Theology is an AWE some academic & spiritual pursuit, which I continue to pursue. Pastor Vlad Savchuk, it seems as you are channeling the mysterious Holy Spirit. TRULY Amazing! Even as Christians start a prayer: Father Son is 1 then 2, followed by 3 & 4, For the holy ghost. btw my Buddha icon, represents similar, as grounded firmly in PAST, in PRESENT good deeds "up the yin yang 2 achieve a nirvana". Yet the FUTURE is ... You have the Gift. Please continue to Share!
If someone thinks he could lose his salvation, then he should not lose it. But If someone thinks he cannot lose his salvation, then he should live it. Pastor Vlad, I think both are extreme views and could not be perfectly consistent with God’s word. No one can be absolutely deterministic nor absolutely free. So I would rather walk in the middle of the road to avoid both ditch on the left and on the right, and treat God’s sovereignty and man’s free will as both wheels working for each other to bring us to our destination. 😊
I am not completely a calvinist, but I will say that it is not so much that God chooses who goes to Hell, but that God chooses who goes to Heaven. Everyone because of our sinful nature was going to hell, but God elected from humanity those who He has chosen to go to Heaven. So it is more like God chooses who goes to Heaven, than God chooses who goes to Hell because we were all going to go to hell, but now a few of us aren't We evangelize because we do not know who the chosen are, we evangelize to the lost and let Holy Spirit touch the hearts of those who He chooses. God doesn't commit evil, the devil does, but God lets it happen. The Book of Job is a perfect example and a perfect look into how evil deeds are allowed to take place. The devil gets approval from God over every evil he commits because God is sovereign and nothing happens without God's approval. also Isaiah 45:7 in the KJV states that God creates evil, " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Evil is not a part of God's nature. God does not perform evil, He simply allows it. The devil getting permission from God shows you that the devil cannot do whatever he wants, he is subjected to God like everyone else. I am not a full on calvinist so I do believe that there is free will, but that God is sovereign. God chooses the elect, but the elect can freely choose to stay saved or not. Man freely chooses to commit evil, but God could stop them from committing the act but instead He lets it happen. The Bible does not contradict itself, the truth lies in the middle of both Calvinism and Arminianism. In the Bible we see people have free will, and we also see God's will every now and then override people's free will. The people of Israel freely choose to serve other idols, but God decided to fight for them and draw them to Him. You are right Jesus died for the whole world meaning His sacrifice on the cross is enough to save all of humanity, but only a few will be saved because only a few are chosen. Mathew 22;14, "For many are called, but few are chosen."
Why do people assume if you're not Calvinist you're Arminian? I'm neither. I'm a Christian, a follower of Christ. I see positives and negatives on both sides so i look to the Bible for guidance and trust Jesus instead of man.
I agree, I don’t understand why you need to pick a side. These are 2 men’s opinions… it blows my mind how people can leave the church because they don’t agree on one side… it’s caused so much division I don’t understand it. But when he said Calvinist’s are rude he’s right. Some of them are puffed up when they claim they are one of Gods elect… I don’t think that is Christ like at all. But I agree with 80% of their views…
Also there are other forms of Soteriology than these two. Lutheranism would claim to have Soteriology that differs from both of these. Plus, classic Augustinianism is different then modern Calvinism. There's a debate as to whether classic Calvinism and Augustinianism we're just the same.
@@danielblakeney7575 Leighton flowers has a great channel on soteriology. Molonism is also in there somewhere. Granted that starts falling into Catholicism but either way it is a great subject. A infinite god is hard for a finite mind to grasp on to
With love as a sister in Christ it's because of biblical confusion. We all should be iron sharpening iron and continue to research every jot and tittle of the Word. It matters when witnessing to others, we want to share the truth not a mystery. For me, please I speak in love, personally I need clarity, understanding and seeking wisdom. I'm not a Calvinist. I don't want to witness to people saying, "God wants everyone to be saved" but then tell them they may already be pre-damned. Seems to go against scripture and the Almighty. Im overjoyed you're right in Christ. God tells us to question and seek wisdom 🕊️🙏
Woohoo!! Carlos! My brother, praise the Lord!!!! Oh! I just checked out your channel briefly! You speak Spanish too!! I’m from Dallas and have moved to Arkansas so I don’t get to practice my Spanish here as much anymore. What better way than to watch your amazing testimonies on your channel. 😊 Gloria a Dios! I’ve already subscribed! ❤
I didn’t expected to see you here, I like your videos, they remembered me a lot of things that I almost forgot, I’m still practicing what you taught in your videos, sometimes it’s hard but I know it requires discipline, I still struggle with homosexuality, but I know in God I will conquer this fight. God bless you
I can only speak from experience. When I first decided to walk down the aisle of a small Christian non-denominational church and receive Jesus as my Lord and Savior I was completely ignorant when it came to the Bible or salvation. I had come from a dirty background of alcohol, drugs, nightclubs, and one night stands. My faith at the time stood firm on science which up until that moment had been led by deep study into physics emphasizing on general relativity and quantum mechanics. I understood these concepts very well, but I also realized science couldn’t save my soul so that’s when I turned to the Word of God. I had been raised a Catholic, by tradition not choice, but I never found interest in religious dogma. To me their ritualistic approach to matters of faith were dull and boring, I was more interested in the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom. After having received Jesus in Oct of 91, I was told by the pastor that I was now saved and on my way to Heaven; really? That’s it? I didn’t feel any different, my thoughts, motives, and attitude remained the same. I decided that I wasn’t going to just take this pastor’s word, I was going to do my homework. I had to, my soul and my eternal future depended on it and I was a person that needed certainty! I decided to purchase the King James Bible on CD and listen to it on all those wasted hours driving back and forth to work in rush hour traffic. Travel time to work was an hour, an hour lunch which I spent in my car eating a sandwich out of a small cooler, and the hour drive back home. That was 3 hours of Word a day 5 times per week. That’s a lot of Word! This went on for little over 3 years where not only did I have scores and scores of scriptures memorized, but also entire CHAPTERS memorized verbatim word for word. I could tell you what is in the Bible and what isn’t. I had a lot of Word in my head, not in my heart. This would change one Saturday morning March 25,1995. I was alone in my car at the beach listening to integrity Hosana Worship music, reading God’s Word, and loving Him with all my heart, mind, soul, and strength. I remember reading in Matthew chapter 5 to “love your enemies”, this was something I could never see myself doing! How can you love someone that’s causing you harm? I don’t understand this kind of love! I looked up to the sky and let my imagination, which by now was overflowing with love, run wild as to how beautiful it would be to be just like Jesus! Suddenly it happened, it really happened! I saw something open within my mind and all that Word I had accumulated for years poured into me removing the blinders from my eyes and giving me the knowledge of God! “Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my Spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.” (Proverbs 1:23) I was terrified, I felt the demons that lived in me and had been with me my entire life leap out of me with a hideous screech! How is this possible Lord, I thought, how can a mere man understand God? “My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.” (Proverbs 2:1-5) When I picked up the Bible and began reading it something was now different. I had always read and listened to the Bible as a 3rd person, in other words, this apostle is writing to this other apostle, this scripture doesn’t apply to me. For the very first time since I began my study of the scriptures did I realize the scriptures were speaking directly to me! The Words were like 3D, a hologram! Who is this 3rd person I keep imagining? Every scripture, every parable I didn’t seem to understand was as plain as if I was reading a children’s book! This is when I could see the utter Perfection of God’s Word and the inerrancy of scripture. The only way to describe what had just happened to me was “HOLINESS” had entered me! “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.” (Proverbs9:10) So you may be asking yourself, how does my testimony relate to this video? Well it seems to me it’s quite obvious. There is only one Jesus, the one revealed in scripture. Jesus and the written Word are ONE AND THE SAME. There is no other way to God except through His Word! It is the Word that gives you the SPIRIT: “It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are SPIRIT, and they are life.” (John 6:63) You must be BORN AGAIN of the Word: “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23) When you read the following passage with those Words in 3-D jumping out of the pages you will come to the realization that the Bible is speaking of itself! “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by ME.” (John 14:6) So this argument of Calvinism vs Arminianism is settled, EVERYONE can approach the scriptures the way I did, and EVERYONE can love God the way did, and God will reveal Himself to whom ever He sees is ready to receive His Truth. So the question is not which one of these two views is correct, but rather how much is the individual willing to do to love and find God! “If ye continue in my WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you FREE.” (John 8:31-32)
God indeed reveals Himself to those who seek after Him. His word comes alive by His Spirit, bringing the Zoe life of God into the core of our being. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL JOURNEY you chose to take..... Again, choice is important in the life of a christian...
Technically, you were talking about your decision to follow Jesus after all the spiritual journey you've been through. That's free will. Yes, you don't have to label it as Arminianism or whatever. But use of free will (decision) to follow Jesus is what Arminians believe. Lots of believers don't even know they hold on to the Arminian theology including me, until last year when I started attending a reformed church and started to do a more in depth studies on both.
@@buencaminoph it wasn't until I finally got saved that i realized Reformed theology is true I tried to "choose God" and kept falling away it wasn't until God saved me, He regenerated me and then I now endure in the faith you can not endure by your free will, you need the Spirit and He remains with us until the end this whole idea of "choose to follow God, choose to remain in Christ" if that were true, no one would ever remain in Christ, we can only do it by the Spirit this video has many theological errors
I wanted to mention, ive been Very damaged from this tension between Armenianism and Calvinism because of one of the guys in my church that I used to attend. Ive dealt with much doctrinal conflict before because of my mom and dad being of different denominations. Having said that, All this inner fighting can have an unhealthy effect on others outside of those beliefs and on their growth with with Christ Jesus, if so, please keep me in prayer Brother, thank you!
If you need encouragement from fellow man turn to John Lennox, pastor Mike Winger, and pastor Gene Kim. Those are who I turn to if I need clarity of something and need answers in these times were there are so many false teachings because of RU-vid(false prophets,etc), through music(Jesus Culture aka bethel), and yes, movies(The Chosen aka Mormonism, God's Not Dead).
Arminianism is also Calvinist - actually. U should go to the channel beyond the fundamentals and he explains these things so well and will really help recover ur faith
The nature that comes with Calvinism is vicious. They can be very hard, assertive, and rejecting. Don’t be fooled. It’s a stronghold of the enemy. I think it’s because their justification or election actually hinges upon their knowledge so we’re never perceived as reasoning but as accusing. Anyone who doesn’t mirror their so called “right knowledge” is a threat. Their theology is belittling and degrading towards mankind and they reflect that in the way they treat others. My advice, Just focus on lifting up Jesus. They need this most of all!
I'm so glad you talked about this! I was a Calvinist. I left in October. A friend of mine always picked on me for it and I challenged her one day and told her to explain to me Roman's 9. She did. She didn't put words in my mouth and she walked me through verse by verse and took me to the passages Paul was quoting. It was a four hour theological discussion that ended in tears and deliverance! It was not until I prayed to God for the truth AND humility that I saw the truth. Calvinism severely hindered my faith and my relationship with God. We need to start teaching the dangers of Calvinism. I fell for it because no one really talks about predestination besides Calvinists. Predestination is talked about in the Bible obviously but the Calvinist interpretation just is not correct. Pray for your Calvinist brothers and sisters! They can change. I did. :)
If Romans 9 did not have the interpretation that calvinist hold to then why does Paul make the statement below in verses 19-21? It's very obvious that predestination and election is up to God's choice and who are we to talk back and question God about it and that is the position and argument Paul makes. “You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?” Romans 9:19-21 NKJV
@josiahhowell6666 it was a question posed to Paul as to why Israel killed its messiah. God's will was to save and Isreal needed to be blinded to fulfill the prophecy. If we're blind from birth, you can't blind a 2nd time. If one has no eyes there'd be no reason to speak in parables if the pharasees were already unable to see the truth. Calvinism is wrong
Is it possible to change what God knew from the beginning. Is God ever learning? Isaiah 46:10 Why is it necessary to make God fit into our tiny mold of understanding. God is to be accepted but not necessarily understood. Who can know the mind of God? 1 Cor. 2:16.
It's not impossible to believe that God can know the end from the beginning, and still allow free will. To know something is not to cause it, necessarily. Understanding free will is very important in understanding Scripture. For one thing, there can be no true love without it. To be free to NOT love, and to LOVE ANYWAY! THAT is true love. Therefore, free will is a key part of the logic, and the beauty, of the plan of salvation.
Hello Brother Vlad. I am a Calvinist (at least a four point-still working through limited atonement). Appreciate your thoughts on this, it is helpful to see the Arminian position clearly stated. I have to say that not all of the Calvin positions are articulated accurately here (especially that you are representing double-predestination). I would encourage those who are interested in understanding the Calvinist position to take a look at Wayne Grudems Systematic Theology. It states, in an easy to read way, the Calvin understanding of scripture. I agree that Calvinists can be pretty aggressive in our defense of our theological understanding of scripture, and for that I am sorry. It is wonderful to have brothers and sisters all around the world, saved by Grace, through faith in our wonderful Lord, Jesus Christ. Happy to count you a brother and enjoy working through scripture in such a way. Appreciate your video.
I struggled working through limited atonement like you as well. I would recommend reading the death of death by John Owen, it is a hard read, but if you can take notes while reading it it will clear this doctrine up miraculously
Double-predestination is made up by calvinists. Keep working though, eventually you will have to come to terms with God authoring sin and your god being a moron that needs people to translate his words because when he spoke them, he didnt mean what he said.
I would recommend the Bible. When we look elsewhere for our answers and those answers are from sinful men, we get led astray. One of the main reasons we receive the Holy Spirit is for Him to help us understand what's written. I Cor.2:12 says, "Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words." When the Scriptures say Jesus died for the sins of the whole world (Jn.3:16), that is exactly what He means. The "world of the elect" is a made-up term to fit a made up principle. It is not based in Scripture. The Scriptures teach that adding or taking away from what God says is a big no-no. Prov. 30:5-6 says, "Every word of God is tested; He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him. Do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar." We need to stick to what it says and ask Him for His wisdom. James 1:5-6a says, "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him. But he must ask in faith without any doubting..."
@@derpywho1394 appreciate that Derpy. Of course we understand that Calvin and Arminius are interpreting scripture and that we have an ‘Acts 17’ responsibility to examine the scriptures to see if these things are so. I find it so encouraging to discuss these matters, even where we understand doctrine differently. We are sharpened in the scriptures as we discuss these things as brothers. And one day, all of our theology will be corrected as we worship at the feet of the one who has finished His work in us, to the praise of His glory. Blessings!
@@seantallent3676 I intend to read John Owen at some point. Soo many other books on the table though! Hoping to finally read my Josephus book soon as I enjoy reading the history of the times.
Then why would there be a Hell? If God the Fathers Son was sacrificed for all, I’m not trying to undermine the capabilities of the sacrifice because the sacrifice made is more than big enough to save all of man kind nor am I trying to argue because you believe in Christ and for that I Love you in fellowship of our Lord. I think you’re trying to say “Christ died for whosoever believes and walks with Him.” Because there will be many who on the day of judgement say “Lord Lord” and he will say “depart from me I never knew you worker of iniquity.”
@@Mattebby20 🧑⚖️ Jesus Christ died for all but only those who believe in him shall be saved. 🧑⚖️ Nowhere in the scriptures says his sacrifice is only for those who believe, otherwise you have to provide one.
All races Elect from every nation Would it have unfair of God To not let people choose their Lifestyle and vocation and do Their own thing yet also save Some and not others!
Thank you for this pastor! This has increased my understanding in some areas of other beliefs that are not in line with Gods’ truth.🙏 All praises be to God!
I was a Calvinist before watching this and after watching this I am still a Calvinist. When I go to heaven, the difference between me and another person who went to hell won’t be that I had the good sense to choose God but it will be that God choose me out his rich mercy and grace, 100% God!!!!! God bless you all!
@@hdtn99 everyone by default is going to hell unless God saves them you do not deserve heaven, no one does Romans 3: ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God NO ONE seeks God, NO ONE understands you give too much credit for humans the fact that you can live 100 years and defy and hate God the whole time is a testament of His mercy and patience
So you were Brainwashed before you watched this video and you are still Brainwashed after watching this video! Actually, God never died for you...so how can you say you will be in Heaven..huh?
Soteriology is a great subject. It is worth checking out differing views. Either way Jesus is the god man and died for all of us and our sins. So yes not a calvanist but there still are some great preachers out there who are.
I’m a Christist and believe God wants everyone because he loves us all as his word says. No one is brought to the cross that God did not draw to himself. His word is not called Good News for no reason. I stand with him being a loving and gracious Father who loves everyone he cared to create. Forget favoritism or random selection. We are all fearfully and wonderfully made.
Great video! I was raised Mennonite. I despised my upbringing and started a party lifestyle in my teens and twenties. When I had enough of hopeless living, I repented and gave my life to Christ Jesus and have journeyed with God for 10 years now. I have been to many churches and have seen parts of Calvinism creep in to baptist, Mennonite, and many nondenominational belief systems. It’s detrimental. They don’t even value the importance of perusing the gifts of the spirit.
Can the sinner approach the throne of God without the draw of God? Is gods ones and God’s will defined the same? Is John 3:16 in the Greek telling us whosoever believes or whoever is believing? Acts 7:51 seems to state an active presence of rejection. Where is the mention of the draw of God in contrast? John 14:15 "If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments. Did he say you can keep? Is it optional? Lose salvation? Didn’t paul say nothing separate us from Christ?
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” ~Jeremiah 29:13. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. ~2 Peter 3:9
IN ORDER FOR US TO SEEK GOD HE MUST FIRST CALLS US. FULL CONTEXT IS NEEDED HERE, AND EVERYWHERE.LET US PRAY FOR OTHERS AND HAVE MERCY ON OTHERS IN THE HOPES GOD SOFTENS ALL HEARTS AS MANY AS GOD WILL HAVE MERCY ON AND CALLS.....WITH LOVE FOR GOD ABOVE ALL THINGS AND LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER WHILE GODS DOOR IS STILL OPEN.. ..
Shalom from Switzerland. You are absolutely right. We must beware of man made theology. God created man to have relationship both ways, not to Be a puppet in the hands of God.
I am most definitely not a calvinist. Truly understanding your theology and the doctrine of where you worship really does matter imo. Blessings to all ❤️🔥
Based on quite a few dialogues/debates, my best guess is that many people so strongly oppose Calvinism because they hate the idea that they are not in control. They despise the idea that their faith was predestined. They loathe the concept that God choosing them had anything to do with them coming to Christ for salvation. Simply put, they want to think that they are fully in control of their own eternal destiny. They chose to receive Christ as Savior. And for many, they adamantly hold onto the idea that they can also choose to reject Christ as Savior after previously trusting in Him for salvation. What Calvinism haters do not understand, or refuse to accept, is that God's absolute sovereignty does not negate the fact that we are still absolutely responsible for our actions. Yes, God elects people to salvation (Romans 8:29-30). At the same time, we must believe in Christ to be saved (John 3:16). The two are not mutually exclusive. Both are true. Everyone whom God has chosen will believe, and everyone who believes is chosen by God. Admitting that you cannot perfectly understand the mind of God is the only way to come to a biblical balance on this issue (Romans 11:33-34). Calvinists do not have a perfect understanding of how things work, but there is no denying, biblically speaking, that God is absolutely sovereign in salvation.
I think you confuse God being in control with God being in charge. God does not control our decisions. He gave us free will and choice. Therefore, we are allowed to choose if He is in charge of our lives. He does not control our choice of Him or the world. This does not take away from His Godhood of being in charge. He is the Creater and the Master. He does reign, but does not control like a puppetmaster.
@Jake P. The problem is not that we are not free to choose what we want, but that what we choose is severely limited by our desires. We freely choose to disobey God because that is all we want to do. Just as we cannot fly like Superman due to our physical limitations, we cannot obey God due to our spiritual limitations. We are free to choose all sorts of ways to disobey God, but we simply cannot choose to obey God without having our desires radically reorganized (some would say regenerated)-and we are powerless to do this on our own. Apart from God and left to our sinful selves, we will choose sin (Psalm 14:1-3, 53:1-3; Romans 3:10-12). Romans 8:5-8 identifies the spiritual limitations to our “free will”: “Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God” (emphasis added). From the context, it is clear that those who “live according to the flesh” are unbelievers. Their wills are in bondage to sin, and so sin is all they want to do. They cannot submit to God’s law. If this is the case, who then can be saved? “All things are possible with God” (Mark 10:27). The Lord so works in some to energize their spirits and give them a desire to repent and believe (see Acts 16:14). Sinners do not do this on their own but only under the convicting power of the Spirit. If it were otherwise, the saved could boast that they possessed some wisdom or moral superiority that caused them to choose to repent and believe when confronted with the facts, even while so many others continue to reject the gospel. But we are saved by grace, and no one can boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). God is not obligated to save anyone (He has free will), yet He desires that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). He offers salvation to everyone (Titus 2:11) yet He will not force anyone to come to Him. By His sovereignty, unchanging character (Malachi 3:6), foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5) He predestines some to salvation. Others He allows to continue in rebellion-which is exactly what they want to do. In either case, people make real, uncoerced choices.
I was raised Calvinist. My understanding of predestination as it was taught is that God chooses who will be saved and there is nothing any of us can do about it. What I get from reading scripture is that predestination is another way of expressing the idea of foreknowledge. Because God is not bound by time, He already knows who will be saved. Predestination seems to contradict 1 Timothy 2:4 and 2 Peter 3:9, and we supposed to use the full counsel of God. To paraphrase, God wants everyone to be saved, so why would he deny them the opportunity to choose?
@Ryan Kelly Certainly, since God knows everything, it would have been possible for God to base His predestination and election of individuals upon His foreknowledge of the future. In fact, that is the exact position that many Christians believe, as it is the Arminian view of predestination. The problem is that it really is not what the Bible teaches about predestination, election, and foreknowledge. The view that “God made His choice based on merely knowing the future” is not what the Bible teaches. For it is certainly true that God foresees faith; He foresees all that comes to pass. The question would then simply be: whence proceeds this faith, which God foresees? And the only biblical answer is that the faith which God foresees is the faith He himself creates (John 3:3-8; 6:44, 45, 65; Philippians. 1:29; 2 Peter 1:2). Hence His eternal foresight of faith is preconditioned by His decree to generate this faith in those whom He foresees as believing.
@@johntrevett2944 I don’t necessarily disagree with you, I just don’t like the Calvinist phrasing of it. It implies that we do not choose salvation and undermines the nature of our relationship with God. He may choose us, but He gives us the choice to reject Him. I do think God chooses certain people for certain roles or to fulfill certain needs, but it still requires willing submission, a positive choice.
I totally agree with the comment about reading the Bible through the year. I think I’m on my third or fourth time. But I’m not just reading through it. I’m reading it and then writing down what I observed from it. What is God saying. And it really helps in this way to meditate more on what God is saying and to apply it to your life. You might not get through the Bible in a year. But you will get a better understanding.
Thank you for this! I’ve encountered many Calvinists and couldn’t begin to tell them how wrong they are on all of this. When you know God and His ways, you can easily spot how backwards Calvinism is from how God operates. I’ve also found many of them to be into intellectualism, which reeks of pride and arrogance
It's always the theologian, they don't know a thing except the lies satan has taught them, also a pastor that starts his title with Doctor, like now we bow, run,
You state that you couldn't begin to tell Calvinists how wrong they are on this subject. Just curious, did you provide those Calvinists with a sound, exegesis of scripture to show them their error? Because if not, then that was a very unloving thing to do. Love does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth (1 Cor 13:6).
@@EdwardThe2nd.yes I did provide scriptures to them. Trust me I did it in the most loving way possible. I could tell it wasn’t sitting well with them because they were getting upset (clearly a sign of demonic possession/affliction). Demons hate the truth and they would always try to pivot to other topics to get me to trip up theologically
@@BradyA7 Could you elaborate on the scriptures that you shared with them that prove that the doctrines of grace (doctrine of election) is a false doctrine?
Sound insight, thanks for sharing, it is because of our free will we fell into sin, is through the same free will, God wants us to choose Him to be with Him eternally. Excellent content as always, thank you, Shalom from Malta🙏
Our free will would never choose God, we fell into sin, we can’t get up from up as we are dead in our sins. We need to be saved, a supernatural gift that happens completely unrelated to us
Use to be so confused by this but I’ve come to the conclusion both in my opinion and scripture, that Jesus knows who will choose him, he’s outside of time. I believe he takes his hands off free will. I am armini…. We can’t come to the father unless he draws us…. We don’t know who he will draw so we preach the gospel. But people have a choose, that’s where free will is….. he desires that NO MAN should perish. Jesus died on that cross for everyone… he loves everyone but already knows who will and won’t choose him.
I did not know about these two views but I can say that as a child I was given Calvinistic teachings. As I started seeking Jesus personally, I understood that it is not true.
If God didn't grace you, then you'd still be a hater of God, dead in your sins. It's weird to say God "forced" salvation on you. That's like saying, "I changed my baby's dirty diaper forcefully." Where in fact, we are sinners who would prefer to roam around in our own dirty diaper, but God gave us something that is good.
So, if you saying that God is not the One who knew his people for whom he died for - (a specific,known and an 100% successful sacrifice) , you saying that Jesus Christ sacrifice could be in vain as He is waiting upon His creation acceptance for His sacrifice. Is the creation sovereignty over God, or the other way?
Reformed theology doesn't teach that God forces anything on anyone, nor does it reject free choice. Reformed theology affirms both human free will and the sovereignty of God. Humans can choose to believe or not believe, but it's just to say that God already knows what they will choose, because God is omniscient (He knows all things). God simply knows the end choice of all humans. That's very different from God forcing people. VERY big misconception that many people have.
@@johnnluc The way I wrapped my head around that (last question) is that God is indeed soverein - which is His authority/place and His choice to give us a free will is a function of that authority. The good news is that He works in us, always calling/knocking/inviting, but yes, we are still free to answer or not.
The Calvinism position is often attacked because we want to say WE have a “choice” in choosing Christ. We want to believe WE have “ability”. But do we? Is your conversion to Christ a passive Choice? Did you choose because it was a novel cool idea? Or were you on your knees, broken, in tears realizing the horror of your sin and its coming outcome? No one chooses Christ from a position of passive understanding. What looks like a choice is more a realization. An awakening. So what does the Draw in John 6:44 look like? A-bit like this…. “Gods real? Wait, if he is real…is Jesus his son? If Jesus is real and is the son, that means the cross actually happened. That means my sin has a future consequence. Ive done so many terrible things, am i even worth saving? What have i done? Oh God please save me. PLEASE. “ The draw is without a choice. It leads to an absolute result. No one at this point stops, turns and rejects. They have crossed a line of no return. They are made ALIVE in an instant. God draws and through irresistible grace compels you through a broken and contrite heart to repentance by allowing you to realize the gravity of your sin. Did you choose? No. You only perceive choice. God did EVERYTHING. God: Compelled Revealed Impressed Saved Your asking to be saved was a result of Gods actions. Not free will from a position of human intellect. We are saved by Gods Grace THROUGH faith. Neither Grace nor Faith came from you. Otherwise YOU could boast of free will. “I made a decision for…”. NOPE. You did NOTHING. God chose YOU. Romans 9:15-17 ESV - “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. So then God has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. Not just pharaoh.
I believe in the points of Calvinism, because they are biblical. My confidence in my salvation is rooted in the sovereignty of God. My assurance to get through the day, and through this life are rooted in a belief that God saved me and keeps me. To be an Armenian I would be, depending on myself, as the decisive means of being saved, and to continue believing. That word, decisive is very important. Because if the ultimate decisive thing in being saved and staying a believer is me, then I am on very shaky ground. Who knows what could happen to me in the future that would cause me to decisively choose to walk away from God? Every person who believes in the free will of man in these ways, has to grapple with these questions. You simply cannot have any assurance that you are truly saved or that you will stay saved if you believe Armenian theology. Decisively it is on you and not God. You may be asking for help to believe from God today, but you might not tomorrow. And you don’t know the future. What you do know is that you are a sinner and the chief sin of man which sends them to hell is to decide to walk away from Jesus your savior. And you don’t know if you will ever do that in your lifetime. Because it is biblical, and because it brings the greatest comfort and assurance, I am a firm believer in the Bible’s explanation of how we get saved and stay that way. You can call it Calvinism if you want to, I just call it biblical salvation and assurance.
If you read the Bible from Genesis to Reverlation, it is very clear that humanity has free will and God punnishes them when they do wrong. But the fact of the matter is you don't need to believe in calvinism to have certainity in Christ. Christ's offer is for everyone and you just need to accept it. Utimately his offer isn't really about heaven and eternal life (although you will get those things), but about a relationship with him. The more you know about him, the more you want to be with him and the more time you spend with him, the more you want to know him. Calvinism gives a false impression of the love God has for humanity and the kind of being our God really is, why would you want to believe something that undermines just how good our God is.
@@markdurdle7710 My Friend, you’re basing your opinion on the Assumption that Man is basically good and that Man can understand the Spiritual need to repent, and he in and of Himself of his own volition has the knowledge and understanding and “Free Will” to choose to Accept Jesus. Am I wrong? You may remember in ( Romans 6: 15-23). Apostle Paul informed us that we are either “Slaves” to Sin or “Slaves” to Righteousness. Is this passage not true Brother? Where in that passage is Man’s “Free Will” to make His own Destiny? We are not born good ( Romans 3: 10-12) as some suppose. In ( Ephesians 2: 1-10 ) you read that we are all Spiritually Dead until God “Makes” us Alive in Christ. In (1st Corinthian’s 2:14) Apostle Paul advised us the We “CANNOT” understand things of the Spirit of God because we are Flesh. So the question is How can a “Spiritually Dead” Man do or even know how to Save Himself? Jesus said of the Spiritually Dead, “Let the Dead bury the Dead.” ( Luke 9:60 ) So since a Man cannot choose to Save Himself, how is one Saved? This is what Nicodemus was asking Jesus in ( John 3: 3-7) Jesus advised us the we must be Born again, did He Not? Born from above. A Man cant create Himself in the Womb and cause himself to be Born of Flesh the First Time, how can he be Reborn by the Spirit in and of himself the 2nd Time? Of Course the answer is it is Impossible. So how can a Spiritually dead person who knows nothing of Gods Spirit and is a Slave to Sin, become a Slave to Righteousness and be Pleasing to God? It’s called “ Regeneration” of the Spirit (Titus 3: 1-7) God gives us a new Heart (Ezekiel 26:36) ( Jeremiah 31: 3) ( Hebrews 8:10) This is what (Ephesians 2: 1-10) is talking about. So you see that a Man cannot Save Himself of his own so called “Free Will” and never would with out First God choosing to Save Him, Regenerating Him and then keeping Him (Ephesians 1:13) and ( John 10:27-29). My Brother, once a man has had his Mind opened to understand Scripture as JESUS did with His Apostles (Luke 24:45) and God “Grants” him repentance ( Acts 11:18) all of which is the result of His Regeneration by God, he will freely come to The Cross to be Saved. Not because he was coerced or forced, but because he was first chosen by GOD, drawn by GOD, given understanding by GOD, granted repentance by GOD and was washed in the Sacrificial Blood of Christ by GOD . The Man made “Free Will” doctrine puts Man’s choice at the center of His Salvation. Calvinism ( Reformed Doctrine ) put Jesus (God) at the Center, beginning and end of your Salvation. Please read ( Hebrews 12:2-4 ) with new eyes to see Brother, and you will see that when you found yourself having Faith in Christ and went to the Cross to be Saved, it wasn’t because YOU chose to have Faith, it was because God chose to give the Gift of Faith to YOU. Faith is not Man’s gift to God, it is Gods gift to Man. What’s more, is that you were chosen “before the Foundation of the World.” Ephesians 1: 4-6. Free Will doctrine is Self Centered and Humanistic and was born out of Man’s Pride. Reformed Doctrine is God Centered, God Honoring and giving God ALL Glory and ALL the Credit to GOD for HIS plan to redeem Men to Himself, by Himself, without the Help of Man. Remember what God said clearly in Isaiah 42:8? He will “not share His Glory with anyone else.” The Glory of God through Jesus Christ has nothing to do with The choice of SINFUL as Man could then boast! Salvation is Created by God and carried out by GOD. This is of the Sovereignty of GOD, not Man. This is why we Worship GOD as our Savior and Praise Him and Thank Him for HIS Mercy and Grace for Saving such Sinful Men as You and I. Do you have another question?
Thanks for handling this video with gentleness. I lean reformed but I don’t like the titles so I don’t identify as Calvinism or Arminian. I respectfully disagree with some of this (mostly on demons) but thanks for your gentleness and willingness to try to accurately explain both sides
As a calvinist it is always a bit frustrating when these things are misunderstood. For example, god does not want anyone to perish but for all to come to repentance, but man in its natural state will not come. No one seeks after god. Yet god, in his grace, chose to give faith to some so they would not perish. It is not god making people go to hell, people are responsible for that on their own entirely.
If God decides to only give saving faith to a small remnant of people, why doesn't He give that faith to everyone? How is God not choosing them for Hell then?
You affirm that Gif does not want anyone to perish and then go onto say God in His grace chooses some to be saved. If he doesn't want anyone to perish why doesn't God in His grace choose all to be saved? Very strange.
Romans 9 - 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Wrong, according to the false unbiblical theology of Calvinism God chooses to pass over the reprobate God makes this choice to knowingly send the mass majority to eternity in hell. That is not the true God of the Bible. Second Calvinism is fatalistic determinism, according to all types and versions God is the first and sole cause of all desires, there is no actual difference between hard determinism and compatibilism. John 3:17 states Kosmos (all of humanity) Sozo subjunctive mood (HAS the ability possibility and potentiality to believe and be saved). Thus all have the ability to be saved, total inability and unconditional election (pre faith regeneration) is false. There are literally hundreds of verses that refutes Calvinism. Please repent and leave this utterly false doctrine.
“who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,” II Timothy 1:9 NKJV
welcome to the war ... pray all the time and monitor your thoughts ... always praising God for changing your heart and mind too look and sound like jesus
Grab a study Bible and read. Avoid any church that emphasizes entertainment and emotion over biblical exposition. You need to be fed the word.. the pastor is doing his duty if he teaches verse by verse through the Bible. Its a bad sign if they have a handheld mic in their hand instead of a Bible. You'll be 90% of the way there by following these two pieces of advice.
Brothers pray for my wife and l because l want to leave Calvinism because l know that the God of the Bible desires to save all who surrender to Jesus, but my wife is so committed. to the people from Church she won't leave.
ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. This has nothing to do with your theology and all to do with your Bible. You were born a sinner, and thus God is just in sending you to hell like each and everyone of us. It’s absolutely amazing grace that ANYONE can be saved.
Hi, doesn't sound like your calvanist or reformed, they believe repentance is a work and that would be a lie to them, they believe they were chosen before the earth was formed, no repentance needed, if I were you research the satanic calvanist/reformed, and run before it's to late
The five points of Calvinism can be summarized by the acronym TULIP. T stands for total depravity, U for unconditional election, L for limited atonement, I for irresistible grace, and P for perseverance of the saints. Here are the definitions and Scripture references Calvinists use to defend their beliefs: Total Depravity - As a result of Adam’s fall, the entire human race is affected; all humanity is dead in trespasses and sins. Man is unable to save himself (Genesis 6:5; Jeremiah 17:9; Romans 3:10-18). Unconditional Election - Because man is dead in sin, he is unable to initiate a response to God; therefore, in eternity past God elected certain people to salvation. Election and predestination are unconditional; they are not based on man’s response (Romans 8:29-30;9:11; Ephesians 1:4-6, 11-12) because man is unable to respond, nor does he want to. Limited Atonement - Because God determined that certain ones should be saved as a result of God’s unconditional election, He determined that Christ should die for the elect alone. All whom God has elected and for whom Christ died will be saved (Matthew 1:21; John 10:11; 17:9; Acts 20:28; Romans 8:32; Ephesians 5:25). Irresistible Grace - Those whom God elected He draws to Himself through irresistible grace. God makes man willing to come to Him. When God calls, man responds (John 6:37, 44; 10:16). Perseverance of the Saints - The precise ones God has elected and drawn to Himself through the Holy Spirit will persevere in faith. None whom God has elected will be lost; they are eternally secure (John 10:27-29; Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:3-14). While all these doctrines have a biblical basis, many people reject all or some of them. So-called “four-point Calvinists” accept Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints as biblical doctrines. Man is definitely sinful and incapable of believing in God on his own. God elects people based on His will alone - election is not based on any merit in the person chosen. All those whom God has chosen will come to faith. All those who are truly born-again will persevere in their faith. As for Limited Atonement, however, four-point Calvinists believe that atonement is unlimited, arguing that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, not just for the sins of the elect. “And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:2). Other verses in opposition to limited atonement are John 1:29; 3:16; 1 Timothy 2:6; and 2 Peter 2:1. The five-point Calvinists, however, see problems with four-point Calvinism. First, they argue, if Total Depravity is true, then Unlimited Atonement cannot possibly be true because, if Jesus died for the sins of every person, then whether or not His death is applicable to an individual depends on whether or not that person “accepts” Christ. But as we have seen from the above description of Total Depravity, man in his natural state has no capacity whatsoever to choose God, nor does he want to. In addition, if Unlimited Atonement is true, then hell is full of people for whom Christ died. He shed His blood in vain for them. To the five-point Calvinist, this is unthinkable.
TULIP is certainly biblical by saying Jesus died for everyone but does not save everyone, you remove the atoning power from God's blood and make it effective only by human choice imagine that, Jesus's atonement only works by the free will choice of a human who is born sinful...
@@tomtemple69 John 12:32-33 for one Acts 17:26-28 He draws us through life experiences, through the hearing of the Gospel, through the longings of our hearts. This is woven throughout the Word in its entirety.
I did not realize it but I did have some Calvinistic views, recently I have been looking in to it because I really didn't know much about it, but after hearing your explanation I am ready to shed what Calvinistic views I had. Thank you for your explanation.
Every time I’ve started to come closer to believing Calvinism, I’ve felt my soul dying because life and my decisions seem predetermined and ultimately out of my control.
@@AllforOne_OneforAll1689 God's answer to that question is the only one that ultimately matters. We are all commanded to submit to Him and what He says in His Word. God’s Kingly Freedom/Sovereignty & Eternal Decree: Gen 1:1; Job 42:2; 1 Sam 2:25; 2 Sam 24:1; 1 Kings 11:23; Ezra 1:1, 6:22, 7:27; Neh 9:7; Josh 11:20; Dan 2:21, 4:17, 25, 34-35; 1 Chron 29:11-13; Ps 22:28, 24:1, 33:10, 47:7-9, 93:1-5, 96:4-10, 97:1, 99:1-5, 103:19, 105:7-11, 24-25, 115:1-13, 135:1-21, 139:16; Prov 16:1, 4, 9, 33, 19:21, 20:24, 21:1, 21:1, 30; Eccl 3:1-15, 11:5; Jer 32:27, 25:9; Isaiah 6:1-4, 14:27, 44:28, 46:8-11; Matt 10:29; Acts 17:26, 4:27-28; Eph 1:11; 1 Tim 6:15; James 1:13-15 God’s Perfect Omniscience & Infallible Foreknowledge: Job 28:24, 37:16; Ps 139:1-3, 147:5; Isa 55:8-9; Matt 10:29-30; Rom 11:33-34; 1 Cor 2:10-11; Heb 4:13; 1 John 3:20
All of your pain and suffering is either predetermined or accidental and God did not decree it to be. I am a predetermined creature that may have been made out of sin or not, and the actions of man does NOT change God having known me before the foundations of the world.
Thank you for your perspective vlad. I appreciate that you have made a very comprehensive video like this. By the way I am a reformed charismatic theologian. See you in philippines brother!
Thank you for the 3 questions. When I see from the whole scripture,especially from the ok’d testament, I cannot but see God choosing his people before man chooses him. Noah,Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Saul, Moses,and the entire Israelites, David and so on. So, your first question does help people see that. Calvinism is just another name for being true to the Scriptures. So, It doesn’t matter whether people use that name or not. The thing is that we must be faithful to the word. That is the legacy from the apostles and church fathers.
From what I understand about reformed theology (Calvinism) 7:10 Because of have sinned in Adam, all deserve judgement for our sins and you would never seek for God on your own unless drawn/chosen (John 6:44) because of the fathers love and mercy for his creation he freely chose who would be saved before you were born. R.C Sproul has a fantastic book on this topic called "Chosen by God"
Nice video as always. Love watching protestants debate on contradictory doctrines within protestantism. Makes it very clear that the more enlightened they get, the more Catholic they become, unintentionally ofcourse. Don't get me wrong, I still strongly believe that the reformation was an act of God, necessary to purge the church of corruption and some false teachings that had infiltrated it. However, the Catholic Church, despite its many obvious weaknesses, still remains the undeniable custodian of the true and ancient Christian doctrine as handed down by the Apostles. I know many will disagree,, but it's still OK.
Great to see your concern about contradictory doctrines. Here are some others for your consideration: --------------- Roman Catholic Church, Council of Trent, Canon 9 - If anyone says that the sinner is justified by faith alone, meaning that nothing else is required to cooperate in order to obtain the grace of justification, and that it is not in any way necessary that he be prepared and disposed by the action of his own will, let him be anathema. Bible, Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. --------------- Catechism of the Catholic Church, "The Apostles Tradition", paragraph 100 - "The task of interpreting the Word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the Magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him." Bible, 1 Cor 2:10-13 - these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual. --------------- Roman Catholic Church, Pope Pius IX, Immaculate Conception - "... We declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which asserts that the Blessed Virgin Mary, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God, and in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, Saviour of the human race, was preserved free from every stain of original sin is a doctrine revealed by God and, for this reason, must be firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful" Bible, Luke 1:47 - and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, Bible, Rom 3:23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
@@privacyiskey83 Except it isn't. Conflating definitions of simple words and a bunch of supposition. That is the ONLY way to force fit calvinism into being biblical. Calvinism falls apart when the Bible is taken as a whole work, words are used in normal and common definitions and supposition (an illogical way to form a view) is not used. It doesn't just fall apart either, it is actively dismantled.
@@privacyiskey83 that is hilarious considering it is my academic field of study. You probably shouldn't make assumptions, it makes an ass of you. You need to learn to think accurately, then you won't fall for false theologies like Calvinism. Enjoy your bliss little one.
Thank you Jesus for never leaving my side, because everyone else has! Jesus! I PRAISE you! Even as I’m struggling providing for my children. I feel like a failure but I will keep faith because faith is all I have left! Since covid I can’t seem to get back on my feet. I lost my job for declining the vaccine. I declined due to my health conditions. I suffer from lupus, and heart disease. I’m now waitressing and so thankful to be working but I’m not making nearly enough to get by. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. I’m overwhelmed because they require so much from me. I started homeschooling them because they were having so many issues with bullying. I feel so alone. Every month is a struggle to not end up on the streets with my boys. I’m struggling buying groceries I’m so discouraged. Jesus hear my cries I’m so tired. But I have faith! I WILL NOT FEAR! I know God will continue to provide for me and my children. So I praise you Jesus! And thank you in advance!
AMEN!!! I see a picture of Jesus hugging you and your two boys, wow…what a beautiful and intentional love from Jesus for your family ❤ I pray SUPERNATURAL healing for your body in Jesus’ mighty name. I release the miracle oil of God all OVER your body, mind, will and emotions and heart. 🙏🩸 I plead the blood of Jesus to cover your boys and protect you three. 🙏🙏🙏
I'm a Presbyterian (calvinist) but never knew about limited atonement. My church focus on spreading the gospel and salvation by the grace of God. Doesn't matter as long as Christ is our number 1. God bless you all
It does matter if you've kicked the Holy Spirit out of the church like Calvanists/cessationists have done. If you reject any ministry or gift of the Spirit you are grieving the Holy Spirit, and therefore grieving God and against His will. Deliverance is a sign that the kingdom of God has come amongst you. How are you going to receive deliverance if you believe that the supernatural power of God operating through a believer by way of the Holy Spirit ceased in the "apostolic age"? The Lord Jesus said that these signs shall accompany those who have BELIEVED(a believer): they will speak in new tongues, in my name they will cast out devils, they will pick up serpents (excersize authority over the demonic), if they should drink anything poisonous it shall not harm them, and they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover. Do you see how cessationism (one of the tenets of calvinism) is against the will of God. The doctrine of calvinism is a recipe for dead lifeless churches with no Holy Spirit. If you reject any gift of the Spirit, you reject all and grieve Him.
@@daves3587 But Bro, in my Church doctrine Holy Spirit plays an important part, the Trinity. Our Church received atleast three revivals for the past 120 years, thats the work of the Holy Spirit
Thank you for explaining Pastor Vlad! I kinda figured some of this out just listening to different people, but having it put out clearly like this, helps a ton. 🙏🏼
The Calvinism position is often attacked because we want to say WE have a “choice” in choosing Christ. We want to believe WE have “ability”. But do we? Is your conversion to Christ a passive Choice? Did you choose because it was a novel cool idea? Or were you on your knees, broken, in tears realizing the horror of your sin and its coming outcome? No one chooses Christ from a position of passive understanding. What looks like a choice is more a realization. An awakening. So what does the Draw in John 6:44 look like? A-bit like this…. “Gods real? Wait, if he is real…is Jesus his son? If Jesus is real and is the son, that means the cross actually happened. That means my sin has a future consequence. Ive done so many terrible things, am i even worth saving? What have i done? Oh God please save me. PLEASE. “ The draw is without a choice. It leads to an absolute result. No one at this point stops, turns and rejects. They have crossed a line of no return. They are made ALIVE in an instant. God draws and through irresistible grace compels you through a broken and contrite heart to repentance by allowing you to realize the gravity of your sin. Did you choose? No. You only perceive choice. God did EVERYTHING. God: Compelled Revealed Impressed Saved Your asking to be saved was a result of Gods actions. Not free will from a position of human intellect. We are saved by Gods Grace THROUGH faith. Neither Grace nor Faith came from you. Otherwise YOU could boast of free will. “I made a decision for…”. NOPE. You did NOTHING. God chose YOU. Romans 9:15-17 ESV - “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. So then God has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. Not just pharaoh.
God raised up an already sinful, stubborn man to the position of Pharaoh. He did not take a neutral man or a good man and make him bad so he could punish someone.
10 as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands; no one seeks for God. 12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.
Thank you for sharing pastor, most churches today adapt Calvinism theology, and also adapt prosperity gospel that is the trend in our church today, so I'm thinking if I will find another church
God loves to bless his children and he will give believers good things in their lives. The problem only comes when we are more interested in the things God gives us, rather than God himself.
This is the best, most concise refutation of Calvinism I've seen on YT. Thank you! Why isn't there a "save" option on this video? I'd love to be able to come back to it when I need to.
Was raised Baptist with strong influence from Calvinism. During my time at college I got intrigued by it and everything within the realm of connection between intellectualism and faith. But only when I grew in experimental knowledge and got delivered from pride and religion, I really got discernment to see the trap within Calvinism. Personally, I decided not to question God's sovereignty and the free will of mankind at the same time. It is in the seemingly paradoxical where the tension arises and tension releases energy. Somebody advised me once to learn to live with the tension of unresolved spiritual principles for there is life.
I reached the same conclusion. Both are true, God is sovereign AND we have a choice to make. I do not understand how to make sense of all the passages supporting predestinarion, but the truth is in the tension as you say. Sometimes I wonder if God puts forward both teachings to prevent us going too far in either direction??
This is rather interesting to hear from you. What trap in particular are you referring to in terms of Calvinism? Additionally, would you rather remain in confusion or uncertainty regarding our Doctrines of Grace which are fundamental to the understanding and essence of our salvation? I’m not exactly sure what you mean, please elaborate so I may understand your position more clearly, especially the “traps” that Calvinism sets
We all agree that God is all powerful, created everything in this infinite universe, and knows every detail of the past, present and future. How could an all powerful God, all knowing God not be in control of every action of every atom ever created? Any action out of His control would change the future to something He did not will.
I'm neither. Yes we are depraved, we cannot love God on our own, until the Father draws us through His Holy Spirit. From there He's giving us a choice, not making us serve Him without our free will, He draws us & calls us, but that's when we have a choice to accept his call or reject it. Jesus atonement was an opportunity given to all but is only applied to those who chose to believe & abide in Him.
So well said🙌 I've been reading 1 John 4 and 5 recently, and it's so timely to this. We are born of God, of faith in Christ (1John5:1). 1 John 4 says to test everything whether it is of God. We have known and believed the love that God has for us, therefore we abide in Him because He is love.
Can the sinner approach the throne of God without the draw of God? Is gods ones and God’s will defined the same? Is John 3:16 in the Greek telling us whosoever believes or whoever is believing? Acts 7:51 seems to state an active presence of rejection. Where is the mention of the draw of God in contrast? John 14:15 "If you love me, you WILL keep my commandments. Did he say you can keep? Is it optional? Lose salvation? Didn’t paul say nothing separate us from Christ?
I appreciate your addressing the subject because I always find the topic fascinating since I came to understand Reformed theology about three years ago. In short, I was saved at the age of 21 and am now 45 years old. I spent the majority of my Christin life under the Arminian perspective as I was an Assembly of God minister. I will say that it was a difficult and drawn-out process for me to come to the Biblical truth of God's sovereignty over salvation but now that I have, I see it in almost every book of the Bible, both old and new testaments. I will admit that there can be some minister's on both sides of the argument that can be poor examples of Christain leadership but overall I appreciate the depth and richness of solid Biblical teaching that comes from the Calvanist and Reformed side. I will add that most people's arguments against God's sovereignty over salvation do always have misunderstandings and misrepresentations in their explanations of the teaching including yours represented here.
Well said. I was in the Assemblies of God for awhile. I got tired of the emotionalism and hystryonics. I shy away from that and any church where people are always talking about themselves and their experiences.
I couldn't agree more with you. I love my Arminian brothers and sisters, as I am also a reformed minister. But there was definitely some flawed understandings of Calvinism and reformed theology in this video.
@@waynv1835 Was is not God who "hardened Pharaoh's heart"? Did Moses have a say in leading the Israelites out of captivity? Did Noah ask to be the one who built the ark? Did the Apostle Paul ever repent of persecuting the followers of Christ before GOD chose him to write almost the entire New Testament, plant churches and become an Apostle? Who are we as the creation to question what the creator does? as the book of Job says "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" Was it not God that allowed the devil to tempt Christ in the desert? Was it not God who allowed the devil to reek unimaginable pain on Job? God does not find pleasure in evil, but God works all things for His greater glory. "Behold God is mighty, but despises no one; He is mighty in strength of understanding. He does not preserve the life of the wicked" - Job 36:5-6
NO BODY IS SAVED YET. ITS A HOPE WE HAVE . AND A CONFIDENT ONE BY FAITH IN GODS PROMISES BUT IF ANY MAN SAY HE IS SAVED , HE HAS JUDGED BEFORE THE TIME HIMSELF , AND THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, WHICH IS EMNITY AGAINST GOD.... THIS IS VERY SERIOUS . BECAUSE THE ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED IS A LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL FROM ALL THE FALSE TEACHERS JESUS SAID HAVE INFILTRATED THE CHURCH CONGREGATIOINS Romans 11:22 KJ21 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness. Otherwise, YOU TOO WILL BE CUT OFF VERY SERIOUS ERROR, I WILL SHARE TRUTH ON. *1 CORINTHIANS 14:37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* OR THEY ARE NOT RECOGNIZED AND IGNORED BOTH TEACHER AND CONGREGATIONS WHO DO NOT OBEY GODS COMMANDS ON THIS.* *SAY WHAAT? THIS IS WHAT GOD SAYS. WE ARE TO TEST WHAT IS BEING SPEWED. SO THE BODY OF BELIEVERS IS NOT LED ASTRAY BY FALSE TEACHINGS, SO IT CAN BE CORRECTED ON THE SPOT IMMEDIATELY, SO THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION GETS THE TRUTH BEFORE THEY LEAVE, AND ALSO FOR ADDITIONAL REVELATIONS THE PERSON MEANS TO CONVEY TO THE BODY OF BELIEVERS* *WHY? BECAUSE IF THE BODY OF BELIEVERS GET A FALSE TEACHING FROM ONE PASTORAL MAN, THEN THE ENTIRE CHURCH LEAVES SERVICE AND GOES HOME WITH AN UNCORRECTED THOUGHT THINKING IT WAS TRUTH. THAT IS DANGEROUS TO ALLOW FALSE DOCTRINE TO RUN AMUCK* THAT'S WHY MY FRIENDS!* *1 CORINTHIANS 14:29 LET TWO OR THREE PROPHETS SPEAK, AND LET THE OTHERS PASS JUDGMENT.* *30 BUT IF A REVELATION IS MADE TO ANOTHER (WHO IS SEATED), (THE FIRST ONE MUST KEEP SILENT.) *31 FOR YOU CAN (ALL) PROPHESY (ONE BY ONE), (SO THAT (ALL) (MAY LEARN) AND (ALL) (MAY BE EXHORTED); *32 AND THE SPIRITS OF PROPHETS ARE (SUBJECT to PROPHETS;) *33 FOR GOD IS NOT A GOD OF (CONFUSION) BUT OF PEACE, (AS IN ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS.)* *37 IF ANYONE CLAIMS THEY ARE A PROPHET, OR THINKS HE IS SPIRITUAL)), YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WHAT I SPEAK TO YOU IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF.* 38*** AND IF ANYONE DOES NOT RECOGNIZE THESE COMMANDS TO KEEP ORDER IN ALL THE CHURCHES, THEY WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZED 38, AND IF ANYONE IGNORES THESE COMMANDS, THEY WILL BE IGNORED... ITS INEVITABLE THAT THERE MUST BE LIARS/HERESEES AMONG MY PEOPLE , SO THAT THOSE WHO SPEAK TRUTH, WILL BE RECOGNIZED FOR IT.. I REBUKE EVERYONE TO GODS FULL CONTEXTUAL TRUTH... *Speak two or three - On the same days, or at the same meeting; see the note at 1 Corinthians 14:27. BARNES BIBLE COMMENTARY ON THIS VERSE IS VERY CLEAR IN UNDERSTANDING THIS CHARGED COMMAND WE MUST ALL HAVE VIGILANCE TO ADHERE TO* *And let the other judge - The word "other" (οἱ ἄλλοι hoi alloi, "the others"), Bloomfield supposes refers to the other prophets; and that the meaning is, that they should decide whether what was said was dictated by the Holy Spirit, or not. But the more probable sense, I think, is that which refers it to the rest of the congregation, and which supposes that they were to compare one doctrine with another, and deliberate on what was spoken, and determine whether it had evidence of being in accordance with the truth.* *It may be that the apostle here refers to those who had the gift of discerning spirits, and that he meant to say that they were to determine by what spirit the prophets who spoke were actuated. It was possible that those who claimed to be prophets might ERROR, and it was the duty of all to examine whether that which was uttered was in accordance with truth.* *AND IF THIS WAS A DUTY THEN, IT IS A DUTY NOW; IF IT WAS PROPER EVEN WHEN THE TEACHERS CLAIMED TO BE UNDER DIVINE INSPIRATION, IT IS MUCH MORE THE DUTY OF THE PEOPLE NOW.* *NO MINISTER OF RELIGION HAS A RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT ALL THAT HE SPEAKS SHALL BE REGARDED AS TRUTH, UNLESS HE CAN PROVE IT BY LETTING THE OTHERS TEST AND JUDGE WHAT HE SAYS WITH THE SCRIPTURES IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!* *NO MAN IS TO BE DEBARRED FROM THE RIGHT OF INTERRUPTING AND THEN CANVASSING FREELY, AND COMPARING WITH THE BIBLE, AND WITH SOUND REASON IN DOCTRINES OF GOD'S WORD, all that the minister of the gospel advances TO ASSURE ALL THAT IS BEING TAUGHT IS DONE IN TRUTH & RIGHTEOUSNESS IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!* *NO UPRIGHT MINISTER WHO FEELS HE IS SPEAKING GOD'S WORD WITHOUT ERROR , WOULD EVER HOLD BACK OR PROHIBIT THE PEOPLE FROM EXAMINING EVERYTHING THAT HE SPEAKS TO THE PEOPLE IN REAL TIME IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CONGREGATION!* *IT MUST NEVER BE FORGOTTEN, WE MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER!!!* READ 1 CORINTHIANS IN FULL.... THERE IS WAY MORE COMMANDS FROM CHRIST , INCLUDING WOMEN NOT EVEN ALOUD TO SPEAK IN CONGREGATION AT ALL PERIOD, IN FACT CHRIST COMMANDS IF ANY WOMEN HAS ANYTHING TO SAY AT ALL, THEY HAVE TO WAIT TILL THEY GO HOME AND ASK THE MAN, AND THE WOMEN MUST WEAR COVERING OVER THEIR HAIR AND HEAD WHILE PRAYING AND PROPHESYING, AND THE MAN MUST BE UNCOVERED DURING PRAYING AND PROPHESYING, AND JESUS SAID IF ANY OF YOU SEE THIS ANY OTHER WAY, KNOW THIS, THIS IS A COMMAND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF, AND TO NOT BE REBELLIOUS WICKED CHILDREN ABOUT THESE COMMANDS. ]ALWAYS REMEMBERING THAT REBELLION TO GODS WORD IS THE SAME SIN AS WITCHCRAFT, WARLOCKS, SORCERY, AND DIVINATION......1 SAMUEL 15.......!!!!!!! OBEDIENCE IS BETTER THAN SACRIFICE TOO.....1 SAMUEL 15 AS WELL.... *REMEMBERING ALWAYS TO WARN AS MANY AS YOU CAN , LET US NOT COVER THE SINS OF THE PEOPLE WITH A COVERING , FOR WE ALL MUST REPENT OR WE HAVE BELIEVED IN VAIN, FOR YOU CAN BE SURE, THAT NOTHING IMPURE WILL ENTER GODS KINGDOM, AND GOD SAYS , LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU ON THIS MATTER, AND LET NO MAN TRY TO EXCUSE THESE WARNING OF DELIBERATE PRACTICING OF ANY SIN , PERIOD.... : HEBREWS 10: 26 IF WE DELIBERATELY (((WILLFULLY)))KEEP ON SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, NO SACRIFICE FOR SIN IS LEFT,* *27 BUT ONLY A FEARFUL EXPECTATION OF JUDGMENT AND OF RAGING FIRE THAT WILL CONSUME THE ENEMIES OF GOD.* 28 ANYONE WHO **REJECTED* THE LAW OF MOSES DIED WITHOUT MERCY ON THE TESTIMONY OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES. *GRACE IS A GIFT, AND IF WE ABUSE IT BY DELIBERATELY CONTINUING TO PRACTICE SIN, WE ARE DESTINED FOR ETERNITY IN HELL! *29 HOW MUCH MORE SEVERELY DO YOU THINK SOMEONE DESERVES TO BE PUNISHED WHO HAS TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDERFOOT, WHO HAS TREATED AS AN UNHOLY THING THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT THAT SANCTIFIED THEM, AND WHO HAS INSULTED THE SPIRIT OF GRACE?* *PLEASE WARN YOUR FLOCKS! WE MUST BE HONEST WITH OUR TESTAMENT AND INCLUDE THE VERSES THAT WE CAN LOSE OUR SALVATION! YOUR SPEAKING ABOUT HEBREWS, THIS IS HEBREWS 10:26 26 DEAR FRIENDS, IF WE DELIBERATELY CONTINUE SINNING AFTER WE HAVE RECEIVED KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE IS NO LONGER ANY SACRIFICE THAT WILL COVER THESE SINS. * 1 JOHN 3 ELABORATES THE SAME THING. 6Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is. 7¶Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. 8But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. 10So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil. GALATIANS 1:*14 I PAUL, THANK GOD THAT I DID NOT BAPTISE NONE/ANY OF YOU,*
@@Streetchaplainsforchristyou seem to misunderstand many of the scenarios you mention. Words like “allowed” and “asked” prove that their was a choice. Noah had the choice to build the ark, and he did. God didn’t force him to do anything because he had free will.
But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who BOUGHT THEM, and bring on themselves swift destruction 2 Peter 2:1
@@Ave_Christus_Rex3777 Sorry I thought you were implying by your original comment that Christ didn't provide the ransom for people in Hell, that's why I replied with that verse. My mistake.
@@dmalo1999 you can reject your salvation by falling away. If you were a committed Christian and then you lose your faith in God and become an atheist or start to practice witchcraft or you become part of the LGB community are you still saved from when you were first a Christian? To me it's just common sense.. Don't know why it's hard to understand.
@@erim9175 I hear you, but if you really were saved you wouldn’t become an actual Christian with genuine intimacy with God and then go out and practice witchcraft and join the lgb community and become a pagan. It is written: “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made MANIFEST that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and te know all things.” - 1 John 2:19 We are all tempted, that is for sure, but there cannot be any communion of light and darkness. If the Holy Spirit is really in you then you will not do those things. It is simply not possible. You cannot serve two masters.
@@dmalo1999 there are lots of people who lose thier faith in any religion. Most atheist are former Christians. They really did believe but then they lost thier faith as time went on.. You can't say if they truly believed on or not because you are not in thier mind or heart.. I know lots peoplewho were devout and I even learned a lot from them. But now they are of another religion.. They changed thier mind on Christianity. You can't say thier faith wasn't real. You can accept and reject God becuase you have total free will. The holy Spirit can't hold you hostage against your will. That's why the philippian 2:12 says 'work out your salvation with fear and trembling' Galatians 6: 7-9 "7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting."
@@erim9175 yes, except we no longer live by the law, because if we lived by the law then we would die by the law. I honestly don’t care how much a person may say they are devout and act as if they were. At the end of the day it’s a race until the end, until our last day on this earth, like Paul said. Additionally, Jesus himself said (paraphrase): not all those that come to me saying “lord lord” will I accept into my kingdom. They will say in your name we cast out demons and did miracles. But I will say to them, depart from me, I never knew you, workers of iniquity. So yea, people can act Christian for a time but the truth always comes out. That is how we are told to judge our faith, by our fruits shall we be known. There is nothing we can do to “work on” our salvation. You can’t work on it hard enough so that you can keep it. Jesus said, whoever My Father gives me, I will not cast out! Saved once and saved for always. There is no day in this life in which you choose to be saved, that has already been determined before the foundations of the earth, this is all scriptural. All we do in this life is have our eyes opened and actually be able to begin a relationship with the Lord since he has saved us from being DEAD in our sins. I don’t say their faith isn’t real, the Bible and God himself does.
Definitely lean toward Armenian view. Though we know God can do whatever pleases Him. I think we struggle in understanding God knows the beginning and the end. And though we are given a choice, He knows what choices we will make. Love is choice. Thank God for His love and His Son n now we have access to the Throne room if grace! Hallelujah
I don't hold much to Calvinism but regarding your 2nd question, it's actually the opposite for me on the topic of losing your salvation 😂 Personally, I feel like a person cannot lost their salvation (if they are truly born again and have the Holy Spirit in their life to guide and walk with them in their spiritual walk) because it feels like God's saving power isn't strong enough in that sense. But a believer can still be tempted with sin and fall into it because we have a renewed spirit while we live in our sinful flesh. But yeahh it's just weird for me regarding salvation 😭 Discussion about it is super cool, like whether a believer committing habitual sin without guilt while "born again". Personally, if I see that, I'd just come to the conclusion that the person's not saved because a genuinely born again Christian will feel guilt doing them, even if they are struggling with habitual sin Am I going to be called all sorts of stuff for believing this by believers? I hope not. It's a secondary issue and we Christians shouldn't be so willing to argue and create debates with only the purpose of winning the argument or antagonizing the other size. This goes for both sides, me included But yeah if it's primary issues on the other hand, then we got a problem, like Jesus not being God, God not being 3 in one, salvation not by grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone, and so on. That's what we should be focused on correcting
You are close, for those that endure, and do not fall away, continue there relationship with Jesus, now let's talk about Jesus, calvanist/reformed have a different Jesus as do celebrities, and country music, politicians they all have this God that is false, or 98% of them, the true Jesus says we must obey him, endure to the end, it's not be this person on Monday and the worldly on Tuesday, it's a close relationship with Jesus, when you have this relationship it's a thought and talk you will find goes on constantly thru out everyday, good bad and the ugly, and the Jesus help me, and the I just made it thru the day and I'm not sure how many things God saved me from cause it was a spiritual battle and I didn't see that one, but thank you Jesus, I love you, stay strong in Jesus a storm is here
I believe the same brother. As we choose to put our trust in Jesus Christ we are born again. To think we can unborn ourselves and then be born again is just illogical. I believe that once our Spirit is made new, we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit. That's God's promise. Do we still sin? Yes. But we will regret. A new born Christian will always recognize sin as sin. The difference between a new born Christian and an unbeliever is that we as new born Christians try to avoid sin and hate it. Our new spirit HATES sin but our FLESH loves sin. God's grace is enough to save us and enough to persevere us. As Romans 8,39 says (in my own words): Nothing can seperate us from God's love. If we think WE can seperate ourselves, does that not make us God's? Surely we can't. I do not agree with Calvinism in such as they think God only saves certain people, but I have to say I agree with most of their other believes. I do believe that most Calvinists are saved as they do believe in salvation by grace through faith alone. That's my take on it. So if we take all of their points I would call my self neither of both, not a Calvinist nor an Arminianist, just a follower of Christ on his path, facing lots of challenges, trying to stay as close to the truth as possible.
What I believe is the important thing, is that every believer is brought to a mature Christian, That they are not tossed to and throw by every wind of doctrine. And that they are firmly established in the faith. This was the main concern with the apostle Paul, not just bringing people to Christ, but to bring them to a place where they wouldn't fall away.
A well balanced take sir. Especially the fact that there are difficulties on both sides in some areas. But Calvinism basically seems to have woven into so many believers way of thinking, which seems to result in a kind of fatalism.
The problem with Arminianism is that they think they can lose their salvation by their lack of works. How do you say it’s a free gift if you have to maintain good works by your own efforts in order to stay saved? That’s different than obeying because you’re saved.
Pure my opinion yes we are not saved by our works, but works indeed show that you are a real Christian. In Rev almost all churches are told … i know your works, meaning what action decision will you take after your salvation, that is called works due to pure working of Holy Spirit, yes we ought to boast in the working of the Lord thru Holy Spirit. Just believing that we are saved by grace isn’t enough both our hands should meet together to ‘clap’, so its faith and deeds or works or its only faith -then even the demons believe and tremble.
All is from God, nothing is ours, He has done it all, in this i have joy, it doesen't depend on me, if my salvation would depend on my decision i'll be condemed. nobody can get to Jesus if the Father do not bring him to Jesus
@@MrAugustinpattar CLAP? NAH! FAITH WITHOUT WORKS/DEEDS/ IS DEAD USELSSS AND VAIN... WE MUST ACTUALLY DOING THINGS THAT ARE PLEASING TO GOD AND FOR GOD TO OTHERS AND FOR OTHERS OR OUR FAITH IS VAIN, USELESS, AND DEAD - WORD OF GOD IN BOOK OF JAMES
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13 KJV Once saved always saved is biblical, those who believe in Christ receive the Holy Spirit and can never lose their salvation, the Holy Spirit will never leave once he has entered the believer . That is Gods promise anything else is a perversion of the gospel
I've been in many debates concerning this very topic while attending bible college. We had students on both sides but over time I came to realize that the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
My suggestion is that your answer is a bit too vague that can be used in almost EVERY situation. Straight only marriage or gay marriage? Somewhere in the middle. Men can be women or men are only men? Somewhere in the middle. Abortion or pro-life? Somewhere in the middle. My suggestion is that you stand on God's word a bit more firmly.
@@FabledNarrative Those examples you have listed do not fall into the traditional arguments. Neither side has all the answers or one is correct / more correct than the other or more wrong than the other. I'd love to type out in more detail after my vacation and family is gone. Perhaps later next week if I remember :-)
@@FabledNarrative Unfortunatey you gave a poor comparisons to @BiscuitPuncher 's point. I believe they were saying basically "live in the center of biblical tension"; in this case God's soveriegnty and man's free will... you disagreed which is of course your perogative. However you conflated it to moral arguments that are clearly sinful. From your response, I take it your perspective is anyone who would disagree with your theological take is either a) a carnal christian at best or b) not a christian at all. Keep in mind faithful followers of Christ have held to both positions over the centuries and both have stronger and weaker arguments, but both can be genuine followers of Christ. Furthermore because someone seeks to take the Bible seriously and honor both sides of the soveriegnty/free will debate is not looking to be vague but rather acknowlege the bible teaches both and that ultimately only God understands the complexities of his own will and how it plays out. Please rethink the logical analysis you are bringing to your responses and consider charity in said responses as well. As our master said millenia ago, "Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples". We can discuss, and even strongly disagree, but assume the best (1 Cor 13:7) and still be charitable towards our siblings in the faith. Also, if i misread your intent my apologies, I am only going by what seems to be your approach. Again, if I am mistaken I am sorry.
“There is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things” (Isaiah 45:6-7, KJV 1900).
Pastor I was raised Calvinist but I have experienced Arminianism in my life on earth. Once I received spiritual gifts this debunked Calvinism for me. Most Calvinist’s including my father who is a Pastor are spiritually bound in legalism.
Calvinists are often bound in legalism, just like "Christians" are "Christians" just because they call themselves Christians. But measuring yourself to God is what matters most. And the most assured thing to a Christian is that Christ will ALWAYS keep me. My relationship with that fact, how I live, will prove fruitfully or fruitlessly.
This is an unfair assessment brother! I know Apostolics (A branch of Pentecostal) that are bound in legalism. I also know some very famous charismatic Calvinist.
@@AustinTuckerPastor My father is a former RCA Pastor and he does not believe in demonization nor does he believe in spiritual gifts after the 1st Century Apostates! The three road blocks to Revival are as follows: Pride, Legalism, Rebellion/Witchcraft. Check out 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. Additionally, Calvinists believe in Predestination (Salvation is Predetermined). For God So Loved The World 🌎. He didn’t say only a predetermined elect.
@@AustinTuckerPastor that wasn’t the point of his teaching. He just pointed out Calvinist beliefs and Arminian beliefs and he agrees with the Arminian belief
@@Thomas-x1v5t he doesn’t even properly explain the doctrines of Calvinism. I am thankful for his faithfulness but he should of studied the subject more before he tries to contrast
I came out of new age 7 years ago and became a Christian. I remember being so thrilled to take the journey, but when I discovered Calvinism shortly after, I could see where they were coming from, but it always discouraged me so much. I felt like I could never be sure God truly loved me and wanted my salvation and of those around me. I always hold to the scriptures of God not wanting any to perish and how he loves the whole world. If anyone can help reconcile what Romans 9 is actually teaching in regards to Jacob and Esau’s election and such etc, that would be great. Thanks
Paul is quoting Malachi chapter 1 when talking about Jacob and Esau. Read that chapter for context but Malachi and then Paul is referring to nations of people not individual salvation.
Calvinism is the definition of what the Bible says to not turn aside to a different gospel than what you received (Galatians 1:6-7 +many other verses), for it is the grace for all to receive. It is God's desire that no-one perishes, but that we receive through faith. Calvinism comes a bit close to Jehovah's witnesses, they can't be sure of their salvation BC there is only a small amount who will. Calvinism is a false doctrine. Would recommend you to read the epistles of John (1,2&3).
@@elizeviktoria Thanks for your opinion, but this is what God says about the doctrine of election: John 15:16 (the Lord chose his disciples) Acts 13:48 (the Lord appointed) Acts 16:14 (the Lord initiates) Rom 8:29-30 (the Lord foreknew/predestined) Rom 8:33 (the Lord's elect) Eph 1:4-5,11 (the Lord chose/predestined) Eph 2:8 (the Lord gives salvation as a gift) Col 3:12 (the Lord has chosen his people) 2 Thess 2:13 (the Lord chooses you for salvation) 2 Tim 1:9 (the Lord saved us) Titus 1:1 (those chosen by God) So just to be clear (given your statements about Calvinism), are you saying that God is a liar?
@@elizeviktoria You have mentioned in other comments about a different gospel or a false gospel. Perhaps you could share with us the following: what is the gospel?
Perfect example of someone talking about things they don’t understand much about. None of these points are true about Calvinism, clearly pastor hasn’t taken the time to thoroughly study the subject. It takes a gifted teacher to explain it well, and once you understand predestination, it humbles you to the debt of your being, strips you of any pride and security of knowing that God will complete your salvation is the biggest blessing i have as a Christian. I hope you take your time to explore this Biblical truth, it’s throughout the whole Bible, it is the divine blessing
To be honest, I was born grew up and raised in a Calvinist churc actually I have a lot of responses about this and it will be very long, I'm not a pastor I'm not a theologian so when I ask according to what I understand when I hear what pastor Vlad said In fact, not all of Calvin's understandings were conveyed by Pastor Vlad, we said yes because in the development of our churches, we continue to experience revolution, especially with regard to doctrine basically everything must be Biblical and must not conflict with Bible truth and I also don't have a problem with Pastor Vlad's understanding because there is nothing that contradicts with God's word and I can accept it as a lesson for me personally but I have one question out of many questions and responses that I want to give because this is quite confusing for me. One of my questions is as Pastor Vlad explained that Calvinst's teaching is to believe that suffering is God's will and what I want to ask is what is the difference or like what is the suffering because of sin and the suffering as a Christian for following Jesus. in the teachings that are developing in my church the condition for following Jesus is to carry the cross of Matthew 16 verse 24 The cross in our view so far has been related to various sufferings, be it oppression, persecution, hunger and so on and can also include diseases both physical and psychological. and on this basis why sometimes followers of Calvin also believe that illness or suffering can be part of sin but can also be permission from God as a consequence of following Jesus as an example we see Job in the Bible story Job is a righteous person in God's eyes but why does God allow Satan tempted Job by bringing sickness and poverty to Job and others the second is the apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 12 verse 7 why did God allow the devil to bring disease into Paul's body even though Paul had been saved from sin. So Pastor Vlad I really hope there is an answer to my question what is the difference between suffering for sin and suffering as a result of following Jesus and is sickness not part of the cross this is very confusing to me and my purpose in asking is not to judge any teaching or doctrine, any pastor but I want to learn about the truth 🙏
Everything that happens in history has been decreed/Predestined before the world was created see Eph 1:11, Proverbs 16:33 and Amos 3:6. And yes even when terrible things happen, I know it's hard for some people to accept but look what happened when David sinned against God and one of Davids punishments was that God told him that he was going to use Davids own son to shame his Father by Absalom Absalom doing something immoral to his Fathers concubines in front of all of Israel, see 2 Samuel 12:11-12 God said "Thus says the Lord, ‘Behold, I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." Notice how God said "I WILL DO THIS THING."That was fulfilled in 2 Samuel 16:21-22. Jesus did not die for every single person ever and Jesus didn't die to make people savable. He died to save his elect. In John 17:9 Jesus said that he does not pray for the world. The word world is used in different contexts, in that context he's talking about the non elect. In John 3:16 world means that he purchased people from every tribe, tongue and nation Rev 5:9 and for the children of God scattered abroad John 11:52. Some have been "long beforehand marked out for condemnation" Jude 4 and "appointed to doom." 1 Peter 2:8. About Pharaoh God said “For this VERY PURPOSE I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Rom 9:17-18. Jesus said "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him." Matthew 11:25-27. So, 2 Pet 3:9 the "not willing that any should perish" if you read that letter in context, 2 Pet 1:1 says "To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours." As far as salvation for all men verses, Paul was refuting the false notion of his time that God was only desiring to save just the Jews and 1 Tim 2:2 says to pray "for kings and all who are in authority" because as humans WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE SO WE PRAY FOR EVERYONE! That's what it means in verse 4 by saying "all men." Amos 3:2 God said "of all the nations of the earth I have only known you." For centuries God passed over the majority of humankind because this verse isn't about knowledge it's about relationship. And it isn't because God foresaw Israel was more righteous then the other nations because sometimes Israel was more sinful then the pagan nations see 2 Kings 21:9. Only those who were predestined to be saved will be see Acts 13:48, Ephesians 1:4-5, Eph 1:11, Romans 9:11-23, John 6:37. 1 Samuel 3:14 God said “Therefore I have sworn to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.” That's Limited atonement.
it contains many strawmen and misrepresentations... not surprising coming from a free willer who thinks their decision saved them, it all stems from pride
Well explained in a short video. The warnings and instructions throughout scripture presupposes the free will of the individual to choose God's ways or rebellion.
We are called to act, but God decreed the end from the beginning. (Isaiah 46:10) God predetermined the boundaries of the nations. (Acts 17:26) Our limited selves should be very cautious in thinking we have control over our own destiny. It's God who graced US first.
@@FabledNarrative Sure God draws us and His Spirit strives with us but as you say we are called to act in response and "choose this day who we will serve"
I am a Calvinist or side more with its theology and I can tell you that I being a Calvinist people choose to live opposite of Christs word. However I don’t believe you can lose your salvation. He who began the good work in you will finish it. Philippains 6:1
@@Johnskis10 so you can choose to live opposite of God's word but still remain saved? What are you saved from then? Will that person take their opposition to God into Heaven?
Remember, 1 Cor 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. ........12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. Believe in Jesus, and don't let your ego drag you down. Ego resides in the fallen man flesh, resist the flesh, walk in the Spirit.
I know two Calvinists well and I care for them deeply. It is interesting speaking to them, because they will tell you that God’s absolute sovereign will, and choice to give them salvation instead of hell, is humbling to them. Yet their whole bearing is arrogant. They love to pick intellectual fights and trap people with semantics, in and out of theological discussions. They actually truly do not see it though. They do not realize they are prideful. In reality, their sense of being chosen, I think, is the opposite of humbling. They love to tell their testimonies. They will tell you what a sinner they are and how God saved them. “Are” is the key word. They do not seem to believe in restoration at all this side of heaven…spiritually, emotionally, or physically. Any talk of any work of the Holy Spirit makes them uncomfortable at best and outright hostile at worst. Their complete doubt of any human ability does not allow them to believe that God would ever work through a human. For example, they will say God heals, but He does not use people to do it. No laying on of hands for sure. Any talk of demons either brings an immediate challenge, or they check out completely. It makes me sad. They refuse wholeness, because they think they already have everything, while others don’t. They take pride in what they have and yet are afraid to ask for more or go deeper. They feel a duty toward God, but I don’t see much evidence of a true love. These are the main reasons I am not Calvinist. I am intellectual myself. I can see the arguments on both sides. But I hate what it does to people. I think I’d rather be an Arminian and find out someday in heaven I was wrong (because I don’t think it’s salvific!) than live that sad life and find out it was not worth it and in fact I should have helped others toward true full salvation in every area while still on earth.
Great story! But it's you who stands with the one true God, so stand tall with a humbling character that knows Jesus died for every single person on earth, and they will all have the opportunity to choose to follow Jesus and love him and obey him , or at least try, do not prepare yourself to maybe right about the one true God, be thankful you are with the one true God! Calvanist/reformed are of a false God. Maybe they will see the truth before it's to late,
You provided zero scripture to support your rationale. Consequently, you are leaning on your own understanding (Prov 3:5-6) May I suggest that if you are so strongly convicted of the error of your two Calvinist acquaintances, then why don't you put together a sound doctrinal theology for them and show them scripturally why they are in error?
I thought at the end of the day, that after we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour that we become Christians? Where in the word of God does it speak about Calvinism or Armenianism? 🤔 A lot of what I'm hearing with a lot of denominations is that "you're wrong, we're right" and a lot of man made doctrines & denominations- Methodist, Church of God, Church of God in Christ, Baptist, American Baptist, National Baptist, Progressive Baptist, Apostolic, Pentecostal, Evangelicals, Lutheran, Non-denominational and the list goes on. My point is this is what keeps us divided as "Christians " Wow..God is coming back for a church without spot or wrinkle and when we get to heaven it's not going to be any of this.🤨🤨🤨😕😕😕
Calvinism is a false doctrine. First time I encountered it was around 11th Grade. A friend of mine had friends who studied theology, and they started talking to her about this and she changed her view after that. I just remembered being SO confused, when she was trying to tell me the doctrine. I studied the Bible on this topic for myself to understand, but it did not make sense to me, and I came to the conclusion that I could not believe this doctrine because it is false. The gospel is simple. It's as simple as that. "I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ." Galatians 1:8-10
Wow, I'm green, that God loves you so much, to have your eyes so wide open to be able to see the satanic evil of calvanism/reformed, they truly serve a false God, they sneak in thru family and churches and separate them, it's logic and making sense with these evil calvanist/reformed,
With respect, you are trying to link your belief that the doctrine of election, which you say is false, is parallel to Gal 1:8-10. First off, you don't use any scripture (right exegeted, in the totality of scripture) to explain why the doctrine of election is false. You just provide a personal opinion. Secondly, you quote Gal 1:8-10 to somehow backup your conviction that the doctrine of election is a false gospel. Have you considered what Gal 1:8-10 is even about? It's not a reference to a group of people who believe that God chooses his elect according to his sovereign grace. This passage is referring to Judaizers who were compromising the Galatian church by teaching that the NT church was still obligated to adhere to OT rites and rituals (eg: circumcision), and that Jewish practices from the OT were still required to be followed as part of one's salvation (ie: faith plus works). This passage is about trusting in your works/rituals to contribute to one's salvation, which is why Paul says in v8 that it's a gospel contrary to what was previously preached to the Galatian church. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of election / predestination. You have taken a passage out of its context and tried to weaponize it to justify an opinion that lacks scriptural support. I have posted some scripture in this comments section that lists scriptures that clearly teach that God sovereignly chooses his elect. If you are humble, open minded, teachable and interested to know what God says (not myself, nor yourself) about this subject, the scriptures are freely available for you to read.
“Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,” II Timothy 1:8-9 NKJV “Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”” John 3:4-8 NKJV
Look what God did . And who He is. Here in john.JOH12.40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. Wow. God hardened hearts to not see and understand. There are a lot of places and doctrines and stories pointing to Calvin being correct. Its really beautiful when you see it. This is the wonderful God I serve. He chose us out of a dying mass of a fallen race.
Without God, we are wretched sinners who have no hopes of salvation, for we actively rebel against Him. Some more than others. But God graces you, gives to you first. We're called to walk in faith, but still we make choices against Him. He still has us.
God is the One that has known all of His sheep, His people, the individual person who would come to the faith, before the foundations of the world. He knows the end from the beginning, because He decreed it. Thank God man's will does not triumph over God's decreed will. And God's decreed will has not been completely revealed to us, for we don't know what will happen exactly tomorrow. That's for God to know. God has a revealed will and secret will.
