Can A 30-Year Old E30 M3 Keep Up With A New G80 M3? 

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Is it just me, or it looks like Voldemort?

And uglier than anything that has been on this planet.

@@suorsah Nah it actually looks pretty decent with the M3/M4 grills.

Wdym quick, it took him like 5 years :)))

@@V1Ct0rline that's quick for Ethan

I love him. Met him at the Ring 2 years ago or 3, he was so nice.

Plot twist-he was always a car guy and he was acting like he wasn't!

@@Kavones that was my thought as well when he was introduced on this channel back in the day. I thought he probably didn’t get that Suzuki unironically.

Same here the car is literally perfection

I don’t have a favorite gen M3, I just love the M3

@@kristoff0224 looks better than E30, still has decent performance and tunability, heck even the GTR version with a V8

Especially the CSL, which actually keeps the weight sensible. The new car is insanely heavy. Everyone criticises electric cars for being so heavy due to the batteries, but the G80 is the same weight as a long range RWD Tesla Model 3. How the hell did BMW manage that?

is it couse you own one

AfterEffects 3D tracking! Very clever software isn’t it, and also skilful use of it by whoever edited. (Ethan or Jack?)

I’ve noticed that as well. Really high level of video editing and filming. Also at the end of the video where the M3 E46 showed up in between then was amazingly done.

Finally someone who doesn’t hate on the G80

It was making more horsepower than V8s at the time, that’s insane!

@CT is infant grade content now what are you talking about??

238hp in the Sport evo with 2.5liter. In germany no one leave the s14 in Stock. Average HP of the most M3s is around 250HP. In DTM spec they get around 360hp out of it. My M3 has allready 180k km on the clock.

@CT is infant grade content now What a stupid comment.

@@lolcow_president Maybe an American V8. European ones were already making a lot more than that :P

Are you serious simple bumper (if the big grill is problem to you) change is way easier than doing full suspension, semi slicks, lightweight rims, swaybars, titanium control arms polyurethane bushings maybe aero kit and g80 will be still faster.

@@dkdanis1340All those things would be a joy to do to that lovely e30 car. I never said it was the EASIER option! I never said it was the big grill and if you think that would fix the looks your are mistaken. G80 is never gonna join the ranks of BMW design classics. It's only a fast car, for me that isn't enough.

Go look at the prior design kit then. It downsizes the front kidney more to what you see on the m340i. Looks rather decent imo.

@@BB-zv8tx It does help I give you that!

@@dkdanis1340 There's so much more than just the grill that makes it ugly. The whole design is just hideous. I reserved judgement until I saw one in person because I thought it might be one of those cars that look bad in pictures but nice in person but it's the opposite. It's 10x worse in person. Big, ugly, cumbersome mess.

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Honestly editing was kinda shit on this one, they fucked up the drone shot and the size comparison was just awful. I assume they pay an editor, the composition and cuts itself are good, it's just like he had a bad hungover when editing this one.

@@lazar2175 you're right. The lighting wasn't balanced properly from the shots inside the car (the outside was completely blown out or Alex's face was too dark), you could see the mic peeping in and out of shots, the inside shots weren't framed as well as they could have been to avoid seeing the rear camera, and the mic set up and audio was just really quite poor. Overall, just not up to the standard they've been setting with past videos. I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say that it might be a new crew or something.

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I think it's the bmw.

@@hankhill9032 yes😂

The German one

the one with 4 wheels

They might be both M3s but there's only one "ultimate driving machine"

E30 for me as well, besides it was actually built for a purpose, to go racing and win the German Touring Car championship, which it did. Every M3 since has been for people to sit in and play racer.

how long the g80 been on the market? why I haven't seen any enhanchement fix for that beautifull grill

I saw one today while walking down the street and screamed “EW” only to then realised it’s windows where open. I don’t regret it.

@@bencns haha epic. Did the owner get a bit angry? 😂

@@LogiForce86 I’ve seen it in real life to lol like just a tiny bit better but enough to change my mind

maybe we'll remember it as the last manual m3....who knows?

I don't think so. The G80 will surely be remembered, just like the F80 and E36. Just not as fondly as the E30. Hell, maybe in 40 years they will start gaining value for some stupid reason (just like what is currently happening to 996s and E36s lol)

Name a single M3 no one remembers… It’s not like these types of cars are just forgotten.

Oh no no no no, people will remember the G80 M3 in the future; they'll remember it for being god awfully ugly.

@@doabarrellroll69 and an absolute beast. tbh, with a prior design front end the car looks pretty decent, and a stage 1 Manhart M3C is already quicker than an Aventador S from 100-200. Say what you will about the styling, there's a ton of potential in this car.

I daily a e34, this bimmer generation is great

->Upgrade ->Upgrade ->Upgrade ->Fuck, go back

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i like it , its aggressive

it literally went back to the first BMW's lol

@@shukrantpatil Yes, in the sense of the state of someone's nose after their face was *aggressive* -ly smashed into a brick wall repeatedly :) I'm not a fan, if it wasn't obvious :) , it's just a personal preference thing. It just makes me think of the 'nose bone' of a skull when I see it. :)

No

The pig snout grill meme is comming to live and i hate it

@@mdfarukftw both are equally pretty to me, call me crazy but that is my opinion.

@@carguyns4348 i respect your opinion since it’s all just personal preference in the end of the day. and everyone has their own view on things and that’s why we have different cars for different people. i personally think E30 is way better looking but that’s my personal opinion

In your opinion. To me the G80 looks a lot better.

Agreed. The front grill on the new car is really NOT pretty

Call me blind but i love the front of it. But back lights not a big fan (looks a like a Lexus from the back)

@@ccips1135 you asked for it, you’re blind.

@@sparky4878 It is a divisive design choice, but I can see how someone could like it. The front end in general looks good. The lines are good and it looks aggressive. It is just that the grill interrupts things a bit, but they continue the lines of the grill onto the hood, and mimic the angled lines of the lower parts of the grill into the lower intakes, and the main horizontal line at the front perfectly lines up with one of the lines in the grills and goes all the way across. I don't think the grills look particularly bad. I think the real issue is the way the lower intakes on either side of the grill end. They angle inward and I really don't think that was the right call. Gives it a not quite as aggressive look. A hard edge angled outward might have worked better. Sure it would have made it look like it was smiling, but with how aggressive the lights and the rest of the design was, it would come off as more of a devilish smile. Probably would have made it less divisive. That's just my two cents, and I don't have photoshop to figure out a way to visualize it so it could look worse. The minds eye is not the same as real life soo... don't sue me. :P

@@lisabeck3963 Not only grill. This whole BMW looks like prefired Alfa Romeo Giulia with VW plastics and fake leathers...

are you drunk?

@@kombajn2 no, why?

Not the first time :-(

@Martin there is always a nostalgia factor but something thats ugly won`t pretty because of nostalgia.

Yes, there are numerous decades where cars looked the best in general like all the way from the early 30s to the late 80s/early 90s that was the end of that period.

@Martin No way. The E65 is still as ugly and offensive to look at as it was 20 years ago.

The G80 fits this era of blandness or even ugliness much like the music of today whereas the E30 looks 80s 😎. My son thinks the same and he is 14 so it is not age.

Keep in mind that this M3 also has more power too.

@@HeroManNick132 yeah. 18 more. That should absolutely not overcome 20 years of chassis science.

Better tires maybe, not tested one after another. Maybe gt86 didn't get the best lap at that moment.

@@_shreyash_anand agreed and in developing the E30 more effort was put in to the chassis and the track cars were already kicking 350 BHP and a 9000 rev limit that's a real E30 M3 the ones sold to the public were purely for entry requirements in the championships

The Toyota is probably much heavier than the E30

Yeah with short straights like this there isn't much scope for the G80 to take advantage of the power differential.

The E36 M3 is not that far from the G80 M3 lap-time-wise, so the E46 M3 should squeeze itself between the 2. Can it go in the 35s?

@@thebrelon Probably not, I think you'd have to look to the next V8 powered generation for that.

Hmmm... No. Technology came a long way. It even loses to the E92 GTS (Hockenheim paints a more accurate picture than the Nordschleife).

I was surprised it was faster than the Toyota. Made my day.

You have such good taste

It looks good but its not handmade like the e30 and its Bad balanced. The e36m3 Was planned as 4cylinder. Also the interior has Bad quality. I love the s50

@@andrezesna3920 bad balanced but still every Nurburgring dash cam has at least 1 e36 even not m3 and just 326

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@@romachoz Because the e36 is very cheap. But prices are rising. The M3 Was planned with modified Version of the M42. Watch BMW e36 STW . You will love it.

Ha. I went up to the local BMW dealership once to get a part I ordered and had a nose around the new models. Some younger, mid-20's salesman was walking me through the M2 (the first year models of them). Out of curiosity, from the hype of them being the "new E46", I took it out for a drive and I told him it's just soulless. It was a "nice" car, but it just didn't appeal to me as someone who likes that mechanical rawness. I flipped it back on him asking if he'd ever drove a nice E46 M3. Apparently he'd only moved a few non-M's around the parking area. Gave him the keys to mine for 20 minutes whilst I went to drool over all the fancy Porsches and Astons. When he returned he was like "yeah, I like that a lot".

Having seen a black one in real life... it's MUCH better looking than in pictures.

It’s a minger. It’s impossible to love it. I’ve tried. I’ve thrown towel in. It’s just an ugly car. And the e3O so stanced perfect. Just a sweetheart.

@@zzhughesd i love the looks of the new M3

@@zzhughesd Yes, E30 is a pretty car. 80’s/90’s had some beauties like an Alfa 155 cloverleaf, 205Gti or an Audi S2.

@CT is infant grade content now no its not a bad looking car

And they look even worse in the flesh. The M8 is even worse though. I don't know what they were thinking with these designs. It's like they decided to make no areas of the car match the others. The lines are awful.

Gotta love Black Chops!

@@FieryWings01 little car with a big donk. the heavens align.

yes, all the E30 is lacking is the correct engine. It was designed as a light and nimble car not max horsepower. Mine has an s38 in it, much fun :D

@@williamhardes8081 thats exactly what my e46 compact is!

Exactly! E30 with an LS swap and modern suspension > all

That's true old are gem gold with real Enthusiast feeling True drivers joy No kids gizmo's Real men car

Get over it🤣

Have you ever seen it in real life though? I did not like it at first, but when i saw it in person, it looked much much better.

@@kozzovitch I saw it in person a couple of days ago and all I have to say is the huge nostrils don't look nice at all

Juicy turbo lag

GT86...

@@Intelcroa why? People have done it to Jaguar E-type, Aston Martin db5 and a few other cars. So why not?

Yeah but that's the whole point of these sorts of comparisons....

@CT is infant grade content now I'm not on about quarter miles times or top speeds you plonker. I'm on about technology, (re-read my post) that is in cars now that was not invented 30 years ago. Also look how far cars have come with crash technology to!

No much since the 90s in japan.. you are comparing an NA car with a Turbo. Turbo Sports Cars from the 90s can kick new cars

@@Andre-xf7tp new cars are fat and ugly compared with 90s cars!!

@@paulrobinson3528 I agree but i was saying 90s sports cars have some nice tech too, not too diferent from today in some cars

U will say that in 30 years for G30… every M car i car with character

and considering it's bmw even the old parts will be costly XD so yeah, also the newer bmw looks horrible, it's the grill mostly, looks like squirrel teeth.

@@DaxterL some parts are reasonable...pads are fine, filters are fine, tyres hurt and anything flappy paddle is time for a mortgage.

You could buy two of the new m3's for that e30 nowadays. Stop acting like its the poor man's easily fixable in your garage car anymore

Btw if you didn't know it's not 1920s now tech has evolved its super reliable it's more likely for a mechanical part to fail than some computers. New one is super easy to maintain oil filter is in nice location plus you have obd port so you can plug and it will tell everything. And for clutch in automatic g80 well guess what it doesn't have any, for the manual it's super strong and it will last long time and easy to replace. For e30 clutch easy to replace too. And for sensors e30 has lots of sensors ecu, crank sensor, pressure sensor, throttle position sensor, full electronic injection. And g80 has lots of sensors too.

@@dkdanis1340 anybody claiming that computers and sensors are reliable is simply a salesman. Not in the real world. Computers and sensors are the blight on modern cars. Flappy paddle DSG clutch setups are wasted on a car (they below on a HGV) and frighteningly expensive when they go wrong. Look at the early Golf and Scirocco repair bills...and Audi are even worse.

Two Rogers don't make a right!

i perosnally think from the rear, bmw have done a great job, but the the front grill is a monstrosity

They are meant to be 200+kmh highway monsters that can take turns with confidence. They are no longer cars that are meant for curvy mountain roads or rallyes. It's a shame but the people that can buy this cars are all beyond their twenties

Well not that easy if you can weld metal propperly... It will just fall apart if not taken care of it

Love my E30. Might be old and a bit rattly but it's fun to drive. Cheap to maintain and plenty you can do to it. As someone said in the comments. No one will remember the new one in 30 years time

I'd say it's worth it my dude! Love my e30

Classic bs.. thats what they said 30 years ago..

It's on its way, were already lemmings the game

That sounds pretty boring

Lol that's exactly what they were saying when I grew up in the 80s.

@@gringotom242 were already completely enslaved to a mobile phone, it's not far off is it

M5 E60 xD

I was totally taken off guard by that. I 100% would have sworn a GT86 would be faster round a track. Really impressive.

It's a softer version of a DTM car what do you expect

and soon someone here is Crying "E92 Is ThE BeSt CuZ iT HaS V8"

@@TopiAS06 new cars are great if you want to go fast. But they rarely turn heads like the classics do.

@@andrewcorcoran991 no shit. e30 is car that needs to be driven, 200hp N/A engine that needs reving, in this turbo era, people dont really know how the drive em, they are used to low torq etc. and that car is all about momentum

@driver seems to me that people really dont get that 30yo age gap.. new car is always new car, old is mostly nostaltic, as a guy who has owned 4 different 30`s, i love em, things like not too light streering etc.

I saw a 4 series recently, and I laughed out loud. Who goes into a dealership and spends big on something that ugly?

for me the big grille grown on me. also i think the M3 looks better than the M4 and 4er.

doesn't look that bad in person. It looks terrible in photos

@@crisl9518 Dude, I ve seen way too many of them already, living in Southern Germany. Eye bleach doesn't suffice to eradicate the horror.

@@TheRealFLX81 yeah its definitely not beautiful, just not that bad especially if it has a darker color. The regular 4 series tho, that does not look better in person. Incredibly ugly front end.

How much more could you care less?

@@georgemorley1029 I wouldn’t care if it didn’t even move. I’d keep it in my garden as an ornament

Agreed O and get a GT spec one that's 350hp in a 1200 kg car then see what happens

I used to like BMW, but since they released that new design language, the brand is dead to me.

It's not even the nicest looking BMW - the 2002 Turbo kicks its arse! As does the old 3.0 CSL.

@@drunkenhobo8020 the E9 (3.0 CSL shape) is by far the best looking Bimmer

Yeah, like who thought making the grill that big was a good idea?