My Father, Haydn White is on the far right. back row. Go to 2:33 and 4:33 you will see him doing a couple of little solos :) Is that Uncle Tommy at 8:31 JP?
Gwyn Have been enquiring for ages if the sop player in CWS line up in the early 50,s was Haydn White. So pleased you confirmed this and that he was your dad. He used to come and play with us in Rhyl Band in the late 40,s and early 50,s Your uncle Tommy was my cornet teacher when I joined Rhyl as a 12yr old. Tommy moved from Rhyl to CWS n 1952. Many years later Tommy came to Point of Ayr colliery Band to conduct us on a contest in Blackpool. Fond memories.
Remember rehearsing in CWS's bandroom before Bellevue contest many years ago. Amazing to see all the history and memorablia there. Probably all gone now.
Fabulous to hear this and see the great Eric Ball conducting. Had the honour of him conducting/rehearsing our band at a Salvation Army camp in 1979. Unfortunate that the recording is running so fast. The band should be at A = 452.5 (high pitch, that was in use by brass bands at the time). In this film, they are at around A = 490-ish. Maestro Ball's voice also sounds artificially high..
Yes that’s right. As I mentioned a while back, if you know brass fingerings, you can see at 1:41 that the euphonium fingerings are in the key of Db CONCERT, but are sounding in this video very close to Eb CONCERT at modern tuning where A=440. At the high pitch tuning standard in use at the time (A=452.5), they should be sounding somewhere in between Db and D CONCERT, so the recording is running over-speed enough to the make them sound about a semitone sharper than the actual pitches they played. This of course has a marginal but noticeable effect on tempo as well..
If you consider that the pitch standard in use at the time (A=452.5) put their A at 12.5 Hz higher than the modern A=440, but 13.66Hz LOWER than the modern Bb (466.16 Hz), the sounding pitch of this recording is well over a semitone higher than they were actually playing.
Goodness. How "tight" is the ensemble (and some nifty soprano playing!). This must be one of the earliest brass band concerts preserved on film? What an elegant figure Mr Ball cuts on the rostrum (was struck by his physical resemblance to Charlie Chaplin) . This would have been not long after he parted company with the SA on less than friendly terms.
@@johnpatrick4137 I don't sorry. The following quote from Ball may be of interest " I think CWS really was the best band I ever had ..... they got Fred Roberts from Brighouse as Bandmaster ..... Derek Garside came to the Co-op from Brighouse, one of the truely great cornet players of all time ....we had one or two ex SA players as well ....their sound was as natural as speech .... "
Interesting to see the G player not using a handle, even though he plays a low Ab in the passage starting at 6:39. Long arms! More possible in high pitch of course... Can't make any sense of the second trombone player's positions at 6:42. Probably just player error..
