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Can 15 Amp Outlets Be Used On A 20 Amp Circuit Breaker 

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We will cover a few different items associated with this topic. First we will discuss code, then move on to safety/fire hazard, and finish up on what appliances actually need more than 15 Amps. I will also cover my recommendation for increasing your knowledge of the national electrical code as a DIYer and what type of outlet you should be using on all your future electrical projects.
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@barrysiler1443
@barrysiler1443 Год назад
the simple answer is that a 15 amp device with the proper plug type installed can't draw enough amps to overload the circuit. Remember the breaker is there to protect the wiring within the building not the device plugged into the outlet.
@olivertaylor8788
@olivertaylor8788 Год назад
That's right
@dougb8207
@dougb8207 11 месяцев назад
I thought he was going to warn about installations down the line, using 20 A outlets feeding from the 15 A outlet, but that wasn't mentioned.
@michaelwillcutt2619
@michaelwillcutt2619 11 месяцев назад
That like saying my ten amp led light can’t be plugged into a twenty amp breaker circuit
@slipstreamvids7422
@slipstreamvids7422 11 месяцев назад
Technically you should not feed a 15 amp recptacle with a 20a breaker. Although his point is well taken, a 15a receptacle, cord and device could, in the event of a short circuit, pull more current thru those devices than they are designed to handle. This could result in a greater chance of deadly shock or fire. Best to keep apples with apples so as not confuse or endangef someone else who may come in behind you.
@barrysiler1443
@barrysiler1443 11 месяцев назад
@@slipstreamvids7422 that's really not correct; most if not all 15 amp outlets are designed and tested to handle 20 amps of pass thru current. It's the contacts that are only designed for the 15 amps. it's a common practice ( in fact code) to wire two 20 amp circuits for kitchen outlets and install 15 amp outlets on those runs. Code allows this so that the circuit can allow many 15 amp devices plugged into each of those outlets to be drawing power from that 20 amp breaker. The 20 amp breaker combined with the proper wire size will take care of any overcurrent condition that might take place at the outlets.
@surferdude642
@surferdude642 Год назад
At 1:54 a few lines in the book above your finger it says "A duplex receptacle (with a space for two plugs) counts as two receptacles". This is an important detail for clarity that some viewers may not realize.
@leeoldershaw956
@leeoldershaw956 3 месяца назад
So you can have only one duplex 15 Amp outlet on a 20 Amp breaker as that counts as two receptacles.
@oldtimefarmboy617
@oldtimefarmboy617 3 месяца назад
@@leeoldershaw956 If you are running 15 amps continuously on a 20 amp wire the 20 amp wire will not get as warm because you are not tasking it to its limit. Safer that way. The engine on regular cars and trucks can produce more horsepower than they do. They are made that way because they will last much longer if you do not task them to their limit. Race cars do and their engines are usually rebuilt after every long race or every time they run more than a certain amount of miles because of the stress that running to their limit causes on the engine.
@andrewt9204
@andrewt9204 11 месяцев назад
I agree with what you said. I only use commercial grade receptacles, mostly for the backwiring capability, but they also tend to have a larger plug cycle life.
@rich7447
@rich7447 Год назад
When looking at the 15 vs 20 amp internals at 5:27 you can see that the hot side on the 20 amp is the same as both the hot and neutral on the 15 amp. The part that was removed from the previous model 15 amp would really only come into play when the connection is a horizonal prong. Since this isn't possible with a 15 amp receptacle, the part was probably only there so that both could be manufactured on the same line.
@TimeSurfer206
@TimeSurfer206 11 месяцев назад
Same molds, different materials? Makes sense.
@Dizzy2786
@Dizzy2786 Год назад
Perfect timing. Its has been hard finding a video that references this info about outlets. Thanks bro!!
@burningdust
@burningdust Год назад
🇨🇦 Electrician weighing in: I’ve always used the commercial spec grade outlets in kitchen areas, same with back when we used to do split receptacles. Lower resistance connection points which results in less heat especially for the heavy counter top loads running at or near 1500W. Well worth the extra $ in terms of user experience, safety and device longevity.
@thehimself4056
@thehimself4056 Год назад
We just switched up to 20 amp outlets every single time. We don’t build track or spec-trac homes, so it’s easier to explain a several hundred dollar upgrade to a buyer.
@stevefifield1207
@stevefifield1207 Год назад
@@thehimself4056 Multiple 20A outlets (NEMA 5-20s) on a circuit is NOT a good call. The few exceptions I can think of are very specific use cases like a workshop where you need devices to be mobile and then only when folks are informed to never have more than 1 20A device in operation on any outlet on that circuit. I can't tell if you mean you use NEMA 5-20s (the 20A receptacle) instead of NEMA 5-15s (the 15A receptacle) (BAD CALL) or if you mean you swap to commercial grade NEMA 5-15 outlets instead of residential every time (GOOD CALL).
@thehimself4056
@thehimself4056 Год назад
@@stevefifield1207 Yes. The latter of the two. No way I would put the real 20A outlets throughout. Lol. For reasons you know. But I have found it to eliminate the pesky house calls for broken plastic cheapo .99 cent ones.
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 Год назад
I'd go one step better and install unbreakable face 15A commercial grade receptacles for a kitchen counter, (except for the GFI, which I'd try to install away from the counter.) You never know how frequently portable loads like coffemakers and tabletop cookers will be removed and be reconnected. The physical stress to the bodies from cord-yankers is at least as much as to the contacts.
@RadioRich100
@RadioRich100 Год назад
This guy is a jack of all trades and master of none.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 Год назад
to make things perfectly clear, receptalces have two ratings: they have a device rating and they have a feed-through rating. nearly all receptacles with a 15 amp device rating have a 20 amp feed through rating. the ones that don't are the ones that don't have screw terminals. those shouldn't be used on a 20 amp circuit, and more conscientious electricians believe they shouldn't be used at all.
@Krankie_V
@Krankie_V Год назад
I agree that they shouldn't exist at all.. My mobile home had those and they were awful. Several were breaking apart physically at 22 years of age. God knows how long they were broken for. I replaced them all with spec grade parts and used pigtails instead of using the receptacle as a junction point. As a result, the lights don't go dim when using a vacuum cleaner now, when it did before. Big improvement. Those cheap parts were awful. My question is for what? To save 30 or 40 dollars on the cost of building an entire home? Even if it were a couple hundred, I feel it's not worth sacrificing the quality in my opinion.
@mikeholmstrom1899
@mikeholmstrom1899 Год назад
If a vacuum cleaner causes lights to dim, you have a crummy wiring job. Glad you could fix that.
@Krankie_V
@Krankie_V Год назад
@@mikeholmstrom1899 yeah! It was really bad. That's the way mobile homes are built. As cheaply and quickly as possible, with little concern for quality.
@AZOffRoadster
@AZOffRoadster Год назад
@@Krankie_V I'll third that. Never ever use backstab outlets. I hate the sound of arcing inside my walls.
@NiceMuslimLady
@NiceMuslimLady Год назад
@@Krankie_V If it was made by Fleetwood, my brother would call it "Fleetshit". Close the door and the whole wall moves. I would guess the high line ones didn't have that issue.
@wmcomprev
@wmcomprev Год назад
Additional information: As stated, you can put 15A outlets on a 20A circuit provided there's more than one outlet on that circuit. The code also specifically states that the double outlets, such as the ones he was taking apart, count as 2, so they count as more than one outlet. The outlets that count as only 1 outlet are the round ones with only a single set of holes in them and no other outlets on the circuit. This is usually only done on a dedicated outlet for a high amperage device, such as a window air conditioner or a large air compressor.
@jinbiaoma4808
@jinbiaoma4808 Год назад
Normally one circuit line goes to 2-3 outlet in a room, not including the AC outlet.
@davidicousgregorian
@davidicousgregorian Год назад
@@jinbiaoma4808 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wLSe4LzK9b4.html 15a outlet on 20a circuit will it be ok heres the answer in attached video
@csimet
@csimet Год назад
Agreed. Also note that most kitchens and baths require 20A circuits, yet use 15A receptacles. The idea is to limit what any one device may draw (15A, ~1800W), yet permit the circuit to handle 20A (~2400W)... mainly in case two devices are running at the same time on that same circuit and realizing those single devices would rarely, if ever, draw a full load of 15A each. 20A is typically plenty to handle a couple lower draw devices.
@tieoneon5240
@tieoneon5240 Год назад
wm thanks for that explanation ..."the outlet that only count"......
@brentwalker3893
@brentwalker3893 Год назад
JUST STOP BACK STABBING THE OUTLETS!
@infin1ty850
@infin1ty850 Год назад
I love your outlet videos. They helped me pick out the best (at least at the time) USB-C outlets that I still use in my living room and bedroom for my devices.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thanks and I appreciate the support 👊
@numba1nitemare
@numba1nitemare 5 месяцев назад
Which did you pick?
@TheOmniscientCow
@TheOmniscientCow Год назад
Perfect timing! A house we’re looking to buy has this exact scenario. Thanks for the info!
@caseycooper5615
@caseycooper5615 Год назад
You really hit the nail on the head with this video. As a general rule, it is a waste of money to purchase 20-amp receptacles versus heavy duty 15-amp versions, especially given the innards are identical. The highest amperage device i have found is hair dryers, which are rated at 1875 watts. Divide that by the 125 volt nominal rating of receptacles and you get 15 amps. It's almost like the manufacturers designed the hair dryer to be at the maximum rating of a 15-amp receptacle. As you showed, the reason NEMA specifies the perpendicular grounded terminal for 20-amp attachment plugs is so they can only be used on receptacles on 20-amp circuits and not potentially overload a 15-amp circuit. An important point to make is that circuit breakers only protect the wiring, not the devices in use on the circuit. Ideally, all residential circuits would be wired with 12 awg wiring with 20-amp breakers, therefore making capacity moot. However, 12 awg wiring costs 50٪ more, uses more material, and is harder to work with than 14 awg. So, we're left with the compromise of 15 and 20-amp receptacles. Related to this, I've learned it's better to wire dedicated circuits with 14 awg wiring when the device is rated 1440 watts or less, especially disposals, dishwashers, and air handlers. I also do this for refrigerators and microwaves/hoods when the inspector permits it (some think all kitchen circuits must be 20-amps, not just the two small appliance circuits mentioned in Code.) Why spend 50% more on wiring for literally no benefit?
@dmitripogosian5084
@dmitripogosian5084 Год назад
"It's almost like the manufacturers designed the hair dryer to be at the maximum rating of a 15-amp receptacle" Of course, that is exactly what they did. Appliances are designed to be usable on common circuits. As for others, Canadian code stipulates that microwave should be on 20 amp AFCI protected circuit
@caseycooper5615
@caseycooper5615 Год назад
@@dmitripogosian5084 Too bad my sarcasm didn't translate well in writing. But yes, that is absolutely why they did it. When I was a kid, I remember hair dryers were rated 1920 watts, which by sheer coincidence is the same as 80% of a 20 amp circuit...
@michaeljavert4635
@michaeljavert4635 Год назад
Back when I was a kid, My Grandma had Time Life Books for the basics of different trades. I read the electrical cover to cover, multiple times. Then I would ride my bike to the library and get all I could find about electrical.
@patrickjames1080
@patrickjames1080 Год назад
Cool- that's great knowledge at an early age for career development
@Roy-ij1wq
@Roy-ij1wq Год назад
One thing you failed to mention is that all of the commercial grade outlets you featured have a bonding jumper that holds the bottom screw in place. This is very handy if you use or encounter metal boxes because you can eliminate the need for a separate ground wire to bond the outlet with the box. Both screws on the cheap outlets are held in place with a piece of cardboard and should only be used on plastic boxes where it doesn't matter.
@dougb8207
@dougb8207 11 месяцев назад
I wondered what that was for, the bonding jumper. I thought we could just rely on the screw tightly holding the outlet onto the box, for the ground.
@johneverett3947
@johneverett3947 11 месяцев назад
I would politely disagree. I am not an certified electrician but have worked with electricity for many years. On an outlet that I didn’t install in my house someone didn’t use a ground wire on the outlet and relied on the mounting screw for ground and was not fully tightened. For some reason the outlet shorted and tried to use the screw for ground. With that screw being so small and not a good connection it caused resistance which caused heat. As we all know with electricity once a connection gets hot the resistance goes up which causes the connection to get hotter still, it’s a self feeding cycle. The result was the vinyl face plate catching fire. Thankfully it was on drywall and not wood paneling. If the socket would have been grounded with a wire it probably would have tripped the circuit breaker. After that I always bond any sockets or switches to the ground wire and the box if it’s metal. Just my experience with it. 😮😮
@TimeSurfer206
@TimeSurfer206 11 месяцев назад
Commercial Sparky, here, and we never rely on that bonding jumper. It's Pigtails all the way, Baby. We also don't use those "Stab-Lok" connections on the back, to turn the 15A Receptacle into a fuse on a 20A circuit by _making the receptacle the splice!_.
@Roy-ij1wq
@Roy-ij1wq 11 месяцев назад
@@TimeSurfer206 What do you think of WAGO connectors?
@TimeSurfer206
@TimeSurfer206 11 месяцев назад
@@Roy-ij1wq I am not impressed with any Knife-Blade style of connector.
@What1zTyme
@What1zTyme Год назад
Great teacher! Thanks for producing this valuable information!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
You bet!
@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re Год назад
Another common appliance with a 120 volt 20 amp plug, is a professional grade treadmill. In the kitchen, sometimes you see then on a professional grade toaster oven or heavy duty microwave oven. It's with noting that whenever an appliance or piece of equipment comes from the factory with a 20 amp plug on It's power cord, that means it draws more than 15A and close to 20A. It will probably mention in the instruction manual that the product is for use on individual branch circuit only, and technically you are required to follow the manufacturer's instructions on any product with a UL listing or a listing from another Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL) . That said, most times 20 amp receptacles are installed so the occupants can tell at a glance it's a 20 amp circuit.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Good stuff Kyle, I appreciate the feedback 👍
@gilbertcox5075
@gilbertcox5075 Год назад
The overcurrent protection on a 20 amp braker is 20 percent
@surferdude642
@surferdude642 Год назад
Alot of what you said is correct, but a product with a 20 amp plug does not mean that it draws close to 20 amps. 16 amps would be the maximum recommended. Anything more would require a 30 amp 240v circuit, which would give a 24 amp safe maximum. It could also have a 20 amp 240v plug which would require only half the current for the same power (watts). I have a stovetop range that came a 20 amp plug and is rated as 1630 watts or 13.6 amps. I verified this with a clamp meter. It requires a dedicated circuit as you mentioned. Some other products could use more power, but not more than 16 amps or 1920 watts. The safe maximum is based on 80% of the circuit rating and only applies for a continuous load (3 hours or more).
@kalijasin
@kalijasin Год назад
Appliance ratings are misleading. My vitamix (vm0197) blender is rated for 11.5 amps. It never actually draws that though. In fact, the current draw only gets close to that when the blender starts generating lots heat from an excessive amount of work which requires more energy for it operate. So in other words, I'd have to turn the speed dial up to 10 and put to full trays of ice in the carafe and let it go for 5 minutes before it even got close to drawing that much current.
@dbattleaxe
@dbattleaxe Год назад
Personally, I want to get a nema 6-15 or nema 6-20 in my kitchen one day so I can use a 3kW electric kettle like is available in Europe.
@djhitz933
@djhitz933 Год назад
I love your videos. I am now a new subscriber. I just purchased an older home that needs several upgrades. I ran across you videos that are easy to follow and very understandable. Thanks. I will hit the notified bell to see more of your videos. Again, Thanks.
@joeyscara7732
@joeyscara7732 3 месяца назад
I’ve found that 15 amp GFCI outlets are sensitive at the upper limit. The electrical contractor installed all 15 amp outlets with GFCI protection at an industrial facility that used pumps and power tools. I finally had to draw a picture of a 20 amp outlet, so they could install the correct outlets for my people could use power tools to do their job.
@davereynolds6912
@davereynolds6912 Год назад
Manufactured homes that I've seen use 14 gauge wire for most of the wireing. To make things more interesting they daisy chain plug to plug with back stab 15 amp plugs. After your video I looked at one of my plugs and it had gotten hit enough that it melted the plastic in the back and the wires got hot enough that I had to cut off more than an inch just so I could strip the wire! I'm replacing ALL my plugs in the house. Have found 2 more not plugs
@tchevrier
@tchevrier 11 месяцев назад
at one time not too long ago, kitchens counter outlets were wired with a split 15a outlet on a 15 amp circuit. I guess the rationale being that kitchen counters are prone to being overloaded with appliances. That was changed in the past 15 years or so to install 20a (non split) outlet on a 20 amp circuit. That's the most common place I've seen 20a outlets.
@joseph7105
@joseph7105 6 месяцев назад
What kitchen appliance require a 20a outlet? Every fridge, toaster, blender, microwave, air fryer I've ever seen are rated for 15a outlets...
@tchevrier
@tchevrier 6 месяцев назад
@@joseph7105 some air fryers require a 20 amp circuit. But that's not why kitchen outlets were changed to 20 amp. It's because people would plug in multiple items to the outlet at the same time. For example if you had a toaster, kettle and blender going at the same time on the same circuit. That's why the outlets used to be split. Now they are 20 amp.
@markevans4645
@markevans4645 Год назад
Thanks for the great videos! Very informative! I'm no professional by any means. However I have always done all home and appliance repairs myself. Videos like yours have been very helpful. I appreciate the time you take to produce these videos! Thanks again!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thanks Mark and I appreciate your support 👍
@thomasj2972
@thomasj2972 Год назад
Hire a professional
@markevans4645
@markevans4645 Год назад
@@thomasj2972 why?
@davealexander7930
@davealexander7930 Год назад
@@markevans4645 the reason you hire a professional is because in some states if someone dies due to your electrical negligence you would be charged with involuntary manslaughter.
@markevans4645
@markevans4645 Год назад
@@davealexander7930 you have a point...but..are you saying professionals don't make mistakes? Because I know for a fact they do...that's why I repair my own no matter what it is I can fix it and I'm sure as hell not gonna sue myself! Lol
@davidgagniere2923
@davidgagniere2923 Год назад
Always good content, thank you for your efforts.
@dougb8207
@dougb8207 11 месяцев назад
If I run 12/2, I use 20A outlets. That way, I have the extra capability if needed, and it's easy to identify the circuit capacity. I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't just go with the full boat if it's available.
@scottbitz5222
@scottbitz5222 11 месяцев назад
Honestly it's probably almost allways due to cost especially when it's basically unnecessary in the living space of a residential house where almost nothing we use is going to even draw close to 20 amps and so installing a bunch of 15-amp outlets is fine. Not only that, unless everything else is off on the circuit, you won't be capable of drawing 20 amps anyways, so there's that.
@davealexander7930
@davealexander7930 Год назад
The 15amp. Rating is because of the nema configuration , the gauge of the conductors inside is.the same as a 20amp outlet,it's the configuration that determines the amperage.
@heronimousbrapson863
@heronimousbrapson863 Год назад
One thing I've noticed here in Canada is that the 120 volt, 20 amp receptacles of 40 years ago could only take 20 amp appliances plugged into them (the neutral slot was horizontal). Nowadays, the 20 amp receptacles have a "T" - shaped neutral, allowing for the connection of both 15 amp and 20 amp plugs.
@REWYRED
@REWYRED Год назад
Correct they changed things to be similar to the NEC way of doing things back in the 90's and a good thing they did as it allows more flexibility now with what you can plug in and where. The 20A 240v version in Canada are the same now as well, they will accept a 15 OR 20A 240v plug.
@ghammer9773
@ghammer9773 Год назад
This may also be a side effect of older allowances or NEMA 1 (120v) and 2 (240v) outlets. When we did some renovations on an older house we had, there we 2 prong receptacles where both terminals had unpolarized "T" shaped slots, which could allow someone to plug in 15A and 20A devices at 120v, but ALSO allow someone to attempt a 220v device as well. It was a little unsettling because it also told us that the opposite situation could also exist, where a 220v circuit allowed 120v devices to be plugged into it.
@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re Год назад
​@@REWYRED very interesting. You have to wonder if Canada changed the code regarding 15 and 20 amp receptacles to be more competitive with the US regarding importing goods. Because here in the US, 120V/20A plugs are rare, most equipment drawing currents higher than 15A are designed for 240V-15A or more.
@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re Год назад
​​@@ghammer9773 Yes, I've seen those T slot two prong outlets, the one's I came across were polarized although I would not assume the wider slot was the neutral, like is required in modern practice. Had the rating of 125V-15A/250V-10A. Particularly during the roaring 20s, when most cities and suburbs had electricity for the first time and a wide variety of electrical gadgets hit the market, there were two versions of 120V plugs, the horizontal prongs and vertical prongs, before the NEMA standards were widely adopted across the board both versions were used interchangeably with 120 and 240 volts and the end user had to know what voltage was being supplied before plugging in lamps and appliances.
@REWYRED
@REWYRED Год назад
@@Sparky-ww5re 20A plugs are rare on appliances here as well but they do exist... Not so much for resi applications but where I work, in a hospital 20A straight blade plugs both of the 120V and 240V configuration exist and are pretty common... Dialysis machines and some I.T. equipment are some I can think of that have 20A plugs. I think they adopted 20A circuits for kitchens and the respective receptacle because it's cheaper to GFI protect a 20A circuit vs a traditional 15A "split". And being Canada we are not allowed to put a 15A device on a 20A circuit........ Even though we all know nothing bad will likely happen.
@DavidBugea
@DavidBugea Год назад
Good info, and you reminded me that I need to buy an updated Black & Decker guide.
@demontekdigital1704
@demontekdigital1704 11 месяцев назад
My wife and I just bought a house built in 1980, and it's getting really close to us needing to upgrade our electrical package to bring everything up to code. It's old enough where none of the outlets close to water sources are GFCI when they should be. I've added one to the hall bathroom, but have yet to do the same to the kitchen, and master bathroom. We have big plans to renovate part of the house, and that would most likely cover a full plumbing gut/replacement. Once we get to that point, in about 200 yrs, we'll do most of it in one shot, lol.
@mauisam1
@mauisam1 Год назад
Very interesting. Now I can tell the difference between a 20A receptacle and a 15A. Thanks.
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 Год назад
Good video, I liked the outlet comparison. I have rewired quite a bit of our house, and have dropped more than a few 12/2 20 amp circuits, and have used the better quality Leviton 15 amp outlets, around $3 ea. I really do not operate anything in the house that would require commercial grade 20 amp outlets. Out in the garage, now that is a different story, commercial grade outlets there, on their own sub panel that I also installed.
@firebird77clonefirebird89
@firebird77clonefirebird89 10 месяцев назад
Garage requires all receptacles GFCI protected
@michaelwright1602
@michaelwright1602 10 месяцев назад
@@firebird77clonefirebird89 I have lost one to many freezer loads of food to those things, you can have them. I have lived 58 years without them and am still here. My grandparents went even longer.
@bamalam9622
@bamalam9622 Год назад
Another good vid. I have not been able to find commercial grade Decora-style receptacles. I buy the ones from Eaton. They are priced like commercial grade, but don't have back-wire capability, for example. Perhaps a video teardown comparing Decora-style receptacles would interest your viewers, since that style is so popular these days.
@surferdude642
@surferdude642 Год назад
I believe you can order them from Home Depot.
@TheOldBlackCrow
@TheOldBlackCrow Год назад
Love your videos... I do applications for an x-ray company and our products are 20amp plugs... Even the lower energy systems (2.4kW). But we almost always have to use that little converter for small clinics and stuff. I have 3 in my bag.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thanks for the feedback and support!
@learnMax
@learnMax Год назад
Are you saying that you use adapters to run your devices that can draw 20 amps (they have 20 amp plugs) on circuits designed to only provide 15 amps (14g wire and a 15a breaker)? That seems like a bad idea.
@TheOldBlackCrow
@TheOldBlackCrow Год назад
@@learnMax no, the system can and does run in 15 amps, but the factory saves money by using the same 20 amp plug on every model. But even for the bigger unit, it comes in 2 pieces, running a monitor cart only requires 15amps but if the other part is connected, then the 20amp is necessary.
@learnMax
@learnMax Год назад
@@TheOldBlackCrow I wonder if they factored in that you'd have to put in an adapter when they "saved money" by using the wrong plug on the 15 amp models.
@TheOldBlackCrow
@TheOldBlackCrow Год назад
@@learnMax that's a reasonable point but they are actually trying to keep with code compliance in the States.... So I guess it's not just about saving money. The vast majority of small clinics that buy the system in the US are too cheap to hire an electrician to put in a proper outlet, let alone the correct amperage at the breaker box. Since electrical code for medical facilities (for *most* local governments) do specify that there should be at least one 20amp outlet /breaker in each room, it's on the facility to upgrade their rooms and not for the company to comply with the facilities preference.
@andrewdreasler428
@andrewdreasler428 Год назад
5:06 The receptacle in the middle is NOT just like the 5-20 on the right, the one in the middle is using the 'T' configuration grip on BOTH sides. So even the 5-20 had some cost-cutting measures done, once they designed a grip that was only for the vertical blade.
@scottbc31h22
@scottbc31h22 Год назад
I think the outlet in the middle is the cost cut model. It is cheaper to make 1000 pieces of one part than it is to make 500 of one part and then 500 of another. Using the T grip on both sides of both 15 and 20 amp outlets allows the manufacturer to shut down the machine that makes the vertical grip. And the casting for both types is the same, The amount of brass saved is negligible. Standardizing as much as possible saves production.
@andrewdreasler428
@andrewdreasler428 Год назад
@@scottbc31h22 possibly, however, I used to work at an injection molding plant, and they would haggle for material discounts as small as a penny a ton. And this was making milk caps, barely two to three ounces of plastic per cap.
@mrwalliceandfriends7300
@mrwalliceandfriends7300 3 дня назад
thank you for the info i had a feeling that the house i bought had the wrong outlets for the washer and dryer they both had a 15 amp outlet and it was on a 20 amp breaker and it was the only thing on the breaker the washer and dryer have their own breakers so i was thinking that can't be safe so i upgraded them to the 20 amp outlet found your video very helpful im looking at the books now thank you for all the help
@duaanekobe2773
@duaanekobe2773 11 месяцев назад
As a retired electronic and electrical eng.. Yes you can (not a biggy) circuit should break if you overload just be careful in the kitchen and bathroom. Wiring is the key also look how easy you can reset your circuit braker.
@heroknaderi
@heroknaderi Год назад
This is very good deatails thank you😄
@timarnold9969
@timarnold9969 Год назад
Great info. Thank you for your video.
@kovie9162
@kovie9162 Год назад
One seemingly minor problem with the several commercial or heavy duty grade outlets you recommend that people use instead of residential grade ones is the center nut that you install the faceplate bolt into. On all the commercial or heavy duty grade outlets I've seen, they're not very strong and if you overtighten the bolt even a little, the "tube" that the nut is attached to that secures it to the backplate of of the outlet breaks off and now there's nothing to secure that bolt. Yet for some reason they're more secure on the residential outlets I've seen. Now if you're only looking to attach a standard faceplate to the outlet then that's not a big problem, just go easy and it should be fine, just a few inch-pounds should do it. But if you're attaching an outlet extender, the sort that have 4, 5, 6 or more outlets on them and maybe some USB ports, that are often the best way to connect more than a couple of devices to mains power, then you're going to need to tighten that down some more to secure it, since they're much heavier and bulkier than faceplates, and these higher-end outlets can't seem to handle that. Any suggestions? Are there commercial or heavy duty grade outlets that can handle being tightened more than to faceplate spec? Sure, you can use a power strip instead of a plug-in outlet extender, but they're not always practical or feasible.
@johnlichtenthal8759
@johnlichtenthal8759 Год назад
I love every time you open up outlets and show us the guts. I’ve been wondering since your last string of outlet videos if commercial grade 15-amp would be safe for 20-amp use. Thanks for anticipating my question and making such a great video! My practices for outlet replacement have been completely changed for the better by your videos.
@KameraShy
@KameraShy Год назад
I am a long time DIY'er. One of my major regrets is not using commercial grade.
@robertmacdonald8447
@robertmacdonald8447 Год назад
No. Only a 20 amp receptacle on a 20 amp breaker, 15 amp receptacle on a 15 amp breaker. You could put a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp breaker, but why? Never the other way. Why? The gage of the wiring.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thanks John and appreciate your support over the years 🙌
@larrymiller4736
@larrymiller4736 Год назад
@@robertmacdonald8447 The answer to John's question is yes, it would be safe as the pass through amps are 20, but in reality it would never happen because the face plate on a 15 amp receptacle will only allow a 15 amp plug to be used. Tens of millions of 15 amp receptacles are safely and legally in service on 20 amp circuits in America. The only difference in the receptacles are the faceplate slot configurations.
@larrymiller4736
@larrymiller4736 Год назад
@@robertmacdonald8447 "You could put a 15 amp receptacle on a 20 amp breaker, but why?" Because a 15 amp is cheaper and the guts are identical.
@apackwestbound5946
@apackwestbound5946 Год назад
Another outstanding video. Thank you Scott.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
You bet, thanks for the support 👍
@cityofabscissae
@cityofabscissae 10 месяцев назад
Like your Xtreme Garage shelving! Wish it was still sold!
@Kevin-xi6ts
@Kevin-xi6ts 11 месяцев назад
I know a guy who put 15 amp receptacles on a 20 amp breaker and 19 people were killed. They were swept away by an avalanche, but I believe it was caused by the wiring.
@ApartmentMaintenancePro
@ApartmentMaintenancePro Год назад
Great video bro. Just subscribed 👍
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thanks man, good work on your channel and way to pump out the content 👊
@michealolsen1344
@michealolsen1344 Год назад
Great and very informative video!! Thank you!!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
You bet!
@MinorityPatriot
@MinorityPatriot 3 месяца назад
Excellent vid...subscribed.
@LordPadriac
@LordPadriac Год назад
Most people still misunderstand the point of the circuit breaker. It is NOT there to protect your devices or the outlet itself. You can see the outlet if it catches fire. The point of the circuit breakers is to protect the wires you can't see in the walls. Neither the wires nor the circuit breaker nor the outlet actually transmit current. The devices plugged or wired into a circuit take what they need. No more, no less. If a device only needs 15 amps it will only draw 15 amps even if plugged into a circuit capable of providing 100 amps. The circuit breaker simply limits the current that a device CAN draw to protect the wires from literally melting and catching for in your walls. That happened in my house when I was a little kid in the 80s in my parents house that still had a fuse box in the basement and sections of knob and tube circuits in the walls. Just one wire caught in the walls and the house was a total loss. We didn't lose everything but the house did have to be leveled and rebuilt.
@djjammindave
@djjammindave Год назад
I SAW ANOTHER OF YOUR VIDEOS EXPLAINING SOMETHING ABOUT OUTLETS AND RIGHT OF WAY I SUBSCRIBED. I LIKE THE INFORMATION RECEIVED FROM YOUR VIDEOS. I DO HAVE A PLAN FOR A FUTURE ADD ON OUTLESTS IN MY SON'S SHOP AND YOUR VIDEO INFO AS BEEN ON POINT.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thanks David!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
😂
@charlesviner1565
@charlesviner1565 Год назад
Thanks for the video, sorry I missed the live ✌👍
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
No problem, we will catch you on the next one. 🙌
@kamX-rz4uy
@kamX-rz4uy Год назад
5:13 Interesting thing about the older one is it has the sideways metal slots for 20A plugs on both sides, top and bottom.
@rabbytca
@rabbytca Год назад
That would imply that they also put 20amp 220v covers on that hardware. The production line builds three varietions of receptacles simply by changing out the covers.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Yep, each brand handles it a bit differently but you can get an outlet with "guts" made for a much more demanding application if you play it right. I was a bit surprised to see the design change to the 15 Amp since the last time I opened one up.
@Shamino0
@Shamino0 Год назад
Of course, it shouldn't be a hazard to put a 15A receptacle on a 20A circuit. A 15A outlet means that you can't plug a 20A device into it, In other words unless you are deliberately trying to overload the receptacle (e.g. with power strips that have the circuit breakers defeated), the outlet will be limiting you to a 15A load. There's never a problem using a smaller load than the circuit is rated for. The only theoretical way that this could be a problem would be if the receptacle would be wired in series with a higher current load. For example, the hot line into the receptacle, and its neutral line going to the hot side of another device. This could cause more than 15A to flow through the receptacle. But that kind of wiring would massively violate code and be practically useless (because a device would have to be plugged into the receptacle for the downstream device to have any power). The way circuits are actually wired (in parallel), means that the load carried by a receptacle is not affected loads elsewhere on that circuit. So no problem.
@pizzadog4206
@pizzadog4206 Год назад
Yea I thought the question was sort of silly. And now you'll be limited to using adapters when taking advantage of the circuit rating. Odd.
@Adam1nToronto
@Adam1nToronto Год назад
What if I plug two 9.5A devices into each socket of a 15A twin outlet? If the outlet is on a 15A breaker, the breaker will trip. If it's on a 20A breaker, the outlet will be overloaded without tripping the breaker.
@Shamino0
@Shamino0 Год назад
@@Adam1nToronto It shouldn't be. The rating for a duplex receptacle should be for each plug, not for the entire unit.
@tommywatterson5276
@tommywatterson5276 4 месяца назад
I use 20 amp commercial rated outlets in my house. Once in, I never have changed same one again. Those cheap ones that are 15 amp rated I don't use, plus they don't hold up either over time.
@t.conner4798
@t.conner4798 Год назад
Great video, thank you!
@Timman57
@Timman57 Год назад
Thankyou for the book recommendation, sir! I shamefully admit I have scrolled past your channel quite a few times. Been picking away at some of your videos and I dont subscribe very often, however, earned my sub 🙏
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Nice, welcome to the channel!
@pauljanssen7594
@pauljanssen7594 3 месяца назад
The funny thing is I've taken apart 15 amp plugs in 20 amp plugs. There is no difference internally it really depends on the grade and quality of the plug. Commercial plugs or more expensive and are made to be used over and over.
@ralphdoid
@ralphdoid 5 месяцев назад
I prefer using commercial grade receptacles as well but don't necessarily see the need for 20A receptacles throughout the house. However, it' s really tough to find Decora style commercial grade 15A receptacles that are tamper resistant as code dictates for living spaces.
@midnite630
@midnite630 Год назад
5:10 that older 15 uncovered is definitely different than the new 20. That older one looks like it might be 5-20R or 5-20P ready. The horizontal is on both side.
@wallacegrommet9343
@wallacegrommet9343 11 месяцев назад
What I see in new residential are mixed circuits, with ceiling lights sharing circuits with wall receptacles on 14 gauge wire ln long runs. Not an electrician myself, but as a renovator my clients are asking me to look at electrical problems as a side issue. Lots of arc fault breakers not playing nice with bathrooms
@brianapel8404
@brianapel8404 Год назад
also read the manufacturer's labeling/instructions. Some 15A receptacles say on them "only use on 15A circuit"
@brendan9698
@brendan9698 Год назад
The cheapest grade is perfectly fine. Just don"t used the push in back connectors, they will get hot. If you run a space heater for a while, when you unplug it, the electrical outlet will be hot. Time to take it apart and put a 3/4 loop under the screw like it should have been in the first place.
@ronkemperful
@ronkemperful 4 месяца назад
Very good explanation and helpful. Though I have a modern breaker panel (2005) for my condo, the main breaker is only 125 amps, so it would be extremely expensive for me to upgrade for an electric car for a Level 2 charger. But for me, my charging needs are minimal and I have considered instead upgrading a 15 amp style outlet that is on a 20 amp circuit in my garage to a 20 amp outlet that can handle a special adapter that Tesla has optionally available to allow their cars to charge at a 15 amp (3/4 capacity draw) instead at the usual 12 amp draw used for a 120 volt circuit. This would allow the car to charge at a 6 miles per hour recharge instead of 4 miles per hour. So, this is another scenario outside of a window AC or jackhammer that would be able to take advantage of a 20 amp outlet. In any case, even if I decide to charge at the lower default power draw, I think that upgrading to a commercial grade outlet for an EV might be wise for anyone using a 120 volt circuit.
@ubermenschen3636
@ubermenschen3636 Год назад
@1:37, “...Wago nut, which you know I highly recommend...” , nice stealthy ‘plug’ for for Wago connector.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Are those Tamper Resistant pricing?
@woodwaker1
@woodwaker1 3 месяца назад
I have been upgrading to commercial outlets, makes sense they are a lot less than a Big Mac and safety first
@211212112
@211212112 29 дней назад
Remember to "Fuse the wire" which basically means the wire is the limiter. Never put a fuse or outlet or anything else that has a higher amperage than the wire.
@lh9948
@lh9948 Год назад
Hi there!! First thanks for enlightening me on differences with 15a 20a receptacles and the wiring types and all. Very informative Quick question tho.. so when I plug in my vacuum in certain different sockets in my mobile home and the breaker kicks power off.. does that mean I have bad wiring is present somewhere or should I just purchase a new vacuum or call an electrician? The home is quite up in age as well as the vacuum and I’ve learned a lot from this video so if I do have to call electrician I can ATLEAST sound like a mechanic ha Any advice will be appreciated
@yodasbff3395
@yodasbff3395 Год назад
Good information 👍.
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Thx!
@tadmarshall2739
@tadmarshall2739 4 месяца назад
Wow, I've never known that you could tell a 15 amp receptacle from a 20 by visual inspection and I never knew why some outlets have that T-shaped hole for one prong. Thanks!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs 4 месяца назад
You bet 👍
@MasterTheNEC
@MasterTheNEC Год назад
Greetings Folks - Remember, multiple receptacles include "Duplex" receptacles which are (2) receptacles on a single yoke or strap. Also, the use of the term "outlet" for the device is incorrect based on the definition of devices and outlets. The "outlet" is the point where you would install the device, such as in an "outlet" box.
@davedammitt7691
@davedammitt7691 Год назад
That's pretty petty. If you want to get technical, Ford motor company general motors are misnamed because the vehicles run on engines not motors. A motorcycle should be called an engine cycle according to your logic. The electric receptacles in American homes are called outlets, and that's what they are.
@MasterTheNEC
@MasterTheNEC Год назад
@@davedammitt7691 it's not Petty...its in the NEC. Now, your reference to General Motors is NOT the same and is quite petty in itself to compare the two. If you don't desire to learn, turn off the computer.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 11 месяцев назад
@@davedammitt7691 If you were in a position in your job that you do electrical design or installation for a company, you would know what he is talking about. For us that do, it is extremely important to know and use words and terms correctly because not doing that can cause non compliant installs, sometimes very very expensive re-work. For someone like you that has nothing to do with electrical work, it may seem petty.
@MysticWanderer
@MysticWanderer 4 месяца назад
A better argument is 1: don't overload and 2: those that will overload will do so on a 15A circuit just as readily so having a 20A circuit makes it more difficult to overload the wiring and makes the only "weak point" the outlet. Next consider that if you put multiple outlets you spread that load out so that someone that does not know which outlets are wired together might load up the overall circuit with more than 15A much easier where making it a 20A circuit again makes the wire and breaker better able to handle the load. Space heaters and Air conditioners are notorious for being the thing that kicks on and trips the breaker. That is why some space heaters and most air conditioners specify a single outlet circuit; not even a duplex outlet. This discussion is a classic case of overbuilding but with good reason. Remember that it is "power draw" not push, meaning that a 20A breaker does not push 20A into the circuit but rather allows that much to be drawn through it if enough is plugged in.
@michaelwurn6268
@michaelwurn6268 2 месяца назад
The circuit breaker is there to protect the wire. If you are using 12 gauge wire, it is rated for 20 amps. A 15 amp outlet will probably realistically take a 20 amp load, it is just not RATED for that (as you point out they make adapters, if the device draws 20 amps and it is a true 15 amp/14 gauge circuit the breaker should pop). The code is written the way it is because in a multi circuit the 15 amp outlet will be just fine on a 20 amp circuit. Mainly because the WIRE will handle the load.
@slimjim1104
@slimjim1104 Месяц назад
I run 3 20 amp circuits with 12 gauge to 15 amp receptacles for my home theater and have for 20 years with zero issues. Two big powered subs, ran 4 at one point, also one big poweramp amongst other components and even driven hard for long periods never had an issue. Even with at times 20 amp power cord amps I've ran a 20amp adapter to my 15 amp receptacle with no issues. Maybe if it was a constant draw item there would be.
@dj5752
@dj5752 5 месяцев назад
Appreciate the video. Very helpful. Question: A 15 amp outlet Does the top handle 15 amps. And the bottom 15amps? Or is it a toral combined 15 amps. Thanks.
@CinemaSasquatch
@CinemaSasquatch Год назад
A Harvest Right Freeze Dryer is required a dedicated 20 amp circuit. When I shop for an electrician, what should I ask them, and what should I watch out for? I subbed and rang that bell.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 11 месяцев назад
You should say you want a 20 amp branch circuit with a dedicated 20 amp receptacle. Single or duplex is up to you. Either will work.
@JoShUa_J78
@JoShUa_J78 Год назад
Thanks very helpful
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
You bet!
@timguishard4641
@timguishard4641 29 дней назад
The big problem with the converter plug is that people may use these with small gage extension cords. That can damage the tool or cause a fire when the cord heats up.
@teemusid
@teemusid 11 месяцев назад
I used to deliver copiers. One day I was swapping out a machine with a 20 amp plug for another with the same. I unplugged the old copier and found they had twisted the horizontal prong to make it fit into the 15 amp outlet.
@BBQPitmaster626
@BBQPitmaster626 2 месяца назад
The duplex 15 amp receptacle is considered to be two, and the reason it’s okay is because each side, top and bottom can handle 15 amps, thus 30 in total, but if u get to that ampacity then your 20 amp breaker will trip. However using a receptacle that would be for single use, meaning not a duplex, would only handle 15 amps. So, that’s why single receptacles, not duplex, would need to be 20 amp rated. Hope this makes sense.
@rivernet62
@rivernet62 Месяц назад
It's easier if you think about the demand rather than the capacity. A 15 amp plug (the standard with 2 blades parallel) won't ever be wired to something that wants more than 15 amps. A 20 amp plug has blades perpendicular, hence the sideways slot in the outlet.
@samjones1954
@samjones1954 Год назад
this is all good in the US... but here in Canada due to $ difference.. a standard outlet is about $380 at Home Depot... The pro versions run around $8 each. Can get a bit costly when you need a lot of them.
@keiyakins
@keiyakins Год назад
What the heck is home depot doing with a 47x markup? :p
@davedammitt7691
@davedammitt7691 Год назад
I'm going to assume that you meant $3.80, which is still way high. A 15 amp receptacle in the US is less than a dollar.
@samjones1954
@samjones1954 Год назад
@@davedammitt7691 yea.. woops
@thorlo1278
@thorlo1278 Год назад
I just subscribed to your channel even though I learned electrical wiring when I was in the 9th grade and I'm 70. What I learned back then is so antiquated, I desperately need upgrading myself! 🤣 Seriously though, I have really enjoyed your video's and the new information you give me. Just from this video alone, I will never buy anything but commercial grade outlets from now on. Especially since the contractor was very cheap, and used 14ga. wire instead of 12ga., and wired the house himself instead of getting an electrician to do the work back in 1988. Just back in June of this year that cost me and my wife over $2300 to have the electrical panel replaced by a professional electrical company. That fixed more problems we were having than I can count. The old panel had several breakers that were not connecting because the connection strip was burned out!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
Welcome to the channel and thanks for providing the story showing saving a few bucks today can cost many more dollars in the future.
@patrickjames1080
@patrickjames1080 Год назад
Thanks to utube - I'm just learning about electrical wiring at 56 - good medicine
@thomasdragosr.841
@thomasdragosr.841 Год назад
Amazing how manufacturers squeeze every last penny out of the manufacturing process by eliminating a tiny bit of metal.
@randomengineeringstudent4306
it adds up when times by millions of outlets made every year
@zafarsyed6437
@zafarsyed6437 Год назад
Love the sound effects-- damn cicadas!
@EverydayHomeRepairs
@EverydayHomeRepairs Год назад
😂 they have been howling lately
@zafarsyed6437
@zafarsyed6437 Год назад
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Grew up in Chicago and drove me crazy. Moved to Michigan, wasn't as bad even though I lived in a significantly more forested area. Now, back in Chicago burbs and the damn things only get louder after 4pm... once I'm home!
@Dex01-Z_WingZero
@Dex01-Z_WingZero Месяц назад
So 20amp everything, you got it 👍
@Steve_Edberg
@Steve_Edberg Год назад
3:25 "For an extra dollar or $1.50 per outlet it's worth it." I agree. What most people don't get is that $1.50 per outlet more is a 500%+ increase from 30 cents to over $2.00 per outlet for commercial grade. That adds up fast when you wire a neighborhood.
@mrsweetpotato4354
@mrsweetpotato4354 Год назад
If your prout margins are that tight maybe your bidding your jobs to low
@psdaengr911
@psdaengr911 Год назад
If you install $0.30 receptacles in a residence you are not providing a product to the consumer that is worth what you charge them to install it.
@toddkes5890
@toddkes5890 Год назад
For the safety involved, I'd go with the stronger receptacle. How many outlets are there in a 2br/2ba house? Even if you were wiring up 100 outlets, that is only a $150 increase in cost. In the United states Electricians start at $50 per hour. So for roughly 3 hours of an electrician's work you get a much safer outlet setup.
@HobbyOrganist
@HobbyOrganist Год назад
"That adds up fast when you wire a neighborhood" You are wiring up a house per customer and should factor in the costs per house not by the neighborhood since very few neighborhoods would need all brand new outlets in every house at the same time! Squabbling over $2 per outlet when the cost for a house that burned down will be way more than the outlets! There was a house down the street from me a few years ago that around 2am burned to the ground, they figured out the cause was a ceiling lamp whose power wire plugged into the wall outlet behind a hideabed, and that one of the children folded the thing up at bed time and accidentally caught that lamp cord in the mechanism of the folding bed, they all went upstairs to bed and around 2 am the cord which was caught in the mechanism started the fire in the foam/upholstery. They had NO smoke alarms, and walls were open for renovation, so insulation was all exposed. Mom and 3 children never made it out "Family members sat in their cars close by as fire trucks continued to put out hot spots. Firefighters say a ceiling lamp cord caught fire, after being jammed inside a pull out couch. "They dug long enough to where they finally found it. And unfortunately it had put an overload on two plug-ins and that got the wall on fire."
@mikel5582
@mikel5582 Год назад
@@HobbyOrganist For a lot of neighborhoods, all of the houses were built by a single developer. Building every thing just to code (no more and no less) allows them to price competitively while maximiIng profit. The consumer assumes that the local building codes are satisfactory and the homes were all built to code. Taking the cheapest route for receptacles might only save the developer a few thousand for the whole development but going the cheapest route on everything adds up. To my thinking, if those low price outlets pose a danger, that should be regulated at the point of code/inspection rather than leaving it up to the discretion of the builder.
@ranger178
@ranger178 Год назад
i believe they design 15-amp duplex outlets to allow 20-amp power since you could have two 10- or 12-amp devices plugged into a 15-amp duplex receptacle and gfci outlets even say 20 amp pass through since you have multiple outlets downstream all running through the gfci outlet
@MrRalphla54
@MrRalphla54 Год назад
What I have found is 14 gauge wire and 20 amp breakers and 15 amp receptacles!! You need to highlight this problem.
@wizkid1
@wizkid1 6 месяцев назад
So if im running a 30a single pole breaker (120v) for a network ups that uses the nema l5-30 can i put some additional 20 amp receptacles on that branch or can i only serve that one outlet?
@billmongiello4885
@billmongiello4885 4 месяца назад
I believe all electric boxes (used to connect devices) are called outlets or outlet boxes. The difference is you have specifically "lighting outlets" or "receptacle outlets" or others
@pld8993
@pld8993 3 месяца назад
Not quite. Boxes that contain switches, for example, are not outlets.
@thenexthobby
@thenexthobby Год назад
It's odd that people who question using a 15A receptacle on a 20A line or multiple 20A receptacles on a 20A line never seem to question using multiple 15A receptacles on a 15A line, despite it happening all over their house ... the underlying concepts and restrictions remain the same: Pay attention to both single and total load.
@dmitripogosian5084
@dmitripogosian5084 Год назад
The reason is perhaps 15 amp is a catch all case, which mostly powers low power devices in your house. While if you think of 20 amp circuit, you think about a particular device that requires it, for which 15 is not enough. And after that device is plugged in, there is not much spare capacity left. So with 20 amp you are more often in a situation when only one device can be powered.
@Spinelli__
@Spinelli__ Год назад
I asked the same thing but some one just explained it to me. The reason actually makes sense. 15A plugs are on all sorts of devices. Those devices may use 12A, they may use 3A, they may use 0.5A, they may use 0.01A. 20A plugs, on the other hand, are almost exclusively used on devices that are going to be pulling more power than a 15A plug is rated for or else they would have just been made with a 15A plug to begin with. That's why it's different using multiple 20A outlets VS multiple 15A outlets. I've watched like 5 videos on this topic so far and none of them really explained this which left me puzzled but it all makes sense now.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 11 месяцев назад
@@Spinelli__. Have you noticed the difference in the cord of a 15 amp table lamp, a 15 amp kitchen appliance, and a 20 amp piece of equipment?
@Spinelli__
@Spinelli__ 11 месяцев назад
@@KevinCoop1 No as I don't own any 20-amp cord devices. A 20 A cord should definitely be of larger gauge if that's what you're asking since it obviously needs to be able to handle a higher current (20A instead of 15A).
@tesmith47
@tesmith47 3 месяца назад
The most common thing continuously pulling 15 or more is resistance space heaters. The microwave and big screen tv have big iñrush current spikes
@pld8993
@pld8993 Год назад
UL498. Standard receps are UL tested at 150% of their rating and must hold it for 8 seconds. Hospital and commercial grade, 250% of their rating. In other words, a cheepo 15A recep must hold 22.5A in order to be rated for 15A. In addition, the link between the terminals is rated 20A, and must hold 30A for 8 seconds to be UL listed as a 15A recep. It is close to impossible to overload a 15A recep on a 20A circuit, assuming proper installation and a correctly functioning breaker or fuse.
@kovie9162
@kovie9162 Год назад
Thanks, this is precisely the sort of information I've been looking for! I have no access to UL498 and am not about to shell out $1000+ for it, so this really helps. It also confirms my suspicion that 15A outlets (properly made ones at least that pass UL testing and such and are legal to be installed in the US) should be able to handle well over 15A, because they're commonly installed on home 20A circuits and if they couldn't handle more than 15A then plugging in two devices totaling more than 15A combined (which while not a good idea happens every day in millions of homes) could have adverse consequences. You said that even residential 15A outlets should be able to handle 150% or 22.5A for up to 8 seconds. What about more than 8 seconds, say several minutes, but less than the 3 hours that I believe constitutes continual use according to the current NEC? Are they rated for that? And what are they rated for under continual use, 15A?
@solexxx8588
@solexxx8588 11 месяцев назад
The problem is that some people swap a 15 amp breaker for a 20 amp and replace the outlet for a 20 amp outlet. The wire is just 14 gauge and can't safely carry the extra current. This could cause a fire. If you want a 20 amp circuit, replace the wire with 12 gauge as well as the breaker and plug. You also can't run 2 x 15 amp loads on a dual 15 amp plug at the same time. Kitchen plugs are often a split plug with 2 x 15 amp circuits on 2 x 15 amp breakers with an extra hot wire. One 20 amp breaker on a double 20 amp plug will not power 2 X 15 amp loads at the same time since that would be 30 amps and the 12 gauge wire would be undersized. A 30 amp circuit requires 10 gauge wire or a split plug with an extra 12 gauge wire.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 11 месяцев назад
Wow! You are in over your head. You are not allowed to install 15 amp circuits in a kitchen. A 15 amp rated plug, will never actually have 15 amps running through it. 12 amp maximum on a 15 amp plug. You can not run a 30 amp breaker and #10 conductor to a 20 amp receptacle. You might consider not trying to impress others.
@solexxx8588
@solexxx8588 11 месяцев назад
@@KevinCoop1 I did not suggest a 30 amp breaker. Can you read?
@pfcrow
@pfcrow Год назад
Since code allows 15A receptacles on a 20A circuit, at least the part of the outlet that transfers power through the daisy chaining must support 20A. As you found in looking at the internals, the only thing that is really 15A is the plug configuration blocks the 20A plug. Having seen an outlet that failed with sparks flying and nearly lost the building to another similar failure, the weak point seems to be the connection of the internal wiring ot the receptacle. In the cases where we had problems, they used the cheap backstabbing method in an ocean-front property prone to rust, which was a recipe for disaster. Likewise, when using the screw terminals, be sure they're really tight. (Disclaimer: I'm not an electrician; if you are and I said something wrong, please correct me.)
@dracula3811
@dracula3811 Год назад
Using side screws is the best termination method on outlets. I go on a lot of service calls fixing backstabbed outlets and switches. Source: service electrician.
@lufknuht5960
@lufknuht5960 11 месяцев назад
Seems to me that what are now called 15 amp outlets were formerly considered 20 amp outlets, & that they can physically run 20 amps with no problem. & when I wired an addtion to my home, I used #10 wire from the breaker box to the outlet anyway.
@kenbrown2808
@kenbrown2808 Год назад
actually, the most common wiring technique uses mostly 15 amp circuits for receptacles, and then when the homeowner has trouble with the breaker tripping when they try to use their Hoover Wind Tunnel Vacuum, they ask a handyman to fix it and he bootlegs in a 20 amp breaker.
@crazysquirrel9425
@crazysquirrel9425 11 месяцев назад
You can always breaker down relative to wire size and outlet rating. Personally I would use a 15 amp breaker with awg12 wire and 15amp outlet, regardless of the number of outlets on the circuit. Only time I use awg 14 is for a ceiling light or dedicated outlet for a refrigerator.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 11 месяцев назад
That is your “Rule of Thumb”. Not an NEC compliance comment.
@crazysquirrel9425
@crazysquirrel9425 11 месяцев назад
@@KevinCoop1 NEC compliance - you can ALWAYS breaker down for a given wire size and outlet. NEC states maximum breaker size, not minimum for safety reasons. Heck, you can put a single outlet on a single circuit on a single breaker if you wanted. But panel might have 100 breakers in it... You just cannot 'put a penny in it when you keep blowing fuses' scenario.
@Blake4Truth
@Blake4Truth 10 месяцев назад
Then your breaker may commence tripping for no good reason. There’s a lot of margin built into the code. Common 15A rated 14-2 will actually endure 30A no problem even in a fiberglass insulated wall and passing through wooden studs. 12-2 likely good for 33% more, so 40A easy. Point being the margin that is built-in. Never actually load over rated circuit capacity though. Copper ain’t cheap.
@crazysquirrel9425
@crazysquirrel9425 10 месяцев назад
@@Blake4Truth I saw a chart one time that showed how many amps a wire was rated for. You can overload wire depending on the amps over time. I think 14/2 was rated 20 amps for 2 hours. Or 15 amps continuously. IMHO it is not worth the risk to over-breaker outlets. People are insane and will plug in far too much on the same circuit.
@Blake4Truth
@Blake4Truth 10 месяцев назад
@@crazysquirrel9425 Rated means huge factor of safety. That’s what you’re missing. Wire is also rated for temperature at rated ampacity. It’s all already covered. You never need a 15A breaker on a 14-2 circuit.
@thekaylornator
@thekaylornator Год назад
Your link for a 15 amp outlet Legrand actually links to a 20 amp outlet by Pass and Seymore.
@iankester-haney3315
@iankester-haney3315 Год назад
See, this is why wiring can be confusing. I opted to put in a 20A outlet/receptacle for computer use. Many high wattage UPS systems use a 20A plug.
@dougb8207
@dougb8207 11 месяцев назад
I looked at my large freezer the other day, was surprised to find it only pulls 1.9 A.
@dlighted8861
@dlighted8861 Год назад
It must be different where you are. Here a fifteen amp circuit has a fifteen amp breaker. And the cabling is 14 awg so there is a big difference. I am also older so maybe codes have changed. 🤗
@jeffmcewan1
@jeffmcewan1 Год назад
While I think this one 20amp and a bunch of 15amp receptacles is silly, I will say that I have a friend who 6000 sq ft house had been outfitted with cheap 15amp residential grade receptacles. They had been having weird flickering and periodically smelled a burning smell and it turned out that several of the receptacles in the basement had overheated and melted, but not tripped a breaker. The receptacles (one where a space heater was plugged in) was melted and charred on the back and it had heated up and melted about a foot 12 gauge Romex (the sheathing was discolored and no longer flat and the wire insulation was brittle) in the wall. Additionally the circuit breaker had been damaged from the constant over-current and in-series arcing (not hot to neutral but hot on/off/on/off). To the point that yes, better grade receptacles should be used in homes and really the 2017 code for AFCI breakers would have prevented this near house fire.
@tedbiggs3301
@tedbiggs3301 Год назад
The issue I run into is having an electric (oil) heater on a circuit, and also on it is a treadmill. Always pops the breaker - Set up as 15 amp, covering all outlets in the basement. Must be 15 plugs, no others under heavy load. I warn my family to turn off the heater before starting treadmill, or expect a walk to the breaker box. Considering running a separate 20 amp circuit to the work out area.
@KevinCoop1
@KevinCoop1 11 месяцев назад
Run two. One for each appliance. You might want to start playing video games very heavily!
@scallywag1716
@scallywag1716 8 месяцев назад
Great information! I’m in the process of checking all wiring on my outlets and switches since home builder electrician back stabbed most of them. I still don’t quite understand if you have a 15 amp outlet on 20 amp circuit will the outlet only ever draw a max of 15 amps? I don’t understand how outlet can limit the draw, or if that’s just a max rating on the outlet?
@pld8993
@pld8993 7 месяцев назад
A typical cord cap/plug, the 2 blades are straight/parallel. That's a 15A configuration. A 20 amp configuration is where they're perpendicular, T shaped. If something is designed to draw more than 15 amps, it will have a 20 amp plug on the end of the cord and it will not fit into a 15 amp recep. The link between the two sides of a recep is rated for 20 amps, so on a 20 amp circuit the breaker will trip before any parts of the recep exceed their ratings.
@josephbohme7917
@josephbohme7917 Год назад
I ran 10 ga in all my grandparents complete 1950 home rebuild in NJ and it was only about $100 more for the wire, can that ever be unsafe?
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