Slime God Theme: • Terraria Calamity Mod ... The terraria calamity mod lore Part something: Are the gods actually guilty? #xeroc #namelessdeity #terraria #calamity #lore #Draedon #yharim #providence
the gods are guilty. the dragons wouldn't have stayed dead if their auric souls weren't consumed. unless you believe the life of a dragon is inherently less important than the power of the gods, the gods are guilty. Yharim's actions were flawed, but his reasoning was valid.
it's also probably fair to add that Yharim at least started the idea that the gods were evil due to his relation with Yharon. I interpret it as Yharim thinking that absorbing an auric soul is an act of evil, no matter the intentions
As someone who's very well versed in the lore, the gods exist on a moral spectrum. The dragons likely did as well, as they were specifically described as "sapient". At the end of the day, they were all just individuals. The key thing to remember is that Yharon, in his grief and rage, is implied to be the one who was feeding a then younger Yharim these genocidal ideals. Yharim ultimately went to extreme measures and all that, but he probably never would have done so if Yharon hadn't put those notions in his head. What both of them fail to understand is that the actions of the individual do not uplift or chastise the whole. So even when they encounter a god who is, by all means, worthy of their title, their cognitive dissonance and bad faith arguments reject that reality in lieu of preserving their worldview. The idea of a benevolent god would mean going against everything they had witnessed because to them, the very existence of a god is a crime in and of itself. They are just too embittered from their shared past to see things for how they really are and how the gods use their powers, for good or ill.
2:12 One thing I would like to note, is that Yharon is not the only Dragon to have powers of reincarnation. All the dragons had that ability, and he simply is the last one whose soul was not stolen. This means that if Otonilou had not taken the soul, she could have allowed another dragon to be reborn, and possibly assist Yharon and Yharim. On a mostly unrelated note, as I just realized this, Yharon might be the strongest of all dragons, due to the lore piece for him saying that Yharim was destined to consume his soul and rule over all the Gods, presumably even Xeroc.
Before I'm inevitably proven wrong, I would like to say I'm not actually certain Yharon wasn't the only one with reincarnation abilities. I'm going to have to read up on that.
Okay, the lore item "Requiem" dropped by Moon Lord seems to uphold that statement. I'm not sure if the egg actually needs to be laid and the power from the old dragon enters it, or if it keeps its memories. I also don't know if Yharon can just straight up appear again. I have a very poor understanding of the lore.
I’m not at my computer so sorry if this is wrong, I’m pretty sure that the resurrection abilities for the dragons actually come from Yharon himself, when they are placed on the aerie. I think it was confirmed somewhere that in terms of power, Yharon was second only to Zeratros himself. Yharon will eventually come back, but not before Yharim will fall to the player.
Yharon lends his power of Rebirth to all other Auric Dragons. Without him, no Auric Dragons would be reborn. Furthermore, Otonilou could have chosen to not absorb the Dragon's soul, but that would still leave said Dragon under the risk of getting soul-slurped by someone else (possibly worse).
There's one important thing to mention. While yes, the dragons had the ability to revive thanks to Yharon, in the Requiem lore item, it is stated that Zeratros' power would be lost forever if he were to die. This could have multiple interpretations, however my personal theory was that the dragons would lose their revival ability with Yharon's death - meaning he could have died in the fight against Fovos. This is entirely speculation, however it could explain Xeroc's act of ascending as a way to "save" Zeratros' domain and power in case of future threats to the world.
Not to mention he was badly wounded and im pretty damn sure part of the reason Xeroc did what he did was to end his suffering as stated in the battle against ML, so in this regard Xeroc was saving Zeratros the likely possibility of dying from his wounds, and with that i do believe Xeroc was doing it not just to hold the nigh omnipotent power he has now, but to become the guardian of existence, and to save his former master from a horrid death
Generally speaking, discerning who's right or wrong and who's good or bad is kinda a touchy subject. The method of obtaining the auric soul, what the gods used their power for after ascension and what their intentions were beforehand are factors that determine this. Then we have characters like Yharim, who had good intentions to bring the gods to justice, but not all of them would have slain a dragon to ascend. He also caused a lot of harm to the environment and its inhabitants either directly or indirectly (Corruption, Crimson, Hallow, Azafure, desert, Ilmeris etc.) This leads me to think, just who are we? And what are our moral standpoint? Of course it's up to the players to decide that and all. We can choose to target only progression related bosses, but of course most players fight all bosses. And really, we're just some person who came around and decided to kill and rise to power. Would that make us no different from the gods? Or are we Yharim 2.0, because we also hunt down some gods/goddesses? Plus we kill/destroy those who are neutral and have nothing to do with the whole situation like Golem and Queen Bee In my eyes, I see it as undoing his mistakes and restoring peace to the world. For certain enemies and bosses like Desert Scourge, Crabulon and Plaguebringer, I'm putting them out of their misery. All in all I could be wrong about this comment as I still don't have the whole grasp of the lore, so correct me if I'm wrong about things.
Ultimately, you are pretty much correct with the statement that the players story is generally up to them, I do think that yharim tries to steer you towards a path where you could become the person he wishes he was. There’s a lot of parallels between the player and Yharim, but also a lot that’s different, ad ultimately it’s kind of up to the individual to figure out their position in the story.
I see the Terrarian as the ultimate force of balance, not entirely good, but not a complete soulless monster. A primordial force set about to usher in a new era of peace akin to the Draconic Era.
I like to think of the terrarian as a being endowed with the final and largest fragment of the soul of the world itself (Basically the final and greatest auric soul as they are said to be the fragments of the soul of the world I think? It was somewhere in the lore... eh I don't remember). Not human, not a god, not a dragon, but an incarnation of the will of the world, righting the wrongs of its many inhabitants. Since they are the will of the world, they are absolutely neutral towards all things. Having the greatest auric soul, they also wield the greatest power, the power to create and destroy freely. Hence, they can wield any weapon with absolute mastery, and forge any weapon, armor or any other item with skills second to none (Reforging is too much apparently lol). They are basically what you would call a force of nature, neutral, but so powerful that they cannot be rivaled or prevented.
In the lore item you get after SCal and Exos (I forgot it's name), Yharim says that 'you would not have come this far if you weren't trying to fight /reach me' or something similar. Because of that and our ability to revive in 20 seconds (no, we aren't gods, gods take hundreds of years to revive), we probably aren't just a random dude.
It should be noted that as said by Cei on the Calamity subreddit, Yharim was very willing to be genocidal from the get go, and Yharon helped enable it.
“When the battle was finally over, the dust having just began to settle Where even the stone refused the course of time, there sat a monk Who dared to question history and stare into fate 'What is the true price of the past being ever eternal? Why must our future forever haunt us?'” - The description for the Rock, a reward from boss rush It is obvious from the context, of course, that the monk is Xeroc. However, the question he asks is noteworthy. It is known that an auric soul, if not consumed, returns to life in the aerie eventually. Is it possible that this ‘eternal past and future’ of the same dragons reincarnating over and over was what he was referring to, and the consumption of the soul of Zeratros was his answer - to break the cycle? If so, I can only begin to guess at his reasoning. Considering the amount of inspiration from Dark Souls Fabsol has taken, its themes of cycles and refusal of living beings, political and religious structures, and even whole ages to end leading to endless stagnation could have inspired this plot point. Xeroc may well have chosen to usurp the fire, as that one ending to DS3 showed, by completely upending the cycle. But again, what negative consequences he saw to simply allowing it to continue are unknown, and it may solely have been a craven grab for power as Yharim stated.
I believe if we are to assume the stone was literally refusing the flow of time instead of it being a methafore. The dragons may not have been that good, maybe setting the wrold in a state of stagnation to achieve inmortality or something like that, and xeroc could be trying to break that
@Midnight_Minute 2:49 I am not sure ,but i think that the game states that the hell city had as food source the planty mush that was growing in the abys so that means Silva was already in the abys?? before the cities demise , so i dont think her beiing placed in the abys was influenced by the fight betwen brimstone element and Supreme Calamitas Pls corect me if i am wrong, i am trying to understand the lore better
Thank you for going over the lore. I didn't know where to find extra information about the lore, and I had no one to talk about it with. But now more people know! :)
Yeah, honestly, it’s kind of weird that we haven’t had any calamity lore videos since photon made his animated series on the old lore (I mean, those videos literally got me into this lol)
Yharim was wrong, but at the same time so were the gods. We haven’t really been shown any evidence condemning the actions of the dragons, so we can assume that either they sucked or were pretty chill. The gods were probably seeking power, and Yharim didn’t like that.
Honestly Otonilou sounds like she was relatively chill. Same goes for the slime god too. Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if there existed a god that gained an auric soul from a dragon deliberately passing it down to them. While sure, there are MANY gods that are/were terrible people (Providence, Xeroc), it is safe to say that to a degree, Yharim was wrong. His views on the genocide came from ONE source, Yharon, who is most likely very biased against the gods. So to a extent, the gods weren't guilty. Or at least that's my verdict.
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While the Gods are definitely guilty, as consuming the soul of a sapient being is just plain wrong, you can't really call ALL of the gods evil. Ontonilou, Tyrian (the sea god), Silva, and the Slime God all have objectively good intentions. And considering there was enough essence from other "good" gods to create the Hallow, it's safe to assume this war wasn't black and white. I hope we get a chance to have a god on our side at some point. Silva's still alive, maybe we could bring her back? Or maybe we could get another god who hasn't been mentioned yet?
2:45 I dont know if you are wrong there but while generating a calamity world and getting to the part of generating silva's blocks (actually planty mush), it says "disposing of silva's remains", so... is this planty mush just silva dead body/soul/whatever?
I do think to an extent Xeroc is atleast fine for what he did given that it was also a means to end the dragon kings suffering, which is a morally fine thing to do, its not ideal to have to kill something but if the poor thing was suffering till death....might as well end that suffering to leave them at peace, though it could be very questionable whether or not Xeroc should be let off the hook, i definitely feel like he shouldnt be seen AS guilty as most of the other gods like Noxus or Providence who are clearly in it for the power and dont care for others, Xeroc atleast not only became a more powerful god, he also became the gaurdian of the terrariaverse, and despite most instances i do believe Xeroc to atleast be Nigh-Omnipotent, so he would make a fine over arching deity, and one that dorsnt deserve AS much hate as most of the other gods do
I can see yharim s point , ur killing a dragon , protector of terraria , beings that are born and fought against cthulhu( moonlord) to protect it all , and then some random 0ss people steal their auric soul to empower themselfs to become gods. Even they did or not killed a dragon u broke their revival cycle , truly killing them , i like the fact that yharim didn t had the urge to become a god , and spared yharon and these 2 went on a crussade against everything. Still , yes the could ve gone just for the evil gods , but they choose to go for all the gods , i guess yharon was just petty his species s souls were used agains their wills , but , why genocide , why team up with devouer of gods when u fully know this thing only wants their power and would eventually also try to consume you, rather than wanting justice for the dragons , and why make a young girl to destroy azafure , the ocean where today is just a desert and many more instances of this. I guess this situation is similar to real life in a way , u go to war , kill people and go home , ur of course more cold and way less affected by tragedies , and you have lost ur moral compass. And yet one more question is yet to be anwsered.... how tf did yharim got in our head and why he s giving us his opinions on bosses and gods?
Ok to be fair, azafure wasn’t on purpose, and he was desperate enough to recruit DoG after Decades of war. As for how he talks to us, it seems to just be a message on the wind that we can hear if we just listen…
@@Midnight_Minute a message on the wind ? Errrm the messages we get are rather specific , talking right at us ; and usually usually wind messages are short , not an entire novels like whqt we re getting, and , im not to sure theres even wind in underworld ( when we beat bosses there)since there s no maree to create it( water reflux , idk how is it called in english) , but i guess * magical wind* would make some sense .
To let you know, calamity moonlord isnt cthulhu like what vanilla is. All we know is its a space being, in his prime that the devs gave his name as "Fovos"
Generally, I have the lore items (which are from Yharim’s perspective), the bestiary (because that has information from an objective pov), and then recently I’ve been using statements from Vetrasyl in the calamity discord (official lore writer)
@@Midnight_Minute Some regular items also have snippets of lore attached to them. This can be seen in items like the Pulse rifle, which is Draedon's personal gun, according to the tooltip.
The gods are indeed guilty without consuming their soul The would have reborn again, from what i can remember about yharom being The reason of dragon's rebirth
What about the sea god This is probably old/reatcond lore but I heard that the sea god released that he controls the elements but not the illunarians themselves. So him and amidias worked together amidias making law's and the sea god giving good currents or something. So he should be on the good side (him and otonilou are probably interchangeable / do the same thing / sea god reatcond an replaced with otonilou)
(also, all of yharim's knowledge of the dragon genocide came from yharon (see yharon lore item), and yharon saw it first-hand, so I think if anyone is lying about the gods morality, it's yharon, not yharim)
Yeah, Yharon definitely has a biased perspective on the matter that was passed to yharim. (Also Silva is actually making the abyss arguably more hospitable, and even blessed Primordial Wyrm)
He out of line but he’s right killing the gods isn’t the issue inslaving calamitas, working with dreadaon of all things, not doing anything about the plague is what makes him immoral without question. But he isn’t evil unlike dreadaon But I will put him him down regardless
I mean yharim didn’t exactly support the plague, but I doubt Draedon is one to listen to moral reasoning (also calamitas wasn’t actually enslaved that was old lore).
@MemeFlavoredJam the most part of the millions of deaths that Yharim has in his hands are from normal people worshiping a God. These common people didn't had no way of knowing about the ascension of the gods, since it happened about 3/4 centuries ago. For much of the crusade, Yharim maintained a hero/good guy facade, an ordinary worshipers would never imagine that he was slaughtering anyone involved with the divine.
