Budget Precision .223: Results and Conclusion

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This is it! The wrap-up of the Budget Precision .223 series highlighting the TC Compass rifle in .223, as well as the LEE Deluxe Challenger Press Kit. The results speak for themselves!
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@shaneengelberts120 4 года назад

Thanks for this plain,no bs evaluation of the complete package.Here un South Africa anything firearm related is very expensive. This open the doors for maaaany people. Thumbs up!

@06GTblue 6 лет назад

Awesome videos on the Budget Precision 223 series. Video, audio and instruction were clear. Purchased a T/C Compass in November, however, have not tried reloading. Hopefully one of these days. Keep the videos coming!

@theElderberryFarmer 6 лет назад

Great stuff, Gavin. Thanks for sharing!

@petemartin4300 Год назад

Impressed both with the set up and video !

@tracey1013 6 лет назад

I have the Lee Single Stage press and its been great. Not fast for pistol rounds but I love it for rifle. I've been reloading .223 for a while now and tiring out some different powders from Hodgon. I found that I got the best results from the Varget and the CFE223 at the 10% below the max load. I've been using local projectiles call Campro, they have a good 55 gr BT. It was a great series of videos and you have a new subscriber.

@nickybigg1773 4 года назад

Awesome series

@derweibhai 6 лет назад

On the TC Compass, if you remove one of the 2 nuts on the trigger, and replace it with a washer 1/2 as thick, you can get an amazing creep/overtravel free trigger with about a 2-1/2 pound pull. I locktite the other nut as well. Damn near a free upgrade. I can bounce the cocked rifle on the butt pad pretty hard, and the striker will not fall.

@stewmanmilner7843 4 года назад

Keep up the great work! Much appreciated!!

@coyotiess Год назад

GREAT VIDEO!

@4arrowsarmory335 6 лет назад

Wow! That was great and inspiring. Thanks and God bless!!!

@michaeljohn8905 6 лет назад

Always well informed videos 👍.

@motoparty1 3 года назад

Got the same gun and love it! With my 5x25 Vortex it’s a five in one hole nailer. FWI I wore out my mag and none to be had. Good luck finding one.

@sethvermaaten7584 6 лет назад

Thompason Compass in 223 is a fun and precise rifle, lots of fun to reload for and shoot! Thank you for this very good and interesting series on the rifle and precision reloading!

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Thanks, it's been a lot of fun!

@Jeff_Seely 2 года назад

That is the handload kit that I use right there and I find that it is quick and consistent every time all for about 200 bucks plus dies. They no longer sell that bench priming tool with the deluxe package though. Instead you get a hand priming tool which doesn't bother me a bit. I full length size my brass every time. I'd rather not risk tearing up my bolt trying to lock a cartridge that has not been sized. And with 6.5 Creedmoor, I do not see a difference between neck and full resizing, just like you. Thanks for the video. I love the practical value of that set up.

@wadestarnes130 3 года назад

great info keep up the great work ! thanks Gavin

@billkelley2388 4 года назад

i purchased a tc compass in 204 Ruger so i could do a very similar project, i wanted to see how accurate i could make a very inexpensive rifle. i installed m carbo trigger spring kit, glass bedded, lapped lugs, and with precision reloads i shot a .209 group today with many 1/4 inch groups with rifles under 300 bucks thats simply amazing. tc compass rifles are built cheap fit and finish is cheap the trigger in factory form is not so hot but they are capable of amazing accuracy in this price point. also for this extreme low budget project i used a vortex copperhead 4x12x44 scope and even though they are cheap they are a killer value the clarity and function are very good for what you spend.

@colinbiggs244sniper 2 года назад

Excellent , thanks 😀

@Bidimus1 5 лет назад

Added a roll of 8mm cast lead bullets (4-6 ounce in 2 baggies) then closed cell foam in to the stock, pushing the "roll" as far forward as possible lowered recoil a bit (6.5 Creedmore) made a diy cheek riser as well with same closed cell foam sport wrap and moleskin.

@joemiller7830 3 года назад

Just got my TC yesterday in 5.56/223 and while using surplus milspec 5.56 ammo and got 3 shot less than 1 MOA at 100 yrds. Quite pleased, not sure why would need to spend $800 to $1000 for a hunting rifle when can get this type of result with a budget rifle. Yes it is utilitarian which is what I wanted. love this rifle and will be interesting as start extending the range and try various loads.

@maxmccain8950 6 лет назад

I got mine in 6.5 CM for $189 after rebate. Great rifle.

@Life-ch8rj 6 лет назад

My same experience with the Lee dies and press. I've shoot groups in the .1 @100 yds with ammo load with Lee dies. I'm not a benchrest shooter so there's no need for me to spend more money for other brands. I'm happy to live in the X ring!! Nice shooting and good review.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Wow, that's impressive, thanks for sharing!

@stricklandsports 4 года назад

I appreciate that in the video, you use the entire Lee reloading kit and Lee dies/shell holder to obtain the accuracy you demonstrated possible. A lot of folks get bent out of shape over particular brand names of reloading gear and conclude that because they produce inexpensive (cheap) equipment, that it translates to inferior ammunition. That ammo you loaded is more accurate than most shooters are capable of shooting. Well done.

@TacticalTack 6 лет назад

Great gun. I've got mine in 223/556 and with 55 grain American Eagle FMJ (cheapo) I consistently get .80" 5 shot groups.

@ctsteve1967 5 лет назад

nice

@SlingsAxes 6 лет назад

Impressive kit price, and very impressive results.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Thanks, yes, a great kit!

@sociopathmercenary 6 лет назад

Got my TC Compass 300 Win Mag for $199 after rebate last weekend. Probably destined for a SWFA SS scope and reloading setup during Black Friday sales. Totally happy so far.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Sociopath Mercenary That’s a great deal!!!

@zanpekosak2383 6 лет назад

Here in europe a similar one 680€ on the cheapest site!😂😭

@aragorn1079 5 лет назад

Same . in 308

@o2wow 6 лет назад

Great series, thank you very much. I have the same rifle and get the best results with a Sierra 53 grain HPBT over 26.4 gr of Varget powder.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Sweet- thanks for sharing!

@o2wow 6 лет назад

New project suggestion, the PR article in the current American Rifleman. www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2018/3/19/build-your-own-precision-bolt-action-rifle/

@jacobg1721 6 лет назад

Wow, That's awesome! Just got my rifle & love it. But I need to adjust my trigger cause mine came set a little to heavy.

@2010calvert 4 года назад

Love my stevens m200 in .223. I reload with win748 at 26.1 gr on a 55gr bullet and get about half MOA if I'm taking my time

@heytonyman 6 лет назад

I also had good groups with Varget but wasn't seeing the velocity nodes or speed I expected from the combo. Ended up with 26.6g H4895, full prep Winchester case, CCI 400 primer, 53g V-Max at 2.330" COAL .020 off the lands. 3300fps, low single digit SD's over the Magnetospeed, and literally one ragged 5-shot hole from a TC Venture (same barrel).

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Thanks for sharing- sounds like a GREAT load!

@traviswest2546 5 лет назад

Excellent vids sir.....just found u....where have u been all my life

@masonmiller1066 4 года назад

If you’re considering doing another one of these, try a savage model 12 .223. I’ve shot .398 inch groups with handloads. Not too much money either.

@hdmungeryt 3 года назад

Gavin, have you ever considered rebarreling one of your T/C Compass rifles with an aftermarket barrel? I recently did mine using a Remington 700 Remage barrel from Criterion (Northland Shooters Supply) and then had the counterbore machined off to leave only about 0.050" (matched the old Compass barrel) and removing about 1/8 inch of the end of the barrel threading to allow the gas port to be unimpeded for a case rupture/primer piercing situation. No one ever talks about re-barreling a Compass because its an inexpensive rifle to begin with, but if you were to use it as the basis of a budget precision build, ostensibly one would shoot it out enough to need a new barrel...and this seems like a relatively easy way to do that in a market that doesn't seem to be interested in after market components for a good but inexpensive rifle.

@Zraupp10 6 лет назад

less then .5 MOA with my compass 6.5 Creedmoor with Norma Match 130 Grain, and Hornady Match 120 Grain.

@buddybbuddyb3687 3 года назад

The Hornady Concentricity gauge on your bench I have the same model and found the spring loaded adjustment shaft had .008 of an inch play in the housing ( side to side/up/down weblewoble). How does Hornady expect to find case concentricity when there is end shake in the handle housing. I checked several of these at two LGS and found them all to have end shake. I took mine to a machinist and he installed a bushing to correct the slop.

@bixby9797 3 года назад

I bought four T/C Compass at the great Gander Mt Fire sale with rebate they were $170 each. 30-06, 270, 308 and 6.5. Kinda redundant but I couldn't pass that deal up. All came in under 1 MOA with factory. 308, with first handloads .6 MOA. These are the best value out there I think neck and neck with the Savage Axis. Wife's 243 with first handloads came in .87 How far have we come when factory "cheapo" rifles out of the box can do this with factory ammo?

@glennanderson2790 4 года назад

Bought one in .223 last year, tack driver with factory ammo.

@cman1995ful 6 лет назад

Hi UR! May I ask how often do you clean your barrel and what method you use to do so? PS: I'm from South Africa and own a Savage Axis II in .223 (basically the cheapest one to buy here in 223) and get results like you have gotten with 55Gr Hornady V-Max all day long. Thanks!

@roquri 6 лет назад

If you have a lathe, you could make muzzle thread caps of slightly different lenghts. Change the length, change the barrel harmonics with a particular load. You can tune the rifle to a load instead of load to the rifle.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

That's an interesting idea! (yes, do have a lathe)

@roquri 6 лет назад

gavintoobe Just a poor mans version of the browning boss system.

@capnbly 6 лет назад

What are your thoughts about this Compass specifically being chambered in 5.56 Nato . Do you think it has a significant effect on the 223 round in regards to velocity and accuracy?

@edmobley3 6 лет назад

You could do a video on how you outfitted that shipping container/studio...

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Good call! :)

@johnmosesbrowning5831 4 года назад

Did you ever shoot any heavier stuff, like 70-77 grains?

@buddybbuddyb3687 3 года назад

By the way my Ruger American is only doing 5/8 groups at best 100 yards with reloads.

@hak5323 6 лет назад

HI THE LEE DELUXE CHALLENGER PRESS KIT WHAT IS THE PART NUMBER?

@HollywoodMGB3 3 года назад

How did you decide on what weight bullet to use?

@scottdenfeld6956 6 лет назад

Not sure if you ever have, but can you make a video on how you develop a load - things like varying powder charge, chrono usage, and other details. I am really looking forward to developing a load for my .270 Win, but I have not found many resources on how to truly get those little groups on a consistent basis. Thanks.

@hardtarget2359 6 лет назад

Scott Denfeld Go to Johnny's Reloading Bench! Here on RU-vid. He does latter tests ( different charge weights) with chrono on all kinds of calibers.

@Doubleantone 6 лет назад

Bi Pod? brand name and how to attach?

@RyanMcIntyre 6 лет назад

I never really saw much accuracy improvement neck sizing over FL sizing, although the runout tool showed neck sizing with the collet die to be really low. I think the best reason to neck size is case life, I saw double the life of brass but eventually the bolt won't close, in my case that was only after two reloads. Annealing has given me some cases with over 20 reloads, which get tossed simply for safety reasons. My current program is to neck size twice, FL size once and anneal; neck size twice, FL size once with anneal; etc.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Ryan- thanks for sharing- you make some great observations! Sounds like a good approach as well.

@RyanMcIntyre 6 лет назад

Lots of blown up cases later hahaha

@bisonuberti 6 лет назад

Ryan... Nor have I. After I fire-form my .223's and neck size my cases it is difficult to control the headspacing on the cases with the setting of the die. I like a very tight and close 0.001 headspace on my cases when I develop and reload my .223 precision ammunition. I have just about given up on neck sizing only because I am OCD about the headspacing on my ammo. Good comments. Shoot lots and stay safe.

@RyanMcIntyre 6 лет назад

Anyone I've talked to that's serious about precision rifle ammunition FL sizes predominantly, and competition has brought out that as being the most consistent method. I think neck sizing will become a relic method soon, and with the availability of cheaper and better annealing tools, won't be a process anyone uses anymore. I still do it, but I think it's habit more than anything.

@lars591 2 года назад

I have 6 .223s. None of them are semi-auto. One single shot, the rest are bolts. I have a Savage 112V that was bought in the late eighties, no slick trigger, or stock. It shoots better than most others. It has a 26" varmint weight barrel. That thing is a tack driver.

@ikesteroma 6 лет назад

Did I miss it? What slugs did you use to reload?

@rossmccoy9642 3 года назад

What range were you shooting 100 yds?

@paulvenn4447 6 лет назад

Hey mate, I'm not sure if you've ever covered it or not, but how do you store all your presses on their Inline Fab mounts when they're not on the bench in the track system? Just wondering as I'm looking at using the same system when I build my new bench and just wanted to know how you keep all those presses stored :)

@jh5869 6 лет назад

Paul Venn In-line Fabrications has a rail system just for that application. 76 Highboy Reloading has a video on.

@boomer3305 5 лет назад

i think the scope could use medium rings

@boysinthewoods3787 3 года назад

How far were you shooting

@jamescole8049 Год назад

Wish you could still do that for $600 now days

@th9797 6 лет назад

Hi Gavin, looking for that Varget recipe you mentioned, will you please take a minute to post it in the description of your video here and also in the full write up? Thanks!

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Sorry for the confusion, reviewed my records again, H-335 did better than Varget! Post is updated with load data: ultimatereloader.com/2017/10/22/budget-precision-223-results-and-conclusion/

@th9797 6 лет назад

Thanks Gavin!

@onemeangreen 6 лет назад

Did you ever try any quality .223 ammo? NO NOT PMC Bronze, NOT ANY PMC LOL. Federal match or anything else, my .308 loves the 168 Zombie for some reason. I don't have patience or time for reloading. My new TC .223 is on the way, ordered Saturday night before seeing your videos. Ty very informative!

@onemeangreen 4 года назад

Well so far no matter what I feed mine its about 5" gone:( nice vortex scope. May try another scope but seriously doubt that's the issue.

@IIDASHII 5 лет назад

I'd be all over this if they had a 1:7 twist option.

@congaronbo 3 года назад

Savage edge with Lee breech lock challenger kit and three die set and cp 4-16 scope does the same thing with Sierra seconds from Their factory outlet. 25gr varget. Bughole groups. Dirt cheap precision fun. Hand trim... Older press kit.

@halfdollar86 6 лет назад

Gavintube. Can you give me a recommendation for the best kit to start reloading with. I know each kit comes with different things and I will still have to buy more. I will bevreliading 223, 308, 6.5 creedmoor. With brand would you go with?

@jh5869 6 лет назад

Halfdollar 86 Lee make good stuff at the best prices. I use a Lee Classic Cast 4 hole Turret press. I also use a small Lee single stage press that was less than $40.00. Watch this series from Gavin and you ‘ll see. Welcome to the community!

@halfdollar86 6 лет назад

JH 586SW thanks. I want to stick to single stage for I am after precision only. Don’t care about how long it takes to reload. Quality over quantity. I have been looking at RCBS because that’s what some of my friends told me I needed but I am curious if it is really any better than LEe. Probably not. What do you think.

@j.rob.5943 6 лет назад

Halfdollar 86 Lee Classic Cast single stage with breech lock is the best value out there in a single-stage press. They’re $120-ish new and will last your lifetime and your grandkids lifetime.

@George-nt8uw 6 лет назад

Probably too late for you but for others who would like to know, get the Lee Precision Classic turret and you will not be sorry. I basically use mine to prime all brass at one time then I use the powder system to powder up all shells as Jerking the press through any other operation drops charges that can vary widely. The last two operation (bullet seating and crimping) I do sequentially on each cartridge. I like having all my dies on one disc instead of changing on a single die press. For pistol loads I go through the normal sequence of four operations. All sizing I do as part of brass prep. I also use the Lee Precision quick trim with great success. Don't forget that Lee Precision will custom make some tools for a very reasonable price. This company is great for folks who want to get things done. Lee rules.

@nolesen5699 6 лет назад

Hey, if you ever get a chance load up a mouse fart, load for your bolt action .223 55gr bullet over 8 grains of Trail boss, small pistol primer. it is a Awesome plinking varmet round. i easily get sub moa with it as well. really easy for kids to shoot as well.

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Hmmmmm.... just got 8lb of Trail Boss. You got me thinking! :)

@bobkmac 3 года назад

I wish this was doable for under 600 in 2021.

@dgreenapple 4 года назад

I have a Ruger Hawkeye M77 Predator that retails for about $1000 (I got it as a gift). I shot at the range with Fed Premium 77 Grain Sierra Match King and got 3 sub-1/2 MOA shots but then two flyers at about 1 inch. I can't get consistent groups with it and I've tried 2 or 3 other "premier quality" ammo. Your reloading option seems to solve the problem. Frankly that's a little disappointing that for $23 per box of 20 the manufacturers can't make a high quality round. Would you be willing to correspond off line to discuss getting into reloading? I can provide my email.

@stewmanmilner7843 4 года назад

For that price how can you not have one.. A little work reloading and you can embarrass your rich friends😂

@rezdog187 6 лет назад

Can you come over to my house and show me how to reload? Please I have top ramen and mt dew

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

It's not diet mt dew is it?

@sgwilsonmd 5 лет назад

Diet MD has more caffeine than regular. Caffeine and precision do not mix.

@jdmbraceyourself9860 Год назад

💯✌👌

@daporter84 2 года назад

I've really likes the Lee kit recovery the scale is garbage of you want to stay with a beam scale get the RCBS

@gfdfperte4248 4 года назад

T/C great Deal Even is you only get 1 MOA The Coyote will not know the Rifle did not shoot sub MOA. The Coyote will be just as Dead.

@illuminayt 6 лет назад

Budget precision 308?

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Good idea!

@silentbob267 6 лет назад

Nothing against .308 but I struggle to understand why someone would buy one for precision shooting these days when the 6.5 CM beats it in just about every way.

@illuminayt 6 лет назад

Craig Arnold cause I own a 308 and I’m on a budget.

@silentbob267 6 лет назад

Okay. Most of the reloading steps and equipment are exactly the same with .308 as they are with .223 so most of the info from this video would carry over and be equally relevant for .308

@illuminayt 6 лет назад

Craig Arnold yeah. I figured most would translate. Thanks.

@ditzydoo4378 3 года назад

Oh my, you used that evil word.. (Suppressor) I like to say (Moderator), it's so much fun to say and doesn't frighten the Liberals/Dem's as much...

@Liemciemdk89 6 лет назад

Scope is mile high giraffe neck to shot it

@Ultimatereloader 6 лет назад

Agree, noted in the full write-up blog post link. Low rings would make a huge improvement.

@mightyjoeyoung1390 5 лет назад

@@Ultimatereloader mediums. Lows will interfere with the front AO...

@timriddle1401 4 года назад

Just got mine. Only cost 1 1/2 rolls of toilet paper.

@alouiciousjackson5812 7 месяцев назад

This is pretty laughable today in late 2023! It would probably cost 3x as much these days.

@TOMMYSURIA 6 лет назад

You get what you pay for. Even with the after recall crappy 5-pound trigger. If you have time to waste and void the warranty; messing with the trigger spring and the foaming mess for the stock; be my guest.