The loader specs came from this page: www.deere.com/en/loaders/front-end-loaders-for-tractors/120r-loader/ It says that the 49" (1250mm) bucket was used. I have the 53" (1350mm) bucket.
I’m glad you did this. I’m tired of a couple of people putting these little tractors down about the lift capacity. They need the right tool for the job. This little tractor is a lot of bang for the buck in my opinion.
The pressure relief valve is constant. The difference is the increased volume made by the pump spinning faster and the relief valve not being able to relieve it quick enough.
@@subwarpspeed That's basic hydrulics. Pumps don't create pressure, they create flow. Pressure is made by the resistance to flow ie the lines, fittings valves and whatever the hydrulics are driving. The relief valve sets a max pressure. It is designed to set the pressure at whatever the standard operating rpm is. Which generally is around 540rpm pto speed or full throttle. Because you lessen the flow at idle. You give up some pressure but tractors are also not designed to work at idle.
Love my 1025r. I’ve had it balancing on the front axle with a heavy load and was able to move it very slowly and cautiously. Also when doing my driveway I can lift a full mounding bucket of flex base. A 2 or 3 series would be nice but this 1 series is about all I honestly need.
Finally a video that shows the capability of the loader. Never been able to figure out if it had enough power. I’d be curious to see the difference in the 2025r that has a bit more hydraulic power.
My Ford 80 , 8 hp Single cylinder kohler engine, with homemade loader will lift over 1100 pounds with bucket level at 6 feet high. Like you said though , don't go far or at all If you don't have to. But that's the difference 40 plus years make. The backhoe I made for it is bucket flat at 8 feet deep , dumps at 8 feet high, and swivels 180 degrees. Loader is over ten years old and backhoe is over 6 years old and both have been used quite extensively. From putting my 800 pound safe in my house to building my son a motocross track. I have taken it to many antique tractor shows and demonstrated it often .
The Bucket weight is NOT figured into the JD "PIN" spec for capacity. BW14144 ( your 49 inch bucket) is 154 Lbs. If you back up over a 2X4 with the engine at rated and lift lever pulled, you can also gain some clerance. Great Video!
The bucket is figured into the capacity for the 500mm in front of the bucket. I won't argue the 'PIN' spec,as I find that spec totally irrelevant. No one lifts at the pin.
Thanks for the video hope you're having a great day. Are you guys getting snow today. Thanks for taking time out to show the lift capacity of the John Deere tractor.
Tim, I know these Yanmar engines are well built, but as with all engines, if it is mine, I idle them for a minimum of 5 seconds or so after running at full throttle, even if you only run it at full throttle for 15 seconds. Longer idle time is recommended when working the engine hard. It is a question of normalizing internal temperatures. FYI, I have been a professional gas & diesel mechanic for 50 years and I own a 1026R.
I purchased a used 1025r tlb, same year as Johnny 1, with about 400 hrs on the clock. I felt that the hydraulics were a little anemic. After watching some of your vids it definitely needs work. At idle it will barely lift the empty bucket. I can only get 1850 to 1900 psi on the loader port at full throttle. I will repair or replace the relief valve first. If I end up replacing the pump, I am going to compare it to the pump on a 2025r as it would supply approximately 1 more gpm. FYI - the liquid in the gauge is glycerin to dampen the needle because of fluid pulses coming from the pump. The best part of your channel is that your whole family is involved and supportive.
Great video TTWT... seems as if this subject could be talked about all day long. I really liked that heavy lift tip you shared if needed, along with the safety issues. Very good !!! Oh to jump onto another subject, I played out in Michigan's cool weather this late afternoon for five hours, pushing snow with the back blade, and loader bucket. My 2025R did fine, but wow those "Edge Tamers" worked great on the bucket !!!
Very interesting video. I think I've lifted around 1000lbs with mine too. I'd really like to see you do the same test but with the pallet forks. I think that would be more of what you might see in the real world, pallets of stuff. Like bricks, or masonry blocks
@@TractorTimewithTim list the weight of the bucket ( 154 lbs) as JD lists the lift capacity with , nothing? just the pin and so many inches into thin air? It doesnt detract the weight of the bucket from what I see.
Great video! Good reminder of what the rating really means and the real world application of the rating. I have 42" forks that I use to move industrial 48x 40 wire baskets of firewood. I really feel lift capacity decline with the use of forks, since my lift is so far off the pin. I think the forks weigh 70 lbs each. That's -140 lbs off the working load, from the get go!
I had the front tires on my 1025R filled. I’m glad I did. It adds a significant amount of weight to the front which makes the tractor handle better with the backhoe on and even when I’m running around with only the mower deck mowing the yard. No squatting tires either.
I know firsthand that I can lift a 280 pound 42" fork set and a 960 pound generator just a few inches off the ground, but enough to move it. It involves some trickery, and the bulk of the weight is near the hinge point, but my 1025r does it. Not sure if the 5-gallons of diesel and two batteries are included in the generator specs, but they are also adding to the weight.
Thanks. I was thinking that when I retire and get a tractor, I’ll have to be able to lift my Kubota Lowboy generator with its cart. That works out to about 950 pounds. Looks like I’ll have to go up a size or two.
I doubt the backhoe would have been enough ballast once we started moving with that 1300 lbs. ...but that wasn't the point of the video, so I tried to focus on what was going on in front of the tractor!
@@TractorTimewithTim Agreed. I just always look at the back end when I know there's lots of weight on the front. Just instinctive I guess, haha! A good visual testament to what the loader is capable of handling.
Anyone who is saying that the hydraulics are the same strength at idle and full throttle has obviously never used a tractor...lol I notice obvious difference in lifting ability, same as Tim. Remember that the GPM (gallons per minute) flow rate is probably also higher at full throttle, which is probably contributing to the increase in performance. Good job showing that to everyone Tim. (I bought one of those gages from Ken too.)
IV DONE YARD WORK MOVING DIRT ABOUT 4 HOURS OF THAT AND 1/2 OF A BUCKET OF STONE FOR 2 DAYS . THIS WAS TO BUILD A SHED ON CONCRETE. I TOOK MY TIME BECAUSE OF THE LOAD AND IM FROM THE CITY NOT THE FARM. TKS FOR SHARING VERRY INTERESTERING
WOW Tim great video as usual. That trick was wonderful I could have used it last summer when i was trying to move a paver step. I only needed to move it 4' and just couldn't get it without some assistance. I also agree with what you said regarding moving that much weight as I wouldn't move anymore than absolutely required at a very slow speed. Thanks again for sharing!
RE: 5:07 If you look at the pressure relief valve from an engineering perspective, what it's actually doing is starting to bypass fluid starting at a certain pressure. The amount of fluid bypassed will depend on how much it exceeds that threshold (let's say that threshold is 1900 PSI). So if you're pumping more fluid, at high idle, it will need more pressure across that valve to bypass all the extra hydraulic fluid. So you're right, it's technically not constant, but in engineering we approximate those things as being constant. You would need a PI controller to actually control to a constant pressure. Basically it's a form of error correction that eliminates the steady state error through the integrator. Not needed for this case since your max pressure at high idle isn't exceeding any limitations. Even with that, changes in the loading or speed of the engine would result in momentary deviations from that "constant" pressure, so it would never truly be constant. This actually applies to a lot of things, like the electrical grid frequency, or electrical circuit voltage and current. They say it's constant because it's a close enough approximation.
Very good Tim & Christy! I tried to lift my 2048 rotary cutter (516 lbs spec.) with the forks and 1025R started to raise the rear end. Wound up just picking up on the front and letting the rear wheel take the rest. Loaded tires but with backhoe removed. Like you said, GO SLOW!! Thanks as always very informative.
Tim excellent video!!!! I have been reading and watching videos for two machines JD and Kubota This is the BEST video I’ve seen for explaining the bucket measurements and the lifting capacity Thank you !!!!😊
Very good video Tim! I found that the weak link on the 1025R is the small tires on the front axle. I have ruined two tires using a heavy load in the bucket. The tires didn’t blow out, they just separated the rubber from the cords and both times I ended up with bubbled up sidewalls. Just a little FYI. Thanks for the videos.
As an interesting aside, I would postulate that the reason the relief valve appears to open in different places at different engine speeds (read: pump flow rates) has nothing to do with the pressure and everything to do with the flow. When the engine speed is lower, the pump flow is lower, and when the engine speed is higher the pump flow is higher. When the relief valve opens, an orifice is created for fluid to flow through. That orifice is smaller than the line feeding it, so the outlet side will experience a pressure drop and a flow increase, and the inlet side will experience a flow drop and a slight pressure increase. In shorter words, at higher flow rates the relief valve can't "relieve fast enough". You may be able to test this on your machine with a second pressure gauge by teeing into the relief valve outlet. However, just looking at the parts catalog I cannot tell if there is a way to get to the relief valve outlet or not. It may be worth looking into as a fun experiment. You can also do the same experiment with flow meters, just to prove the relationship of flow and pressure across an orifice.
Ive helped pick up a corner of a car with my JD 520 and 45w loader. At a demo derby a car slipped of its decking boards on a trl. I picked while a few guys rocked the car while another tried to get a board under the tire. When i was 16 the nieghbor was building there house and the truss delivery semi truck got stuck while unloading. The neighbor had used his oliver super 60? or something like ( looks like a ford 800 series) that he said could pull a 3 bottom plow to help the semi in a little bit but broke a previous repaired drawbar mount. I rode my bike and got dad and he came over with the 520 and she dug down a ft and dad repositioned and pulled again and dug about a ft again and got the trk moving again. Yes a down slope yes the trk was helping but the 520 last time i had her on the pony brake i was doing 25-33 hp with and unknown torque rating with the tractor wieghing 6000 lbs ish freed a 40000 lb trk yet the all girl doesnt like taking my flatbed on the road. I hauled a shed and a shelter and 3 bottom plow on my trl. The trl and tractor with or without the plow wieght 13000 (dont remember if had plow on trl for trip when i scaled it all) the tractor slowed down to half speed pulling the worst hill on my trip. You can push your limits but to what extend
It's really quite amazing what these "little things" can do ... However, as you already mentioned it's an intense amount of stress to the components involved (front axle, loader, bucket, ...) so I completely agree it should be done as an exception. However, one thing I want to mention : At least on the 2R the pressure relief valve is (I guess just a single one here for cost reasons) between the pump and the SCV (selective control valve), as it appears from seeing your "trick" to increase lift capacity it's the same on the 1R. Below the line it means that the parts are protected by the pressure relief valve as long as it's directly pressurized. If you roll the bucket down to lift the loader arms the pressure in the arm lift cylinders drops below the relief value and the loader arm is being raised. If you close the SCV by putting it back to the middle position for that function it just seals (actually it's not really a 100%, all those control valves will have a little internal leakage) the pressure between the valve and the cylinder and by curling back the bucket it will raise above the limit value. Thus it put's more stress to any component involved than planned by the manufacturer ... The front axle could fail by breaking, tires, hoses, control valve, ... So even if there is still some "extra capacity" in all components be careful not to harm yourself or anyone else if you work at or beyond the designed limits of the machine. Note : The increase in pressure between low and high engine RPM is because of the higher flow created by the (gear) pump combined with the viscosity of the used fluid. In other words, with low viscosity oil/cold oil you might see higher pressure compared to warm/high viscosity oil. Downside of forced high flow is cavitation and therefore damage to the components. Basically the same as if you would change the relief pressure on the pressure relief valve (they are adjustable and it's just turning a screw/nut - so be sure you DON'T do it) ... Pressure in the end is a side effect on restricted flow, that's why there is a need of a protection against over pressure (aka presusre relief valve), especially on gear pumps as the pressure would raise to a point where the pump destroys itself (if the engine is not stalled before). Extra Info (text already gets way too long ... :) ) : For example on way more expensive machines, I own a little Takeuchi TB016, the pressure relief valve is between the cylinder and the valve, so the mentioned "trick" does not really work (actually it does a bit but within limits). To be precise there are two pressure relief valves, one between the pump and the control valve(s) and one for critical hydraulic circuits (like the boom cylinder) between the actuator and the valve. The valve protecting the actuator has a slightly higher relief value than the one for the pump. So it's a bit working but not really far as the boom will be automatically lowered if you get to a critical load situation. For larger equipment and different brands it might be different, actually it is at least if it's legal (at least here in Germany) for lifting as it has a self locking and leakage free valve on the critical cylinders that will be automatically unlocked if you pressurize it. You can really see those lock valves from the outside as they are on the cylinders, same on hydraulic 3 point hitch top links. If the hoses attach directly to the cylinders hydraulic ports -> no lock valve, if they attach to some block on the cylinder from where tubes lead to the cylinders port you'll have those locking valves.
@ 9:27 Maybe the "magical 59 inch rating" has to do with trailer height, for unloading a tractor trailer combo that delivers goods to your site? We're watching your video to help us figure out how much freight we can unload from a trailer, as we will be hopefully receiving delivery here, at our home, as opposed to dock pickup at the freight company.
Great information. I have a 2210 with a very similar lift capacity so all good but like you said gotta be very careful moving with heavy weight on a little tractor. I love my 2210. Great little helper.
A similar tip i do when im loading a bigger bucket on a bigger tractor, is if i cant lift it higher i tip forward ever so slightly then crowd it back quickly and lift and the same time, the momentum of it curling back will allow you to lift higher. Do that a few times and you can get high enough to tip into a trailer or something, although it can get a bit sketchy when up that high!
Also with the gauge that was a prime example and learning lesson on why you NEVER step under a bucket or implement that is raised with hydraulics.. at some point, they come back down. many people have died due to being crushed. Been meaning to ask.. what camera are you all using? I am watching in your full 4K right now and it has a great picture... need a new camera myself.
Not much difference then the route I was gonna go which is a loader on a John deere 318. Appreciate the very well thought out testing and info on these 1 series tractors
Tim, Thanks for the videos. It cleared up all my questions about the lift capacity. I have 5X6 round bales that I need to move around to the pasture and it's only 300 feet away. They weigh around 1200 lbs. I am thinking about getting a quick attach spear and use. Your trick about curl and lift was genius. Do you think I should be able to move them going very slow as I only need to lift them a bit off the ground to move. Thanks
Excellent demo. I have a 3046 rated at 1600 pounds. Of course in real world working applications it doesn’t. And it gets sketchy moving higher weights especially on my construction site as nothing is level. I just do what you said, like BBQ, low and slow.
Its an impressive tractor for sure. It's somewhat affordable for the guy with a few acres but doesn't need a full blown cabbed tractor. For me, it works great for moving snow when it piles in 8 foot drifts.
Thank you for a practical and clear answer to what I can expect from my new tractor, thus video reinforces my purchase and should fill my needs and expectations
perfect timing. just getting ready tomorrow to fill my tires w/ air and was going to put 22psi in the front. didn't even think about needing more with the loader till I saw this video. And so, thank you ! Now my question is...does the back tires need more as well? think the book says 20psi for those (turf tires).
As I'm looking to buy a John Deere of my own this is exactly the kind of thing I was wondering on the lift capacity. if I would be able to move stuff heavier than 500 lbs in my shop or driveway. Thanks for the video! I hope you do a similar video on the 3pt!
I've been a Heavy Equipment Operator 32 yrs. When John Deere states at Pin. What they are referring to is everything beyond the pin is considered part of the load, Meaning the quick attachment weight has to be added to the load unless specified in lift chart. Just saying
Hi Tim, I saw your video at Messick's and have been watching some of your other videos, good stuff. 1025R's are awesome tractors, I owned for several years and did a lot of work with it. I only got rid of it because I wanted to upgrade to a cab tractor (factory cab with A/C), so I went to a B2650 cab like the one you looked at. In your search for a larger tractor I recommend going with a cab, you won't regret it. It will take me awhile to catch up on all your videos, they seem very informative. Oh, and I subscribed.
Welcome! Thanks for joining us. We definitely need a second larger tractor. While a cab would be nice for some of our projects (mowing), I’m afraid it will interfere with our ‘interactive’ video approach. That is why we are skittish.
Your the "Man" the videos are great and I always learn something this time being adding air to the front tires with the loader attached. I must have missed that somewhere in the manuals.
My biggest complaint with mine is that the front end easily lifts off the ground when I’m digging or scraping with it. Also, the terf tires are great for moving, which we do a lot of, but nearly useless for cleaning up the barn yard
Good info Tim. I have maxed my 1025r out on several occasions with pallets of flat rock. Sometimes you have to be creative. Stay safe and warm out there.
Yes, the easiest way to be creative is to stack all the items on the 'loader side' of the pallet. Weight out on the end of the pallet will kill the capacity. Put the heavy stuff as close to 'the pin' as possible, right?
Great video Tim and Christy. Enjoyed it this morning while drinking my coffee. You kept adding weights I got to where I could hardly lift my coffee it was getting heavy. Lol Love you guys!!
Like you demonstrated, they will lift far more than their “rated” for if your the definition of lift is anything off the ground. It’s just a matter of how much wear and tear you’re willing to put on your equipment lol. We’ve lifted the back up a pickup truck an inch or so off the ground with a similar sized Kubota tractor. Pretty impressive, but not recommended.
the doc said that the 1250mm (49" bucket) was used for the spec: www.deere.com/en/loaders/front-end-loaders-for-tractors/120r-loader/ "Bucket used: 1250mm"
@@TractorTimewithTim That's the bucket used for the loader, not the lift spec. Lift spec is all based upon rated numbers and a whole bunch of math. They arbitrarily use a a distance 500mm ahead of the pivot. FWIW- I was at auction once and they had those collectible trucks and tractors. I heard this one guy pipe up. Hey, look this one here is One of Five Hundred. He truly thought it was #1 of 500 built. Details, details, detail.
Agree with Tim here. It states a lot about the tractor that was used for the measurement and then the bucket. Tim has a wider bucket, considering that then the numbers are with margin of error in this emperic test. Otherwise it would mean that JD are grossly underrating the capacity. Bigger loaders with general specs for agricultural tractors I guess are calculated given a hydraulic pressure and with no bucket started it is to subtracted from the rated capacity. But JD seems to have presented the real world numbers.
@@TractorTimewithTim Tim, it's a play on words. That is the loader bucket provided for the loader, the only one, unless you want it and something different. It's the bucket used for that model loader, for that model tractor. Otherwise they would say specifically that the loader lift specs include the bucket. Not the pin, not 500mm ahead of the pin. I'm mobile now, otherwise I'd provide a link. This is a common marketing confusion among manufacturers. This is why nobody cares about anything other than lifting point at the pin whenever buying equipment.
Off subject but remember to lift with your legs not you back. I laying here watching your video after having back surgery last week. Just saying. Great video.
Fun video. I can't believe you risked your marital bliss by asking your wife to give her weight. I hear on the weather channel that temps out your way are getting really low. Maybe you should do your next video from inside the shop. When we had to work in an unheated building, we used a propane heater to take the chill off. Do you have something like that?
This rings true. Same with truck hauling. When we got back into camping hauling our first fifth wheel rv. The ram 2500 pulled it fine even with over load springs she would ungelate or what I call hulla dance made it very uncomfortable 🥵 being in a seven hour truck roller coaster so we traded up to a one ton3500 haven’t looked back. Find your trucks max tow weight will it be rock steady or bounce going down the road.
Tim, I have a 2013 1025R with an H120 loader and I notice that when the bucket has a load, it leaks down when I want to tilt back before actually starts tilting back. I have been told that a re-generative valve will solve this issue. Your thoughts on the matter. and since you have a newer model, did they address the issue. fill the bucket or forks with weight on it. Then try to tilt up slowly, mine actually goes down until I apply more hydraulic pressure.
Tim- just a quick heads up about some RU-vid issues. I’ve been subscribed to your channel as well as some other similar ones and just noticed today that all of a sudden I was no longer subscribed to some of my favorite channels. I know this has been a problem with some people / youtubers but it was the first time I’ve personally experienced being unsubscribed. Next video you might want to let people know to double check
I believe the weight of the bucket is included in the lift capacity, so you have to add the weight of the bucket to your weights. If you use a set a forks, that weight will change from one fork set to another.
Incorrect on the weight of the bucket. We checked the specs . Heavier forks will reduce the capacity, of course, and in many cases by a meaningful amount!
Tractor Time with Tim - yeah I have a 1026R and I was able to add over 100 lbs of lift by getting lighter fork blades. Forks are really the only time I’ve ever had lift issues. The bucket can normally lift any normal material you can fit in it, like dirt or gravel.
Hi Tim Great video. I have a 1025R (2014, a twin of old Johnny 240 hrs) with a 120H FEL I've often wondered what its actual capabilities were. I don't know if there are a great deal of capability difference between the 120R and the 120H but I'm impressed. .
BamaGreen1025r my 1025 has just hit the 50 hr. mark, and I am loving it...The little Tractor has always went ,above and beyond, what i expected when I bought it.I really thought it was maybe a glorified lawnmower...lol, I was badly fooled, Moving Dirt, brush hogging, sewer lines, drainage ditches..cleaning land that hadn't been touched in 40 years...It has done more than I ever expected. Of course, with the help TTWT..love what y'all do...great videos, that explains the in's and out's of everyday use ... but i'm still wondering if some kind of cooking spray would help this Alabama Red Clay, slide out of a back hoe bucket.....no where but Bama...."Roll Tide".....
Thanks for watching Dave. I'm convinced the cooking oil for backhoe buckets thing is totally bunk. ...but can't say that in a video for fear of retribution. :-)
I was most impressed with how stable the tractor was at maximum load ...I nearly tipped my tractor with that test. I was on a gravel drive which was not the best situation.
We got about same amount of snow wayyyy up here. How was your hydraulic fluid level during this test? Learned something about the curl and lift. Great video. Thanks. :-)
All equipment has more curling power in the bucket than any other function. Most experienced operators learn this quickly. Good you let new operators know.
Like you say, it is typically learned quickly. However, new operators might not figure it out without a little help. So, I thought it interesting to demonstrate. In this case, it gave me 200lbs. ...and I suspect more, as it had no trouble curling that load.
My brother in law was using my tractor to lift a stump, he failed miserably, working at it for two hours. I got not the tractor and picked it up instantly using the curl trick. He just looked on in amazement. I hadn't even thought about what I was doing, after a while, it just comes naturally.
That is plenty of weight and I don't want to try carrying that much on my 3032E tractor. Your tractor did a nice job of lifting the weights you first put on it and lifted the load up fairly high, but not high enough to put a load that size in a pickup or larger truck.
I’ve noticed with my 1025 if you leave the bucket rolled back until you get it to max height then tip forward you can lift more weight higher but that’s ultimately just splitting hairs I suppose
Yes, we mentioned that in the video...maybe not as clearly as you did. Anyway, it makes sense as the load would be closer to the pin with the bucket curled. Thanks for stating that clearly!
Thanks for another great video Tim. John Deere rates their lift capacity with a pin on bucket. The Quick Change mechanism adds a few pounds so the spec'd values would be lower with it. I agree with you that you shouldn't push these tractors to their limits. I'm glad that mine can't lift heavy weights to the maximum. Very easy to have it fall over on soft or irregular ground. I believe I saw a RU-vid video where a gentleman did just that.
First. Always wanted to do that. How about a video showing what equipment you use to make your videos? Or have you already done that and I just missed it.
So it will lift about 14 Katriel's or 4 of me, or 7 Katriels and two of me if you choose to look at it that way. :-) They used to give a measurement on loaders of "break out force". Which meant how much it would jerk off of the ground without necessarily carrying at full height. I doubt it is a coincidence that those tractors will just lift a round bale of hay which average about 1200 lbs. usually the limit of tractor loaders is whenever it starts to lift the rear end off the ground. I usually keep a round bale or my big box blade on the rear to counter balance and add traction in mud.