Brutal! Normies being mean spirited is something I'd always thought is normal behavior and/or because of something fundamentally wrong with my inner "core" self that I have to somehow figure out and fix. This pretty much sums up how after finding the BP, though the realization can be brutal, it can also be liberating in a broad way; It's not just about being unsuccessful in dates, but the daily cortisol that you get hit with because of this sort of interactions with people: Women crossing the street to walk on the other side because they saw you approaching, other men staring you down with smug contempt, cashiers being impatient, taxis avoiding you etc. Experiencing these sorts of things as daily life is brutal, but simultaneously thinking it's something unrelated to your looks and not being able to quite understand why your life is the way it is and being oblivious to the fact that it is not true for everyone, is way more brutal. Cope it may be, but at least you know it's not your fault. A Chadlite who's never known this, but takes the BP because he's sad that he cannot get tinder dates in New York or London lives in a completely different reality.
Interestingly enough, some of those things happened to me when I was overweight. The impatient cashier and a woman crossing the street to avoid you bring back memories. I think the blackpill definitely does give you peace knowing that it's not your personality that's turning women off but your looks mostly. Thanks for your insights!
I have a close friend from high school that is a CDL. He likes it and you don't have to deal with people. It's a stressful job though as you're constantly on the road sometimes with very little sleep. Try it out and see how you like it.
Sucks you had to go through that. Although I wouldn’t consider myself unattractive necessarily, I’ve dealt with female coworkers who acted toxic towards me. Very disrespectful and underhanded comments,attitude, etc. I’m my experience it’s best to do as you said. Just call them out on it and give it right back. It takes a lot of patience to just ignore someone who is constantly mistreating you
Same experience here. My last job I was in the bottom percentile of attractive men. We mostly had female coworkers (wedding servers) and they would literally form a harem around the chadlite male. I was only tolerated under the condition that I jester-maxed. When I got quiet so did the women. Many I never even interacted with ever would go out of their way to not look at me when I was passing by. I wouldn't receive even a hello from anyone but the male coworkers (including the chadlite, who was a cool guy). At my current job I am in the top 3 most attractive males and I am treated far better by all except one female employee who kind of had it out for me by her boss is on my side and everyone else likes me. Everyone greets me first. The women try to initiate conversation with me and even flirt with me. I was asked if I go to the gym and what was the longest I've ever had a girlfriend. I'm a 30 year old kissless virgin but of course I didn't say that. I just said I don't answer those questions. I've lost jobs because of women before so I keep them at arms length no matter what. I find this also yields better interactions with them. Being the quiet, sometimes funny, sometimes overly-professional guy gives them nothing to work with. But basically my experience is the same. If I work a job where I'm in the lowest attractiveness I'm mistreated and invisible. If I work a job where I'm in the top 3 men I am by comparison practically worshiped. It's worth noting my looks have not changed between any of these jobs. Goes to show the impact of globalizing dating with apps and the internet. I see this same thing with men worse than me too. We had a 5'4 or shorter male and he quit because nobody respected him but me. Nobody wanted to converse with him. I see the blackpill all the time.
Interesting perspective man! I'm glad you notice the blackpill all the time. It's everywhere and most people don't even realize it. I've experienced something similar to you that I will outline in a video coming soon on the halo effect in the workplace. When you're one of the more attractive guys at your workplace, you definitely get a lot of attention.
Dude I was in your situation some years ago. The best thing to do is to find a “practice” girl so you can start getting some experience. Just be up and front that you don’t want anything serious, lie and say you’ve been “rusty” because of how focused you’ve been on work. Most people are mediocre at sex/foreplay anyway, if you do basic research and have a willing partner you’ll pass for an experienced man.
Ultra brutal. I had a very similiar experience being obese 300+, diffuse thinning all over the top and worked at a gas station. The worst part is at the time you dont realise it was about the looks, i thought maybe it's my personality or people are just A holes in general.
I'm what you guys probably would consider a good looking dude, 6' 1", piercing blue eyes, sharp jawline, etc. And there are some downsides in the workforce to being like that. #1 is guys assume you are soft and try and give you harder jobs because they resent that. #2 is people look to you for leadership even if you have no idea what you are doing. #3 is people assume you got lots of opportunities and will often kick you off the job in favor of someone less fortunate to give him a chance. #4 is the boss, particularly if you are a lot taller than him, he might try to humiliate you to make sure everyone knows he is on top I think people view ugly people sort beneath them subconsciously. (sad but true). But good looking guys are viewed subconsciously as a threat
I've definitely experienced #1 and #2 many times before in the past. Luckily, I have had good managers over the years and I'm definitely thankful for that.
Exactly, but dude, as a sub5, most of my torment comes from other sub5s/normies. Rarely chads. They're usually too busy laying pipe to care about tormenting some ugly dude. But it's rarely beneficial being friends with good looking guys and joining their friend group, it just ends up destroying your self confidence and their friend group kinda looks for reasons to exclude you. So whatever type of friend I pick I'm screwed. Lmao.
I’ve been in this situation at 21 at a grocery store job. I think standing up for yourself is better. Had an old job where ladies would yell. I’d simply say “I don’t respond to that tone of voice” and continue disobeying. If they go again I’d say “ok why don’t you try that again in a respectful tone?”. This nearly got me fired. Even at my firing the manager gave me a choice. Then I told him, well the choice is up to you sir. If you want to fire me, go ahead and also if you want to reconsider, go ahead. He then took a breath and was willing to compromise, and asked me what’s up. I said my co workers were disrespecting me and I just had it. He then said “it’s ok I’ll sort it out”. I kept that job for another month before quitting on my own terms
Woah I got an ad on your video, nice! Brutal story though. Losing hair at that age has to be one of the most depressing things to go through especially if you where somewhat decent looking before as the sudden change in treatment from people will hit you like a truck.
For sure man! Losing my hair at that young age was very brutal especially after noticing severe recession. I was tall and decent looking before losing my hair and it was definitely night and day treatment once I hit the NW 3 stage and beyond.
I started balding at 16. Women in high school would shooo me away. I can remember asking the ugliest girl out to prom and she laughed in my face in front of everyone. I made sure to keep my head down after that.
This is all true. I didn’t understand what was going on at my workplaces when I was young and bluepilled. I never had conversations with female coworkers. They’d only bark orders at me and amplify any mistakes I made. Even the women I thought I was on good terms with would make fun of me out of the blue when they were with someone else or when we got a new coworker. I got through it because I thought that as a man I shouldn’t let things like this get to me. But as I got older I was realizing that these same women’s interactions with other men were different. One female supervisor would even talk about masturbation with one of the tall high tier normie coworkers. I never understood how my coworker got on that level of closeness and comfort with a female coworker. I just thought maybe it was his personality and social skills. But even if I had things to say and jokes to tell, women never wanted to have a conversation with me unless it was for a brief moment to give me orders or scold me for something trivial. It really messed with my mental health because I thought I was always doing something wrong no matter what that I almost became frozen. I kept thinking my social skills were terrible. I needed to smile more. I needed to dress better. None of that mattered. I had so much confidence that I didn’t consider myself ugly. But looking back at how I really look and how the guys who the women would converse with look, I see that I must have been physically hideous.
I’m thinking of going back to school but due to my horror story at the bank I’m terrified of getting into accounting. I’m not smart enough to be a programmer so I don’t know what to do.
@@therealmcgoy4968I used to think like you a year ago about being a programmer. Trust me you don't need to be smart when it comes to programming. It only takes practice!
I can remember getting a job at a bank. I can going down to men’s warehouse to get clothes and having them tailored. It was odd because everyone who worked there was nice to me and telling I looked good in the clothes. I even got a compliment out of nowhere by other customers. I thought we’ll maybe I don’t look that bad. I can remember being or feeling confident starting my first day at the bank only to experience the total opposite and being told I suck… I’m over dressed etc… by the hr women and trainer who were both horrible towards me for two straight months. I felt so uncomfortable from them that I wouldn’t even eat my lunch in the break room. I would sit in my sub5 truck for lunch in the heat 😂. I can remember getting sent to my branch and thinking I’m safe. After a week the bitch hr lady came to my bank when the manager was out and handed me unemployment papers and told me I belong back in the warehouse I came from. I honestly never felt so hurt in my life. This was like 3 years ago. I wanted to get into the office world and away from working with my hands. I never felt more worthless in my life before. To this day I get depressed thinking about it.
Damn man, that's brutal. Sorry to hear you went through that. I hear banking is a brutal career so count your blessings that you're not still stuck working in that field.
@@ascended266 I wanted to do it just for the experience of working in a somewhat office environment. My goal was to become a loan officer while studying accounting and transition into that. I have mostly worked blue collar jobs so breaking into the office world can be difficult especially without a degree in something specific and ofcourse looks. I considered insurance too but they seem super picky. Right now I’m a janitor at a local state college. I’m in a union. It’s right next to my house and I can go to college for free. I have only an associate degree lol. It sucks they had an opening for a position (in my union), for student accounts (processing student payments). I was piss because I got passed up for it. I applied, told HR too or emailed them. I think there is nepotism going on at work. I had been there for a year so far so I didn’t even get an interview so I was pissed. I could have filed a grievance but that wouldn’t really do any good. I’ll try again after looksmaxxing. The job role did require a 4 year accounting degree or a associate degree with sone experience (I had experience from property management). I think nepotism had more to do with it than my looks for getting passed up.
I'm sorry to hear this sad story man. Is that place still in business? Making inappropriate jokes is very risky and unprofessional. Making a scene over the lack of sausage is very unpleasant for everyone. I wouldn't buy gas there, if I had a choice.
I was made fun of at work for being skinny and small (at the time). I was smaller than the women and definitely smaller than the dudes. I definitely went off at some people at some points throughout the time there.. but it wasn't as bad as school. Going from school to work everyday drove me crazy. Jokes about my weight, my small head, etc. got to me. Teenage years were not fun... I'll just end it with that.
Damn man, I'm sorry you had to go through that. I was skinny growing up so I definitely understand where you're coming from. I definitely got my fair share of skinny jokes thrown at me.
Same here man i feel this. They also made up invented shit about my ethnicity, and turned that shit into d a i l y remarks to try to anger me into throwing fists at them, then complained about getting bullied by me. Tips on how to get them fired would rly help me thanks
Losing hair at such a young age is brutal. Why does it have to start at such a young age? That's just cruel. At least have it wait til around 40 so you can still keep it through all of your 20s and 30s 😂
Agreed! I started losing my hair when I was like 20 years old and it happened super quick. I had really good hair in high school and my freshman year of college and then the dreaded Norwood reaper creeped in and stole my hairline faster than Usain Bolt can run. It was super brutal to say the least. Thanks for watching man!
@Chadlite that sucks man. It is so cruel that we still don't have good enough prevention for hair loss. I know you got the hair transplant, but the fact you needed surgery to be treated better shows how fucked up it is.
What was really pathetic was when I had supervisors who would whine about how they were bullied when they were kids, yet they become bullies as soon as they get their usually nepotism gained supervisor position. Some of them would lash out at me because I reminded them of a former friend who left them behind or betrayed them, a girl who turned them down for a date, or a mean girl who picked on her even though I was never a bully.
salute to you for sharing this. I’m a 21 , & i really needed to hear someone was going through something similar when it came to work place environment.
Yeah, it was a brutal couple of months. Ideally, you should quit a job where you're not treated well and find a workplace where you are treated decent.
Want to know if you are too unattractive for most women? Try online dating, because supposedly those women are actively looking for boyfriends. If even the not so attractive women reject you (not just ignore, straight up reject you) that is a solid indicator women see you as unattractive. it is not the final word on your social status and looks, but it makes a damn strong argument. and oh yeah, women in real life reject you as well (politely or rudely, but still a rejection) But I would argue online rejection is harsher, because online dating profile implies some interest in the possibility of meeting someone new, being "open" to dating, and possibly lowering their standards.
Yeah, online dating is probably the quickest way to guage your attractiveness level as long as you are using good pictures of yourself in good lighting. Online dating is also much more competitive than in real life dating.
@@ascended266 thats why I use "rejection" as the measuring stick of success versus failure Ignoring someone means they are over whelmed with messages and just passed your message. A rejection means, they looked at your picture, (maybe even profile) and rejected you. I read a rejection as, the other person is so turned off by you, they want to stop you in your tracks, like throwing a stop sign in someone's path. It has occurred to me, that most forms of meeting women (cold approaching, picking up women in bars, clubs, flirting, online dating) that is only for very attractive people. The average Joes have more hoops to jump through. Make friends, polish your social skills, develop interests, and become a more interesting person. Then, if a woman sees some value in you, she will be willing to make small talk with you. In other words, average joes have to climb a mountain, good looking men have a walk in a park
After years of social abuse, i dont care about women anymore, the shit from other males alone angers me so much that i dont NT woman anymore, given how ran through they are by all the normscum
i wont get into specifics but they f8cked with me I got moody instead of dealing with bullies they transferred me to another team where a chad who had seen me before hand targeted me for abuse I snapped on him and 1 of the guys from the first team I did 30 years in that office it sucks that I left with a rep as being a troubled individual while others got more cash and prizes I have had some good times but also a lot of misery as an old man my world is getting smaller and the black cloud always follows me
I dont mind living alone as a sub 5 male, but why do yall hate us so much for literally just minding our buisness...it like i dont need any talk from yall
They are repulsed by your existing. they don’t want anything to do with you and if you make like 0.1 mistake or a move they get mad very quick like they hate you for existing with them in that place. 👆 that’s what I noticed when people hate me so much for no clear reason and it happens a lot
@EchoRayX Yeah, which crazy because I don't know how my existence can make them mad so quickly. It's almost instinct. The moment they see me, it's a threat. I was never rude to those types of people or even talked to them. The only time I talk to is only about work. It's mainly because I live in NYC filled with hugely liberal blue people, minorities, druggies, feminist and I already know how these type of people are, still working with individual with asperger, that doesn't mean you can simply mind your business and your all fine working but also mean not to be simply in their presence. It's why I'm focusing on STEM relate careers such as computer science but probably don't know if it's enough to get out of poverty who has grown his whole life with a single mother in the project. I simply quit that minimum wage jobs filled with those types of people, and still, I guess finding something, like a normal career, I did finish high school but knew something about me was slow, socially atleast I have huge self awareness growing up, even more when watching black pill content, now I feel so aware and not even close to naive and that's why I can't easily be manipulated like most other on the spectrum. Even Elon Musk is kinda getting manipulated by all the liberal trolls in the media.
I get it, those comments do hurt, but from my experience some of the few kind people willing to mentor and befriend me with no strings attached were the "ballbuster" type people. And yeah exactly what I expected he sincerely apologized, but yeah it still does hurt. Its the people who dont say anything and act polite and avoid you who are the ones I learned to avoid, usually their cruelty is behind closed doors. Yeah theyre nice, but the only people who ever gave me a chance or accepted my applications were ballbusters, never the "nice" PC people. Yeah stand up right away at least let them know, communication is key. If they dont care you have free reign to torment them back lmao.
I'm a middle-aged, but pretty fit guy who has had hair-loss since his early 20's (probably about a Norwood 6). I've done FUT, FUE, and finally SMP procedures since 2000 to help improve my appearance. I also don't take any prescription drugs to fight hair-loss. I have so so coverage on top with high recession in the temples, but basically it looks best when almost shaved off. What type of hair transplant(s) did you have? Where did you go? Thank you.
I'm glad to hear you recovered some of your hair by doing a combination of FUT, FUE and SMP procedures. My first transplant was FUT from a doctor in Florida and my second transplant was FUE from a doctor in Texas. Thanks for watching!
@@ascended266 thanks for your response and likewise I'm happy for you that u recovered your hair. From personal exp. looks is foremost in creating more genuine desire or social rejection over other attributes. Be the best u can be.
@@kronosjapan No problem man! Appearance really does dictate everything in your life to a large extent. Good luck on your hair journey. I will be making a future video about hair transplants.
I gotta share my story, I used to work at a fast food restaurant to deal with tall disrespectful rude teenagers high schoolers and including middle schoolers love to gaslight me for being too way short, and they looking at me like disgust
As much as i like that, if one is getting insulted dozens times a day over the same stuff, with the perpretrators goal of provoking you into physical fight to them blame you for it, then how should the victim react to it? Report to Police, or go fighting, because either way the bullies will try to use it against you and pretend they didnt do anything
hey man how are the side effects of you hair loss medications like minoxidil and fenasteride.. ?? i am at NW 1 and my hair is thining but am scared of finasteride.. I am a brown mexican so idk if it could give me the negative side effects.. also is your hair fully back and thick?? thanks man
Hey Leon, I have not experienced any side effects from Finasteride or Rogaine Foam and I'm very thankful. I have a good hairline with pretty good density in the front. My mid zone is pretty full and my crown is still slightly thin. I wouldn't say I have a full head of hair but I use Hairatin fibers in the front and the crown which make me appear like I do. I hope this helps!
I was a\ cashier just a few months and Im 300 pounds like you use to be so everything youre saying is what I went through. Not the exact same situations obviously but the treated was the same@@ascended266
happened to me as well but just cuz i am tan taco cel with a big nose.. i was working at chick fil a and this tall no chin having white girl hated me for no reason good thing I had other mexicans that defended me.. oh and she got fired cuz she was a very big dramma queen... I am balding now so i need a nose job and hair treatment.. scared of the side effects off finasteride though.. have you suffered any bad side effects of finasteride?? also i am a really hard worker and learn fast so people defended me because mexicans cherish hard work.. but if i were alone with white normies they would have blamed for everything..
@@JakeLesser got it.. my hair is like the ufc fighter Michael Chandler now.. hate being a sub5.. it's like every bad trait gets stacked into one person non stop...
Hi Leon, I've been very lucky to have not experienced any side effects. Who knows as I get older if I will but thankfully I haven't. The good thing is that if you experience side effects, you can stop and things will typically go back to normal. I wished I would have gotten on Finasteride way earlier.
I want to go that route but afraid because I’m sub5 that I would be not hired. I lost job at bank gif being ugly. That terrified me of working in that sort of environment. I don’t know what to do I don’t want to pay for a degree to be never get hired.
I worked with a load of blokes we used to travel on a coach and they knew I was single with no girlfriends and the amount of abuse I received so all your saying is not much 😂
