Brownells WWSD 2020, BRN-180S Upper, BRN-180M Lower - SHOT Show 2020 

This 1000-f*ing-percent, I'm interested in doing a BRN180 build, but I guess I'm going to have to do something like the FAL-10 build with a custom "trianglur" freefloat solid barrel shroud. It was an AR-10 a guy built with a stock made out of pipe to mimic the FAL side folder sketon stock and a triangular handguard to mimic the metal FAL handguard.

You know you want that psa spiker

@@chuckfinley3152 you aren't wrong.

ALL barrels will have a POI shift if hot enough. Said "asshat" was giving the rep a chance to correct his statement so he doesn't cause brownells to get called out when {insert name here} does a 100rd dump and then "while the barrel is still hot" accuracy check on a vise, then finds a .1 MOA shift. He was trying to get the rep to walk his statement into being "yeah a POI shift, but less than the margin of error of almost all shooters" which is realistic and acceptable.

Mine was built with a MkI CavArms lower. I ordered one of the first ones new.

You all prolly dont care at all but does anybody know a trick to log back into an Instagram account?? I somehow lost the password. I would appreciate any help you can offer me.

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@Kendrick Jadiel Thanks for your reply. I found the site thru google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Seems to take a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

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Pauly V is a solid fucking dude.

Yes. The Glock mags of the rifle world.

Only Glock 44 mags.

2 things. 1. Money 2. No desire to do it Simple

@@animalmother556x45 That's pretty much it. I'd love to see somebody remake the AR18 with all stamped parts, exactly like the original, but with STANAG mags.

Because the original Armalite doesn't actually exist anymore, it's name was bought out but that company doesn't have the capability to do this. Even the original Armalite didn't actually manufacture guns, just prototypes, samples, limited runs, and test runs.

Check PSA

Tactic Planner, the charging handle will get pretty hot to touch if you put it wear you described.

I have a upper with a long slot cut into it for a side charger. The way its done now is better the t handle removes less material to work and doesnt open up the system as much.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you tell em, genius!

They moved the trigger charging handle for good reason, they're awkward to use, get hot very quickly, and prevent the use of optics. Anyone who has actually used the T charging handle for a good length of time or has trained enough will tell you it is perfectly usable and doesn't hinder speed at all.

@@robertbogan225 i have 2 side chargers! one right side and one left side, they work just like any other side bolt gun. you dont have to put thge gun done to rack a new mag load in. perfect! the left charge i like better. dont have to move my trigger hand. you can still see out the scope at that darned critter you been missin!! lol.. and tell which way he ran!!

it's a faxon cf

Most of it is pretty cringey

Hey got booted?

The cringe and creepiness is hard to watch.

I like them. Maybe you could stop trying to be a hard-ass operator-wanna-be long enough to have fun, and to like other people?

Without his “I love you” tag line I wouldn’t bath as often so there’s that. 😊

Working Guy lol it’s just like Adam Corolla said, “In 50 years we’ll all be chicks!” I see in your case, the diagnosis was a little late. Not being told “I love you” by an overweight trucker looking dude on the internet does not an operator make

Good.

I think length is slightly limited by the piston parts.

David J ...... that C/H is also the bullet reflector........designed by Stoner himself All Black Rifles Matter .

The upper is already an extrusion which is, for all practical purposes, very similar to a forging.

Faxon makes a 20” pencil too, you can buy one online, nothing new. WWSD upper is just a bunch of preexisting parts.

@@Assault0137 that's true

They've already done that. It's called a AR10.

The point was making a rifle according to the requirements for the 5.56 rifle.

@@stevencooper399 For sure . That's why he teamed up with Reed Knight / KAC and developed the SR25 . The SR25 is Stoners ideal Rifle . Even if Stoner were to still be alive . I'd like to think he would of gone with barrel like the BCM ELW HF for 5.56N . He would of for sure gone with Chrome plated Bolt / BCG. Even the original SR25 had LMT Chrome plated Bolt / BCG. No way would he gone with Polymer Lower . The Milspec 7075 T6 has been through hell and back . My ideal WWSD would be BCM RECCE 14 ELW BFH with MCMR13 , Pinned Comp Mod 1 and LWRCI IC LOWER .

@@seanwhite304 Just being a smart ass sean.

mlok actually serves a purpose and adds minimal weight to the system. The forward assist does almost nothing outside of certain rare/niche uses, and adds weight and complexity. It's also a failure point that can lock up the gun, and if you accidentally fire the weapon when it is depressed (such as resting against a wall) you can kaboom your rifle. Stoner was right, it's an unnecessary addition.

I like to use the forward assist when I administratively load a rifle. My HD rifle gets loaded and unloaded a lot. Letting the bolt slam home bounces the firing pin off the primer each time, which can knock a small bit of priming compound off the cup. Over time, it can deactivate the primer. So I hand load a round into the chamber, ease the bolt forward, then press the FA. Same goes for loading a rifle quietly.

The thumb sized cutout on the side of the bolt is for... what do you know...your thumb to close the bolt, which can be done quietly...

@Bobby Alan I just explained to you what use it has.

@@pledgegamer no, it can be used that way, but it's not "for" that. It's "for" opening the dust cover.

Apparently im a “retread” or “familiar” even though i just joined there lol. definitely no love GD, gotta put your big boy pants on in there lol

Chuck Finley Heh! It’s the admins, that need big boy pants.

stjjames definitely, looks like brownells has locked down a lot since the old days i used to lurk

The mods at Arf.com are jackasses and will ban you for the most ridiculous thing

16 inches. Ian and Karl answered some questions about wwsd 2020 on the inrangetv channel.

@@asherterry7173 hmmmmmm... I'm not sure how I feel about that...

This is complete bullshit. The BRN-180 upper fits an AR-15 lower. This lower fits the BRN-180 upper, so it is absolutely not designed to fit an AR-180b upper.

SMACK1978 kinda a different market, unless the only markets you see are “AR15” and “Not AR15”

Pretty sure someone else does that already look up Hill Mac Gunworks sturmgewher

@Dylan Draper I would go even shorter! You can always add plates like the Magpull or Thordsen. I have an A1 set up for a retro build. This would allow you to set it up for winter, body armor, short arms or guys like me! All of my rifles are set up the same and it is shorter than my G.

@Dylan Draper A1 I believe is something like 12.75 or so. But, that s fixed stock? WWSD, he would be ok with adjustable. So the easiest way to accomplish a super tough stock like they designed and make it ajustable is spacers, The tube itself, I believe, is carbine length. From trigger to butt for my G is 13, my A1 is a little over 12.5 all my adjustable stocks are 11.5 to 12 depending. Yes, the 1/2 to 1 inch does make a difference to me. These are all set for summer no vest. My vietnam buddy likes the A1 style but he shoots bladed I shoot more squared off butt in the pocket style. So yes you can adjust to your hearts delight with most adjustables but you pay a price if you like running vehicles over them, LOL.

These stocks are moulded to A1 length, they had a whole press conference on it, so it is the perfect length of pull.

@@troyweatherford2428 4 U. Not 4 me. And I do not care if they had a bar mitzvah! PS I watch Infozone religiously, I love their hard work but that s their opinion. I have over 7,000 hrs as an elite trainer, I am a Chiropractic Dr., I have papers to teach from my Master(over 20yrs of training), I was a top ten formula 4 motorcycle racer and a semi pro soccer goalie etc etc and 4 me this is longer than I prefer while wearing summer clothes regarding my biomechanics. That s my experience and what my experimentation taught me. I am sure either of them can out shoot me regardless of length of pull. But I m sure I could observe their motion and make them faster and smoother. I ve been through this with Thordsen customs, I love his products, one size does not work in my opinion and experience.

@@johnL-xk2js what are you, 4 foot 5? The A1 length of pull is just slightly longer than the absolute shortest stock setting on milspec collapsible stocks.

Lol

For the price why not go carbon fiber? I see a buffer tube for 200 and a pistol grip for 90. Both carbon fiber and will drop the weight of a full metal one. Plastic and polymers have been knocking around since the 50s and still kind of suck.

@@robertbogan225 Probably due to the simple fact that making it out of carbon fibre, right, would cost a hell of a lot more, because you can't just make some moulds and inject carbon fibre into it. To get strong carbon fibre, you need to lay it up like sheets of fibreglass. Due to the complex shape of the receiver, and the nature of laying carbon fibre sheets? It cannot be done by a machine. It would need to be built like a carbon bicycle frame. Individual sheets of carbon fibre, laid on an buck, have the resin laid on, another sheet of carbon, etc. And human labour costs a hell of a lot of money. Before you say it, yes, Tegra arms made a "carbon reinforced lower receiver", which was basically a nylon, with carbon fibre fill, instead of glass fibre. Which really changed nothing. At that point, it was basically just using the Carbon as a buzzword to generate interest. Carbon as a fill material isn't going to generate any appreciable strength difference than glassfibre. For the price? A carbon lower, made right? Would probably cost in excess of $400 alone. Note: This is all based off of a 2 minute google search. If someone is making a proper carbon lower receiver, or if someone has started making a machine that can lay carbon properly for a complex shape like a bike? Fill me in.

@@dposcuro it needs a customs molds. And people with experiance working on it. Ive seen the complex shapes carbon fiber is being used to make. Their are youtubers who show themselves making carbon fiber car parts. From what ive read and seen it doesnt like to be cut so drilling holes and shaping it is complicated. Also newfrontier armory has carbon fiber fill on their polymer lower. Price? 22.99$

@@robertbogan225 And this is why InRange isn't using the New Frontier lower: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7-hrLr-p8uI.html And yes, RU-vidrs are making their own, one off car parts with carbon fibre. They aren't however, trying to mass produce carbon car parts for sale. You COULD make a Carbon Fibre lower, using sheet carbon, and laying it up like they do with a carbonfibre bicycle, which would be very light, and VERY durable. But that is literally only possible right now by having people cutting carbon fibre fabric, and laying it onto forms and moulds, one piece at a time, and then pressing it/impregnating it with resin. This is very different than an injection moulded composite material like carbon-reinforced nylon. Just because something is made out of carbon fibre, doesn't make it strong. It matters HOW the carbon fibre is used. The shredded fibres used in carbon-nylon, do not interlace in any organized fashion. They have gaps and voids where it is just nylon. They are stronger than just nylon, but probably no stronger than glass fibre or kevlar reinforced nylon.

like a beretta arx ? or a ARAK21?

@@Perry2186 yeah kinda. My gripe with the arx is its too bulky. The idea with the ar15 is its slim and trim and an everything carbine.

No need, the ejection pattern of the AR15 already makes it usable for left handed shooters.

@@troyweatherford2428 useable and perferd are 2 different things same as I could hit a nail with a wrench it works but not perferd

@@troyweatherford2428 unusable?

They say they will have just the lowers on sale too, for around 100. For what you get with it the price is quite reasonable. Yeah if you bought the parts on sale and custom built it would be cheaper, but you have to spend time and do not get a warranty.

Yes.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Py6gMdV5uKY.html

I hope not. This one is 3D printed. The production should be glass filled nylon he said.

@@caleb2187 Correct. It's a prototype. Although it would probably be capable of shooting, it could break quickly and isn't intended to be used.

Smoke composites makes a carbon fiber buffer tube and it doesnt need "reinforcement"

I'm seeing this kind of comment enough I'm wondering how many people miss the fact that the lower here is a prototype lower?

@@Lv-sl3rm I know. It's a little disappointing, really.

Why not use .300 with a 12.5" Barrel?

@Phillip Cameron curious, why do you say that?

The lower in this video (as stated in the video) is just a nasty 3D printed mock up made of god knows what polymer. The production lower (as stated in the video) will be fiber glass reinforced nylon.

It's a 3d printed mock-up.

It has been about keeping it legal for everyone thus far. Karl and Ian don't seem to gravitate toward boutique rounds at all, and - living out in the middle of the desert - see little need for shorter platforms. Even what the WWSD is, but as a 11.5" pistol-build, would be lighter and handier, but that doesn't fit distance-shooting in the desert, nor maintain the FPS (for 5.56) that Karl expects for long-distance AR-15 shooting (which he used to compete in). I think that, for the most part, it's just biases that the two have toward moving away from the norm, and the fact that they are just entering the market with a new product. Remember, Glock was only 9mm at the start, but the added calibers as they grew. Are you sure a 12.5 6.8 SPC would be lighter than a Faxon ultra-light pencil barrel though? That doesn't sound right.

Main reason is it's less common and requires more proprietary stuff (bcg, mags). Pretty sure they discuss cartridges in one of the WWSD videos. You certainly could build one in 6.8 spc though. I'm putting one together that is loosely based on the wwsd concept but in 7.62x40WT. My main takeaway from the series was, lightweight barrel, being mindful of the weight of the essential components, not adding a bunch of unnecessary crap. A family member built a wwsd type rifle using the M4E1 upper / lower (couldn't locate a mk2), faxon pencil, faxon light bcg, adjustable gas block, fixed magpul stock, aero's 12" mlok free float handguard (the Enhanced line is great, probably adds a little more weight but is rock solid and a true free float), and some brand of nicer trigger (zero idea which one though), with a holosun red dot on top. I don't remember the exact weight but it was very handy and a pleasure to shoot. Weighed less than a 10.5" blackout pistol we were playing around with.

@@workingguy6666 A 12.5 inch pistol is legal every where a standard 16 inch AR is legal. And with 5.56, a 16 inch barrel is better suited ballistically, but with 6.8 SPC, 12 inch is ballistically superior to 5.56 NATO, including long distance shooting. Finally, yes, a 12.5 inch lightweight 6.8 barrel would weigh a few ounces lighter, and 2A Armament has a lightweight receiver set that's lighter than their polymer lower and aluminum upper.

@@colsoncustoms8994 A 12.5 inch lightweight 6.8 SPC with optic and MBUS sights comes in at 4.5 pounds.

@@Megames2012 "polymer lower and aluminum upper" are you factoring in the stock, pistol grip, buffer tube, castle nut, end plate, take down pins? The Palouse-Lite Forged Lower Receiver weighs 7.2 oz. If you added a MOE stock (8 oz) and grip (2.8 oz), buffer tube (3.5 oz), 1.1 oz for the castle nut and end plate, and whatever the take down pins weigh (say .5 oz), you're looking at 23 oz. The older mk2 weighed 21.2 oz. Not sure if the weight will be the same on the mk3, but you get the idea. As for the upper, you could for sure run the 2A upper or something similar if you wanted. Money vs weight savings is actually a pretty big factor to consider too, the Palouse-Lite Forged Receiver Set is 13.1 oz for $235. Their BALIOS LITE GEN 2 RECEIVER SET is 12.3 oz for $559. You're essentially paying $325 to save .8 oz... Same with the mk3, at $150, you're saving the price of the stock, grip, buffer tube, castle nut, end plate and take down pins (mainly the stock and grip, although the other stuff adds up). Palouse-Lite Forged Lower Receiver is $125, plus everything mentioned above, you're looking at around $200. If money's not an issue, you can build a 3 lb 16" ar15. I'd rather have one at 5.5 lbs that is sturdy though personally, or opt for some more features and add a little more weight (the M4E1 upper and hand guard is pretty awesome and rock solid). What barrel are you running on that 6.8 if you don't mind me asking?

Move to a real state

Just kidding hope we can save California. Good luck buddy

Still a good thought experiment though, ended up becoming a nice rifle. I think a light weight 16" 6.5 creedmoor or 308 could be pretty nice too, came concept as the wwsd but in big boy cartridges. Even 243 would be alright. I've been playing around with 130 grain bullets loaded up in 308 and I think with a faster powder, you could get a nice lightly recoiling load dialed in that doesn't kick too bad but would still spank any ar15 cartridges (might have to move up to a higher bc bullet against some of the 6.5 grendel stuff at longer ranges).

The lower shown in this video is just a 3D printed mock-up, as stated in the video. Also as stated in the video, the production version will be fiber glass reinforced nylon.

Why not go with carbon fiber and molds? The cost?

@@robertbogan225 A LOT. Besides the proper tooling for the lower is being built yet, so the lower they have is a stand-in.

Ben Smith stoner only moved on because Armalite had sold the rights to the AR-15 to Colt and they wanted to keep a leg in military contracts

@@sandervanduren2779 Still a better design either way

It appears to be 3-8 degrees more vertical than an A2 grip, which is an improvement

Dino Nucci please explain.

Did multiple people laugh or one SOB.

Please specify. Otherwise I don't believe you.

@@chuckfinley3152 we explained our situation to the 1st CS woman, who did not believe us, scoffed, and put us on a long hold for a manager. We kindly explained to the the 2nd woman and she open laughed. She physically laughed out loud. I have goosebumps typing this with the memory freshened.