Call of Duty Zombies: A First Time Player's Analysis 

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Such a breath of fresh air. Anyone that talks about zombies nowadays has been there from the beginning, or later, and is just, so done, tired and not passionate about the mode. Another great analysis.

You really hit the nail on the head in your analysis of why WaW and Black Ops players have trouble connecting with the newer stuff. Getting home after school and loading up a 4 man zombies squad on Nacht, before any other maps were released, is truly one of my fondest of childhood. It was just an easter egg, a simple horde mode to have fun with friends when you got bored of the standard multiplayer. Nowadays, while I can appreciate the creativity and passion involved in creating these new maps, there's entire questlines you have to complete and boss zombies you have to contend with. I remember just getting a Ray gun from the box was like winning the lottery. Simpler times.

You almost brought me to tears when you said “I’m done with this mode” I realized that I hadn’t really enjoyed my time nor have I had any interest since chronicles and it just hit me hard considering how much time I invested into the mode and how many fond memories I had. I really wasn’t considering subscribing and watching this just out of curiosity until you went off script, you are just a wholesome and fantastic person… genuinely, never lose that please, it was because of that off script ramble that I subscribed. Hope your new job is going fantastic and wish you all the best (: You have an amazing day/evening/night, now drop the chips and get me some ammo.

You killed it with this video essay. This is, without a doubt, the best comprehension of a beginner's experiences from Treyarch Zombies I've seen on RU-vid. Complex, yet clear explanations and statements all written incredibly well. Well done!

It’s funny how opinions really differ in the “community”. There is a staunch “originals” camp that like WaW-BO1 and that’s it, hating the story and complexity of the later maps, then there’s the newer BO2/BO3 camp that loves those games and the community they created. Personally, I feel Zombies hit it’s peak with BO3, and has been on a downward spiral ever since the troubled development of BO4. Cold War is fun, but the charm is gone. But hey, the good will always be good and the memories will always be there.

I literally cannot believe something this quality and this in depth has for the most part flew under the radar. You absolutely deserve far far more views.

Even though it’s only been like 10 mins into the video I really gotta say holy shit this is crazy well written and delivered. You really got talent bro

Buried is underrated imo, so much fun with the buildable camping spots, and just the uniqueness. Always will remember from my early cod years

1:22:53 the point you made here really hit home, I feel the exact same. Though I would say that part of that is because I don't really enjoy CW Zombies that much. Also your videos deserve way more views and support.

i watched the cod analysis yesterday when you talked about doing the zombies series maybe and I thought you may have done it but I'm so happy that you actually made it!!

Thank you for putting in words exactly how I feel about Zombies. For me, the series peaked at BO1. That was the cream of the crop, where everything lined up perfectly. It had the perfect ratio of weird, hard maps and basic (in comparison to newer maps) but clever maps that hit all the foundational elements of Zombies. When BO2 came out, I kind of felt alienated, like the series had left me behind already. Tranzit was too hard and I never had fun with it, Buried was cool, but the setup was just too much. Mob of the Dead was the only map that really resonated with me in BO2, then Origins left me completely in the dust. I tried to do the easter egg quest for Origins, but after so many attempts I knew that type of gameplay just wasn't for me. I preferred the simple survival with pack a punch being the ultimate goal, that's the mode I fell in love with. I appreciate how you talked about the game design and how well it worked, I don't think they got nearly enough recognition for Zombies. A side mode filled with charm and passion, something that seems rarer and rarer the further we go.

Guys get the popcorn this is gonna be another banger

Not 2 months ago I redownloaded BO3 and picked up the season pass and Chronicles, and it's definitely a finite feeling of nostalgia and exploration that I can see myself coming back to every few years. Loved the video, keep it up 😊

I do wonder where the Zombie Genre at large would've been without the initial Zombies mode.

Your intro section was a really unique take on zombies. The whole video was extremely thoughtful and well written. Some of the ideas you talked about in the intro was actually kind of moving as a long time fan of zombies

The dot dash dot theory kinda explains why Cold War feels so easy. Even the dash points are…open. For example die machines dot is the spawn, the dash is nacht, yet nacht is still plenty wide enough to zip past singular zombies, and even if you get caught on the stairway, you can just mount over the railing and escape. granted, the maps are still very fun and very great for learning the basics of training and my personal favourites

I’m seriously loving having discovered your channel I’m having such a content binge, please keep doing what you’re doing man

I'm so fucking prepared for this video, thank you for doing what you do

Captivated the whole way through! I think you completely nailed that weird, abstract, overly esoteric yet entrancing feel of playing Zombies that so many of us have encountered in or youth or even now. It’s interesting to see how well the mode has retained its mystique and excitement way past its initial zeitgeist that someone can play through and experience these maps in the present day and still derive the same enjoyment I did upon playing Ascension on launch day in 2011. Very much agreed about your rankings and overall analysis and particularly liked how much you stressed the difficulty of analyzing these maps since everyone can derive such contrasting levels of quality from them. The maps blend all its player audiences together in a way no other game truly has ever captured even in something as closely resembling as Killing Floor might be. Anyway, awesome work and now I’m gonna stomach some Activision Steam prices and try to play these again on PC with the Reimagined mods!

Great job with the vid! I never thought I'd see a tier list in a davidoz video but I'm glad it happened. I would love to relive the days of 2010/2011 where I used to come home from school and play kino der toten with friends until it was time to go to bed. Good times.

I only just stumbled upon this video, from a long time fan of zombies seeing someone look at the mode from outside the community really makes me appreciate your perspectives and not just harp on about the regular takes/opinions all in all thoroughly enjoyed every minute

3:54 I felt that on a spiritual level. Been watching your cod analysis, your really good and deserve more views/subs. You got yourself another sub/like.

god i love analytical videos like this. what you said about how the series was tired and overdone by the end really resonates with me. i’ve been playing zombies since bo1 and I feel exactly the same. bo4 just felt like they had completely run out of ideas and were just making every single wrong move. even the UI looks like a plain and simple downgrade from bo3 makes me sad since i hold so much nostalgia and past love for the series, and everything said here I believe could be said for the cod franchise as a whole. That’s really tragic, in my opinion

Just found this video, watched the whole thing and found it as such a refreshing, unbiased take, keep up the good work man

Genuinely such a phenomenal video. You’ve put into words what I’ve been unable to for years.

Honestly I loved Exo Zombies cause it’s challenging and always trying to have you alert and stay on your feet at all times

Been waiting for this vid since the Cod analysis and it was well worth it keep it up man. ;)

Really amazing video 🔥🔥🔥 played an entire franchise for one video, what a legend. Great opinions and nice to highlight how certain things reflect off a newer fan that doesn't have biases

This video is genuinely top tier. As someone who has been playing this mode for quite a while at this point, you have BY FAR the most similar tier list to my own personal one, with few exception. I can tell that so much effort went into this video and I just want to say thank you for making it.

Thanks for making this video. Your pen game is so much stronger than your analytics would suggest. I have to believe you're gonna blow up once the word gets out that you're putting out such high quality content served up in XXL sizes.

I just finished watching your COD video a few days ago and I’m very glad you did this, now

They’re a few things that Treyarch does in zombies that they didn’t have to put in this mode like producing amazing secret music in all of their maps and theme songs for all the perks Showing us that they have amazing talent people in this mode

Love this mans channel so much

I loved the video it was great seeing zombies from a new players point of view I grew up playing all of the map from world at war tell now as soon as they came out so this was very interesting to hear your perspective

I was a bit wary of watching this video, because I have sour experiences of listening to new people talk about zombies, who have no idea what they're talking about, and it just gets frustrating. Fortunately for me, you actually found ideas and points of conversation that I somehow never thought enough to put to words, and this fresh view ended up being very welcome. Even if the vast majority of information was still stuff I already knew from well over a decade of deep involvement with the mode and its community, the small bits of new stuff definitely make this video worthwhile.

So glad to see a new fans perspective, all you ever see are people that have been in the community since WaW. Both of your COD videos are superb btw and i cant wait to watch more of your essays. Subbing for sure

the timing of this couldn't be more perfect. just finished your cod video

It's interesting seeing your opinions. I myself was introduced in black ops one as a child, terrified of kino to the point I couldn't play. I got bo2 for Christmas and loved playing transit because it was the only map I could play and I was an ignorantly bliss child. My father let me choose 2 dlc maps and I got mob and buried, some of my favorite maps of all time. Sometime my sophomore year, I believe when zombies chronicles released I got bo3 and played SoE at its most basic form, like 10 times. When bo4 released I game shared with my uncle and played Nine plenty but again, at its most basic form. Throughout recounting it all, I realize that for me, I never stayed consistent because there was never any depth to it (I never knew there were easter eggs and WW upgrades). Around February this year, my friend convinced me to buy bo3 on PC with all the maps and reluctantly I did. He was the one who wanted to do the easter eggs and play. And guess what, after completing SoE with him guiding me, I was the one begging to play and complete the Eggs. Every map after that I was the one with the guide. The depth I thought was never there found me, and now I'm obsessed. To the point that, and this is going to rile some feathers, I prefer playing bo4 to bo1 or WaW simply due to the fact that bo4 rewards you for learning the maps, understanding them. I heavily enjoy playing bo4 zombies. I think I enjoy completing bo4s EE's more than bo3s due to the complexity and effort required without being much more difficult. So it's very interesting to see the contrast between opinions throughout the community. And for those who might be interested in my game rankings: 1) bo3 (mods, chronicles, peak of popularity. It's the goat.) 2) Bo2 (nostalgia, MoTD, Origins, Buried. Just mwah, perfect) 3) bo4 (In my opinion, DotN, Classified, TDT, and Nine are some of the best maps ever created and would be so much more appreciated if it wasn't in the bo4 engine.) 4) Cold War (just simply fun. No perk limit, you can make the game a struggle or you can become a zombie slaying god. It's your choice. DM and MDT are phenomenal maps) 5) BO1 (perfectly fine, so many good memories, just lacks depth to keep me entertained. After 25-30 rounds, I'm extremely bored) 6) WaW (suffers simply from being the first.)

You’re a very smart person. I appreciate your analysis. Keep making more videos man you earned a new sub! Also I agree with most of your tier list.

The quality of this video is fantastic. You earned yourself a subscriber.

Amazing video, and as a long-time zombies player it is interesting to see your perspective, I've wondered what a non-bias, new zombies member would have to say from game to game and map to map. I wish you could've gone into deeper detail in everything because I was so intrigued. With that said I can't imagine the work you've put in already with this video, amazing amazing stuff.

As someone who started playing Zombies back at the beginning of Black Ops 1, and has followed the franchise to this day, this is easily one of the best videos about the franchise I've ever seen. Your biases all feel entirely justified, and you felt super accurate. That Immense slowdown as you got to the apex of the series felt so grand and amazing, then the rush through the rest, how the later the games go, and the faster you blow through them, and the moree bland they feel, just hit my core. This was a wonderful video, and while I came for the zombies content, I'll stick around and see what else you can blow me away with. Thank you. ^-^

Even though I’ve been with the series myself since WAW, I never fully got into Zombies as a mode and story until recently, as a Junior in college with a roommate who also happens to love the mode too. Something about Zombies just clicks with me as a person. I tend to enjoy cyclical, rhythmic gameplay. Playing the map over and over again, figuring out the best and optimal path, learning what each weapon does and using them to their advantage, and then facing the challenge presented before me. Town introduced me to the concept itself, though Nacht Der Untoten was technically my first one, and although it was fun, I was always left wanting more. It wasn’t until recently that I actually played Origins for the first time, and then I was hooked. I figured out the best paths, mapped out where each of the staff parts were, trying to figure out the best cycle to use each game. To this day, I’ve still only completed a basic setup on the map. Nevertheless, the game had me hooked, and it still does to this day as I’m rediscovering everything the community has loved about Zombies for years, playing through maps that are old to some, but new to me. It’s an amazing experience personally, and although I’ll probably never have the desire to play BO4 or Cold War zombies or any Infinity Ward zombies mode, I still can’t help but enjoy the first four Treyarch games that brought Zombies to us. I’ll keep exploring, pathing out the best paths for success, learning and understanding each map’s core mechanics, and eventually bringing my roommate on each map with me for a fun zombies experience.

Awesome video thanks, hope to see more analysis in the future

Nice job man. Love the perspective

I know how you say BO4 zombies was your least favorite, but honestly it had some of my favorite maps, but it might be purely based on the time of my life along with the zombies community at the time. I started zombies w TranZit and it had me hooked on zombies (maybe that explains why I like trash maps), but BO4 was the first treyarch game I preordered and stayed up till midnight, hoping the power in my house would come back on after a hurricane, just so I can hop on the zombies mode I had been so hyped for. You touched on it a bit w the early zombies maps, but I think I had caught that itch for zombies at this time, and on top of that, it came out and was pretty active during my junior and senior year of high school, which, although not that far off in time, has this nostalgia to it that I really appreciate, and was overall a good time in my life. BO4 just clicked for me, although I had my share of maps I hated, any school night that I had free time was spent chilling on a couple hours of zombies, grinding out camos and levels, listening to music or the zombros podcast (RIP), and generally just enjoying the year or so that I had left before I became an adult. But, like you said near the end about not wanting to play zombies anymore, I certainly don’t want to play BO4 zombies anymore. My last time playing was a few weeks after Tag Der Toten’s release, and I think I’ll keep it that way, because I know I won’t be able to capture the fun and general vibrancy that it had back when the zombies community cared about it.

im glad you got the experience we all got to grow up with i was a mp guy as well but zombies

It’s refreshing to see such a perspective for a zombies tier list. I’d encourage any big zombies YT to watch this as I find often their opinions for a tier list can be prone to content creator biases. As opposed to yourself who takes a more personal perspective. I like that you rated Verruckt so highly as its a great map due to the way it makes you feel.

This is like exactly What I wanted to hear about cod zombies, I agree with you most of the time but not always, which is great. I was a zombies player that started playing zombies just before bo3 came out so I had a lot of the hype, but that al died in bo4. This video was very entertaining keep doing what you do!!

This was a very insightful essay. I was just listening to it while I was putting together some drawers for under my bed. I enjoyed it a lot, though it got depressing when you said you wouldn't be playing zombies anymore and that you got burnout from it, though I understand completely why since burnout is very common. Everything in moderation, that is a virtue I try to live by when it comes to games, even more so with food lol. I would binge a game for days, not even finishing them due to burn out, which sucks a lot, but that's why I've started playing games on and off, watching youtube, going for drives(not as often as I used too but still), etc...

Loved this video man, love the concept and execution. I was blown away by your diction until you mentioned you taught English lol

Such a banger video nice job!

Wow remember asking for this all the way back on the Cod series campaign nice to see it finally come out

very late to this but really great vid! couldn’t agree more with your takes on GK and Revelations

the shadows of evil easter egg is surprisingly a really simple ee 1. is pap 2. is the sword 3. is sword upgrade 4. hold interact button on the book (hardest step to figure out unless you knew the story and the books importance prior) 5. is the flag step which is clearly marked by the flag spawn and electricity 6. is just the boss fight most of the difficulty comes from multiplayer bc u each have to get the sword and upgrade it one at a time

I'm loading this video up for the third or fourth time now, and I wanted to let you know that this is perhaps one of the best analysis videos I have seen on game design thus far and I am shocked that, a year later, this video is still below 100k views. You deserve far more recognition for the level of quality and effort put into this video.

As a person that has been around since WaW zombies, I’m still as passionate about the mode as ever, and I’m excited for COD 2024 Zombies since it will have tons of development time

This is an amazing video and great point of view as zombies as a whole from not a diehard zombies player

I didn’t think a video about call of duty zombies could be this very well articulated. When I clicked on it I didn’t plan on watching the entire video.

Hey man i just found your channel but ive just from the couple videos ive watched ive been entrapped by your voice. You are a really good narrator. If i may suggest maybe try reading some scary stories or creepypastas or even conspiracy type videos? I would loooove to hear you read through some of those i think you have the perfect voice and just style of putting emotions into things

One of the best zombies videos I've ever watched, if not the single best. I've played zombies since Der Riese's original release and am a far more hardcore player than you appear to be but you make fantastic and understandable yet also completely respectable points across every single map and game even if they're points I don't agree with or opinions I don't share. Though channeling my old casual self and looking through the lens of someone less experienced, you practically nail every single explanation and have basically flawless arguments to explain your feelings as a part of that demographic. I guess I'm just very lucky and should be thankful it's a mode I get still enjoyment out of to this very moment, and enjoyment in every single game it's in... except Exo Zombies, fuck Exo Zombies. Absolutely incredible once again, I'm now off to go watch your 3-and-a-half hour Call of Duty retrospective.

Just found this video, loved it, hope you are well

You make some really quality essays man hopefully this channel gains some more traction. I'd love to hear your thoughts on Outer Wilds, it's a really special game that I can't recommend enough if you haven't played it. You gotta go in blind though don't learn anything about it just play it.

As someone who was into zombies from day one. I would be honored to slaughter those undead flesh addicts with you any day.

Love your videos man one note I'd give is background music is very important and I think would help your videos out a great deal. Keep up the great work man

I’m here because of Lex, I love the way you’ve talked about everything! I don’t completely agree with every point you’ve made but most things are pretty dead on!

I only have one thing to say because I think you nailed pretty much everything but one thing about any older games that are looked at fondly today is our age when we all first played it and the progression of the mode. My best example is personal to me but I’m sure anyone can apply this way of thinking about it. I remember going to my friends house around my first year of college, we’d been playing zombies together since waw before we even had Xbox live. (I still remember vividly waw didn’t split the screen in half and had a background overlay) When they announced AW me and my friend where hyped because the idea sounded new and fun, and when they eventually announced the zombies mode we where even more excited. Me an my friend still look back fondly on AW and when I started watching zombies RU-vidrs I was really surprised that they didn’t like it. Interest dropped off hard for me after BO3, IW was intriguing and I did get ww2 and played the first map a few times but I was overall so unimpressed that when bo4 came out I only kept up with it to see where the story would go.

this mode is what made me fall in love with video games... i was addicted to the zombie killing in bo2 then i got addicted to the lore and easter eggs in bo3.

Fantastic video honestly. Very enjoyable. Very unique views and a strange tierlist to say the least but your opinion makes sense being a newer player. Glad you enjoyed the mode we all love and who knows maybe we will see you again someday. Until next time. Well done sir 👏❤ you've gained a new sub will check out more of your content you have a very good insight to games I enjoy listening to

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THIS WAS A GREAT VIDEO

As someone who only player WaW, a little bit of BO1 and a some amount of BO2 zombies, doesn't know the lore well and completed maybe 2 Easter Eggs, I really like the idea and content of this video.

Nice to see some positivity, subbed btw. SOE and MOTD are the two best maps imo.

I’m also relatively new so someone sharing a similar perspective to me in the midst of all these OG RU-vidrs is very nice.

Origins reminds me of what RE4 did for Resident Evil. Both amazing, but the games after suffered for it.

Glad to see you play through the maps on Reimagined!

Great video man! Have you ever thought about putting in a bit of background music? I think it would really suite your videos. Keep up the great work!

Crazy. I’ve played zombies almost religiously since basically the beginning, and yet this video made me realise and appreciate more about zombies than I ever had before. Incredibly refreshing. I disagree with a few of your opinions but I can definitely understand your perspective and see how you’d arrive to them. Cold War was my favourite, but you’re absolutely right, it lost the charm. I think it’s because previously zombies innovated it’s mechanics through new maps, but once they hit revelations they kinda ran out of ways to innovate like that without making it tedious and bloated. Cold War took a step back and realised they needed a different approach, so they innovated the core mechanics, and made the maps just different ways to facilitate said core mechanics. The mechanics are excellent as a result, and it is by far the most replayable and deep zombies experience, finally feeling like a game instead of just a gamemode, but unfortunately the charm of zombies was lost in the process. A sad, but probably necessary cost.

Origins literally broke my Xbox 360. B02 was just too massive for its own good and I love it for that.

Good video David

hurt my soul when I saw that you had opened the door of death in kino

This is one of the best videos ever

Cold war zombies was surprisingly my favorite next to infinite warfare zombies. Cause i play the mode as candy or how far i can get before i goto bed..which those two made it easier to reach high levels solo. I had alot of fun with them all tho..great video

After Cold War, im done woth zombies. Played since WaW and loved it all up until now. Cold war is an empty shell and vanguard is even worse. They would have to really do something groundbreaking to bring it back like how it used to be. Really sad tbh, ive loved this mode for years. Ive put countless months into it and probably have years of play time altogether. I loved this mode dearly and now, its almost gone completely

I have nothing more to say than great job and keep up

I was never a Call of Duty guy but my little brother was so I had access to them. I played the original Modern Warfare when it came out but never got into World at War. At least not until I saw my brother playing Zombies one day after school. Like it or not, Call of Duty has some of the best-feeling gameplay mechanics in video games and if I’m not mistaken I had also recently found out about Spelunky (the original free version) around the same time and it introduced me and endeared me to the concept of roguelikes, which I still love to this day. So once my brother explained how Zombies worked I was sold by the roguelike mechanics despite having practically zero interest in either Call of Duty or zombies. It was a ton of fun and I probably put like 100 hours into it on weekends over the next year before moving on to other things. I never had any interest in playing the next iteration of it and haven’t played any of them since but I’ll never forget that first game. It was a really simple but super unique idea that I can’t believe took so long to come to fruition. It’s kind of crazy that such a large franchise within such a large company took a chance like that. It felt like something special. At the time I never thought it would turn into something as big as the _real_ multiplayer despite how good it was.

Where you been bro? Your videos are amazing

hold on because ive rewatched this video like 3 or 4 times now and i fucking love it. i just dont understand how it only has roughly 30k views. i mean the video itself is fucking incredible but with how accurate it is to nostalgia and hits every mark of a zombies player even if i disagree that bo4 isnt that good. this video should be watched atleast twice buy everysingle zombies fan. it just reminds you a little too well and accuratly. p.s. i dont want this to come of as oooh im so indie there are millions of views on youtube for people like lex and pat their views need to have seen something like this especially for its content to nostalgia ratio. anyways my b ill be back in 2 months for another rewatch.

I’m bro I can’t get over you doing Easter eggs without the shield 😭

big counterpoint to your thoughts on revelations- the story ending absolutely does fit the definition of a revelation, and at this point the zombies maps were very story focused

I can already tell these zombie retrospectives are going to be way better then the smith plays

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Wait until he finds out about custom zombies

honestly, as someone who absolutely adored Cold War, it made me a little sad to hear that you had basically been so burnt out on zombies that you just didn't care at that point. Great video regardless, and it was nice to hear what someone who didn't really initially care about the mode thought about its progression after taking a deep dive into the series

I still boot up WaW or Black Ops to this day whenever I’m feeling particularly nostalgic

I get how you felt at the end of the series. It's funny you got burnt out of COD Zombies in a year to what took me nearly 11 years to reach. 😂 I remember it as if it was yesterday the utter disappointment with BO4 made me fall out of love with the series. It got me to branch out to different games like Bioshock, Red Dead Redemption 2, Dead Space, Amnesia and my new love Resident Evil! It's not that the new games are bad, or that I just over played the game that I hate it, but it's more so that the newer games are just not made for me anymore. I agreed with how you viewed Cold War Zombies. Cold War Zombies is well designed, and according to Treyarch it's the most populated that the Zombies mode has ever been, but I just don't care. I don't feel anything when I play it or have any desire to. I've played the new map: Maur Der Totten a total of three times got Pack a Punch, got all the perks and made it to round 40. It's far from a bad map, but when I see people say that Cold War Zombies is trash I can only feel like they too are just burnt out or in my case, yeah done with the mode. When it comes to COD Zombies I find more fun to play the WaW, BO1 and BO2 maps or even Custom Zombies, hell I have a lot of ideas for custom maps too! Overall I think Cold War Zombies is good, but it's the next-generation and it's just not for an old boomer like me :)

Thank you so much 😊

The way Easter Eggs work in these maps remind me a lot of a puzzle game called The Witness. In the game, you're dropped off on an island and simply solve puzzles. The game has no dialogue whatsoever, so it's up to the puzzles themselves to teach you the mechanics, and since the puzzles are fairly similar in nature (all being convoluted line puzzles), it is fairly easy to add new mechanics to these puzzles and to find clues on how to conquer their mechanics. The problem with Zombies is that by the time of Black Ops 4, the developers have obscured these clues beyond recognition, and made the easter egg quests more of a chore to do rather than a pleasure. It is also very evident that in Black Ops 4, Treyarch tipped the scale way too much in one direction. They clearly had no real foothold on casual gameplay and held a great focus on appealing to the more hardcore playerbase, even including high round players. Thankfully they remedied this by making the easter egg quests much more bearable in Cold War while still retaining a somewhat enjoyable gameplay loop. But now it looks like they're tipping the scale all the way in the other direction with the inclusion of no easter egg at all in Vanguard. In essence, zombies at its current state is in a constant state of unbalanced and I don't think we'll ever have zombies games like BO2 or BO3 anymore because now that the scales are tipped, it will be really really difficult to reobtain that balance again.

1:12:29 “this was the conclusion i recieved after investing so much time and energy” imagine how the ones who were here since world at war felt myself included😪