I love how Pastor Joel is so versed in Church history and can relay the realities of time-tested and Bible-based orthodoxy for the Christian. Many modern teachings in 'churches' are not historically, or Biblically, acceptable.
So good! One of my husband's old best friends was INSISTENT that he basically force me into taking the pill after we got married. Why HE was so concerned about whether or not WE had kids I have no idea. But, my husband told him there was no way he was going to make me put fake hormones in my body. We weren't aware at the time that it was abortive but we knew messing with my cycle was never a good idea. We used condoms and only got pregnant when intended. Two kids later we've decided to go the fertility awareness route. The thought of harming any of my babies not matter how small is heartbreaking!
I am so so glad that I never took the pill. I was really excited to get my period when I was a tween and I couldn’t understand why girls would want to make their reproductive systems not function properly. The older that I got, and the more horror stories I heard about the pill from friends, only reassured me of my decision. I was NEVER taught this third method of the pill in school, or anywhere. Most women have absolutely no clue that it’s somewhat common for conception to happen whilst on the pill. They just think that it prevents it completely.
Pastor Joel, I would love it if you would address the forced delayed adolescence in our society. It seems so many Christians have bought into the idea that a person has to be a child until they're 25. I feel like this is causing major societal issues and unnecessary temptation for people who should be totally capable of handling a marriage and instead end up turning to p orn or for nication instead of marriage. The concept of a teenager is a fairly modern concept and it seems so destructive. We've decided our sons will be referred to as young men in their teens and we hope they'll be responsible and capable of being married by 18. Just like generations past. We're clearly biological designed to be having children in our late teens and early 20's. Not waiting until our 30's to even think about starting.
@@RightResponseMinistries yes if you could Do some thing on age segregated service and delayed adulthood I would really appreciate that. There’s two seem like they’d be kind of linked, breaking the regulative principle with age segregated service and the consequence of delayed adulthood. Thanks for your ministry! I ever have to leave Florida for some reason Im going to Texas and will look into your Church or First Baptist Lindale
Very glad my wife has never taken the pill. We are hard-core on this subject and don't even believe in using condoms. If the Lord want a us to have a baby then we aren't going to try and stop it from happening.
@@N81999 Continue steadfastly in the Lord brother Nate! You never know what He can do! I definitely didn't deserve the wife He gave me but God is good! The woman He brings you won't necessarily have all these Bibical views, but if she is submissive to Christ and her own father, then the rest will fall into place when she marries you.
@@GioTummy3463 When did I ever say that? I don't know your heart. That's between you and God - not for me to say. You aren't saved by works or the ability to believe everything perfectly, but a Christian should seek to know and to walk in the will of God.
I love your comment about how Christians are people who love babies. I'm going to start calling myself "pro-children" to be clearer where I'm at on this issue. The pro-life movement is so often corrupt anyways.
I do... the Lord said to be fruitful and multiply! If He blesses you with many arrows in your quiver than thanks be to God! He will provide. Plus condoms are weird and ruin everything... lol
@@nathanhimbeault8433 he told early humans to be fruitful and multiply in order to populate the Earth. You need to learn to understand context. One thing in the bible addressed to specific people at a specific time doesn't always apply to everyone all the time.
@@Aquascape_Dreaming Was there a point where he said that no longer applied? Or that it only applied to "early humans"? Life is short, and children are a blessing from God. Why do anything to try and hinder the Lord from giving you more? God is sovereign over everything, including how many children you can have. He could keep you from having any until your old age like Sarah and Abraham, or He could bless you with many, like He did with Jacob.
@@Aquascape_Dreaming Ok , so , now modern people are not sexual and have no sexual organs anymore ? They are different from Adam and Eve or from Noah and his sons ? Only God will put an end to that at the ressurection. It is NOT our job to mess up with that . We have no right to change the way nature is designed. What do God STILL make women with wombs for ? For nothing ok. Anyway , Europe is now below replacement level and immigration is flooding. You don't fool the Lord all the time. For decades , men have listened to women laiming that they are not baby making machines. Now they have to get themselves ready to reap.
I won't go into my history of using non barrier contraception, but it's safe to say that my husband lost the woman he got engaged to when I decided to get the IUD for multiple reasons, and the woman he got back after we had it removed has been altered by trauma caused by non-barrier contraception. After coming off birth control completely I had two back-to-back miscarriages. Those miscarriages led to us doing extensive research on birth control, and we were horrified by what we found. Not only that birth control was primarily created and funded by Planned Parenthood, but everything down to how it depletes the body of essential nutrients to how it rewires the brain to not be attracted to your spouse, and a lot of other spiritual things in between. I did ovulation tracking and that's how we were able to get pregnant first try with a baby I miscarried last summer and the baby I am due to give birth to in 3 weeks. Because I have a previous ectopic pregnancy in addition to my daughter being born via C-section my body can't handle pregnancies anymore. So this past February my husband got the snip. I have it in my birth plan that if I end up needing a C-section due to emergency reasons then they can remove my tubes as well. On my end it's a precautionary measure against ovarian cancer as that's what my paternal grandmother died from. My husband and I are adamantly against hormonal contraception and even the copper IUD. I 100% advise any woman to get off non barrier contraception ASAP.
So why would you get your husband snipped??? You have just destroyed your body through altering your hormones....you would think with all that research you would have the love for your husband not to treat his body with disdain and destroy it with hormone altering surgeries....I don't get it
@@fe8199 he made the decision while watching me doubled over and crying out in pain for weeks with this pregnancy. He didn't want me to go through that again, so he set up the appointments. We did expensive research, and the cons for female sterilization were far more severe than male. On his end, knowing that my reproductive system is scarred enough as it is prompted him to make the sacrifice.
"A pregnant woman has a specific commission from God issued at creation that will be in force as long as the earth stands. A conceived child is not her property nor her prerogative but is a stewardship from the Creator." Tom Nettles
@ Lailani Calderon Very unwise and highly dangerous advice . We DO NOT get married according to 1 Corinthians 7:4 in order to have children but to keep safe from temptations ! Are we too dumb to uinderstand what is written ? We get married because of our urges. And naturally (with no artificial birth control) , this should produce babies , but that is NOT the first reason . The first reason is to avoid sexual immorality , it is for our sanctification so it is of utmost importance.
Technically, abortion is a form of birth control but not a form of contraception. Thank you for pointing out that hormones and the IUD are abortifacients. Great post that exceedingly few pastors will publicly address. Once again, you are Pastor El Cajones, with an added pun to this video.
Why do people wanna find the ok way to minimize how many kids they have? Sure if there are certain medical conditions I get preventing but dont define the rule by the exception. The Bible only speaks of kids in a positive light and talk about them like the arrows in an archers quiver, the more the better.
Many families do not have the mental, emotional, financial etc. capacity to successfully raise large numbers of children. We need to be responsible with what we do. Creating kids just for the sake of having a lot is irresponsible.
I had to stop at 5 because my body and my hormones were out of control. Would it be better to keep pumping out babies, or have a wife who is catatonically depressed, taking large amounts of pharmaceutical medicines to cope, unable to care for the children she has and unable to respond to her husbands needs? It’s easy for you to assume pregnancy and childbirth are easy. They are not easy for every woman.
@@litrugia yes 100% I hope I didnt come off as demeaning. You have 5 kids clearly you dont view them as a burden. When I was trying to get out is more of the general norm among a lot of evangelical seems unbiblical. The notion that I know other young single people who are already saying beforehand they want to limit themselves to a certain number, it’s like shouldnt the starting Attitude be to have them until God makes it clear in life you should stop like he has apparently in your life and that’s reasonable and God honoring. People should want to have children until it’s clear that it’s no longer going to be fruitful if they continue. What you expressed is extremely different from what I was getting at. A lot of people would say for me to keep my mouth shut to not risk offending someone, but then they turned a blind eye to the fact that when I expressed wanting to have a large family everyone looks at me like I have a third eye on my forehead. And that unlike your attitude a lot of people are wanting to limit the number of children they have because of not liking children as much or prioritizing other things more than family, which seems to not be your heart at all. I dont mean to be insensitive at all I pray the best for your family🙂
There's a few reasons why people aren't having more children, so I'll try to list a few highlights. 1) People used to live in multigenerational families, this made having lots of kids easier because there were extended family members around to help out. Now that most people are living in nuclear families with their extended family not living nearby, the load falls entirely upon the parents. 2) Cost of living has increased, while real wages have been stagnant since the late 1970's thanks to us having a fiat currency. This means that often times both parents have to work in order to support the household. These aren't all the reasons, but two of the big ones in my view.
@@Razaiel The nimber one reason is that men have no control over women anymore and they are just gradually losing their civilisation. The my body my choice crap has been the end of the West and men have AGREED to let women do whatever they want , putting in their hands contraception , which is a crime against God's authority/submission order. He shall rule over you has become She rules through every way possible , whether in debauchery or in marriage. Just take a look at the Bible and see if GOD cared about what women thought . When God wanted the earth to be populated again after the flood , he told Noah and his sons to do so.. Not a word to his wife or his 3 daughters in law. Women are supposed to be in submission and suffer the pains of childbearing Genesis 3:16 Since Western men have listened and embraced the rebellion of women , they are going to lose both their women and their civilisation , culture and faith. You don't mock the Lord eternally.
Pastor Joel, if I can extend the question a bit further, do you think it is sinful to have the mindset of "we don't want to have kids, and only will use natural methods to prevent conception"? I'm trying to ask more about the mindset against having kids, instead of the method of prevention.
@@cosmictreason2242 Abstinence is for spiritual matters only .1 Corinthians 7:5 and for a short time . What's the point of getting married then if we have to abstain ???
@@cosmictreason2242 Yes exactly. I'm sorry , I should have answered Michael Lautermilch , not you lol The problem is we Western fools want to control everything . You do have pastors who encourage to practice abstinence in order not to have children anymore. They are just doing the work of Satan , encouraging married couples to fall into temptations. Yeah fools , you're in "control" now . Enjoy !
Preventative in slowing down thesupermarket, so impairing the sperm.hmmm... Quick pic., i am paralyzed (hindered/slowed down) 2and am Not as efficient as i was when i was Active Duty ARMY SAPPER. i have to say hindering Life is sinful.
Does Pastor Joel have an opinion on consistently using NFP? I go back and forth because the intention seems to be the same as the birth control pill at the end of the day as keeping away life in the first place and not trusting God with our womb. However I don’t know if it is unbiblical to use preventative birth control methods as a general topic. This isn’t about the extreme circumstances where there may be life threatening reasons to abstain or anything like that. Thanks!!
He does have a video on how many children Christians should have. the conclusion was along the lines of as many as you can effectively care for and disciple.
My wife and I used NFP to conceive our middle child when we were struggling to get her pregnant. Certainly using NFP in that sense is moral, because we were using it TO conceive, not to NOT conceive. I realize that's not what you are really getting at but I just wanted to put in a good word for NFP. God bless you for taking this question seriously.
I am probably ONE OF the biggest advocates against non-barrier contraception that you will ever find. I started using ovulation tracking after the birth of our second child. She was born via an emergency C-section, and I needed to give my womb time to heal properly before trying for our third. When we decided the time was right I got pregnant first attempt with a child we ended up miscarrying last summer. She was 6+3 when her heart stopped beating, and I was supposed to be 8w along. A repeat ultrasound a couple weeks later confirmed our fourth miscarriage in less than 5 years of marriage. One of those pregnancy losses was an ectopic pregnancy With which I was already internally bleeding when it was surgically resolved on New Year's Eve 2019. I am now due in 3 weeks with our third child, and we have decided that she will be our last. My body has barely been able to handle this pregnancy, much less the grief in my spirit from all the children I will never get to hold. We really wanted 4, but with the is devastation and scar tissue, neither of us can go through that again. My husband got a vasectomy this past February. If I end up needing a repeat C-section I have given consent to have my tubes removed. It is not an issue of salvation. We have been faithful to produce enough children to replace us after our death, and then one more.
My husband and I used NFP. We had three planned pregnancies and four sons (second pregnancy included twins!). After the first three sons were born, we were a bit overwhelmed since we had three sons in 17 months and thought about using sterilization to keep from having more kids. But I felt deeply in my heart that there was one more kid waiting to happen. So we used NFP to avoid pregnancy and then, seven years after the twins were born, my husband and I both knew that it was time and we conceived our final son. Jacob is a HUGE blessing and I tell him all the time that I missed him for seven years until I finally got to meet him! So NFP, used prayerfully, is in my opinion perfectly fine and can help us carry out God’s will for our family.
Also consider why that 3rd measure is in place. Why also thin the uterine lining? If the first two measures are effective, there is no need for this. What if the first two “measures” aren’t actually effective? Perhaps almost every “prevention” is actual abortive. As Joel says there is no way to know, no studies will ever be done.
Pastor Joel, you spoke a few words to the women who might be responding in terror as they hear this and realize what they are doing to their children. What do you advise for them? As you mentioned, going off the pill almost guarantees that you will kill babies. Would you advise a Christian couple who have just had their eyes opened to practice abstinence for several months after she stops taking birth control?
@ Kayla R Abstinence must be mutually agreed upon 1 Corinthians 7:5 and is for spiritual matters only and should only be practiced for a short time in order not to take the risk to be tempted. We don't get married for the purpose of producing babies but for the purpose of keeping safe from carnal temptations 1 Co 7:4 Getting pregnant is the natural process with no birth control , but it just comes second. No Christian on an individual level really needs to have children. But EVERY Christians needs to keep away from sexual immorality , which is way more important.
@@cosmictreason2242 so you think we should just keep popping out the babies??? even after my wife losing her mind after having 5 babies in 10 years and a double pelvic prolapse from carrying 5 big babies and naturally birthing them. We should just keep having more babies because that’s Gods design???? Even if my wife, who couldn’t care for herself for a time, let alone care for the children?? Some design huh!!
@@litrugia that’s treatable and might involve losing weight and doing exercise. Horrible I know. If that fails, there’s actually medical interventions available. It’s not a life threatening condition so, no, that’s not an excuse
An ultra conservative? Do you know what the pill does to men after intercourse? If people actually knew what the pill does, then the answer should be no every single time.
If only you knew how many women have suffered reproductive injury from the IUD, not to forget to mention the men that have to feel it during intercourse... You might be singing a different tune.
DW! I agree with Joel. Your intentionally trying to subvert God’s command to be fruitful and multiply when taking the pill. You’re saying in your heart, “I don’t want to multiply.” Additionally, I think you’ll have a hard time rebutting Joel’s specific argument in this video regarding the pill. You can literally allow a fertilized egg to pass by taking the pill. How in good conscience could you take something that makes the womb inhospitable for a baby? (It’s a person the moment it’s fertilized.) I’m willing to allow the argument for Christian liberty regarding “natural methods.” But not for the pill. It’s sinful. I’m saying this as someone who allowed his wife to take it, unknowing of the consequences. However, unknowing sin is still sin.
If birth control pill is sinful, how are Christian married couples supposed to control the number of children they plan to have? Are wives supposed to pop out baby after baby after baby??
We Christian married couples use NFP. Works perfectly. My husband and I used it and we had three planned pregnancies and no unplanned pregnancies in 25 years. We also used sterilization when we were done having kids.
@@RightResponseMinistries Fertilized eggs are not "children," and nobody is being killed just because a woman takes a contraceptive pill. Although, if you want to be up and arms about the killing of children, there has been an awful lot of that happening in our schools at the ends of guns lately. If anything, _that_ is what should be your business. Not what two consenting adults choose to do in the privacy of their bedroom.
