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Cleveland Browns HC Kevin Stefanski won the Coach of the Year award over Houston Texans HC Demeco Ryans by one vote. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, James Jones, and LeSean McCoy discuss if this was the right choice, as well as Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson winning his 2nd MVP.
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@SpeakOnFS1 3 месяца назад

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@bmj2k7 3 месяца назад

Are you guys high? 2 MVP and he's a HOF'er? Doesn't make it out the wild card without a bye! And needs a no1 Defense to even win a single playoff game. No one will be mentioning Lamar with Burrow, Herbert or Mahomes. He's Justin Fields with a no1 Defense to carry him. We all know CHI is getting rid of Fields. 4 games Lamar had 0 TD's. Way too many games with 1 TD, 1 INT, 150 yards. Allen, CMC, Purdy all deserved it more than him. Did you guys know, Lamar has almost identical stats to Tyrod Taylor? One's a bust, one's Lamar. It's amazing how quickly people forget how bad Lamar was for about 12 weeks. Bc his stats were also identical to MAC JONES, who got BENCHED! How's that a MVP? He was 15th in yards, with Herbert, Burrow and Cousins out. So a guy whose the 18th best at something is now a HOF? Please don't let the HOF become the Pro Bowl. Bc that's where its heading.

@samuelmunoz1464 3 месяца назад

@@bmj2k7you obviously know nothing about football and just look at stats. Burrow has missed more games than he's played and Allen is a turnover machine. Neither one has a single MVP season between them.

@bmj2k7 3 месяца назад

@@samuelmunoz1464 😂🤣

@tedcasttv6253 3 месяца назад

DO U UNDERSTAND STEFANSKI won 11 games with out his starting QB he started 5 diff qbs, both starting tackles, both starting safety’s, there best all world running back Nick Chubb and won 11 games beat 49ers the ravens excellent job Kevin !!!you earned it buddy congrats

@TheAndre2crump 3 месяца назад

And got crushed in playoffs

@lxb88b 3 месяца назад

Lamar is overrated

@alexjett6638 3 месяца назад

20% of the team on ir

@NegronAngel2828 3 месяца назад

@@TheAndre2crumpit’s a regular season award genius

@Sho-of6ti 3 месяца назад

So Lamar making it to the Championship game is HUGE, but Brock Purdy making it to two straight doesn’t matter if he doesn’t win the Suoer Bowl?

@tankeater 3 месяца назад

Sounds like 21st century White Privilege to me 👍

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

I won't be an idiot. So I will admit. I didn't watch Lamar this season, except for the afcg. Everything I remembered of him came glaring off my screen. Questioning what is it that i'm missing? I watched some niners games. Purdy jumped off the screen in a good way. I really hope the niners pull this out.

@600flo4 3 месяца назад

@@HockeyDudeJames2as someone who watch every ravens Game he was absolutely dominating , especially when his WR wasn’t dropping the ball nd Lamar lost RB1 first game then lost RB2 , and trust me Purdy is great and setting the bar high so they will hate on him cause his checklist is so long lmao , as a Lamar fan get used to it, the more Purdy wins the more they hate it’s disgusting

@crazyhawk201ad 3 месяца назад

Plus brock having better numbers

@SS-yx5hm 3 месяца назад

@@HockeyDudeJames2you and a lot people apparently because if you did and honest with yourself, you would see why LJ8 deserves his second MVP! 😈

@thomaswelcomer8443 3 месяца назад

Funny how the defense gets Soooooooo much credit for the Browns wins, but the "MVP" gets ALL the credit for theirs.... hilarious.

@bcamm3100 3 месяца назад

The browns offense wasn't good and they still won. Mr MVP had a top 5 scoring offense

@davwes8594 3 месяца назад

Lamar got carried by oline and playmakers balling out making circus catches all year, lamars ball placement and accuracy was really bad this year , he had top 5 scoring offense mainly do to his de getting most turnovers in league

@mega1media124 3 месяца назад

Circus catches? 😂😂😂😂

@urasssmine 3 месяца назад

@@davwes8594what game was you looking at. Lamar only had one big game which was his last game of the season. ESPN push the narrative and got what they wanted. Joy just said this was his most successful year. It’s not 2019 he had the most tds, had 4000 + yards and 1,000 plus rushing . He didn’t lead in non of does categories this year

@matthewfarrelly7440 3 месяца назад

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you dont know football @@davwes8594

@dariusjohnson6013 3 месяца назад

Acho is literally paid to just argue.

@rfitzpatrick723 3 месяца назад

Wouldn’t be much of a show if they didn’t pay someone to be a contrarian

@dariusjohnson6013 3 месяца назад

@@rfitzpatrick723 I understand that trust me but he doesn’t even try to dress it up. If they go one way he’s going to go to opposite way just cause even if he doesn’t even have a legitimate argument. bro don’t do no research he just be talking😭😭.

@lawrencemalone-px6qe 3 месяца назад

@@dariusjohnson6013he is the village idiot. James Jones was a solid player and Shady was amazing. Joy has been doing the sports thing a lot longer than Acho and actually is the most unbiased on the show since her fav teams are Miami and Pittsburg she has no dog in the fight most segments. Acho is the lame duck on the show

@reesecooper6433 3 месяца назад

I swear

@zj4008 3 месяца назад

That’s every single sports talk show😂

@LastAlmasty 3 месяца назад

So much hate for the Browns, it's funny they can't help themselves other than Acho. Everyone of them picked the Browns to finish last in the division, now Joy is saying the Browns were 'expected to go to the playoffs' SMH Missing 3 starting tackles along with Chubb, and countless other injuries....come on now, don't make it sound like this Award was a shame for Stefanski, not to mention the AFC North is miles harder competition than the South.

@ybmsimba2410 3 месяца назад

MAJOR 🧢🧢🧢🧢. Nobody thought the browns would finish last in that division. Everyone said Pittsburgh would because they don't have a QB. Almost every prediction I saw before the season had the Browns in the playoffs🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣 now we trying to re-write history. The Texans were one of the most banged up teams all year so miss me with that. The literally played with 4.. count em.. 4!!! of their starters on the offensive out for almost half the season so again miss me with the missing tackles... 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣 bruh they were missing the entire line😂 Good job Stefanski but nah he's not coach of the year. Also your division had a team with no QB in Pittsburgh and a Burrow-less Bengals team. Yeah that's some real tough competition 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@LastAlmasty 3 месяца назад

@@ybmsimba2410 Literally Shady, Joy and James picked the Browns last at the beginning of the season,

@Schlub14 3 месяца назад

Yep they flip flop and change their arguments based on who they like.

@kennytpg3529 3 месяца назад

@@ybmsimba2410man you gotta go back everybody had the browns in last on this show on nick wright and Chris broussard show the one show with the old white dude on fox everybody pat Mac show you trying to rewrite history

@KevinSmith-qd8sm 3 месяца назад

@@ybmsimba2410you big cap smh they literally said it on more than one occasion the browns were going to finish last

@MDRIAS199840 3 месяца назад

Dude had joe Flacco averaging 30 at one point I can’t cap. It’s a regular season award. So man it wasn’t just defense. It’s a close one though man.

@samz102007 3 месяца назад

Let’s be real here, let’s not pretend the entire NFL didn’t think the browns were cooked when they lost the best offensive player on their team in week 2. Stefanski deserved it

@AlecWelsh-ut7cc 3 месяца назад

Nah Demarco Ryan's did

@Benjamin-fc9ww 3 месяца назад

Completely agree

@williamhoward3926 3 месяца назад

Yea when you think about it they could have easily had the same season as the jets

@ybmsimba2410 3 месяца назад

@@AlecWelsh-ut7cc🎯🎯🎯

@travisealy3512 3 месяца назад

I don’t think it’s about who deserves it but more so about showing both coaches had amazing szns

@charliemirus4124 3 месяца назад

Coach Ryans knew what he was going to have coming into the year. Cleveland lost its starting previous pro-bowl QB, and then they lost their starting running back. Is coach of the year about overcoming expectations or overcoming obstacles?

@Shantanano 3 месяца назад

Lamar will get another MVP, but he needs to make it to a Bowl. He will.

@CrookedJoeBiden 3 месяца назад

Only way Lamar wins a Super Bowl is if he’s committed to being the best athlete on the field, a dual threat, the most dynamic player in the game. If he keeps trying to be Peyton Manning when he’s in the playoffs he’s cooked.

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

If only he wasn't a Superbowl choker

@HomerunsamSOSA 3 месяца назад

@@maskedman5657how is he a choker and hasn’t been there. Yet.

@truthbearer7891 3 месяца назад

They wont give him another MVP until he gets a ring unless he has a season with some of the most gaudy numbers in NFL history on top of going something like 15-2. So more than likely the earliest he can get another MVP is the 2025 season if he wins it all next year. That's why the next 2 years he could have a chance to even catch up to Mahomes in the argument for best QB of this generation even if he's 3 rings behind after Sunday. And dont let the 49ers win or Lamar could catch Mahomes altogether over the next 2 years by getting 2 rings and a 3rd MVP.

@newtonobeng5130 3 месяца назад

But imagine if Lamar plays half of what Peyton was with his athletic ability he’d be in a SB Lamar should strive to throw imo

@kkuo90 3 месяца назад

I love how this show has so much raw and genuine discourse from friends. Good content as always Speak squad.

@peacemaker9279 3 месяца назад

Nick Chubb, Deshaun Watson, Jack Concklin, Jed Wills , Dawand Jones, Rodney Mcdloud , Grant Delpit , Dustin Hopkins , Anthony Walker .... and in sure theres more im missing. thats all the injruies browns had . Yall acting like they had a couple . Acho understands . They got COTY right

@ybmsimba2410 3 месяца назад

They didn't. The Texans had more injuries. The most players on IR this year. 4 starting linemen got hurt in the pre-season and missed almost half the season but since we naming people. CJ missed games, Pierce, Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Jimmy Ward(starting SS), Steven Nelson(starting CB), all 3 starting LBs missed time, Will Anderson and Greenard are the 2 best pass rushers on this team and both missed multiple games and were still banged up when they came back. Noah Brown, we had to sign and bring in like 3 different offensive linemen off the couch throughout the season because the line was so banged up 🤦🏾‍♂️🤣. I'm quite sure I'm missing a few too but yeah you get my point. Had had just as many if not more injuries, with a rookie QB, a rookie OC with a team that had only won 11 games in 3 years. Demeco=COTY

@Frost11511 3 месяца назад

@@ybmsimba2410brutal casual take.

@djquik182000 2 месяца назад

@@ybmsimba2410they absolutely did not. Browns lost a crucial player EVERY WEEK. Texans had a fully healthy team vs what amounted to a wounded duck team in the playoffs.

@ybmsimba2410 2 месяца назад

@@djquik182000 The Texans were nowhere near fully healthy.... AT ANY POINT last year but ok🤷🏾‍♂️ ingest whatever amount of cope-ium you need to sleep at night🤦🏾‍♂️🤣🤣

@bradleyswann8792 3 месяца назад

Joy is wrong. Once Stroud showed he was a Top 10 QB, the expectations for the Texans at the beginning of the season didn’t matter. The Texans played in the worst division with a relatively easy schedule due to their record last year. What the Browns did with so many backup QBs is unprecedented. And they played in the harder division.

@robinabernathy2829 3 месяца назад

Nah bro. Not with a rookie head coach and winning under 5 games the previous season. That's just the common practice of moving the goal post.

@Firestorm2814Sector 3 месяца назад

Texans had a rookie QB, rookie HC, far inferior roster, no one picked them to win the division AND they won a playoff game. Oh yeah, they BEAT THE DOGSHIT out of the Browns IN the playoffs! So you’re wrong. Stefanski couldn’t lead the Texans to the playoffs 🤷🏾‍♂️

@brandonjackson6323 3 месяца назад

@@robinabernathy2829nah he’s right once you start winning the expectations change it doesn’t matter if you were supposed to win 4 games. Once stroud started winning if they didn’t make the playoffs it would have been a disappointment

@AniS3np 3 месяца назад

Well said I agree cuz they wanna act like not having your starting QB doesn't matter 9/10 when the starting QB goes down what do we all say about that team oh looks like their season is over but this dude won with 5 different QBs that's crazy if you ask me

@gerryfountain319 3 месяца назад

So why did Kyle not win it last year with his 3 rd

@lilmoepal 3 месяца назад

They act like we ain't never seen Mike Vick

@kifley19 3 месяца назад

Vick just gets disrespected. He was 2-4 in the playoffs like Lamar and he made it to the NFC championship. Also, Vick played when QB's weren't protected like they are today.

@lilmoepal 3 месяца назад

@@kifley19 facts!!

@kalvinbaber5484 3 месяца назад

@@kifley19Vick is better

@LastAlmasty 3 месяца назад

Facts...

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Vick was different. I remember watching him play as a kid. Man he was electrifying. He was more accurate and had a stronger arm than Lamar for sure. Once his legs went, he was done plus the off field issues. Lamar missed a big opportunity this year.

@Tyreeceholmes 3 месяца назад

"getting to the championship is a huge deal and he got the one seed so we can't ignore how big of a feat that is that he did it ONCE" Purdy: am i a joke to you?

@enigma13ff 3 месяца назад

I think you mean 49ers.

@TYreLL0416 3 месяца назад

It’s funny that the 49ers and the Ravens earned the number one overall seed in their respective conferences twice in the past 4 seasons but only the Niners made it to the Super Bowl

@glodmack6396 3 месяца назад

The NFC has only 3 teams. The AFC is loaded

@yungkells92 3 месяца назад

neither of them have rings though @@TYreLL0416

@1inchpunisher715 3 месяца назад

@@glodmack6396and?

@hennesseywilliamswilliamst3696 3 месяца назад

I wonder why Acho never took any of his own advice.

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

You know why. He's a hypocrite. Like every speak cast except James

@pakacomilla3123 3 месяца назад

@@maskedman5657😂😂😂😂 yeah okay

@lawrencemalone-px6qe 3 месяца назад

That’s why he is so critical of guys like Lamar. He is so much more talented than Acho it hurts his pride and he comes with this little man complex against him specifically. It’s sad really.

@nickburwell993 3 месяца назад

Acho is the only one that actually watches all the games...everyone else has no idea what the browns actually went through this season. Pretending like the Browns are just "supposed" to be good, that the defense beat the Ravens, and forgetting that the Browns stomped Houston on Christmas eve. Forgetting the Browns were without the starting QB, RB, RT, LT, LDT, MLB, SS, KR/PR, and key backups like RT, LG, WR and FS...AND ALSO HAD TO START 5 QB's!! Just a complete misunderstanding of what actually went on in Cleveland this year.

@duketrippy933 3 месяца назад

Acho is the only one being fair. Everyone else is being biased and emotional. The browns were missing 5 Oline starters at one point + the best RB in football, a top 10 qb, CB1 in and out all year, FS1 in and out all year, FS2 out, SS1 out, MLB1 and DT2 out. To say that most of the team was healthy when they had rookies and players off the couch starting for over half the season is blatantly lying. DeMeco got smoked by the browns in the regular season and the browns fell apart at the worst time but it was bound to happen. 11 wins in the best division with 26% of your cap space on IR is more impressive than taking a 3 win team to a 10 win team in a mediocre division especially when you have the best qb in the draft and the best de in the draft

@brandoscreamo 3 месяца назад

not to mention coty is a REGULAR SEASON award, playoff results are irrelevant

@merrlo713 3 месяца назад

Houston Texans led the league with players on IR this season.

@loststoryproductions 3 месяца назад

They always cheerleading bro 😂

@Sho-of6ti 3 месяца назад

You lose your Running Back when you are a RUN HEAVY team and it doesn’t matter? What is Joy taking about?

@zz-wv2sh 3 месяца назад

firstly i agree browns coach deserved it missing chubb o line having 4 different qbs etc. but in no world is watson a top 10 qb or even close😂

@CatchASide95 3 месяца назад

How many franchises can win with 5 different qbs most would fall apart

@TeoC3000 3 месяца назад

Stefanski was the right choice by seasons end the Browns had 6 defensive starters, 4qbs, the starting RB, the kicker, and the punter out. The voting took place before the playoffs and the browns rolled up 36 points on the Texans who have a defensive head coach playing with no kicker and no punter so they were going for it on every 4th down and going for 2 every time they scored.

@kaikawasumi 3 месяца назад

Exactly. Browns without their starting QB vs Texans without their starting QB & it wasn't close. They got embarrassed. Imagine losing to a team missing QB1, RB1, LT 1, RT1, RT2, LG, FS/SS, kicker & punter, plus more. It's a joke to even consider anybody else.

@kingcollins3965 3 месяца назад

I had Lamar back for 2 years now. But I'm not taking up for him anymore, he had the better team in the AFC championship. And he refused to play like Lamar. Instead he wanted to show everyone he could win throwing, and it was a choke job.

@skaterboi65 3 месяца назад

Chiefs bought that game

@ADUSN 3 месяца назад

Lamar doesn't call the plays.

@kingcollins3965 3 месяца назад

@@ADUSN that's your excuse 😂😂😂😂

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

He's a choker

@TYreLL0416 3 месяца назад

You had his back even after Tennessee smoked them in 2020??

@harmanpabla7315 3 месяца назад

I wonder how these MVP QBs would fare without their top tier defenses

@Benjamin-fc9ww 3 месяца назад

The Ravens offense averaged 28 ppg lol that’ll win you A LOT of games in the NFL. Come on now.

@someguy9301 3 месяца назад

I agree Lamar has had a top 5 defense 4 out of 5 years. He has time though. Rodgers only had a top 5 defense 1 season. He won 1 SB. It was that season. Manning had a top 5 defense for 4 seasons. He won 2 SBs Brady top 5 defense 10 seasons. He won 7 SBs.

@blockbullyrecords5417 3 месяца назад

@@someguy9301No lamar hasn't. Before this year the defense gave up the most 4th qt yards in the last 6 years even with Flacco that is why Flacco was missing the playoffs. In the playoffs lamar has played in after his rookie season the d gave up the most points and yards in the second half of those games. Their pff in the playoffs in the second half is 42 percent. Bruh yall need to stop creating these lies with the media 😂😂😂😂

@someguy9301 3 месяца назад

@blockbullyrecords5417 It's not a lie based on points given up, 4 of his 5 seasons, the Ravens with him, had the top 5 defense. I'm not counting his rookie season where he played half a season. The only thing is he was hurt for a bit and didn't play in the playoffs in 2 seasons. I forgot about that.

@someguy9301 3 месяца назад

@blockbullyrecords5417 , also 4th quarter yards? When is a game 1 quarter and decided by yards? I'm not even saying he's bad. He's actually really good, I just don't think a 2 time MVP with a top defense almost every year needs to play like a MVP in the playoffs, and he hasn't.

@sora4440 3 месяца назад

They bugging saying hes a 1st ballot HoF qb. Hes not even close to the HoF in general yet. He better learn how to consistently throw from the pocket on top of winning a SB or at least have a positive playoff record. Its gonna get harder for him as his athleticism fades. And then you take a look at his stats which are pedestrian when compared to his peers...

@rfitzpatrick723 3 месяца назад

Keep hating. Lamar on the same path as Peyton manning. Just sit back and enjoy greatness and history in the making.

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

Thanks for your common sense. Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs in 3 years with FAR better output than Lamar. He would have never sniffed the HOF if not for his resurgence in Arizona, and it came with him being surrounded by HOF level talent once again. Lamar has always had an excellent defense backing him. Plenty of qbs could win with it

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

@@rfitzpatrick723lmao this may be the stupidest comment I’ve seen. Manning had more productive seasons than Lamar at this point in their careers

@danielcavanagh6411 3 месяца назад

@@rfitzpatrick723what history is that ? That he will have more MVPs then post season wins ?

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Great post 💯

@killz954 3 месяца назад

I’m usually not feeling like Acho,but he’s on point here

@rfitzpatrick723 3 месяца назад

Same, acho usually way out there for me but I agree with his browns take.

@DonBrownII 3 месяца назад

See, this is why a lot of people can never get with Acho

@vernonboudreaux83 3 месяца назад

He aint lying

@chaddon7685 3 месяца назад

Because you disagree with him?

@DonBrownII 3 месяца назад

@@chaddon7685 because he has a long history of outlandish takes that few ppl actually co-sign. I understand his role on this show may be an antagonist role. But most ppl I’ve seen in the comments usually disagree with the majority of his takes. Myself included.

@vacaymcfallin 3 месяца назад

He’s the only one who right most of the time & it’s because he’s objective and not subjective. He’s very brainy instead of all heart. His takes are one of analysis and data vs everyone else talking with their emotions.

@lawrencemalone-px6qe 3 месяца назад

@@vacaymcfallinhe is speaking from a twitter troll comment section stand point. That’s not logical that’s weird

@ricomart1 3 месяца назад

Both picks were wrong Lamar with 36 hundred come on bears quarterbacks can do that looks more like a DEI pick. Mahomes is the MVP. Second Ryan's was hands down the coach of the year winning a playoff game

@MatthewBretton-cu2el 3 месяца назад

Mahomes is also black.. Is your preference also DEI ?

@kelvinmorris3204 3 месяца назад

Damg Joy, if you was talking like that about Brock. We wouldn't call you a HATER

@goldenbuckets23 3 месяца назад

Look at how Joy Taylor criticized Jokic in the NBA after he was a 2 time MVP for not achieving postseason success and then praises Lamar Jackson instead.

@danielb.1567 3 месяца назад

shes racist

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

@@goldenbuckets23 thank you. I normally respect Joy, but this is a horrible take by her here. Have you noticed how much she was riding Baltimore all season long? I was not surprised to see them lose to the Chiefs, and I fully believe they would have lost to the Bills as well because Lamar cannot win a passing duel against either Mahomes or Josh Allen. He has to play his brand of football, he has to play from ahead, or he’s not going to win

@brandonbooth3231 3 месяца назад

@marcusmcgraw3519 The Ravens would have best the brakes off the Bills stop the madness. The only person that could beat Lamar this year was Pat...which he did it so give him credit. Stop lumping Josh with Pat. They aren't on the same level. It's Pat above everyone, then Lamar and Joe, then Josh.

@josephbanker3829 3 месяца назад

Its such a disgrace, so much cap 🙄 Hes in the HOF??? Hes got 2 playoff wins. Hes never even thrown over 4,000 yds And only over 35+ tds 1x He didnt even deserve a mvp this year #15 pass yds #11 pass tds and only had 5 rush tds

@tmc31390 3 месяца назад

So who do you think deserved it over Lamar?

@josephbanker3829 3 месяца назад

@tmc31390 just look up the numbers.. guys like Dak Allen Purdy CMC All these guys were top seeds, and ranked like #1 - #5 in all major stats

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

@@josephbanker3829 and I wouldn’t have voted for Purdy or Dak. But Allen and cmc made a lot of sense to capture the award instead, because they had much better offensive output and weren’t scheme dependent

@sora4440 3 месяца назад

This entire segment is out of pocket. Stefanski was on his 4th string qb and lost the best RB in the NFL to injury early. They werent supposed to make the playoffs or win 11 games but they did. Demeco Ryans has a case as well and I would have no problem if he won CotY either. The downplay of what Stefanski did is crazy though...

@sebastianoliveros6030 3 месяца назад

bro don’t know who cmc is

@sly0422 3 месяца назад

Yea browns have a good roster but they had 1/4 of the cap on IR. So they were winning without that impressive roster. He Started 5 diff QBs look how the Texans played w/o theirs. It wasn’t a robbery they should of just had co coaches of the year since they tied in points

@paul19519 3 месяца назад

Agreed... Co coach would have worked here

@ybmsimba2410 3 месяца назад

So did the Texans. Just as banged up if not more so than the Browns and they also won a game without CJ too so your point is invalid. Demeco should have won it but if not then Co-COTY would've been ok too

@nnanna1439 3 месяца назад

Y’all calling this man a walk in HOFr when Allen & Burrow are clearly better qbs. Got love for Lamar but he gotta win some big games or them MVPs gonna be sus.

@bcamm3100 3 месяца назад

Clear to you my guy.. all three are nice and hv arguments.

@Torichtodie 3 месяца назад

Allen never went to a superbowl 😂 no awards burrow went to the superbowl he has good argument

@jaywashington7225 3 месяца назад

What has Allen done?

@nnanna1439 3 месяца назад

@@jaywashington7225 look my eyes tell me that man is a problem!

@twizzy585ful 3 месяца назад

Not just calling, he is...no way a 2 time MVP isn't going to the hall...I'm not the biggest Lamar fan but that's going to happen

@fwkira864 3 месяца назад

I'd say Texans coach shouldve won since we didnt except it

@MrGoddlie 3 месяца назад

You really think he earned it, naw I believe they got it right. They got the come back player of the year right too, I thought Tua really should of got it but. It could of went both ways too...

@ariici 3 месяца назад

@@MrGoddlie you lost all credibility when you said Tua deserves it lol

@ybmsimba2410 3 месяца назад

@@MrGoddlieHe won 11 games... a division title and a playoff game... for a team that had only 11 wins the previous 3 YEARS COMBINED. He did that with a rookie OC and his best players being either rookies or 2nd-3rd year players. Regardless of how it happened the Browns were expected to compete with Baltimore and Cincy for their division and make the playoffs. Absolutely nobody thought the same about the Texans.

@ctwn2166 3 месяца назад

@ybmsimba2410 but he didn't have to start 4 different QB in the best and brutal division the AFC north and won 11 games. Cmon man this was Kevin to win

@ariici 3 месяца назад

@@ctwn2166 DEFENSE DEFENSE DEFENSE that’s why they won that many games

@bcamm3100 3 месяца назад

I think all the other 2X winners went to a SB?? LJ will admit he still has work to do but a SB appearance should assure him a jacket.

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

He gotta stop choking

@slikman19 3 месяца назад

The other 2X winners didn't just go, they won.

@brandonbooth3231 3 месяца назад

2x MVP makes him a HOF player already.

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

@@brandonbooth3231 nah

@brandonbooth3231 3 месяца назад

@@maskedman5657 Yup

@albertferrara9322 3 месяца назад

Acho is the definition of “Don’t let your feelings get involved” If Mike Tomlin or Todd Bowles won over Demeco Ryans, the other 3 wouldn’t have a problem with it at all…. If that makes sense

@daquaylenavie3740 3 месяца назад

What are you tryna get at though you tryna make this a race thing? The voters got it wrong if they gave it to him because he made it work with his qb situation then Kyle should’ve won it last year

@tankeater 3 месяца назад

I thought Eli being a lock for the HOF was crazy... But Lamar Jackson a lock?????????? For regular season achievements??? As AI would say........ We talkin about PRACTICE for the playoffs........

@sirGarald 3 месяца назад

I think without Flacco strolling in with his walker, slinging TDs and takin naps on the sideline, Browns easily could easily have missed this year. It was magic.

@kiyanwest_ 3 месяца назад

gotta say that the browns did good with 5 different qbs in the toughest division in football .. hats off to the texans and this coming from a ravens fan.

@JaFeelMeBro 3 месяца назад

The question that should be asked for who deserved is, which is harder, Overcoming all that stefanski had to overcome to make the playoffs, or overachieving everyones expectations in your first year to make the playoffs?

@SlushyDice 3 месяца назад

0:49 Incredible? It’s expected. 😂

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Well, he has a chance to beat mahomes in the SB

@richieagame503 3 месяца назад

Mvp isnt done how its should be. The recency biases shouldn't be taken into account. As ravens defense carried alot of the load for the team. A mid tier qb couldve carried the team to the playoffs. Seen it basiclly with the browns and bad qbs. Few years back carr held the team together after the gruden emails. And ruggs drama/ dui killing the young lady.

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Some would argue that Lamar is mid. I haven't watched him much recently. What I saw in the afcg. Brought back what I remembered.

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

@@HockeyDudeJames2 I would say Lamar is one of the worst unanimous MVPs we’ve ever seen. 24 tds to 7 INTs hardly screams mvp, unless it was 20 years ago when Steve McNair won the award with that same stat line. The problem is that McNair was actually a good passer, where Lamar totally wastes his receivers unless the coverage is shifted due to the threat of him running the ball

@KByers000 3 месяца назад

Browns beat the Texans head to head in the regular season without their starting QB… If the head coach of the Texans had beat the Browns with their backup QB then we have an argument… They keep bringing up the Texans beating the Browns in the playoffs with CJ starting… Why didn’t he win the regular season game without him??? 🤷🏽‍♂️

@cloudstrife4897 3 месяца назад

I would respect the league if they didn’t put him in the hall because he’s mid at best

@user-zs6ts2yv2u 3 месяца назад

5 different quarterbacks and still won. He can coach

@lawrencemalone-px6qe 3 месяца назад

Not one of those QBs was a rookie 🥱

@Frost11511 3 месяца назад

@@lawrencemalone-px6qeirrelevant

@lawrencemalone-px6qe 3 месяца назад

@@Frost11511 yea, having a rookie is irrelevant and means nothing 🤦🏾‍♂️

@Dub257 3 месяца назад

@@lawrencemalone-px6qeDTR

@boxingfan0374 3 месяца назад

Don’t mean a thing without the ring

@icebergslim3743 3 месяца назад

True but Dan Marino an Warren moon were 2 of the best without a ring.🤷🏾

@senchodaroola1of1 3 месяца назад

U wrong. This isn’t basketball

@russellfedele5146 3 месяца назад

I love how they gave Ryan credit for his team's offense and QB progress even though he's a defensive mind, Stefanski gets belied/receives no credit for his team's amazing defense, and his quarterbacks were widely considered below average. CJ Stroud is believed to be a top 10 QB, while most observers question whether Watson is still a top QB, and on top of that didn't even play the whole season.

@in8inity150 3 месяца назад

Thanks for saying what nobody is saying about the Browns Defense and the Browns coach!!! 💯🎯

@lsjmartin6220 3 месяца назад

Keep in mind Peyton also had this kind of playoff record, before he finally won a ring

@kushalnellore1588 3 месяца назад

Yeah and he got crushed for it until he won lol.

@twizzy585ful 3 месяца назад

That narrative was all over Peyton until he started beating Brady in the playoffs and won a ring

@josephbanker3829 3 месяца назад

Manning was also throwing for like 4,500 yds and 30+ tds a season lol. Lamar has never even thrown over 4k

@pandemicboyz 3 месяца назад

Took john elway 15 season to win a superbowl

@lsjmartin6220 3 месяца назад

@@josephbanker3829 what’s ur point buddy?

@lzareefer5578 3 месяца назад

Then why didn’t Kyle Shannan win he started 3 qbs and went to nfc championship games

@sebastianoliveros6030 3 месяца назад

not to mention got there with the last pick of the draft demeco ryans was ROBBED

@RyanMidd422 3 месяца назад

I really wish the media would actually do real analytical work instead of saying the same thing smh the last time I checked football is a team sport and everything has to nearly go right for you to win it all

@CalobAdamsInfamous913 3 месяца назад

Joy is usually the one who’s always saying the right stuff but today she missed it with the coach of the year, Kevin Absolutely deserved it. This an award that you couldn’t go wrong with Kevin or DeMeco or even Dan Campbell

@cherher7642 3 месяца назад

Not hating on lamar but he didn't deserve that mvp. Why?! Cuz his defense carried him most of the times. But hes getting the praise of him carrying his team on his back. 🤷

@gabrielcastillo3236 3 месяца назад

Thought the same thing. Had the best defense, had talent all over the field. He did not carry them, he played well. CM should have won it. CM did carry the 49ers

@missile87redefined25 3 месяца назад

Offense averaged 28ppg but the defense carried lol sure bud

@bcamm3100 3 месяца назад

@@gabrielcastillo3236cmc has the most talented squad. He was carried then

@twizzy585ful 3 месяца назад

They scored almost 30 a game tf lol

@TopTierHater 3 месяца назад

The defense didn’t average 28 points😂

@risingphoenix1484 3 месяца назад

He is not a HOFer...... sorry.... Jim Plunkett has 2 Superbowls and amongst the best records in the playoffs he is not a HOFer.....Lamar Jackson doesn;t move the needle for the HOF.

@lsjmartin6220 3 месяца назад

Lol we’ll see

@user-it4yn9vz6c 3 месяца назад

Plunkett should b n HOF w 2 SBs

@user-it4yn9vz6c 3 месяца назад

Oaktown n L.A.!!

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Great deep dive. Well done.

@nicklove3963 3 месяца назад

Are you kidding me? Plunkett doesn’t have the numbers Lamar has in his first 7 years and won no MVP’s. Nice try 🏎️’ist

@tedcasttv6253 3 месяца назад

2x NFL COACH OF THE YEAR! KEVIN STEFANSKI CLEVELANDS IN GOOD SHAPE!!!!!GO BROWNS WOOF WOOF WOOF !!!!!

@o4tw382 3 месяца назад

9:14 Same thing happened last year - Daboll won the award over Sirianni and Sirianni beat him by 30 in the playoffs.

@tezzmcballin5081 3 месяца назад

Demeco Ryans should’ve won coach of the year. First time head coach takes a rookie qb to the playoffs, and beat the coach that they gave the award to…

@ocampbell1954 3 месяца назад

Naw. Browns lost their best offensive player in Chubb and their QB in Watson in the best division.

@Frost11511 3 месяца назад

Holy casual.

@nathanhundley5347 3 месяца назад

Kudos to lamar for sticking to his guns about playing qb. He couldve caved. Hes a great example of why you dont let the haters take you off course from your goals. And now they all eat crow. Also how is acho even arguing against demeco being robbed??!! Worst roster in football. Rookie qb. Alsi had injuries. Dont act like half our onlineman were out the furst half of the year. The brownsn were a playoff team already. Demeco got robbed. Absurd.

@bcamm3100 3 месяца назад

It's wild LJ had to get 2 MVs to just be on Allen and burrows level. I guess that's overlooked and everybody has their own measuring stick...

@nathanhundley5347 3 месяца назад

@bcamm3100 even josh allen shoudlnt be in that group now. Hes never made a conference championship or even sniffed an mvp. Idk why the nedia loves him so much. Baffles me

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

@@nathanhundley5347he made a conference championship and went toe to toe with Pat. With a beat up defense. The ravens had the #1 defense who shut the chiefs out in the second half😅 let's add nuance and correct facts to our arguments.

@Change4good7 3 месяца назад

This show 💪🏿👈🏾

@terryharris8228 3 месяца назад

They need to talk about the hall of fame snubs too

@brandonjackson6323 3 месяца назад

Antonio Gates>Willis, freeney

@farrahtaylor4111 3 месяца назад

What about TJ Watt. He should have been DPOTY

@brandoscreamo 3 месяца назад

LOVE seeing all the whining about the browns sweep last night, keep crying🤪✌🏻

@noirmanoir1061 3 месяца назад

This is the first time ive seen achos cohosts genuinely look at him like he's on something. Like he's house... all good acho we know you have to appease them with feigned objectivity.

@erkenta9487 3 месяца назад

Please stop mentioning Josh Allen when y’all mention MVP’s …He is very good but he has to win something fr

@soufeast_ant6469 3 месяца назад

They speak about him because he went to a afc championship game that’s all even tho he lead the league in turnovers a few times

@kifley19 3 месяца назад

Head coach of the year should have been between the winner of the Colts and Texans game and the Texans won. DeMeco Ryans should've won.

@chrisx5127 3 месяца назад

There is not a bigger choke artist than Lafraud. MVP Is now a joke award.

@mazoamerica2706 3 месяца назад

Acho can’t help it bro ! Just give him his 💐 today talk about that next season

@cherrylhirsch7738 3 месяца назад

The first time I ever thought Malika had something right to say!!

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

He’s growing at a pocket passer 😂😂😂😂😂? What team they been watching did u watch the afc champ game 😂😂😂😂

@Hunch07 3 месяца назад

Loser

@Henry18845 3 месяца назад

I'm trying to figure that out.... Anyways the league isn't the same anymore.. two hands touch wildcats running offense

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

@@Henry18845 ur right sir

@nicklove3963 3 месяца назад

One game against one of the top pass defenses. How did Josh Allen do against them? You don’t know football🤡

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

@@nicklove3963 here you guys go trying to compare this dude to a quarterback that has taken his team to a AFC championship game as well. There’s no comparison, sir Josh Allen is a actual quarterback with wheels Lamar Jackson is a running back with mediocre quarterback skills.

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Acho is the voice of reason.

@noirmanoir1061 3 месяца назад

Nah not this time

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

This video at least

@anhtannguyen5577 3 месяца назад

CJ Stroud was in the MVP conversation. I’d take that over 5qbs

@jamesjackson2105 3 месяца назад

Exactly that’s why the coach of the year is stefanski

@PanamaBlacky 3 месяца назад

Try and name another team or coach with five different quarterbacks in the season that would of made it as far as he did he definitely deserved the award .

@Strangerpassingthrough 3 месяца назад

ACHO is the only real

@mandimunie 3 месяца назад

First time, I am agreeing with Joy

@Hey37373 3 месяца назад

How? She the most on point on this show lol. James be on point as well. She always give solid takes. Like I ain’t never seen her not give one and I don’t agree with her all the time. But her points are solid

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

@@Hey37373she’s the most on point in general, but this one she is off on. How can we say Lamar is a HOF’er at this point? Kurt Warner won 2 MVPs in his first 3 seasons. He would have never made the HOF if not for his resurgence in Arizona, and it came with him surrounded with HOF level talent yet again. Lamar has a ways to go

@play030 3 месяца назад

It's 2 big reasons why I always agree with Joy.

@damienbrown2966 3 месяца назад

None of them had the Browns in the playoffs and barely a 9 win team at the beginning of the season.. Then they make playoffs after starting 5 different QBs but somehow that isnt good enough to win COTY for them. Smh!

@jeremyrivens2867 3 месяца назад

MVP is a player award getting to a Super Bowl is a team goal

@MAXIMA347 3 месяца назад

Crazy I was typing Acho probably the one who didn't vote for Lamar before Shady said it. Even they know sitting next to him how much he hates Lamar...🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾

@eleventhhouseofzenith 3 месяца назад

Acho is the only one on TV who ain't on Lamar's d!@&. He ain't been scrutinized on TV like Purdy. He needs the Manning treatment until he wins a superbowl. CMC or Hill deserved the MVP.

@LeakSpeak 3 месяца назад

Browns blew them boys out in season, then got blown out in playoffs.

@GrimRea 3 месяца назад

I don’t think they thought that one through if you have any expectations an win it’s like oh ok but if you suppose to win 9 games an win 11 I think that’s more impressive but hey who am I 😅

@keithcrook8591 3 месяца назад

Ya’ll are ridiculous saying Lamar is a HOF RIGHT NOW. 2 mvp? Neat. The man averages 2600 or so yards passing with about 20 touchdowns per game and 1 more playoff win that Tim Teabow 😂

@barrywatson-qb3di 3 месяца назад

Facts

@ryanshetter7197 3 месяца назад

I can't stand how we just throw people in the hof now adays. It's crazy yeah he got the mvp and then lost 😂 these awards are jokes

@firstchain_prominence 3 месяца назад

exactly, like if he retired this year his numbers wouldn’t even be good enough for the hof

@Change4good7 3 месяца назад

Why won’t you go out there and win some 😂🤣

@lsjmartin6220 3 месяца назад

He’s a first ballot HOF keep crying😂

@kgema89 3 месяца назад

the streets knew ACHO was gonna say they got it White... ahem ... right* lol

@GoodDay-fq9xk 3 месяца назад

Lamar got criticized so much for being a mobile QB in the NFL because it wasn't the "All American "way of playing football ,but you can see that his style of play is just as effective and dominant as a pocket passing QB.

@virgilrobertsjr7870 3 месяца назад

I was shocked concerning the NFL Coach of the Year pick this season because I thought the decision had already been made as in Demeco Ryans? THEN THIS HAPPENED!!! 🤦‍♂️

@Cabooseforprez2012 3 месяца назад

1/4 of the Browns salary cap was on IR this year. The hallmark of great coaches is the ability to adjust. Is there any greater metric to that them winning with a changing roster. Face it most people are upset about this pick for non football reasons. Just where we’re at now

@carlotatonetti392 3 месяца назад

How is the MVP awarded? Acho, you love data and stat's put up Lamars stat's against Purdy and explain to me how he wins??? Love how you guys say the voters got it wrong for coach of the year because it's not who you guys wanted to win.???

@startedfromscratch1529 3 месяца назад

You neglected to mention that Purdy played against Lamar and Purdy got absolutely crushed. That put a signature on Lamar getting the MVP.

@carlotatonetti392 3 месяца назад

@startedfromscratch1529 can't win every game, Lamars on the couch were Purdy

@startedfromscratch1529 3 месяца назад

@@carlotatonetti392 The conversation was about the MVP award, not about winning every game or who is playing in the Superbowl. It's a regular season award and when the race is close you give it to the player who makes a difference for his team. Purdy had a chance to play Lamar at home and got whipped. It wasn't a hard decision after that.

@oronmurphy3724 3 месяца назад

Ocho should have went to the break room😳💯

@HomerunsamSOSA 3 месяца назад

So what should Acho have done ?

@oronmurphy3724 3 месяца назад

@@HomerunsamSOSA Break room

@justincoleman9649 3 месяца назад

What’s the playoff record though? Playoff stats?

@marcusmcgraw3519 3 месяца назад

Bad take by Joy. I would not put Lamar in the HOF at this point if he retired tomorrow, and I have some doubts about whether he’s on pace for a HOF career based on his output

@eddiecampbell9663 3 месяца назад

He only played 6 seasons so far he on the right track...all he needs now is a superbowl

@anthonycastro6545 3 месяца назад

There’s only 2 coaches that should’ve been considered Demeco and Dan Campbell both took their franchises that nobody thought would win a game

@terryharris8228 3 месяца назад

2 mvps he better than joe burrow and josh Allen only 1 qb done more an that’s Mahomes them other qbs haven’t done it especially Allen

@Endzoneproductions17 3 месяца назад

No he’s not. He played much worse than Allen in the playoffs. Also Allen kinda owns him head to head so no Allen and burrow are better than him but mahomes is the best

@terryharris8228 3 месяца назад

@@Endzoneproductions17 he has 2 mvps what Allen has just sayin Allen good he just turns the ball over

@eddydede4275 3 месяца назад

He can have 5 MVP’s he ain’t better than burrow or Allen and don’t even mention him in the same sentence as Mahomes

@terryharris8228 3 месяца назад

@@eddydede4275 lol I’m taking the mvp and I’m sitting Herbert at 3 none of em won a superbowl Lamar has 2 mvps the others lowkey haven’t done anything but I agree with Mahomes

@Endzoneproductions17 2 месяца назад

@@terryharris8228 has Lamar ever hurdled a defender

@ricardodieujuste4554 3 месяца назад

The MVP should’ve went to CMAC or Dak

@pmh1nic 3 месяца назад

Every player Joy mentioned has won a Superbowl. The only QB statistic Lamar lead was rushing yards. In the others (passing yards, TDs, completion % and QBR) he wasn't in the top 3 and in key QB stats (passing yards and TDs) he wasn't in the top 10. Purdy lead him in all these statistics and as a team SF lead Balt in scoring.

@thomaswelcomer8443 3 месяца назад

This cheapens the MVP award going forward. You dont have to be a leader in any meaningful stats, if you have hilites, you are in.

@sliding_by8607 3 месяца назад

facts! now they're just giving it to ppl who don't lead in any stats!

@MrPrettyBoyChina 3 месяца назад

I agree. MVP is a joke

@ogbigblunts7280 3 месяца назад

MVP is more about stats

@JohanLWill7_ 3 месяца назад

Nobody is critical of Lamar Joy stop the cap

@swanny155 3 месяца назад

They only criticize him. Everybody else they make excuses for

@KCKilla7467 3 месяца назад

Dk bout dat1 brah...

@Endzoneproductions17 3 месяца назад

They are but putting him over Allen is dumb

@gideonamankwah6491 3 месяца назад

Some people are. Ask Mookie Jones

@emmanuelstanley9138 3 месяца назад

@@Endzoneproductions17what does Josh allen don

@ojogbaneamedu2501 3 месяца назад

Every 2x MVP winner has won a championship, that’s a part of that HoF stat they don’t add. It would be unprecedented for Lamar to go his whole career without one. I wouldn’t say he’s automatically locked into the HoF as a result.

@trevorkelly9270 3 месяца назад

Lamar in hall of fame with zero super bowl appearances is crazy

@kevinfinnerty3754 3 месяца назад

Shouldn’t have won mvp lol

@maskedman5657 3 месяца назад

Yeah Nah give it to Stroud

@kevinfinnerty3754 3 месяца назад

@@maskedman5657 ja17*

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

Lmfao Lamar a hof with 2 mvps smh this world coming to an end he a choke artist can’t be a hof 😂😂😂😂😂

@ogbigblunts7280 3 месяца назад

You don’t have to win Super Bowl to get in the HoF plenty of ppl in there without one don’t diminish the MVP award likes it’s noting. Not a lot ppl Won it twice let alone once. That’s HOF worthy.

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

@@ogbigblunts7280 tons of quarterbacks have won two or more MVPs and have one for Super Bowl and that’s the problem with you fans these days glorify single achievements when it’s a team game and you guys supposed to be winning Super Bowl I’d be mad at my quarterback if he’s winning MVPs but can’t win us, the Super Bowl, the big game the game that he held out to get paid for just to win season MVPs come on man since when is that been condone or people been contempt to win MVPs but no rings

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

@@ogbigblunts7280 and Brock Purdy deserved that MVP but he’s going to get a Super Bowl ring. The only reason Lamar Jackson was considered an MVP is because they beat the Niners. That was the ravens Super Bowl because they knew they weren’t gonna make it to the Super Bowl because they knew what kind of running back quarterback, they have a choke artist, and look what happened. His playoff record is two and five in his career that’s horrible. They need to change up the rules and consider the MVP after the season after the Super Bowl not just for regular season then that means Brock Purdy should be a Hall of Famer as well since he’s taking the Niners to a NFC championship game and his rookie year and then he’s taking them to the Super Bowl this year, and when he wins the Super Bowl, he should be considered a Hall of Fame

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

@@ogbigblunts7280 all he needed was one round to make it to the Super Bowl and he couldn’t even do that

@rc_yola41500 3 месяца назад

@@ogbigblunts7280 a losers mentality. You must be a ravens fan.

@kitchen82 3 месяца назад

Acho watches the game like a 5 year old just getting started with watching and playing football. Basically a bench warmer.

@buckeyepauly 3 месяца назад

I thought Ryan’s stole it from Stefanski Wild Card Weekend. That being said what the Texans did has been done before….and they did it with the picks given to them by the BROWNS……but what Stefanski did hasn’t been done before. If CJ Stroud went out for the year season over. The Browns beat both #1 seeds and swept the AFC South……the division the Texans won…..with some big money players out for the year. Over 25% of their roster. That could have fallen apart quickly….

@CincyKid19 3 месяца назад

Lamar won’t be a Hall of Famer with 2 MVPs and 2 playoff wins. That’s absurd to say that he’s on track.

@lsjmartin6220 3 месяца назад

This was also Peyton manning too, where did he end up???

@xavieonedavis1318 3 месяца назад

He’s the youngest with 2 mvps that’s hof

@FaceFamous 3 месяца назад

They're saying if he retired now. But when he retires 8 to 10 years from now we'll see his full resume

@nicklove3963 3 месяца назад

You don’t know football

@nunyabizness6662 3 месяца назад

@@lsjmartin6220he ended up with two SB rings. lol

@blackanimelover18 3 месяца назад

The worst MVP in the last 20 years, lets be real.

@lsjmartin6220 3 месяца назад

Keep crying

@FaceFamous 3 месяца назад

Wrong!¡

@HockeyDudeJames2 3 месяца назад

Don't worry about the haters. Speak your truth. The truth 💯

@jeremyrebel8931 3 месяца назад

2 things to consider. 1. Does Ryans win 10 games with stroud only playing in 5 games? Like the browns did with Watson. 2. Look at the jets with an equal level defense as the browns and a wr equally as good as cooper along with a better running back than what the browns had after chub injury. Also browns losing both tackles. And the jets coach losing all those games compared to stefanski. Ryans was benefited from the organization drafting stroud and would have had a 5 win team with Davis or another QB.