trying them out until you find what you like. And if you ever feel like you need more motivation watch Dominion its well shot and extremely powerful film. www.dominionmovement.com
I am so very extremely sorry about what happened to your poor little daughter Diamond... I am very grateful and thankful that God has delivered from so much of the horrors that you have gone thru, and u thank you so very extremely much for going vegan and I really hope rgar you will please try to continue push thru with God thru all of this...
Diamond painting with purple butterfly hi beautiful, wondering how your vegan journey is going? And I’m so sorry to hear about your daughter, that’s horrific and i can’t imagine the pain you went through. As for recipes. Pinterest is the best way to find easy to make recipes that are cheap. Buy bulk nuts, grains, seeds, granola and flour and you can do anything 👍🏼 I hope that helps.
20:00 "I think that a lot of what's wrong with killing humans is we have dreams and ambitions" I had depression for almost 15 years, in those years i had no dreams or ambitions, I just wanted to sleep and stay indoors, i couldn't even enjoy my life, does that mean killing me was okay?
You could make an argument that yes, your life was probably quite pointless and justified being killed. I imagine you were leeching off the system and contributing absolutely nothing to society?
Dragon Fiend humans only care about other humans that look and think like them. Otherwise there wouldn’t ever have been genocide or war. As for other species, male hippos literally eat their children for no reason. Most predators are very territorial and will kill opposing members of their species.
Of course not. He's just trying to find an argument. I'm so damn tired of people trying desperately to justify killing. It's something I always thought we all agreed on.
Thank you so much Ed for showing this video. The student was struggling to back up his argument about eating meat. The student was off topic most of the time but I appreciate that Ed is very patient and listened to the views from the student.
@Southy Inspirational speakers are not a new thing though. When I was in school we had presenters that were paid money to talk about their experiences and what they've learned. Someone killed someone while they drove drunk. That wasn't a waste of time. That was a valuable learning experience for most of us. And I don't know a single vegan that would go to a homeless shelter to criticise serving meat. Necessary sustinence > veganism. I understand that places like that don't have much and are trying to pack as much nutrients/calories per dollar that they can. Homeless people aren't eating for taste they're eating to survive.
@Southy Southy...I like you. This Ed guy only does this for money and martyrdom...he is all about fame and his ego. Same with that criminal Joey...drug using, violent piece of shit. Both of them are militant assholes with a following of some of the most mindless, spineless, dickless drones I have ever seen. Little do all these idiots know that animal usage is why they live in a modern world. They only concern themselves with the diet aspect but they want to keep it hush hush when using animals for other products they indulge in. Furthermore, they can offer no substitutes...and guess what...they NEED non vegans, the very people they hate, to keep providing them their luxuries, conveniences and necessities. It is absolutely hysterical to me..and also...so obviously hypocritical on their stance for using such animal products when most of them are not needed for life. They offer nothing more than an ideology with absolutely zero action. Worthless pieces of shit.
@Southy Why are people responding to you. Ed actually has his own restaurant company and uses his spare time to campaign. Lack of knowledge and understanding.
@Mark Donald I have searched but found no new articles stating he did not assault that woman while she was unconscious - on the ground, behind a dumpster. If you have other data, please share it. If not, where are you getting your alternate story?
@Mark Donald sorry but I read lots of interviews. She ALWAYS said she did not remember. But there were witnesses that stopped him. 3rd party, objective witnesses. I question this, as should you. She woke up bloodied and confused. Does not sound like consensual sex, either. Who has 'consensual' sex with an unconscious stranger, on the ground, behind a dumpster...?
Once he brought up the argument that humans have dreams, aspirations etc. He's basically naming the trait of intelligence. What about a human with low iq and no ability to plan for the future? Would have been interesting to hear his response because to be morally consistent he would have said yeah its okay to kill that human.
I suppose it‘s because killing humans is already illegal and considered morally wrong…I guess he would just get to a point of inconsolable disagreement which he tries to avoid
Exactly. Was browsing comments with the intention of saying just that, that there are many humans in conditions of not being able to plan for their future or with very low mental capacity, so how could you possibly justify harming them in any way because of that?! You can't, just like you can't justify harming animals in any way. Ed did put an example of a human wrong, but there were many other instances where he could have as well that would have made the perfect argument and didn't.
Asleep?! You’re way too nice. I prefer to say the person is down right stupid, brainwashed, brain dead, greedy, selfish, blood thirsty waste of a human being!
@@lynseydoan8094 I think that's a bit too harsh. Firstly, u never met him in person. He maybe way nicer when he is not debating. U can't 100% tell a person's personality from a video. Tho he does seem very narrow minded, but u have to understand that he was brought up like that
And if you read that study it is clear that the rats are actually thinking about it. It does seem like there's a dilemma for them, which is illustrated by the fact that the rats that were saved from drowning chose to save other rats quicker. Why would that be the case if they weren't thinking and that the reason they took longer is they had less experience to inform their thought and so it was a harder thing to rationalize without that experience. They don't have a language, but humans often visualize and recall images and feelings instead of using language to formulate their thoughts. Many animals do the same.
I know right, he was literally trying to throw anything out there, because he internally knew he was incorrect, but wanted to justify his actions to continue on. At this point at least admit you know it's wrong, but you just don't care about animals.
Kaitlyn I don’t actually think he thinks he was incorrect. I think his point of view is that the burden of proof should be on why not to eat meat instead of why to eat meat. His opinion was that he’s not convinced not to eat meat. He should be able to do what he wants, unless you’re willing to incarcerate or kill him over it. I think the further from wartime and nature we are, the less we realize how natural eating meat really is. Mammals eat other mammals, it’s not unnatural, generally speaking it’s a technological shortcut to amino acids and protein. India for example has highest rates of veganism and heart problems. It is only correlation, but would be interesting to find a causal link.
As I have said before, how will the Vegan revolution stop ALL people from eating meat? Vegans and nonvegans cant even stop people eating sugar, salt and from smoking. I have watched many pro vegan vids, in my opinion your hearts are in the right place but turning the entire world population into vegans....its not going to happen.
That's 99% of people who are obsessed with debates. They want to win and make the other person look stupid. Like youtube and reddit debates are stupid, because whoever gets the most likes "wins" and not the person with the better arguments.
I find debate interesting. I sat down and wanted to hear if Ed could convince me I was wrong. The fact is, we have different values, and there is little a 30 minute debate could do to fundamentally change either of our worldviews.
Strangely enough the videos and pictures of what happens in slaughter houses wasn’t enough for me. Yes it appealed to me emotionally, but logically there was something missing, I wanted to know more. My girlfriend is vegan and has been introducing me to vegan foods which I never thought could be so filled with flavor and healthy to a person as well as the environment. This video is the cherry on top for me, I needed to here this it’s what i was looking for and I’m ready to start my Vegan journey. I doubt people will read this but thank you for making me self reflect.
How can the images and videos of what happens to animals in slaughter houses not be enough for you to go vegan?! But instead after knowing Vegan dishes can taste good, you go Vegan?! You have some soul searching to do.
He's also talking only about TIME when the biggest issue is the suffering caused to the animals we eat. Unless he wants to claim that being stuck in traffic 5 seconds longer causes you an amount of suffering that if only you were to add it up enough times, it would basically be the same as getting your throat slit. If he really believed that, I have a solution. Just put some good music on your car and enjoy those 5 fucking seconds. :D
"You're basing your argument on the fact that animals can even be victims" Well duh, they're victims! The point is we don't need to consume them. Which means they're just dying in huge amounts for nothing.
But if you deny an animal(besides the human species) to be able to be a victim. then they arent victims. xD Its a more confusing way to say "I want to ignore whats going on here and keep doing what i used to do."
@@MqKosmos You can deny anything and anyone of anything but it does not mean it doesn't exist. Just because you deny a victim to not be a victim doesn't make them any less of a victim. But I can get what you mean, how someone's view can portray them as not being victims. But it still doesn't change the fact that they are victims, just in that view of the person they're not. So a view point an actual fact are two different things.
I'm honestly glad I never sat down to publicly debate a vegan when I was a non-vegan because I cringe so hard now at the things I thought and said about veganism
You aren't looking too healthy in the pic Megan...have a look at Sveriges vid to see vegan deterioration. Stop now before you ruin your health n looks.
That was genuinely painful to watch. I just don’t understand that level of poor justification. Surely he can’t even truly convince himself with that kind of thinking.
The thing is he is picking at straws... His only real drive to justify it retains in the part of his brain that enjoys the experience of eating meat. He's a meat junkie.
P I believe it or not, a lot of people cannot thrive without meats and eggs in their diet in a balanced way. Of course we should all try our best to buy local, organic and grass fed animals instead of factory farmed bullshit. If you want to be vegan totally fine but you need to acknowledge different diets that people do better on.
@@CrispyChickenSkin Most people that claim to not have the ability to be healthy on a vegan diet are those that don't actually try and have chosen to create an excuse before ever actual doing it.
"How do you compassionately cause harm to that animal when harm does not need to be caused to that animal?" "Well um..... you can at least say I'm sorry.." 😂😭😭😭😅 my jaw DROPPED Ed's face 😂😂 he was trying so hard not to laugh 💀 are you kidding me?
So, with part of his argument, if a person is really good to everyone else in their life then they aren’t really a bad person if they only beat their spouse.
He is regurgitating what he has been taught by the educated fools he has been trained to look up to rather than opening his eyes and mind to observe and question the world around him.
@StanIs there any trait of a human that justifies violence towards another? i.e. Colour of skin. Similarly, is there any trait of a non human animal, that if true of a human, would justify pulling a knife across their throat?
I love how 25 mins in that student is so utterly defeated... Just stuttering for any kind of possible argument 😂 You've tried to debate Veganism against Ed - you lost the second you sat down....
"so you're saying that having a slave in nineteen hundreds is morally neutral" "well I'm not saying... " "but based on your arguments you think so" boy thinking "oH sHiT I FuCkEd Up"
I've been binging all your debate videos. Weird how everyone uses the same arguments. Best of all is how people call Veganism a religion/cult, whilst most of the people you interview always claim their "right to kill" from religion. Makes you think
@@lbeschrich people always say "well morality in the bible..." as if they can't make they're own morals. It is true yhat Western civilization would not exist without Jedeo-Christian values, but I guess humans can't have good morals without a rulebook. You can't debunk their religion in their eyes so they can justify anything.
Carnism is a religion. Both are violent ideologies that only exist through indoctrination. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JejMMBCV4j4.html
Just because I have integrity doesn't mean that you can completely discount my points. Most arguments have holes in them, I was pre-empting the holes that I knew people would see.
His argument made no sense at all, I was just face palming throughout the whole video. Thank you for doing what you do, Ed. Wish I was able to debate as well as you
His argument are some of the higher level arguments out there. People who really study theory of mind have disagreements about whether animals have consciousness or deserve moral consideration. I happen to think his arguments are wrong, but they made sense. People in carnist echo chambers will fall all over each other to agree with Peter Carruthers. It's convenient that one philosopher gives them a reason to disagree with all the others. The problem I have is they approach it from a burden of proof, where to them the vegans have the burden of proof to show that animals suffer, and if you cannot 100% prove it, then they don't have to give animals moral consideration. I completely disagree. If you look at it from the animal's perspective, then the burden of proof is on the one who wants to enslave, castrate, experiment on, and fillet other animals to prove they do not deserve moral consideration.
@@TXRhody But is it lying. Check our Sveriges vid on some vegans. There's video proof. You can see it with your own eyes. And the ironic thing is as I see it veganism like religion is based on lies. I am a fair person and if I could see any truth id say so. In fact if you can give me one truth I'll go vegan for two months or so. Name one truth and ill eat my pants live on youtube. By the way truths are facts. That's the definition. Not opinion. A opinion can go either way.
Dog fighting is f all to do with not being vegan. Eating meat is killing animals for the purpose of consumption. Bringing up dog fighting is the most pathetic attempt to slate a meat eater. Like, oh your pro-choice? How would you feel if I shot 30 pregnant women in the womb cuz that’s the same thing right?
Send dog pics I know what he was doing, it’s still a silly argument. The problem with dog fighting is that animals are being harmed for human entertainment purposes not for consumption, where they serve a purpose. I wouldn’t be okay with cow fighting, chicken fighting or sheep fighting. Yet I’d happily eat a steak, chicken breast or lamb shank.
Send dog pics eating food isn’t a form of entertainment. I’ve never eaten a steak and felt entertained. Hunting is a form of entertainment, but still serves a purpose as the animal that was killed will be eaten. Dog fighting is just disgusting.
@Send dog pics Completely agree that industrial farming is a disgusting thing. But we are so overpopulated that it is the only way to feed people. Not everyone can afford to go to a local farm and buy meat and for some it doesn't make sense when supermarkets have it much cheaper. I myself only eat meat with my dinner. My lunch and breakfasts are vegan. I support the movement of veganism but I think the approach of some activists is unhelpful and if anything has the opposite affect to what is intended. Arguments with no correlation such as dog fighting don't benefit either side and its just ed trying to show that he's a better person.
And we can be reprogrammed not to eat meat, I don't think it's enough to make a protest, we need to eliminate some of the vegan foods for our health (salt, soy, and gluten) and be vegan like that, that's my argument. Simplistic diets don't work.
He's a follower. He can't bring himself to question society. He is desperate for order. This guy will never get in trouble at work, he's gonna have a very nice, boring life. But that type of mind is inflexible in times of chaotic change. This type of mind will be prone to accept conspiracy theories to explain large, changing events, such as we saw in the wake of the JFK assassination and the 9/11 attacks.
Wtf it’s totally fine to go in a debate and lose it and then say words like “uh oh ehm” Isn’t that a good outcome for Ed? Idk why’d you make fun of that. Very childish
Really? He was winning the argument... 1 human life is worth more than all the cows in the world. Cows, pigs and chickens are not essential no anything, without us consuming them, they would probably go extinct. Also, most vegans are a bunch of statists that don't respect private property. Jesus save us from the vegan agenda
@@Qweertyyuiiop If one human life is more important than all cows in the world then I guess it would be wise to cut down on meat consumption anyway, since with the way animal agriculture affects our Earth it will eventually kill off ALL humans, not just one. Wouldn't want to hurt any humans, after all. And the assertion that cows, pigs, and chickens would all be extinct without humans is... stupid. They existed before us and I'm sure they will exist after us. Sure, without humans breeding them in such high numbers the population will drop but that doesn't mean extinction. None of your original comment made sense, please... learn how to critically think, or just don't reproduce. We don't need more of you on here writing dumb comments that normal people have to read and cringe at.
@@misakistalker maybe he means that it benefits all moral agents thanks to a much lesser negative impact on the environment? Or perhaps health benefits? The claim that animals aren't rational is very out of date. Not only complex cognitive abilities, but also morality, has been studied on many species of animals the last couple of decades and the results always move us into realizing that they are much more complex, in both intelligence, emotions and behavior, than previously thought. In any case, the whole argument is begging the question. Why should morality be that which benefits, and only benefits, moral agents? What about non-agent moral patients?
@Thumper Clean kills do exist, however, they are the exception to the rule. With our huge demand for animal products factory farming is the norm. They are 4 walls of horrors. Regarding a clean, "suffering-free" kill I would ask you: if I killed you would you consider that a form of suffering? Presuming you have an interest in continuing to live?
@@Quincycle think about like this if it is going to be my life to be used then I don't mind since I'm a animal with no real value to contribute much to the future of humanity
@@fnsn3569 Is it really that complex of a comment....? You're removing options that people could use and filter out later in their life by calling it "carcinogenic and toxic."
@@fnsn3569 Just to further elaborate your comment is the equivalent of discouraging a heavy smoker from moving onto e-cigs which are still unhealthy but infinitely less bad then actual cigs.
It impresses me more and more each time how knowledgeable, patient, logical, respectful and articulate Ed is. He is never left without a reply and the way he phrases everything is so clear, informative and thought provoking. Especially for his age. I admire and I am grateful for his restless activism and education.
Brad not sure if you’ll see this comment but honestly take you so much for sitting on that chair and talking to ED. I appreciate you doing that and even though you aren’t vegan right now I hope in the future you change and become vegan! We will always welcome you in this movement💫
@@0BradCraft0 You did good. Veganism is just a brainless cult. Meat is essential to our health. Veganism is the slave diet that will deteriorate health, and cognitive function.
Greg Arius Obv a troll comment but I’ll entertain this. 1) He did not do good. Constantly contradicted himself and was unable to defend his actions. 2) Meat is not essential. Some of the healthiest people in the world don’t eat meat. 3) A whole food plant based diet does not cause brain damage.
While I'm watching, I'm noticing my facial expressions and my body language become negative as Bradley talks. And I'm gauging how little Ed shows that he is frustrated. This is so informative to watch and reflect on how I know I'd be responding. Thank you for your work Ed, I sincerely appreciate it.
I went vegan because of health and I have definitely thought about breaking it and going back but the more I learn and research it the more I am convinced to stay vegan. Your videos help, a lot. 8 months in & a lifetime to go!
the thing about that is steaks from the animals don't love the consumer back since it is an intrusive violation, whereas eating a piece of fruit welcomes and appreciates being eaten because it is designed by nature that way to spread the zoochory seed of the host tree for instance so it's mutualistic@@bobthehedgehog7529
To be fair, he got into an ivy league school, which is no easy process. He's probably more capable than most people in the comments here, and that includes myself.
@@telxtaylor That's true, but some of the dumbest people I've heard speak have come from some of these prestigious American schools. Some definitely belong there, others make me wonder if there hurting their school's credibility as a student/alumni.
@@venus_envy probably cause they know the rep of the school and feel they must know more than other people, when he probably hasn't actually given the subject much thought
Bradley: "I'd say it's okay if the pleasure is greater than the harm to the person" Then Ed rips him apart beautifully. Brad the man stumbles and falls hard after. He has no idea what he's even talking about, lmao. Nice win, Ed. Send that boy back home.
Props to Bradley for trying so hard, I wouldn't have been able to do better than him. Problem is veganism makes so much sense that you are forced to come up with absurdities to try and justify eating animal products. I wish I was as well spoken and quick thinking as Ed. He just naturally flows into his arguments with seemingly no effort. #goals I guess!
Your brain doesn't function properly due to a lack of proper nutrition. You're backing the wrong horse. And your vegan lifestyle is actually creating environmental damage greater than you'll ever realise
@@Labanditchburn Ahahahah! I checked out your channel! Respect for giving up drink and drugs. That's no easy stuff man. I can assure you my bloodwork came out fine :D so yeah, none of that bullshit, doc! Now could you point out for me some sources on how a plant based diet is more harmful to the environment than any other diet? All my research points to different conclusions. Mind though, I'm not a vegan because of the environment.
I think it's interesting that he wanted to hear Ed's arguments first, but it most definitely is also a 'pseudo-intellectual' thing to answer questions with more questions. Initially, it appears like he's trying to get the upper hand on Ed simply because of the "i'm an Ivy league student" and you're not. Of course, I'm making presumptions but they don't seem far off since he admitted to using another authors argument instead of speaking from his own mind 🤷🏼♀️
@@shannonsweeney5404 I think the fact he admitted he used an authored argument means he is more chill than you think. Why make assumptions about anyone you dont know?
s B lol sounds like I hit a sensitive spot didn’t I? If you think this reply of mine is ‘rude,’ you need to buckle up. This is simply my observation and me making parallels to the same attitude and demeanor I saw of educated white males in all of my college courses. Just because I said what I said in the comments here about my initial reactions to Bradley’s arguments does not mean this is how I handle myself in in-person conversations about veganism.
s B using authored argument is fine in support of a position but when you’re using it to answer a direct-question instead of your own original thought...? I have to wonder....
@@0BradCraft0 well done for actually sitting down and having the conversation. Looking back on it, have your views or opinions changed at all, or are they still the same?
this reminds me of the Depak Chopra and Dawkins debate. This student seems to be spitting out some kind of random nonsense word salad of nothing in every response.
Yk what I genuinely appreciate that the guy didn’t get heated or disrespectful, Ed also made sense out of some of his more confusing arguments which was rlly sweet too.
@Southy There used to be millions of slaves in the western culture, but fortunately not anymore. :-) We humans tend to get rid of unmoral practices in time.
Student" "What would your positive argument be for veganism?. Ed: Kills it....Gives an amazing explanation. I would just become vegan on the spot and leave the debate...Nothing can be said after that.
true that, his argument actually swayed me, I used to be against Veganism and now the only part of it I am against is them not being ok with free-range unfertilized eggs... those eggs were produced by happy chickens and they were never going to grow into adult chickens because they were unfertilized, so I don't see any harm to anything by eating these eggs, so I am more on the vegetarian side of the argument but I'd be close to vegan cuz I hate milk and cow products anyways, I just love eggs and if nothing is suffering to get me those eggs why not enjoy them?
@@kodycox6780 I understand your point. But we know that eggs that are used in human consumption are unfertilized , and they would never grow into the grown chicken. They are basically hen's period .That is not the vegan issue with eggs... Hens are bred into existence in hatcheries where male chick are suffocated or killed in a massive blender on their first day of life because they can't produce eggs as they are male.. Those hens that come out of those hatcheries and get bought by farms, are genetically modified to lay 300+ eggs a day, and that takes a toll on their body . When they are about five years old their eggs production drops significantly so they are send to the slaughter house to be killed for meat. Backyard, factory farm, free-range, organic, any term people come to make them self feel better, they all end up in the slaughter house .. Hens natural life span is about 12 years, so their life is cut short significantly ... Also lot of those free range farms were exposed by activists and chicken still live in horrible conditions. One chicken has about a space of one A4 paper. They just not keep them in a cage but they still live in crowded dark warehouses where they can maybe never see the light of day... So by buying " free-range unfertilized eggs" you are supporting: 1. slaughter of make chicks on first day of their life. 2. slaughter of hens at the half of their life span 3. Torture and abuse in farms Hope that this helps you in your vegan journey... I can see that you are almost there and that you understand suffering of animals...
ddjuraOddTuber ddjuraOddTuber ok yes I agree with your viewpoint on eggs from big farms like that and I’m glad you told me about the so called “free range” being sketchy as well but what about if like my neighbor just has some chickens? Like a local dude who wants to give me some extra eggs or if I decided to get my own chickens... there’s no issue with that right? Assuming the local dude has a relatively big area for the chickens and lets them be chickens for a full life...
@@kodycox6780 Cool, glad that you understand. So don't be fooled with those marketing tricks like "free-range", etc... About your neighbor. Are his hens from hatcheries? As that supports torture of hens and killing of male chicks.... Does he let's hens live out their lifespan, or he kills them or sends them to slaughter house for meat? Does he treat his hens as pets, take good care of them, give adequate nutrition, takes to the vet when sick.. Or he is selling his eggs, so he treats the hens as a product? Chicken lose nutrients when they lay eggs, hens have a natural tendency to eat their own eggs to replenish the nutrients that are lost during the egg laying process. Unfortunately, they are not getting the nutrients back if they are fed the cheap feed that is given to them on egg farms and in backyards. So best would be to let the hens eat the eggs they laid, or feed them back to them. So if he is really following the standards i mentioned above, and feeding the eggs back to hens, so they don't lose nutrients and have weak bones. then he can't possibly have eztra eggs to give out...
@@TXRhody nutritionist for professional athletes maybe? why are 99.9% of top athletes on a diet consisting of animal products if it is not optimal for performance
@@meinname5788 vegan gains funnily enough has shit gains perhaps if he replicated diets employed by professional athletes he would see better results. yeah i agree its unethical to needlessly cause harm to HUMANS but other animals nah not so much
I admire your compassion and openness during debates even though you know, you might not change peoples mind. You gave him so much space & freedom to say whatever he wanted and although it may have not resonated with you, you still were able maintain patience and compassion. That’s not only a great representation of vegans, but a model example for all people.
Your logic and compassion amaze me every time! Your videos are what finally made me go from vegetarian to vegan, and also getting into activism (having my first cube this friday!). Thank you so much for your activism and dedication, Ed. Keep doing all your amazing work, I really believe it’s making a difference. Much love from Norway!
SirenElise, congratulations. The world changes ever so slowly, but each person who takes this issue seriously increases the momentum toward a healthier planet and human culture! So happy that you have jumped onto the next stepping stone. -San Diego
@@IbraKhalid_1 His intelect is good enough. emms and errs dont dictate a persons intelect and his arguments show a clear understanding of the topic, his moral view was different (wrognly different) but even with high inteligence, people often take more time and information before they arrive to good conclusions... For many people, accepting veganism as NECESSARY moral choice also requires changing their moral framework, and that is much harder, than just changing your diet. Note the guy said, veganism is morally virtuous and it is the better thing to do.
17:00 Bradley: “well, you are harming someone regardless of what you eat, so don’t try”. Me: hear that kids? Bradley says you should never try anything in life.
@@TheFettuck how is apathy an argument when it's literally meaning you don't give a shit? Domestication - what's the argument? That you domesticated something, therefore we should eat it? Discrimination against plants and fungi? How so? And convenience isn't really an argument either, that's just a cop out, there's no reasoning with someone who chooses meals solely out of convenience.
TheFettuck what? Animals have a brain and a central nervous system, which makes them feel pain, sadness and suffer, that’s something that plants lack off, and that’s the reason why it is morally okay to eat plants and not okay to eat animals. If plants had such a thing like a nervous system or brain, I’m pretty sure we would fin a way to not harm anyone
@@TheFettuck Fact: less plants would die of the world went vegan. 56 billion land animals are killed every year for the meat industry. We have to feed those 56 billion animals plants. Thsre's only 7 billion people on Earth, so yep.
To the student guy: We actually aren’t built to eat meat; if we didn’t go through all the trouble to cook the meat at least 2 times over, we would get very sick and the meat would be hard to chew. To Ed: omgggg u are so respectful and amazing
@@jadedaf-6404 B12 only comes from a bacteria, but the bacteria (and b12) was often found in cows, because food stays such a long time in the cow's stomachs, the bacteria has time to make more b12. However, this bacteria requires cobalt, so it's found in dirt, but cow feed is cleaned and processed nowadays, so the cows no longer get the bacteria. Nowadays, animals get B12 supplements too! It's no different than a vegan taking a b12 pill
@@L454RU5I have read many conflicting studies about whether it is better for your health. I am in fine health at the moment eating meat so will not be changing my diet for that reason. Also, there is nothing to suggest that all of humanity going vegan would be better for the environment, as there is no way to carry out a study to show this. So I will not be changing my diet for that reason. Lastly, fuck the animals. Why are we pretending that animals are some kind of gods that live amongst us and therefore shouldn't be subject to harm?
Incredible display of patience Ed! He doesn’t value an animals life, simple as that. Most people don't want the truth. They just want a constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth
