BUCK DROPPERS?! 350 Legend Winchester Deer Season XP 150gr Ammo Test

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Become a Channel Member! / @masonoutdoors_masonle... 350 Legend Winchester Deer Season XP 150 grain ammo ballistics gel test fired from a Ruger American Ranch with 16 inch barrel.
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All shots are fired from a distance of 100 yards so as to encompass the majority of common real world hunting scenarios.
I will be shooting into 10% ballistics gel from www.clearballi... that has been calibrated to meet the FBI ballistics testing protocol.
While ballistics gel isn’t an exact proxy for big game, small game, predators or defensive situations, it does provide a repeatable medium through which to test various bullets and ammunitions against each other.
With each type of ammo tested I collect data on bullet penetration depth, bullet weight retention, bullet expansion and muzzle velocity.
For reference, bullet expansion is measured at the widest expanded point using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Caliper.
Bullet weight is measured using a calibrated Frankford Arsenal Digital Scale after having removed as much ballistics gel as possible from the expanded bullets.
Bullet velocity is measured using a ProChronoPal chronograph set approximately 7-10’ from the shooting bench, depending on the cartridge and muzzle blast.
I am fully aware that a chronograph measuring bullet velocity from 10’ away from the muzzle is going to register a slower velocity than if velocity were measured directly at the muzzle, but that difference is going to be so small as to be all but irrelevant in regards to comparison of actual measured velocity versus factory stated velocity.
My goal with these ballistics gel tests is to provide hunters like you and I with the most objective information possible to help us make the best choice for our particular hunting situation.
The results of these tests are my own and I cannot guarantee the same or similar performance on your part. The views and opinions expressed in this video are solely my own.
All videos are filmed in a safe and controlled environment on a private range with all applicable safety precautions by a trained professional.

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@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

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@jasonmac4686 10 месяцев назад

These shoot under an inch at 100 yards out of my CVA Scout. So far I have shot six bucks with them all ranging from 170-180lbs and a hand full of does. From quartering to to perfect broad side double lung they have performed great. Longest “track” has been less than 40 yards. Most fall over within 10 yards. All shots under 100 yards.

@EC-mc7vg 11 месяцев назад

Thanks Mr. Mason Leather Man, appreciate the test. I still use these on hogs and they do fantastic. I don't understand the velocity readings, I have never seen them that slow in any testing, very strange. I usually see about 100 fps or so loss from a 20" to a 16" barrel. I will continue to use the Deer Season XP ammo as I bought HUNDREDS of them when they were cheap a few years back.

@kylethomas2291 11 месяцев назад

I have to agree. I just ran these across my chronograph yesterday and I got an average right at 2240 out of my Ruger ranch compact. Hornady 170's were right at 2280 average so I was close to your readings on those. Mason thanks for these videos/tests and keep them coming!

@jeffdanner653 11 месяцев назад

3 years , 3 deer . 26 " penetration is phenomenal . Let that sink in . 2 of the 3 shot had a HUGE exit wound . Completely through . The third bullet lodged in opposie side shoulder , over half inch expansion .

@dustinmccain1215 10 месяцев назад

Used this rd since first year in production. Works well except doesnt always pass thru a deer and leave a bloodtrail. But Im 7 for 7 with it only one deer ran over 75yds and have taken several in the 180-200lb range. Great load, great caliber.

@tray22 10 месяцев назад

I have also had great experiences with the 350 legend but I have limited it to 150 and in. At 200 yards it just doesn't have the energy I like to see for deer. 1000ft.lbs is my cut off.

@FinsandFur-y7c 2 месяца назад

I switched from Hornady Whitetail 170 to Winchester XP 150. Group size went from 3 inch at 100yds with the Hornady to 3/4 inch with Winchester xp 150, using Mossberg Patriot.

@TexasLeverGunner 11 месяцев назад

That lower velocity is probably why the bullet performed as well as it did, which is not a bad thing. Velocity isn't everything.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

Haha, that’s a great point. Had it been faster it might have supernova’d.

@albertaoutdoors9220 11 месяцев назад

Yep. That’s why a lot of older cartridges did fine with simple cup and core. But hey, if it works …it works.

@mr.mr.3301 11 месяцев назад

Agreed. That stuff sucks out of faster calibers

@TexasLeverGunner 11 месяцев назад

Slow and heavy, slow and steady. ;) @@masonoutdoors_masonleather

@Cloud4hundred20 20 дней назад

Idk why but my gun really favored the 150 grain xp. So because of that I try not to put a bunch of different rounds thru my rifle. Idk why but I try to only feed the ammo the gun likes if that makes sense. And when I say that I mean the gun is super clean shooting. And very accurate very consistent. Not sure if the FPS because I have no chrono graph but as far as hitting the target at a variety of ranges and burning clean leaving the gun running smooth with very little foulin

@tray22 10 месяцев назад

I have three 350Legend rifles. CVA Cascade and a Ruger American with the longer barrel both averaged right around 2400fps. My AR upper with a 18" barrel comes in at 2250fps. The HSM rounds with Hornady CoreLock seems to be the best from my AR but the pther two guns like the Deer Season XP.

@markblankenship8565 7 месяцев назад

I have a cva cascade they get right at the box velocity I shoot all of Winchester ammo but I hunt with the 160 gr power max tremendous generation. Happy shooting.

@JohnWest-yc9ol 11 месяцев назад

Can't wait to see the federal fusion loads for 350 legend .

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

I haven’t tested that one yet but will when I get ahold of some, it’ll be interesting to see how the Fusion does at these velocities.

@mot0rhe4d40 10 месяцев назад

Daughter took her first buck with this load last weekend. Pass through heart/lung shot, 11 pointer 👍. I know first hand that the 357 magnum is a caliber that will continue to utilize barrel length to great effect. The 350L is a stretched limo version of the classic 357. Can't help but wonder if likewise, it wouldn't shine more out of a 20" barrel or if it is just loaded slower than stated. We All Know A Manufacturer Would Never Fudge Their Numbers. 🙄 Would They? 😆

@Dougarrowhead 9 месяцев назад

Its a .355 not .357

@hardball107 4 месяца назад

Agree completely with your comments. The 350L is not a powerhouse and IMHO it's marginal for whitetail hunting. I had a 357 Maximum in a T/C Super 16 pistol back in the day. I'm a reloader and my loads were very close to your results with the stock ammo, a little slower because of the 16" barrel but within 100fps and I was using 158gr XTP's for hunting. After 2 deer lost and 3 deer tracked requiring a second shot with solid shoulder hits within 100 yards I sold that barrel. I did buy a Ruger American in 350L because I needed a rifle to break in my grandkids, something with lighter recoil they could shoot cast loads out of, in other words cheap ammo. Shooting cast and powder coated Lee 358-158-rf bullets resized to .355" @ 1755fps it's a great cartridge for learning and tons of fun against water filled beer cans, with a 9mm 147gr XTP it would be a great defense round in an AR so I decided to take it hunting 2 seasons ago. I was pretty disappointed, 2 deer hit under 100 yards with thru and thru shoulder shots, tracking all afternoon for a harvest it didn't impress me and brought back all those memories of long ago. I also have a 16" Ruger American in 450 Bushmaster which I believe is the champion deer harvester of them all inside of 250 yards. 10 seasons, 12 deer, only 2 took more than 2 steps and those dropped in less than 15 yards. All I can say is put your big boy pants on, tighten your belt and spend your money on a 450. The 350 has it's place for smaller or recoil sensitive shooters, my 14 year old granddaughter loves mine but maybe the 400L would be a better choice in that regard, the jury is still out on that one.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 4 месяца назад

I can confirm 450B is an absolute sledgehammer compared to 350L. Just like you said, 350L is easy and loads of fun to shoot, if I were to hunt with it I’d be very particular about the ammo I’d use and shots I’d take.

@sayimsgt4953 11 месяцев назад

This load is all we use. to comment on the velocity. great for youth, lower recoil, but effective. test you POA and expected ranges. don't trust a box. I will be switching loads based on this series due to price per box for xp.

@ppha7665 10 месяцев назад

I'm suprised u got such low MV. My 5 shot average with this ammo was 2334 fps out of a 20" barrel CVA Cascade using a Caldwell chrono.

@Cloud4hundred20 20 дней назад

For some reason my rifle really loves the 145 target rounds. Super accurate with this round for some reason.

@ronwinn879 11 месяцев назад

Hey man - digging your videos. Recently subscribed and going through past videos. Have the .300 BO Ruger Ranch and was shocked at accuracy - about 1” with 110 grain (however found them a little light on deer last year). I think it would be helpful to have a 3 shot group for accuracy with your ammo reviews. Keep on with the great content - howdy from Fredericksburg Texas!

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

Glad to be of service and glad you’re enjoying the videos! There are several reasons I don’t include accuracy testing in these videos, however I will be making some dedicated ammo accuracy test videos in the future.

@ronwinn879 11 месяцев назад

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather thanks for the response! Look forward to it. I’m going to try a 125 grain 300 BO. However, my gut feeling is that I should trade off to a 350 Legend or 30-30. My goal is to find something for my kids to keep inside 150 yards.

@deanriver9388 11 месяцев назад

In my opinion and experience. The Winchester Powermax Bonded hollow point 165 grain is the best choice.

@1Whitetail 2 месяца назад

Don't have a 350 yet but been looking. Enjoy your videos.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 месяца назад

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@joecentral-o9984 11 месяцев назад

I've got the old ammo boxes, no cool bucks for me. Can't wait to see what she does. Ouch that wasn't impressive.

@Cloud4hundred20 20 дней назад

Got a sweet 3.5 lb trigger pull super crisp clean break with fast reset. Topped with a Burris full field scope 3*9 power scope

@michaellewis5624 3 месяца назад

I took 1 nice 8pt at 150 yards. Just behind the shoulder, good damage to lungs and liver. Bullet stopped under the skin of the opposite shoulder, no pass through. Buck ran about 60 yards. I think the 350L is a 150 yard max hunting round. It's not a powerful round for sure but it will get the job done if you realize it's limitations.

@matthewwagner4042 11 месяцев назад

Just picked up a 350 legend today(CVA Cascade), picked up 40 of these rounds.

@spartanhunter6269 10 месяцев назад

These are GREAT. I am in the midst of my annual analysis if what ammo we should use for my pops, son's .350s (I use a .450). The xps just dont exit and often entry is smaller than dime. So...no blood. Does kill them. But if track is needed... trouble! Any chance you are going to publish all of these in a matrix/summary? I am leaning towards Barnes and would like you to try the Bear Creek Ballistics... But would love to see them all compared side by side...

@nikos6220 11 месяцев назад

Totally agree with TexasLeverGunner, the low speed is probably a feature and not a bug. Points to Winchester actually testing their stuff and deciding to reduce the speeds to cope with a poor projectile design. But you get what you pay and this stuff will surely do the job on a good hit.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

If so they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t, because if it’s on purpose then the numbers on the box are outright lies. Based on the full breadth of results across the board on all Winchester ammo tested so far, it seems a lot more like bad QC to me than anything purposeful, especially because multiple people have confirmed these won’t even cycle in an AR (and 350L ARs are prevalent if not a primary platform for the 350L).

@nikos6220 11 месяцев назад

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather bad QC on that level would be even more worrisome. But probably you are right. Another cool channel has a recent video on a squib out of a 400 Legend. Seems the powder was contaminated. Good thing he recognized it.

@michaellewis5624 21 день назад

I like the 350L but it just doesn't have much gas, limit it to 150 yards.

@cal1776 11 месяцев назад

I like your test protocol.

@rynerenzaglia8006 11 месяцев назад

Great job 👍🏾

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

Thanks!

@Cloud4hundred20 20 дней назад

I used the 150 grain xp Winchester bullets and man did they perform..

@Conzesuka 11 месяцев назад

This load is definitely weaker than most. It won't even reliably cycle in my CMMG. It ejects, but won't hold open on last shot, or push the carrier back far enough to pick up the next round.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

Dang that sucks, glad to hear confirmation this stuff is or at least has been loaded weak from another source.

@donwilson350 10 месяцев назад

Yeah but what I don't understand is if the bullets were tested with the 20 inch barrel and you had a shorter Barrel it's going to be slower

@Mikey82688 2 месяца назад

That's exactly what I was thinking

@Big_Bow_Nerd 20 дней назад

Hey Mr Mason, if you had to choose one 350 legend load to use for whitetail what would it be?

@godrulesduh 10 месяцев назад

What is your pick for the best blood trail possible from the 350 rounds you've tested. We hunt very hilly, thick cover not shooting over 200 yards

@jacobhanks6605 2 месяца назад

Hey buddy, I would like to see you review Hornaday black 150gr .350Legend PLEASE

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 2 месяца назад

It’s coming

@jacobhanks6605 2 месяца назад

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather thank you. Love your complete informative videos

@homeinthewhiteoaks 11 месяцев назад

Maybe the the velocity was low due to temp? One thing I see in the reloading books for 350legend is a lot of loads for pistol powders that are not temp stable powders. Win may be saving some money by going with old stand buy powders in this load, and with powders that are not temp stabilized you have to load to a bit lower pressure for safety. AR chambers get hot, and black rifles get hot in the sun. So they may have to back down on the charge, for safety. Then in a cold chamber you are not getting up to full allowable peak pressure?

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

It was over 100 degrees when I fired these and I fired all other 350 Legend loads tested in the same few days, same temperatures, nothing else was this slow. Several people have confirmed this load won’t cycle in their ARs at all. However you cut it, these did not measure up velocity wise to factory claims.

@PassivePortfolios 11 месяцев назад

Good bullet performance. Should be faster from the typical 22" barrels. The only question is how is the accuracy in YOUR rifle? Some rifles are more accurate with heavier bullets and some with lighter ones.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

22” is not the typical barrel length for 350 Legend, 16-18 inches is orders of magnitude more prevalent.

@John_Redcorn_ 11 месяцев назад

@@masonoutdoors_masonleatheryep. AR lengths

@edeldridge36 11 месяцев назад

Man, that velocity is very disappointing. I have a couple boxes of this that I haven't tried yet. 🤔🤔

@leonardcavaretta905 11 месяцев назад

Have you tried or do you plan on testing loads in the new Remington .360 Buck Hammer rounds?

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

Eventually, when it is more available

@garrettschienschang7898 11 месяцев назад

How do you think a handload 180jsp 357 projectile would do in a 350 legend?

@LoggyBayou 11 месяцев назад

Would perform well....But may have issues feeding.

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

No idea, probably depends on the particular bullet

@keithreese9636 11 месяцев назад

I've handloaded Hornady 180gr xtp hollow points for my 18.5" marlin 357magnum @ a little over 1700fps. Did great shot through water jugs, made perfect mushroom.

@garrettschienschang7898 11 месяцев назад

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather so I’m hearing take apart a 38spl with a 110htp and see what happens

@John_Redcorn_ 11 месяцев назад

Ill bet my paycheck theyd fragment terribly at 2k+ speeds

@jameswilson5562 11 месяцев назад

Does good in a 300 win

@tannernorton7868 11 месяцев назад

The thumbnail makes those almost look like 22 mags you could barely tell the difference because of the case head rim

@BallisticFix 10 месяцев назад

What scope rings are you using on this rifle?

@LongBinh70 8 месяцев назад

Is this a different loading from the original 150, or just a different box?

@rashick11 8 месяцев назад

The brass is no longer nickel plated. Other than that, I do not know.

@chadperry4021 11 месяцев назад

Anyone know if this bullet is available as a reloading component?

@ryanr219 11 месяцев назад

So i have the same ranch as u . These rounds were accurate in gun so i bought a few boxes. Would you ditch these for deer?

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

Not if I already had some, they check all the important boxes. They wouldn’t be my first choice or even in my top 5 if I didn’t already have some.

@ryanr219 11 месяцев назад

Thanks

@mskittles320 9 месяцев назад

Have killed 5 deer with 5 shots, ranging from 45-90 yds. 4 broadside double lung ran 30-50 yds, last one was 70 yds quartering to, hit shoulder (double lung) dropped at shot and didn’t move. All shots have been pass throughs. CVA Cascade.

@PD-we8vf 11 месяцев назад

What does The XP mean? Is it the same across all calibers?

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

It means eXtreme Point, it is the same across all calibers as they all have the “Extreme Point” bullet

@PD-we8vf 11 месяцев назад

@@masonoutdoors_masonleather is the point made out of lead or plastic?

@orestskubish2125 3 месяца назад

Winchester is cheap on powder, you should try it stay away from it and buy better ammo😮

@lambchop777 11 месяцев назад

One thing Iv learned from these ammo reviews is that Deer season XP is junk across the board

@masonoutdoors_masonleather 11 месяцев назад

The results certainly do vary quite a bit, and often skew towards not what I’d personally prefer.

@TonyFreeman-LocoTonyF Месяц назад

Slower from your shorter barrel.

@cs776 9 месяцев назад

Winchester ammo is total garbage. 25% of my last box of 20 failed to fire OR was not safe to shoot due to the bullet not being seated in the brass properly ( very loose). Customer Service wanted me to do ALL of the work to show them THIER poor workmanship! Avoid Winchester ammo!