Can Anything Replace Twitter? 

What a waste of $44billion Could have down an almost endless list of positive things with that

Hasn’t Threads already replaced it?

Whimsu my beloved

havent finished the video, but please have a mastodon mention. lets see

Thank you for this interesting discussion video!

No I can't imagine that

I'd like to think🎉

@shigermuleye5203 dinosaurs are even easier to control than hogs so itd be fine

Unlikely as it would be difficult to recreate dinosaurs, especially something as large as a sauropodomorph 🤓

Spending $44m on that would've produced the same result... Jack sh*t lol

Same. Never had Twitter. Deleted IG. Life is happier. Understanding the psychology of social media helped. Now I need to understand psychology of YT incase I need to curb it too lol

twitter isn't the issue its addiction to social media in general. stay agressively online on discord, reddit, youtube, twitter, whatever, its all the same get outside and enjoy the real world and find a belief system/religion to help you find your place and moderate your beliefs.

Ironically Reddit has pretty much pulled a Digg. The site is so trash now that if you learn to recognize patterns, the bots are blatant, which calls into question how popular it really is and if they're lying about their active user counts.

Threads is dead lmfao mark Zuckerberg even stopped posting on it 😂😂 all the celebrities that left Twitter for it in protest are already back on Twitter because they can't make rage baiting content in an echo chamber site like threads

dont forget myspace

True! We had a same thing going on in the Netherlands when Facebook came to the forefront (we had a Dutch social media platform called: Hyves) overzicht everyone packed their stuff and moved to Facebook 🤓😅

This has less to do with tech and more to do with Elon's political leaning. The Left goes berserk as soon as it loses control.

That itself is a massive issue too tho

I fucking hate RU-vid but it’s the best we get for the moment

​@@theonebman7581depends what you watch. I dunno about other people but If I didn't watch videos online my general knowledge would be many times smaller

@@kotzpennerExactly

Honestly only youtube is replaceable.

I was wondering the same thing! It doesn’t seem like much of an improvement?

Yeah but they're all just as awful.

​@@TheRealHaloLover Yes and we have a choice not to just choose the lesser evil and actually invest in a good choice.

I don't trust Facebook. I trust Elon Musk significantly less. Anyone who puts him as "more trustworthy" than Facebook, a company that at least _tries_ sometimes, is an idiot. I'm not saying trust Facebook, read my first sentence. I'm saying he's less trustworthy, and the sooner people realize it, the sooner the world will start to heal from the toxic trash he's been pumping out for years.

Yes. What is wrong with these people?!? We already have an alternative to Twitter (and Facebook) years before Musk's takeover. Minds. When are you guys going to come over there already?

I mean it would still cost hefty amount of money just to keep it running in read only. Then they will force you to pay just to read past posts without new content, and nobody would pay just for tha

All of my pictures and funny jokes... gone 😭

That’s why we have things like the Wayback Machine, courtesy of the Internet Archive

This is just getting more and more like Twilight Zone all over again...

@@michaelrizka I would pay for that. Guaranteeing my continued access to twitter's backlog of content, even after the site dies would be a godsend to me given the entire reason I use twitter is to archive art. The pure anxiety I experience every hour of every day knowing the content could disappear forever at any time, it's destroying my mental health.

Born just in time for a cage fight with Mark Zuckerberg 🥊

@@internet_userr fight got canned. Musk Mom got involved saying they shouldnt fight

breaking bad was 15 years ago

how tf are you here

Most of earth hasn’t been explored. It’s just underwater.

There used to be forums for every subject and group but now we just have the same couple of social medias. Reddit itself is a forum but it's too broad with no real community to hold it together apart from the seperate subreddits so it's barely a forum, not to mention that posting onto reddit doesn't have forum-like posting.

Network effect. The most users a social media site has, the more attractive it is - no-one wants to join a site where they have no friends already on the platform. So any large site grows larger, any small site is doomed to fail even if it is better in other ways. There's only room for a couple of big players within each market area, though which dominates does vary. Russia's social media is dominated by VK. China only has WeChat and Sina, because they blocked access to everything else.

@@anopirsten7565 There still *are* forums for a great many topics. It's just that reddit (and now somewhat discord) deincentivizes people to go searching for them. I'm part of quite a few of them, even for more general discussion beyond a specific focus, and usually find the community far better than reddit. The forum experience is alive and well, and even growing on quite a few of them. Find one you like and hop on it!

It's also just insane to think of how relatively new it is. MySpace is considered the "ganddad" of social media, and people who were born when it was founded are still using fake ideas to go to bars in the US. Facebook has been accused and praised for turning the tide of elections for what feels like forever, and it wouldn't even be old enough to vote, if it were a person

this is why the fediverse (the thing that Mastodon servers are a part of) is such a big deal. only if services are interoperable, there is proper competition between them. you can leave an instance that's shitty (either because of the software or the policies) and join another one without losing all your contacts. it's also complete nonsense that mastodon just popped up when Twitter was faltering and then poofed and went away. it's still there, has been since 2016, and it's a second generation fediverse service. i was around for the first generation (identi.ca) in 2009.

Return to Tumblr

@@falconeshield I started using Tumblr recently, and it's fun. Though it feels like a completely different beast from Twitter, so some people won't like that.

Everyone hates artists.

​​​@@MrJimheerenY'all do know that Tumblr went the way of Myspace over half a decade ago by now right? Look up any well known artist's old page, it will 404 on you. As it should, fuck that website and their dumbass policies. And insane moderator decisions

​@@MrJimheerenr34

"I'm a Twitter addict" You okay my guy?

​@@CountGremlinI wouldn't trust a thing he says

​@@internet_userr Nah, whatever they say is honestly true, at least for art...

Every person I talk about Twitter with is always complaining how awful the algorithm is and I'm just like "idk man have you seen these drawings? Crazy"

As someone that uses twitter primarily for looking at art, yeah, that's about it. Though I didn't try threads and never will, even if it kills twitter, there isn't another site as of now that fills the niche twitter does. Specially for NSFW content.

even tumblr didn't truly die. some people stayed around and quite a few went back to it when twitter started to wobble a bit.

Imgur did a Tumblr recently, no more NSFW pics lol

You’re hilarious. People and most IMPORTANTLY investors and advertisers are leaving. If Twitter doesn’t make money, it won’t stay up.

You're right, but that said, I do know more and more people who have stopped using it. I haven't gone to it in weeks, in large part because I can get all the same value other ways with less annoyance. Nothing is forever, and accelerating a company's decline is never a wise move.

GAB is the best site - The only one with free speech. You can talk freely about JEWS.

as an owner of a small fediverse instance, i honestly enjoy being on it than i ever enjoyed being on twitter. not sure if its just because of the users, or what kind of posts get shared. i do notice theres a lot less controversy and rageposting though

Yeah, I find it weird that he uses Mastodon as an example of a "dead" platform. Sounds like he looked at it once about a year ago when there was almost no one on, and hasn't looked at it since. Also, no discussion of ActivityPub in this video at all. Really not getting "the big picture" or a good understanding of social media and the future of social media in this video. It's a very shallow analysis, from the perspective of someone with a "following". Clearly he is unaware of ActivityPub, or ignoring it entirely for some unknown reason. One of the big things federated platforms can do is import/export your follows/followers, so especially with Mastodon, the problem of "losing your following" just doesn't really exist. It's only a problem for people who feel like their following on a platform like Twitter has any meaning at all, as if 90% of those follows aren't just bots anyway. 10,000 followers on Twitter, you probably only have a couple hundred real people that follow you at most, even fewer who will actively engage with your posts still. So with 10,000 followers, you might have just 10 regular users that interact with your stuff. I mean, look at youtube videos, only about 1-2% of viewers leave comments or a like/dislike. On Fedi, they don't flood big creators/influencers with fake follows just to make it look like you are growing, you have to actually put in effort to make your posts visible and that starts by finding a good community instance. Signing up on mastodon social is probably not going to be the best way to grow your following on fedi. It's also this idea that, they don't want to even spend any time trying to grow a following on any new platforms. Twitter is already a dead platform. Just because people post doesn't make it any less unviable. Not only is the brand dead, but Elon has not made any progress on improving the financial situation with the platform, in fact, making it worse. I don't doubt the website will still be up in 5+ years, I mean look at MySpace but no one in their right mind is saying that MySpace isn't a dead social media platform... because it is, and it died over 10 years ago.

The advantage is also a disadvantage. There's no manipulative algorithm to push people's emotional buttons and keep them engaged, but that also means it's going to have lower retention. The manipulation works.

I'm not reading that

tl;dr; ActivityPub/Masotodon are gonna win in the long run. It's just a matter of the general population feeling like going there after being burnt by monopolies for the 50th time.

i would argue it wouldn't be a good thing if it did fall. the political people would still exist and would just move elsewhere (probably to reddit or some similar new site) not solving the problem of political BS, and then art people who enjoy the good algorithm for art and stuff would be left without a good alternative. DeviantArt has a bad algorithm giving you weird AF fetish stuff even on a SFW account settings, and where else really works as an art hub with a big community? nothing but NSFW sites and e621 type places.

Damn no way

People will forget eventually

Yeah I don’t see gen alpha using it.

Twitter will have to evolve to virtual reality for it to survive

this is the biggest reason why i have a lurker account.

Bruh. Are you still friends after that?

​@@viridianacortes9642 *best* friends even!

​@@sovietunion7643wtf is lurker💀💀💀

I wish I had. I only joined about a month before Musk took over. I've been told that the atmosphere on Twitter used to less toxic.

Exactly. I want low-tech socializing to come back in a big way-and not just among those over 40. Social media just accelerated an anti-community trend that has existed for decades ( *Bowling Alone* pointed it out back in 2000).

Good riddance to twatter.

Twitter is making real life like 4chan.

the fediverse is going to kill twitter, the fediverses potential is game changing just waiting on Threads and tumbler to give that big push to make it a reality

@@planescaped yeah, kinda *people proceeding to glue themselves to trucks, or streets, or something else which is annoying

Daily Motion?

Maybe tiktok, but YT will always be around.

Qibi

Maybe rumble if they play their cards right

Obviously KissCartoon

I signed up for twitter several years ago, and within 5 minutes - before I had even made a single tweet - I got a message saying I was banned. I took it as a sign from God and never went back.

@@mallninja9805That's a real comedy right there

Did they give you a reason for banning you? Seems very odd they would do that if you haven't even tweeted.@@mallninja9805

It does very well seem like the people who've had the worst experience with twitter didn't really know how to actually use it

bro, if there's no alternative, then people will just stick with twitter, while the investors still making money off their bs, it shouldn't be explained to you

Seconded, staying off social media is great. But main reason for twitter thriving is most people get their news first on twitter. And the trending is a voice to achieve something, which has in many instances

It was a fire by design. The format of the site is expressly intended to make in-depth conversation impossible. It's not a site for discussion - you can't have a discussion there. The post length is kept deliberately too short for that, and there's no proper threading mechanism. It's a site for throwing out a couple of sentences of witty comment and getting approval from people who like the sound of it.

@@vylbird8014 Yup, very well said. It's meant for short hot takes, not actual opinion or debate. When I was on the site, I _always_ ended up having to do 2 tweets when I replied to people due to the character limit. Here's my rule: large problems require nuanced views, and if you have a very nuanced view of a large problem, then it's impossible to express it in 280 characters or less. (Which is an ironic rule, since it's 155 characters.)

@@ratedr7845 bro my second sentence is "we don't need an alternative". People need to change their mindset. You don't need an alternative for everything. If you for example quit your gym membership, you're not always looking for the next sport to do. Sometimes people just stop doing things. It's normal. And yeah.. if you have an alternative you give your money to a less shitty investor. There's plenty of things to do that give people joy. Twitter isn't that. So why bother?

I think the fediverse as a whole could benefit if it embraced this message. Sites like Lemmy or pixefed could do well not to be Reddit or instagram replacements, but their own unique thing that takes inspiration from sites they’re similar too. Firefish and Misskey flavored markup (MFM) based instances (and similar!) as a whole really run with the idea that they’re something unique and from that we get a lot of unique features (cat mode anyone? XD)

The fact that it's open source does not mean it isn't made to be a Twitter competitor. The feature set is so similar. Although I like that it doesn't actively try to addict me, or sell my info, it's still got the really terrible Twitter-esque layout that makes it just horrible to use for anything except surface level political nonsense or just self-promotion. I've been thinking about this a lot, and I actually think that early days desktop Facebook got a lot of things right. When it first started, it was all about your friends and what they were posting. There were no ads in the feed itself, and the focus was on messaging, groups and the feed. Do you remember when people used to actually post what they were thinking, rather than just endless spammy articles or the most basic political shit?

@@alexwr I think a better word would be alternative to Twitter. Your're right it has a feature set is similar feature set, but I think the differences are more important. The core features are similar, but the core ideas/goals couldn't be more different.

What 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 Where will twitter users Migrate to now? Get it? Twitter? Birds? Migrate? No? One asked?

I honestly don't understand what this means

@@makito106 The "Bluesky becomes the Tumblr to Twitter's Reddit" is bugging me a lot. That in particular is very confusing for me.

@@makito106 When Digg got overtaken by Reddit back in the day, a lot of its users migrated to Tumblr. Tumblr is often the nicer, more welcoming social media site, which is likely what Bluesky is going to be. Twitter becomes Myspace (after the rise of Facebook) in that it's still alive, but no one relevant goes there. You can still go to Myspace to this day, but does anybody do it that's important or relevant? No.

@@ZelphTheWebmancer Glad I wasn't the only one

There's also the aspect of federation. It'll take time, but platforms like mastodon (and firefish, and lemmy, and pixelfed...) which inter-operate via activitypub, bring with them the possibility that if we can get over that threshold of getting people onto the fediverse, we'll never have to deal with the "we wont leave for something better because this is where the people we want to interact with are" problem ever again. New platforms can get phased in, user by user, with much less friction in-between.

Can you call out "the chosen ones" on there?

​@@JamesSmith-qs4hx who are those?

@@quazar-omega The Christ killers.

I left. Letting scammers and trolls buy influence with the blue check was what killed it for me. I may pop back in if I'm ever curious what fascists think about the news of the day, but lets be honest, there aren't many surprises coming from that crowd.

​@@RobertDraneare the fascists in the room with us now?

@@Distress. did they taste good?

Those things have been messed with though. I'd say the biggest mistep was the rate limits and pay walling features. People would rather just open another app that let's them scroll for hours uninterrupted such as Instagram or tiktok

@@RobertDrane And thus, nothing of value was lost. _Not so fun when we are in charge, huh goober?_

1. No. 2. More likely bankruptcy 3. Saudi-Arabia, at any time, has 10 megaprojects going that will fail and fizzle out with little to no return. The Jeddah tower, the cube, the line, the financial city, the war in Yemen/Syria/Libya, Hyperloop/flying cars/high speed trains, non-religious tourism, trying to get FIFA/WWE/NBA/F1 Grand Prix, giant mall-hotel in Mecca etc etc

​@@a.bastianwiik5592They're desperately trying to become the tourist capital of the world as oil demand keeps getting smaller and smaller

Saudi oligarchs are shareholders not lenders

Yes Tumblr is a whole lot nicer now then it was back than, *but* I've noticed more rude people being angry and complaining and trying to start fights recently, now that a lot of people moved to Tumblr from Twitter. And most of those angry complainers tend to be newer blogs with hardly anything on it. Now of course those people could be long time users who keep getting their accounts deleted, but I doubt all of them are.

Tbh the weird tribalism around "moving" between platforms was always weird to me. I've been using Tumblr for 11 years and had a Twitter since 2007, I've used both on an off all that time. Stopped using Facebook altogether (and deleted) not long after Cambridge Analytica. Now stopped using Twitter. Maybe I'm just getting older but the internet has always been ever changing to me, sticking to one singular social media platform and making it a personality trait is utterly bizarre. I agree on Tumblr though it's the one thing I still use frequently as I've curated who I follow so its mostly just funny shit with some minor political stuff. But if Tumblr died tomorrow I wouldn't really care, there's more to life than social media.

IIRC, first there was a move from DA to tumblr once the site took off. Then everyone left tumblr after the NSFW mass flagging to Twitter. Now it comes full circle where everyone on DA and Twitter are moving to Tumblr.

Same. I've started archiving anything I care about since it's the only way that I can guarantee I'll be able to access it in the future. Movies, TV, music, ebooks, RU-vid channels, subreddits, etc.

So a forum?

You're just gonna jinx it smh

They were called forums and they were great. Then everyone went to Reddit for that, people want convenience and now only go to like 5 or 6 websites when 20 years ago they used to go to more of them. That won't change even though it should.

@@poonoo87 essentially yes. It's the natural order of many things to go in these looping circles of evolution.

so its just going to become reddit or maybe 4chan not exactly a step up

i mean if you don't want the political idiots to just go elsewhere and have them flood reddit/4chan/elsewhere, than yes. idiots don't go away with websites they just kind of move

With the way Musk is handling it, I think we do.

I'm also holding on to Threads, most toxic apes are staying on Twitter, so I don't really mind the lack of content on Threads for now. Quality > Quantity.

I'm wondering why he kept saying Threads isn't a replacement; because of immediate lack of volume? Literally no argument, just a claim. I was really hoping for any kind of solid argument with that.

reddit communities trying to decide whether to turn into a toxic wasteland or die out completely for real though i notice the only subreddits that don't slowly degrade into either being banned, becoming political echo chambers or a million other calamities is gaming/tech subs. having another auxiliary community to back up a sub into relavance and out of stagnation really helps i guess.

That would be the best possible outcome.

Except I don't really know many people who use twitter. None of my friends nearly 30, none of my early 20's friends, no one. Scratch that, I know exactly 3 people who use twitter, and they're all furries who are pretty open about the fact that they use it for porn. Two of them have also expressed interest in switching to blue sky, but mentioned they needed an invite code. I barely use youtube, and scroll through reddit once or twice a week, and have snapchat for keeping in touch with a couple of people. I dont know how people put this much effort into "needing" social media

@@AnArmoredMarch it becomes a "need" when you get sucked up into it which you and the people you know havent it can kinda be an actual need once you become a personality online and you want to promote yourself or whatever else

@@user-bkey becoming an online personality isnt inevitable, nor does it make money on most sites. People will do just about anything to justify having something small like 1-10k followers lol. Sorry, you ain't shit, now fuck off and come have a beer with the rest of the world instead of getting rage baited 24/7. It isnt important, and it never will be. Twitter is a shitty early warning system, a shitty form of social media, a shitty way to stay in touch with people's actual lives, and probably the least fun way to destroy your mental health

i could see twitter changing into more of an art app as its really best for that. its algorithm is better than deviantart's, its got a ok sized follower base, and its quick scrolling is great for getting through what you don't want to see and liking/saving what you do. literally where else does art stuff as good as twitter without being really disgusting at times???

It's so perfect though 😂

I left Twitter way before like you did, but if x works it might be an interesting time to come back.

@@slob5041 I mean, I have no intention of returning to X in its current form. If Musk sells the company and/or reintroduces content moderation, and the site is demonstrably proven to be less toxic, then maybe.

I hope you enjoy your life cultist

Musk openly unbanned a conservative conspiracy theorist user that posted child porn. The site isn’t doing well at all.

No

which is really sad to me because twitter is so garbage for viewing art, all you can do is just scroll through an artists media tab which will be filled with a bunch of other bullshit also a community center for artists doesnt sound bad..

@@user-bkey a community center for artists isn't actually bad but as a means of being a "twitter killer" it sucks dick. A twitter killer needs to function like twitter and do better and yea, for being decent for artists in terms of reach, sociability, and algorithm, its worse for artists in really necessary QoL areas like a functioning gallery and folder options

@@user-bkey i don't know what you are talking about its great for art. sure there are some political stuff on the side but i find the algorithm (even post elon) works well). maybe i just am used to scrolling because i started with deviantart (which requires far more scrolling and looking through weird stuff than twitter) so my norm for dealing with random junk is higher.

yep, the only other alternative is deviantart, which has a penchant for showing weird fetish stuff even on SFW account settings, DA is sorta weird like that. twitter will survive in some capacity as long as it doesn't actively discourage artists (both normal and NSFW types) from staying.

let's be real. the only time it was bearable was in its earlier days before self-righteous headhunts and grifter crusades

good job man