Proper defensive line combined with the ferocious Scots is enough to convince me that Robert the Bruce could have defended Winterfell better than Jon Snow.
Andrew Ziegler Theon to jon your grace your father always said that 500 men could hold winterfell from 10000 wouldn't it be a good idea if we stayed in the castle walls to protect it now that we are outnumbered and we should have the archers and trebuchet behind the castle walls to protect them, and shouldn't we dig trenches to protect the castle, Jon that's a bad idea Theon only a fool like Tywin lannister would do that we should take our soldiers out the castle walls and put the trebuchet in front of the spearmen so that the dead army can get to them first. Jaimie your grace or my lord shouldn't we hide the the dothraki and the knights of the vale in the left and right flanks and give them a signle to attack at the right time when the dead attack our main army, Jon no that's a bad idea Jaimie only a fool like King Robb would do that we should attack the dead just with the dothraki without the nights of the vale and the nights of the vale should dismount their horses it wouldn't be a fair fight with so many caverly. tyrion lannister my lord i could smuggle som wild wildfire from Kingslanding i destroyed half of the stormlanders army in seconds both stannises and renlys armies ask Ser davos his son died in the battle of the blackwater Jon answers only a fool like Tyrion Lannister would do that. Jaimie again, your grace or my lord or what the hell you are on my way here i got Lord Edmure Tully out of the Prison and asked him to rally the Riverlords to come to our aid, Jon answers you fu..ing id..ts what is wrong with you guys we dount have time for that, send a raven to lord Edmure and tell him to chill and relax and let him be ready for the battle of Kingslanding or they can just live there Lifes in peace like the DONRNISH ARMY. Jon says make ready to meet the enemy out the castle walls but but my lord its a bad idea don't worry northern valor would carry the day.
That's why I like the fight in The King between Henry V and Percy Hotspur. There's a few seconds where they just lay there, breathing heavily. Really drives home how physically demanding it is.
they were really slower events of hours and the rate of killings really slower than this "fisher tales" of one individual killing 6-9 of the enemy. If each soldier killed just 1 or 2 the enemy forces left would not have been able to stand the overwhelming numbers of enemy killing at that easy pace. I believe they do it for film expediency and bring some emotions with these Fast-Forward scenes of non-stop hacks left and right (as if children and not adults experienced troops or led by their companies officers) other than looking at enemies milling each other and coming to brief clashes and back, which a whole day of it or just 4 hours of it, was the real stamina drain
That is the moment when you finally experience the glory of victory! Then breakdown later and thanking that you managed to surivive that brutal battle.
Sadly that how it was in war. Even in WW1 the poor horses had it really bad since most were used for open field charges, heavy labor of moving artillery on crappy terrain, killed to feed starving soldiers In the trenches etc. Even war elephants had it rough.
@@jamesmorgan4426 Those stakes are usually used as an area denial. Seeing how narrow the battlefield is, it doesnt seem like the cav have much of a choice. It would be wise to just dismount and engaged them tho... So maybe their deployment are hidden, either it was prepared at the dark of the night or they trench and stakes were built behind the line of infantry. I am not very familiar with this battle tho...so I am just talking out of my ass here.
It was smart because it created a huge gap. You would literally have get off your horse and walk into the trench and that would be hard because it’s low ground and it would be crowded
This is a much better historical recreation than anything in Braveheart. It's just a pity that they couldn't have stuck to the history even here. Edward was nowhere near this battle and, had he been captured as depicted, he would have been either kept for a high ransom or executed by Robert to avenge the deaths of his two brothers at Carlisle under the orders of Edward of the Long Shanks. Also, as the battle progressed, the Scots made a gradual tactical retreat up the hill, all the while spearing the English as they advanced up the increasing gradient. Must have been fun, lol.
Something that I also like about this battle, apart from the strategy, is the clothing, you can easily distinguish the Scottish and the english, wearing their banners and flags, and clothing
@@CiclonSanlorenzo I don't know, it's still hard to tell them apart once they're in the chaotic midst of the battle. That part of battles always confuses me. Were they truly this disorderly or were battle lines more well maintained so you knew who you were fighting?
@@smellypatel5272 It was quite common, since on the battlefield they got dirty with mud, that's why they wore colorful colors, and apart from wearing tunics, also on their shields or flags, apart from the fact that they fought in well-organized lines.
This is actually one of the BEST battle scenes I have ever seen. The highlights of the battle for me: The failed Calvary charge, James Douglas going crazy with the duel wield, Aymer de Valence managing to still cut people down and not get his horse stuck in the bog and that dude at 2:23 with the axe.
I’m English and I love hearing about England’s great victories and I’m always cheering them on but I am most impressed by Scotland’s victory at Bannockburn . They fought their hearts out against all odds and won the day.
'English' is difficult to describe Edward i & ii and his noblemen and barons as 'English' considering none of them could speak the language and where kings of Occitan and Anjou, 'Norman French' is more accurate, the 'English' are the poor peasants pressed to fight in these battles. the Scots would have looked very similar, the cavalry and knights would be draped in their clan colours and would have the same military set-up and armour, its annoying to see dirty unkempt scots with rudimentary weapons, the only thing they actually lacked is numbers, 100 mounted full armoured knights compared to 2000.
The stumbling around, mud, confusion, yelling, guys getting tired, guys running away, this type of stuff makes it a better battle than Braveheart or Gladiator.
This! This is how you structure a medieval war scene. It needs to be this brutal, this gory. Now its not perfect from a historical perspective, but it shows a logical perspective regarding how the main advantage of the English or any other main nation, cavalry, was countered to bring them to an even playing field
was a horrible time to be alive for both sides england had tyrant kings and we had no choice to follow or die and war with scotland. i live in scotland and my best friend is Scottish, i could not imagine fighting him as i am fond of the scots they are good people.
Braveheart and Outlaw King are patriotic Scottish movies that deliberately portray England in a poor light. Similar to the Patriot. They make out that the English are heartless and pure evil, while also biasedly exaggerating the extent of the Scottish battle success.
Excellent ambush, you can see that the English really learned from this and employed such tactics on an even greater scale, using the longbow to deadly effect in addition to a defensive posture of men-at-arms. For the next 150+ years the longbow dominated the battlefields of France and Britain
The Knight's Tradition was less strong in Britain than in France since it was of Franco-Norman origin, hence the ease of having been able to rule out Chivalry a little more for the Longbowmen.
@@turansah6253 Completely wrong, the Longbow was invented by the the Welsh, the English adopted the Longbow after one battle with the Scotts, where the English called on Welsh Longbowmen to help in the battle, needless to say the Scotts lost that battle.
this is undoubtably one of the most brutal fighting scenes i have ever seen, and i have seen a lot of them. nothing is held back and everything is right in front of your face. if this is how they fought back then i can see why sometimes numbers can count but also sheer strength and fighting methods. adrenelin is a good thing to have.
Something that I also like about this battle, apart from the strategy, is the clothing, you can easily distinguish the Scottish and the english, wearing their banners and flags, and clothing
My ancestors supported Bruce hugely and fought along side him in his quest for the crown. They also fought in this battle by his side After the victory King Bruce awarded them lands in Scotland as he turned to our chief for over 1000 men. To this day we still hold captain titles.
Think about the money to train them, the fact a lot of those knights were second sons of nobility, the expensive armor, the expensive horses, even if they had lost 1/5 of this amount, it would be seen as a defeat or a Pyrrhic victory.
@@robwalsh9843 CHAINMAIL WAS FOR THE RICHER PEOPLE . A LOT (TOO MANY) WOULD BE ; RAGGED , BARE FOOTED , HUNGRY FARM WORKERS WITH THEIR TOOLS AS WEOPONS .
@Kevin Johnson it’s true, Colin the Coward. He was, legends says, the most excellent groveler in the Kingdom. Our family crest is a yellow backdrop with a man on his hands and knees clutching a white flag of surrender in his teeth. My grandfather was actually one of the first soldiers captured by the Japanese Imperial Navy and served as a geisha for General Tojo. You really learn a lot on Ancestry. Com.
Americans after watching this film: OH YEAH SO IM LIKE 1/8 th SCOTTISH Edit: guys I'm aware that a few of you are direct descendants of us. It was just a joke, I don't really care which clan your great great great great great grandad belonged to
Well tbh there's a shitload of English, Irish and Scottish here. Scots settled the deep south of the Carolinas and Virginia. Theres more people here of Irish descent alone than in IRELAND.
My dad's side of the family originates from Scotland, apparently our family's namesake is from a clan there, clan Hunter to be exact, though I'm more German than anything lol.
now that I think about it, my surname actually originates from somewhere in England, but apart from that i'm pretty much 100% Scottish and proud. Born here, live here, and I'll surely die here
Spectacular battle scene, capturing the grit, grime, mud, blood, chaos, primal nastiness, screaming, hate, slaughter & confusion of a typical Medieval maelstrom so perfectly & realistically. What an amazing recreation!
JohnB I know mate, I’m Scottish haha Bruce was a fantastic strategic leader. His tactics at Bannockburn were on point too, even though he mainly used gorilla warfare to gain the advantage.
Exactly, i love the strategy and the symbolism of the moment. But he even comments that its their land and he knows his land. Invadors can come and go, but the land belongs truly to their people.
When watching clips like this .. it's so easy to pick things apart. It did look very realistic , especially the horses getting mangled in the trenches. There should always be more blood. Think about it , every dead man lost at least two quarts of blood, not to mention the horses.... God that must have been a nasty fuckin mess. If you ever want to try an imagine fighting like that , find a good , solid DEAD tree. Get yourself a good one handed axe and balance it out with something , set a timer for two minutes and have at it with the intention of doing as much damage as fast as you can in two minutes. Stop at two and if you did it correctly your going to be out of breath, your arm will be tired. You'll be sweaty and in need of a break. Then imagine not getting that break cuz while you've havked and slain those 3 or 4 poor bastards you've got ten more coming and they're mad as hell, back to it ! Now I didn't factor in things like Elan and emotions like fear , hatred , anger , love. You fear not just death but the pain of death , if you fall, chances are it won't be clean and quick . You hate your enemy for invading your Homeland , raping your women and enslaving your folk. You're angry because you're in a really bad place in life and there's no way out except defeat or victory, and all of those tie into you're love for your people , your land , your family and your leader. Fighting someone to the death that is carrying those emotions wouldn't be easy at all.. just pondering.
Imagine the aftermath..your so right ..the place would have had the hell stench..only thing to benefit would have been the grass and soil..bet it grew well after that blood bath..
Keep in mind what they were wearing because of the climate [definitely not light cotton fabric]. Heavy woolen fabric under more woolen fabric under armor. The fabric alone would soak up two quarts of blood. The second layer of wool was to cushion the wearer from the armor, so it's not altogether too surprising you wouldn't see much blood.
@@GunnersRange good point on the fabric. I used to think that if I lived in those ages how easy it would be to go around collecting cool things after the battle. It would be a grim and nasty job in reality. I'm not one that enjoys seeing dead things and those killed would be dead in a horrific manner, like seeing a slasher serial killers victim a few hundred times over, then there's the blunt force trauma guys that got killed by a mace or war hammer , the disembowel guys , headless guys , mauled by war dogs guys , impaled by spear guys , hand to hand cuz your weapons lost bent or broken guys.... Then there's the flies. In a warm climate the stench of shit, both human and horse would be gagging. There's be blood , vomit , fluids like urine and damn flies everywhere . Landing on your lip while scavenging, buzzing your ear. Now I'm all itchy with a ruined appetite.
You also have to figure how much tougher these people were back then, life was much harsher and everything was done by hard labor. But why were the Scots so darn tough, nobody wanted to fight them hand to hand. The English learned the hard way, their victories were either won by longbow or horse charge but up close the Scots were unequaled!!!
This battle is proof that even with large numbers you can still lose. Because it ain't about our numbers it's about strategy and how you use it and it's also about proper defense. I like that it showed that lesson and I'm glad that the scots won that battle and sticked it to the English
It still blows my mind that this happened. My ancestors stood with axes and swords and weapons, faced down thousands of English, and charged knowing it’s literally life or death hand to hand combat. Imagine the bravery to do that, and win!
@μανία so what? Your original point was wrong. As the your point of more control, well that is down to numbers. Scotland approx 5 million population , Wales 3 million and England 55 million. It's not difficult to figure out.
@Jacob Zondag Is that really the path you want to go down, because up until very recently indo-european man ruled the world and could have easily wiped it out like the indian and took it over yet didn't. Whats your fucking point?. That might is right and we ought to return to that?....ok...lets.
I know you meant to say "last" instead of "lost" but somehow putting the word lost in that sentence makes the whole thing that much more epic and oddly more fitting
Absolutely one of the best and most authentic looking battle scenes I've ever seen. Only the Saving Private Ryan Normandy landing scenes were bloodier...oh, and the aftermath of an LSU-Alabama gridiron football game....whoever loses on the field tries to win in the parking lot after the game. ;)
You should check out The Battle of the bastards from Game of thrones, it’s very bloody, gory, with great cinematography and an excellent one take shot.
The defensive design of a deep ditch with sharpened logs combined with the last second infantry retreat...was a winning strategy. Digging defensive ditch adjoining the bog and swamp was smart. Once the horses were stuck the archers could rapidly finish them off. Would armies not send scouts out 24 hrs ahead of armies? Maybe the Scotlish killed them? Brilliant strategy and scene.
I know old post but the reason this worked so the English didn't expect it. If their scouts had gotten close enough they might not have even know what to look for. As you saw the Scotts first formed their line in front of the trench then fell back as the horsemen approached thus shielding it till the last moment.
the English army were already looking for Robert, who had raided nearby towns and garrisons and was known to have camped on the hill. The man calling the retreat, Aymer de Valance was already defeated by Robert a week or so previously at Glen Trool and was leading the army trying to find Robert. There was no time for scouts as they had already spotted Robert's army at Loudoun Hill and had to meet them before they disappeared into the countryside again
@@ksodz1397 i was having a go at the English army, you know the ones mentioned in the videos title? And i was making an Age of Empires 2 reference. The English in that game is called Britons, and they specialize with foot archers but their cavalry is lacking.
@@ksodz1397 probably less Anglo Saxon or Norman than thought. With DNA being quite the thing now, historians are questioning the mainstream history of Britons. There has been to camps of early British history. Camp 1 believe that Rome left a small population, then the Saxons, Jutes etc massively populated England, then Vikings, then Normans. The effects it had was the Native Britons died out of existence. The Left Wing over the last 40 years have parroted this narrative to justify mass immigration into England on the pretence that Britain is a mongrel nation. CAMP 2 has always maintained that there is no evidence that suggests Native Britons were replaced by foreigner invaders and the foreign invasions was on a much smaller scale. With DNA testing showing camp 2 to be more accurate. They DNA’d a five thousand year old skeleton found in a Somerset cave. Then DNA’d some of the local people and found direct decedents. English people are now having DNA tested and most are coming back as British or some as mostly British and some Germanic. They are finding zero Roman and little traces of Scandinavian. Also they are finding Briton DNA in Scottish and Irish and not the “Celtic” DNA.
That the best interpretation of Stamford bridge I've seen. Eventhough is not the battle. The confusion of the battle, the gore makes it one of the best scenes.
@@Someone-by6jm someone who needs profanity to state a point usually admits to losing the argument straight away. Oh, and leave my european union. Scotland is very welcome to declare independance and rejoin by the way^^ Scots deserve better.
@@Someone-by6jm but apparently you can't even speak proper english. Also calling me nazi is an interesting choice, with me not even being fully white, but whatever floats your boat, mate, I'm sure you need this to boost your confidence whereof you seem to have quite the lack.
@@alidonmez6739, you mean Sansas treachery in the north? If she had said that she can call for the Knights of the Vale as reinforcements, it would have saved not only thousands of Northmen and the giant, but possibly even Rickon.
I did enjoy the Movie , Much better than Braveheart. I live in a village about 5 miles from the Battlesite. The valley is very narrow and the Hill which is an old volcanic rock dominates the landscape, Its pretty high, giving a great vantage point to see all along the Vallley for miles. The ground is very heavy and when it rains gets really muddy. That's why the Horse charge would have had little effect. Infantry wise the Warriors Bruce had with him were all very experienced fighters, A number were from the Isles and those guys lived a tough life. The English soldiers were coming from the Garrison Town of Ayr. Only a few would have been Knight's , I believe the numbers were around 1600 English and 600/800 Scots. For the Scots this was the first Battle of Independence. More an ambush....Winning this Battle showed Bruce was back , After this victory he started to retake Castles all across Scotland and his Army grew every week, Giving him the chance to win at Banockburn and achieve immortality in the eyes of the Scottish people.
This scene makes me feel proud knowing I'm a scottish man with many family that have fought in battle and still fight for this beautiful country to this day!
@@lisazack6459 that'll be civic nationalism thanks, people working for the common, civic, good - pro-immigration, anti-nuke, pro-social justice. You must be talking about the racist Brexity types in Westminster. Your English nationalist government. Nasty bunch. Thankfully, they're a scarce breed in Scotland. And we'll soon be free of all of them...
@@lisazack6459 Defending your homeland, your culture, your identity in your own small nation is not hate. It is the love of all you cherish, sometimes we must fight to survive. We Scots did that & suffered along the way but we prevailed as is shown in the massive contribution Scots have made to the world. The blood is strong.
The best bit of this battle is how the Scottish concealed the machine gunners and the B1 bombers! You wouldn't even know they were there! Military genius!
3:04 shows how hard it would have been to run through the enemy without being slammed or hit from the side. Despite most movies showing otherwise this has so much more realism, from exhaustion to mud and the confusion of so many men
This very scene demonstrates that it isn't that complicated to get a properly drenched battlefield, thus demostrating the difficulty of progression with credibility. This scene of the battle of Loudoun Hill seems to be a way better adaptation of the battle of Azincourt than the one in "The king".
I’m always returning here to watch this clip! Can you actually imagine being in a battle like this? It would be absolutely terrifying but part of me thinks was this normal? I know chivalry had rules and codes but that still doesn’t make it any less terrible and scary.
melee in medieval era were more organized : people stayed in formation to minimize the casualities and the more lethal part of the battle was during the rout, when one formation broke, the routed troops were just attacked in the back while running away. That kind of thing is just transposing the brutality of war like WW1 into medievals battle. I'm not saying they weren't brutal, but that movie portray melee as less organized and more deadly as it really was
I had ancestors at that battle, Loudon Hill is near my home. That battle scene was an accurate description, the choice of terrain was genius. The English used a similar tactic at the Battle of Agincourt, again, terrain was genuius. For Americans, Picketts Charge was a prime example of engaging the enemy on the wrong terrain, uphill, open fields, long grass, the Confederates had no chance - WW1 Western Front was bogged down for years until tanks arrived, Galipoli was a British disaster due to coastal terrain - terrain is vital to winning battles.
A Total War game would be more apt, perhaps Medieval II (2006) or the newer Thrones of Britannia (2018), both let you cause colourful Caledonian carnage.
Unfortunately when the Scots and English armies met further down the line where the Scots were defeated and Scotland became part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain 🇬🇧
@@chrisholland7367 Well history is history, the Scottish did suffer many defeats further down the line and became a part of the UK. But then again I just wanted to watch the continuation of this movie where De Bruce outwitted Edward the second at Bannockburn.
@@chrisholland7367 No, that is not how Scotland joined the UK. Scotland went bankrupt in 1692 after an expedition (Darien expedition I think) to central america ended in monumental failure. They got help to clear the debt but had to sign the treaty of union as a result and became part of the UK. If yoi ever read up on the expedition ypu will see that Scotland lost it's freedom through arrogance and stupidity. A shame to lose it by such means.
That was the thing. We were outnumbered 3 to 1, we had very few archers and even less cavalry but we were still able to beat the best army in the world by using the country and the landscape to our advantage. We know our country better than the English ever will and that's one hell of an advantage.
The English where not the "best army in the world", no idea where this comes from :S Just off the top of my head Spain and France both definitely had better armies then England at this point in history, in part because of better and far more numerous heavy cavalry something the English then British armies have always lacked due to the way our Island is formed, not enough grassy plains or something. Portugal had the same problem, just because it's funny the Portuguese army in 1807 was meant to have 7 Regiments (7,000 cavalrymen) there was a problem though, they only had 6,400 horses in the whole country.
@@Delogros Maybe Spain had a better army but no way did the French. I wasn't much later that Agincourt and the 100 years war took place. The French relied heavily on subcontracting mercenaries from other states and they needed the help of Scotland in the "Auld Alliance" to keep England in check. France only became a true European superpower when a diminutive corporal from Corsica called Bonaparte proclaimed himself emperor.
@@Axel1051 We may have to agree to disagree on this one, for a start France in 1307 (when this battle took place as I am sure you know from what you've said but it's always good to clarify these things) had a population more then twice the size of Englands which is a pretty important point, as you say they could also afford mercenary's because France was significantly richer, the success of the English in relative terms at the start of the 100 years war was that the English had professional longbowmen which was not the case in 1307 yet, English armies would as a general rule be small but exceptional well trained for the time period when the majority of armies where essentially militias, the other strength the English would have is their commanders many of whom where excellent until they all slowly died away and, well history is history on that one :) Ultimately I suppose it depends on how you attribute military power, the main two things that would allow England to kick the crap out of France (a country on paper far far more powerful economically and militarily) didn't fully exist at this point, in fact the leadership side would take decades.
Something that I also like about this battle, apart from the strategy, is the clothing, you can easily distinguish the Scottish and the english, wearing their banners and flags, and clothing
For centuries the most ferocious & savage border battles that took place in all of Western Europe were between the Scots & English (with the sole exception being those cross border battles that the embryonic Swiss Confederation fought with its neighbors, most especially with the German Swabians in the late 1400s-early 1500s, as such large scale fights were also pretty brutal & fierce!). Of course warfare amongst the various clans up in the Western Scottish Highlands & over in Ireland was also exceedingly bloody & vicious. Yet what a fearsome & thunderous clashing of arms was brought about during such Scotland vs England death matches with all sorts of late Medieval weaponry (very much akin to that blood & mudbath depicted above). Gloriously ferocious & savage!
@lph Wow. You managed to somehow miss out the formations of the countries you are talking about. Vikings/Angles/Picts/Scots. The Scots were fighting the Angles of Bernacia pre Norman invasion. This was very much Scotland vs England. The Normans/Flemish in Scotland had a vastly different tale to tell than the conquering hordes of William.
@@michaelweston409 Every large scale battle in GoT was a epic fail from a tactical perspective. It breaks my heart because George R R Martin was a fan of the Medieval time period, he had knowledge about medieval warfare as well.
Still basically 100% fantasy from a historical accuracy standpoint. But I do appreciate the attempt at units trying to use formations and no BS like synchronized mass volleys of archer fire. And ditches!!! That said, absolutely fantastic movie.
I love that Calvary shows the English pride because Calvary is a troop you typically send to push back enemy forces or get them while retreating,but in the movie the English use this to be intimidating while not having the tactical advantage choosing style over function.
I get the feeling that battles like this is why the English had the thought that maybe...just maybe heavy cav was starting to become not as decisively effective as they once were. :3
heavy armored knights usually ended the battle early by scattering the infantry, but Robert used the terrain and traps to completely nullify the men and horses. You can hear Aymer de Valance shouting "break through however you can" before a knight helplessly falls into the mud. Once a cavalry charge is halted by obstacles or men, its usefulness deteriorates to the point of becoming a liability.
