Can A GROUP C Car Beat A HYPERCAR? | Le Mans Without Chicanes 

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Group c all day, i like hypercar because of how competitivw it is but those 700-900 hp monsters going 380+ kmh on the mulsanne staright and the sound was just amazing

Hypercars. A new great era.

Group C.

the 963 would still win....

963 would win even earlier

@@RoasterOven yes i mean the gap would be huge, thats the point

Else crash 💀

there’s already a video with the sauber mercedes vs Lmp1

Grandpa always speaks fine words.

​@@The.Drunk-KoalaGrandpa always approved that.

Grandpa is 40 years old

Then throughout the Porsche curves the 963 dominates

And then 963 goes "you're not Porsche enough if you can't beat me at Porsche curves"

​@@aqiimkhairin101963 while chasing 962: *Deep Resonance from Aqours Starts Playing*.

Nope, they never got over 380 ish kph (240 mph) eventhough MAYBE in ideal conditions it could go faster. Also it was the C11, not the C9. And also they did not put turbo pressure too high coz it would damage the engine beyond qualifications. Finally if you think group C were monsters (and yes they were) they were kind of docile. True monsters were CanAm prototypes or end Group C GTP / IMSA cars. The only prototype that truly went over 400 kmh on Mulsanne straight was the WM P88. Guess what happened to the car ? Failed and gave up after a few laps

It was a WM Peugeot that went to 407 km/h on Mulsanne in fact. They did for the sake of doing it.

​@@dodenmanniskan8846 they didn't even finish the race, they broke down a few hours in because the cooling was crap. It was literally just a showoff

@@masterkamen371 exactly. They were all about to do it, a showoff and voila.

​@@dodenmanniskan8846Umi Sonoda's R89C and Setsuna Yuki's Minolta 88C-V both also can reach 416kph on Mulsanne Straight.

The 962 easily beaten the Alpine LMH tho.😅

Yeah I got the lap times horribly wrong, don't know what I did. Sorry!

@@THEWINDTUNNEL probably modern tyres

@@FranciscoRamirezAraya Most likely, yeah

Maybe the top speed ? Is it the vanilla 962 ? I struggle going faster than 360 km/h with it. Nice work with the cameras anyway.

track surface would be much faster and less bumpy now.

The 963 even beautiful

I think it’s impossible for any top class Le Mans car to not be beautiful

Yes even the GTR LM Nismo

​@@michaelgriffiths7937yes even the american caddy on le mans

​@@michaelgriffiths7937the 1995 GTR LM NISMO Race Car?

Thanks man!

Wish the 2000 Falcon XR8 also takes on the Vanwall on Le Mans without chicanes.

name 3 things that arent

@@mionellessi3086 good point

When you watched F1 in the 80s and 90s like me, than you are not interested anymore in that kindergarden….

The real WEC is too, 6 Hours of Imola 2 weeks ago was great

@@mionellessi3086 watching water boil, ice melt, and the temperature changing on a thermometer.

And more importantly miles better tyres and suspension

no shit sherlock

Low drag

What about if it was the 962 C with its bigger spoiler wouldn’t it loose its straight line speed ?

Peugeot 905 Evo 1 would eat them both for breakfast, lighter (750 kg), naturally aspirated engine (no turbo, so no turbo lag), more downforce, more aerodynamically efficient, it would lose on top speed compared to Porsche 962, not sure about Porsche 963.

wasnt there a Group C car after the 962?

@@starmaster488lol9 yeah I think so 956 or something Didn't out it down since I don't know if that's the right model

@@toro4271 yep, thats the one, 956 caused the 962 to bee made.

936 was between 917 and 956. There is even a full onboard lap from 1977 on YT :)

Don't forget the WSC-95 that won LeMans twice whilst Porsche pretended it wasn't a Porsche.

With chicanes like it is now

Or Mazda 787B 😂😂

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-q8-i2qots3U.htmlsi=gogsI6rJfyTYtyaw

Or a jag or a sauber

@@mikelin7that implies everybody else has 200kg of extra ballast.

When Mazda Jaguar or sauber catch up with race wins over Porsche come back ... Smh

That has to be one of the most visceral experiences in simracing!

@@THEWINDTUNNEL Try it on Assetto Corsa, you will see what "visceral in VR" really mean 😉

Thank you!

Right on!

It makes a lot of sense. Both are Porsche's weapons for a golden era of endurance racing

The 962 would have no chance. It needs to pit way before even with that massive fuel tank

lmh/lmdh are fast, they're just dramatically slower compared to lmp1-h

BoP effect .​@@giovannibalsamo6178

The LMP1s are a lot faster, imagine if I restrict the Hypercar...

Three great cars.

The 963 even with over half the fuel tank!

There was closer ==)

What if I tell you it's not even in the top 10... 🙃

Yeah, I wnated a 962 vs 963 fight!

Each car has it's original tyres

@@THEWINDTUNNEL A test with tires that have the same characteristics would be very interesting. Even comparisons between new bikes and those from twenty years ago are made with the same modern tyres. It would be much better to evaluate the real differences between the two cars, without blaming the tires

I think Porsche 962 top speed was 366 km/h in 1993 with chicanes.

With chicanes! www.24h-lemans.com/en/news/how-fast-are-hypercars-57613

@@THEWINDTUNNEL ok maybe not 320, but all I see is 340 like in the race, the top speed was 344 with a slipstream at the beginning of the race (so probably multiple car slipstream), the longer straight wouldn't make a difference, that's where these cars top out

The theoretical qualy times are just that ;)

Sorry: 1971......

Exacto!

Given the 962 in 1985 actually lapped in the 3:15's in qualifying and nowhere near close the 3:01 the video suggests, the 963 would still win, given it lapped Le Mans in 2023 in the 3:24's. I think 9 seconds is more than easy to erase without the chicanes on the Mulsanne or the Dunlop chicane.