Bungie Actually did it 😱 an Igneous Hammer Competitor (God Roll Crimils) 

Crimils dagger does have sulking wolf

​@@Ayo_zakthats the intrinsic, he was talking about 3rd and 4th column (dont know which column they roll)

Iron Reach, as an example

Iron reach, iron grip, iron gaze, will be way more useful than slideways. He almos never proc it on the video and he was sliding like crazy

@@andresenamorado3651 cuz he didnt have slideways on that roll lmao

Same!

Get one and I promise you will notice that it’s really good.

Or fluted, flared, with range master. You want at least 40 stability.

For me, if a gun has low range, at least of good stability, if a gun has low stability, at least have good range, for example Lunas howl has okayish range but make up for it with good stability, igneous hammer has okayish stability but makes up for it with good range

i have small bore but otherwise this exact roll. glimmer broke so i cant full enhance the perks but ready to give it a try

I agree with you on the moving target being a dueling perk. I actually had the roll ZK mentioned in stream and used it for a bit but for me I preferred my moving target roll instead of slideways. Moving target gives that extra aim assist and speed bump needed.

@@imcubanbe3841 exactly. Cause like, I feel the whole point of 120s is to put out large chunks of damage while closing the distance from cover to cover. And to me, I think that movement speed and aim assist are more helpful than the boosts from slideways

Was about to say the same.😂😂😂

still prefer rose...

It’s because it’s an aggressive frame so like round robin, and Igneous they have higher recoil but they deal more damage so there better for range fights

I mean you prolly think the tesla truck is one of the best looking cars on the market then? 😂

@@Rinickulous1106just try calus's selected on the gun, It makes it look great.

@@MrWarpig im poking fun

The roll he's using doesn't have slideways

Kill clip doesn’t consistently two tap any longer when bungie made the resilience changes

You have a point but imo found verdict feels 10x better than conditional.

@@ammuhautaavaikene123 Well sure. As a shotgun, nothing about Conditional actually stands out. If it didn't hard counter Bubble and softcounter Well, it wouldn't be used as much. That's the problem, though. Bungie keeps putting capture points in competitive PvP which means there's always a Bubble/Well and Conditional is the only cross-class counter to it that won't really impact your build in any way to run.

This right here. I now have over 500 kills (yes, I haven't seen the sun in a few days) on crimil's dagger and can confidently say this 120 is more consistent than my Iggy adept (precision instrument godroll). And because of its scope and small red dot, it allows me to hit even tighter shots that would be much harder to do with the profile igneous hammer has. Like you said, only reason it probably won't be my main in trials is because conditional finality is extremely strong and consistent

​@@ForeverLaxxthis I can't agree with lol. Almost everything about conditional stands out. It has near max handling without any proc needed and it's stasis shots makes it incredibly consistent and seemingly hit further away. Right now, people aren't using well or bubble that often, but conditional is absolutely way more consistent at mapping.

@@Mr-R.R. It's "mapping" range is mathematically lower than the best Legendary shotgun options. The max handling "issue" is meaningless when most every competitive shotgun uses Perpetual Motion/Surplus/Quickdraw/Snapshot where applicable. You're not going to be able to convince me otherwise. The numbers do not support the conclusion.

You gotta remember there’s some people that don’t use anything but a pulse rifle in pvp because of how bad their aim is💀

@@opiumdou9885 HCs literally shoot meteors

@@opiumdou9885pulses are meant for precision tho. Surely you meant khvostov

@@Mona-.-man fr i doubled my kd with khvostov

They are once you get a feel for 120s

It's an extra 5 over the normal version of the perk, not 5 total lol

@@TMcSauce Ah of course. Thanks.

Man! Stop playing Destiny troll!

Rangefinder sucks though

@terribletimes902 drop mag is a free reload perk, so rangefinder is just a bonus.

No one said they didn't and 180's exist

@@haydenbell1758 so why would i take this hand cannon?…

​@@luccalima4624 120's are better for consistent 3 taps due to ease of use, more range and better for teamshooting.

@@luccalima4624 it's a REALLY good hand cannon it was good since it's been released in early d2 there's plenty of good energy shotguns to pair with it or fusions if that fits you. But don't ask me if you don't like it don't get it lol

@@luccalima4624 plus enhanced precision instrument gives more damage than regular with radiant I was hitting 124 for a headshot plus you can chain it to the next player for a surprising two tap

Feels better tho. I played 10 games with god roll igneous, then 10 games with an ok crimils and it felt better so i played another 10 games with igneous and vaulted it. This gun feels phenomenal! It feels so good there must must be some sort of a bug with recoil or something else 😄

Psn too

The difference is so big that it’s like comparing apples and oranges, but Igneous is neither of them. It’s Sugar on the most basic form. You like it. You want to put everywhere. But you know that it is negatively affecting you, but you don’t care. It’s delicious to use. How something is so good can be bad at the same time? That’s Igneous. Crimil is your orange.

@@Ace-ob9yk also Bungie doesn’t really seem to know what to do about igneous. They clearly don’t want other 120s to have those stats as shown by their ridiculously minuscule stat buffs to crimil’s and something new, but they refuse to reduce Igneous’s stats. I’m not saying they should be reduced, but Bungie needs to make up their minds cuz 120’s are in the weirdest spot right now

@@literallyjustaglassofmilk3609 I don’t think they should nerf, but yeah they could buff more all the others. Just enough so the difference is not that big between Igneous and the rest.

Imo crimils feels alot better than igneous and my roll is Hammer forged, ricochet, rapid hit, eots and adept range with stability mw. Also i prefer found verdict over conditional. But for each their own.

@@ammuhautaavaikene123 the good news is that crimil’s is basically the closest thing we have to igneous. Something New the solstice HC is slightly slightly worse than crimil’s but has better perks

Compass rose

@@simplyfitness892no, duality

Literally someday is better than conditional 💀 so literally like matador or something😂

Conditional finality isn't a must have man

☝️ people above me does not have conditional

It’s never going to be top tier

I have a really good roll and it’s not that bad, not quite as good as igneous obv but still easy to use

Alright alright…. troll go back to you dungeon 😂

@@zac3k33 I’m a troll because I annunciate when I speak? Or because I expect the “so called professionals” to not speak broken English? Seems like you’re the only troll around here, go back under your bridge. That is where trolls are, not dungeons #Simp

@@zac3k33 “go back to you dungeon” 👀 Do you mean your* I think you mean go back to YOUR dungeon. If you’re going to come at people in the comment section you better know how to spell and proof read 🤣👍

I got a big face my bad