Can Liga Romanica understand 🇷🇴 Romanian? // Liga Romanica Clips 

It is not the words of Slavic origin that make the Romanian language more difficult to understand. You can speak Romanian using only words inherited from Latin, and it would still be just as difficult. The fact that Latin words evolved quite differently in Romanian, plus the preservation of Latin grammair part (probably under the influence of Slavic languages ​​with a grammatical structure similar to Latin) lost largely in Western Romance languages, makes Romanian different from the rest. The strange thing is that the other speakers expected absolutely every word to be Slavic (in the end, none was). What is Slavic are a few words - 10%, the structure of the language always uses Latin words. You cannot change the small connecting words, persons, prepositions... with their Slavic variants. Wikipedia : Romanian nouns are declined according to gender (feminine, masculine and neuter), number (singular and plural) and case (nominative / accusative, dative / genitive and vocative). The article, like adjectives and pronouns, is given in gender, number and case with the noun it determines. Romanian is the only Romance language in which the definite article is enclitic, it is attached to the end of the noun. The articles evolved from demonstrative pronouns in Latin. Romanian has four verbal conjugations. Verbs can be put in four personal ways, namely (indicative, conjunctive, conditional-optional and imperative) and four impersonal modes (infinitive, gerund, supine and participle).

Bravo, Stefano. Impresionant. Pentru un vorbitor nativ de romana pare incredibil sa vezi un strain care vorbeste romana atat de bine. Unde mai pui ca stie si regulile de gramatica :-). Cu influenta slava, nu are mult de a face cu limba rusa. Are mai mult de a face cu slava de sud si slava folosita in biserica, care finalmente tot din slava de sud provine.

I love your conversations. I suggest a Romanian guest named Laura Reit. She has a RU-vid channel speaking in Brazilian Portuguese. She also speaks Italian (and maybe Spanish). It would be great to talk to her on an upcoming live. Her channel is called Transylvania Girl.

Cu cât învăț mai mult, cu atât iubesc mai mult limba română.

Form native Romanian speaker: not as many Slavic words in Romanian as it is believed from outside. Russian words very few also. For example, even the word Da (yes) is not necessarily from Russian but rather from the Latin ita. Romanian is a very complex language. Congrats to the speaker and his fluency. Only for a moment I thought he said gem (jam) instead of geam (window). Most of Romanians would use more what you call Neo Latin words in his examples. Thanks for including Romanian in your discussions and yes, it’s good to have someone that can explain in at least one of the other languages.

Felicissimo di aver portato il rumeno per la prima volta in questa gabbia di matti, nella quale mi sono trovato benissimo! xD Spero che ci siano altre occasioni per approfondire l'argomento (e per farsi tante altre risate insieme) ;D

Really hoping for a Romanian in the group

El genitivo del rumano no es el de los idiomas eslavos, sino se usa mas o menos como en el latín. Ejemplo: Latín: historia romanorum Rumano: istoria romanilor

Complimenti a Stefano per il suo rumeno impeccabile!

He's doing very well, from the viewpoint of a native Romanian.

the word for "room" at around 5 minutes may be of Turkish origin, room is "oda" in Turkish

geam -> cam (window/glass) odaie -> oda (room) they're originally turkish words

Davide es un agente secreto ruso infiltrado 😂

I hope you found the subtitles helpful :)

"Limbii" is gentive, but that's not an influence of the Rusian language AT ALL. It's due to the fact that the Romanian Language has retained the grammar of the Latin language, where you have to declinate the word according to the case.

"Geam" es una palabra de origen turco y "ușor" es latina (*LEVISORE), es decir que es leve, ligero.

Todos parten de la idea (errata) de que el rumano tiene muchas palabras eslavas. Lo que olvidan (o puede que no sepan) es que el SUBSTRATO del idioma rumano es el idioma dacio. La mayoría de las palabras que contienen el sonido "z" en rumano provienen del idioma dacio (Los dacios, los "barbudos" y "barbaros" antepasados ​​de los rumanos). En rumano no hay tantas palabras de origen eslavo como las de origen francés, por ejemplo. El problema es que escuchais la palabra "DA" y mentalmente etiquetan - eslavo, ruso...y no es nada mas falso! Puedo decirlo porque veo su reacción. Soy lingüista de profesión, sé muy bien el español y el italiano, hablo y escribo bastante bien el francés y puedo hablar bastante bien el portugués. Lo que teneis que entender es que el rumano tuvo que tomar prestadas ciertas palabras del eslavo debido a su posición geográfica (somos una isla latina en un gran mar eslavo) y por religión (el idioma de la ortodoxia en la región era el antiguo eslavo). Complimenti per Stefano e per il suo amore per la lingua rumena! Tuttavia, forse la prossima volta potrai invitare un madrelingua rumeno, possibilmente esperto anche delle altre lingue latine.

Here are some things unique in Romanian that other Romance languages don’t have: ‘’U’’ instead of ‘’o’’ Many related words of Romance languages containing the letter ‘’o’’ will have a ‘’u’’ instead in Romanian. Ear Italian: orecchio Spanish: oreja Portuguese: orelha French: oreille Romanian: ureche No Italian: no Spanish: no Portuguese: não French: non Romanian: nu But sometimes, this actually makes the Romanian word sound closer to Latin than the counterpart words: One Latin: unus Italian: uno Spanish: uno Portuguese: um French: un Romanian: unu Member Latin: membrum Italian: membro Spanish: miembro Portuguese: membro French: membre Romanian: membru Vowels at the beginning/end of a word are lost (Note: this can also happen in Portuguese and French) Hospital Italian: ospedale Spanish: hospital Portuguese: hospital French: hôpital Romanian: spital Iron Italian: ferro Spanish: hierro Portuguese: ferro French: fer Romanian: fier Article doesn’t come before the noun, but after it: Let’s take a look at the word globe and its article version, the globe: Italian: globo Spanish: globo Portuguese: globo French: globe Romanian: glob And if we use the article: Italian: il globo Spanish: el globo Portuguese: o globo French: le globe Romanian: globul So, if you’ve ever read Romanian and wondered what that ‘’-ul’’ ending is all about, there you have it. The similar-sounding articles of il (Italian), el (Spanish) and ul (Romanian) all come from the Latin word ille, but in Romanian, articles are used as suffixes. ‘’C’’ (or ‘’qu’’) becomes ‘’p’’: Chest Latin: pectus Italian: petto Spanish: pecho Portuguese: peito Romanian: piept Four Latin: quattuor Italian: quattro Spanish: cuatro Portuguese: quatro French: quatre Romanian: patru Fact Latin: factum Italian: fatto Portuguese: facto French: fait Romanian: fapt

Olá a todos, muito interessante o vosso projecto, sou Português como tal o Castelhano e Galego compreendo muito bem , o Italiano vem por associação e o Francês estudei no secundário e tenho um fácil acesso para começar a falar, mas tal como o Italiano necessito de algumas horas para o meu cérebro processar e entrar em funcionamento nestas 2 línguas, tive a oportunidade de residir 1 mês com 4 colegas Romenos e posso dizer que no final já conseguia perceber uma boa parte do que eles conversavam. Afinal vimos todos do latim😁, parabéns a todos e muito sucesso.

That south slavic is more the thracian substratum than slavic. Also the accent is so. Yes, you adopt a language but keep the accent: see the scotts. It is so with us, bulgars and serbians. They speak slavic but with a thracian accent.

"Stefano (aka the best)". Aaww, tellement jolie.

és molt maco, pero costa força d'entendre😮 Hi ha algunes frases o paraules que sí, però d'altres que no hi ha manera 😅

What a beautiful group of individuals 🍻

Guys let me know if you’re still looking for a Romanian native speaker and I can try to convince a friend who would fit perfectly within your group (he’s fluent in most Romance languages too).

The cases in romanian are not like in russian but like in old latin.

Aprender rumano está en mis planes porque comparte dos de mis herencias culturales/lingüísticas más cercanas ya que soy hispanohablante nativo y tengo ascendencia rusa cercana, aunque la influencia eslava en el rumano venga más de los países que rodean la región en que se habla. Además, me fascina el idioma y me fascina Rumania (su naturaleza, su cultura, sus leyendas...) desde que tengo memoria. ¿Quién sabe? Quizás hasta pueda hacer los subtítulos de rumano en el futuro.

Convidem a "Transilvania Girl" a Laura... ela é romena e fala portugues e italiano.

Stefano sei molto bravo! Complimenti. Anzi, te lo avevo già detto nel tuo canale (Lingua e passione) E per gli altri ragazzi del gruppo, mi ripropongo per una chiacchierata con voi - sono rumeno, parlo italiano (C2 come Dorothea :D ), inglese (C1), spagnolo (B2) e solo un poco di francese (A1/2). Contattatemi.

Example of Latin case declension: Latin: intelligimus linguA RomaniAE Romanian: Intelegem limbA RomaniEI Italian: capiamo LA lingua DELLA Romania

O limba dacoromână e foarte divers. Mulțumesc pentru efortul Stefano!

Complimenti Stefano! Sei molto bravo!

Really funny !! lovely idea. Bravi!

"So anche lingue barbare" 🔝😂 In realtà come nel Rumeno anche noi abbiamo subito la "stratificazione delle lingue barbare con il latino in tutto il territorio dell'Italia, Gallia, e penisola iberica. Il vantaggio però di essere stati invasi da Visigoti e Ostrogoti e che le lingue di ceppo germanico hanno lasciato un segno simile nelle lingue neolatine dell'Europa occidentale... L'esperienza delle invasioni barbariche o delle "grandi migrazioni" come amano definirle i Tedeschi ha lasciato in tutta Italia molte parole di origine Longobarda (da Long Bard tradotto popolo dalla barba lunga= LongoBardi da cui anche il nome della regione Lombardia) Stessa stratificazione di parole germaniche come già detto si è verificata nelle altre lingue romanze dell'Europa occidentale. Ciò detto per sottolineare il motivo per cui le lingue romanze dell'Europa occidentale si comprendono meglio tra di loro. Ma se invece di essere stati invasi da popoli germanici in Italia fossero arrivati popoli Slavi e Russi? Sicuramente adesso ci capiremmo meglio con i Rumeni che con gli altri neolatini. Video interessante. Trovo giusto che abbiate fatto il video includendo questa volta un parlante Rumeno. Vi lascio un potenziale spunto nel prossimo commento:

2:21 I'm Romanian and i don't understand Russian at all. There are a few Slavic words in our vocabulary. There are also Hungarian, Turkish influences. Romanian has been indicated in the linguist Mario Pei’s study from 1949 to be at 23.5% distant from Latin in terms of phonology, inflection, syntax, vocabulary, and intonation. Here is its place in the pecking order compared to the other Romance Languages: Sardinian 8%, Italian 12%, Spanish 20%, Romanian 23.5%, Occitan 25%, Portuguese, 31%, French 44%

chat was right, I hear Balkan words: in Albanian, Xham (pronounced Jahm) means "glass'. or in this case, he used it to say window.

Slavic words in Romanian are only 11% of the total vocabulary

2:57 trebuie - comun pentru tot limbile paleobalcanice. Rusi a fost adoptat asta cu alfabetul de St. Ciril care a fost nascut in Salonika și a facut traducere Scripturii in limba presumtiva slava bisericească

It was funny that they couldn't understand even the latin "este" ! I would like a video with people speaking like both Italian and a South Slavic language try to understand Romanian. But the words have underwent changes so it is not easy to understand them.

La palabra que significa ventana, esa que suena [dʒam] no será latina también procedente de IANUA como la portuguesa "janela"?

Amazing and fascinating stuff…this is kind of like seeing the 4 Ninja Turtles being taught by Master Splinter.

Il tipo che tira fori continuamente senza necessità la sua conoscenza di russo, se imparava al liceo il latino avrebbe avuto adesso meno difficoltà di capire il rumeno 😉

2:15 - Le russe n'a rien à voir avec le roumain !!! Aucun Russe ne comprend le roumain (sauf ceux qui maîtrisent des langues romanes). Le russe et le roumain, c'est comme le français et le néerlandais : aucun rapport !

Finalmente Galera! Aí sim!

entendo algo de romeno... não só por ser latino.. mas também por causa de alguns cognatos com italianos.

Love these videos. A little clarification: Romanian was not influenced by Russian but by Old Slavonic and the reason is the Orthodox Christian background. Also, while "deosebit" is of Old Slavonic origin, "ușor" is ultimately from Latin "levis". Sometimes, people (including Romanians) hear words in Romanian and think they're of non-Latin origins when in fact they are but are not used anymore or are not common in Western Romance languages. Examples are: ușă (door), from Latin "ustia" (doors. French "huis" as in "à huis clos") and "biserică" (church) from Latin "basilica", ultimately from ancient Greek "basileos" (king). 🙂 BTW, I would love to video chat with you guys. All the best.

Foarte distractiv! Și eu sunt un mare fan al lui Stefano, dar aș vrea să știu dacă ați întrebat pe Gia de la 'Romanian with Gia'? Sunt sigur că da, pentru că ea este bine cunoscută, dar nu am văzut nicio mențiune despre ea aici (Am găsit canalul ăsta doar acum și nu am avut destul de timp să citesc toate comentariile.) Oricum are simțul umorului și cred că și ea vorbește alte limbi romanice.

AMO ESSAS CONVERSAS CALOROSAS PT ESP IT RU FR

“Odaie” secondo me viene dal turco “oda” che vuol dire appunto stanza. Probabilmente è stato assorbito in rumeno nella forma dativa turca “odaya” -> alla stanza.

N-are nici o treabă rusa cu română 😆, influenţele slavice sunt ~15% Vrem mai multe clipuri cu omul român, bine, nu e român nativ dar aţi înţeles ideea :P vorbeşte foarte bine!

Romanian preserved the Latin case system and grammar while the other Romance languages developed prepositions and dropped the case system entirely. This means Romanian is the closest language to Latin in terms of grammar. It's impossible to communicate the Latin vocative case in Italian, but when a Romanian hears "et tu brute" they know exactly how Caeser meant it(or Shakespeare rather). Other people who hear Romanian think it sounds closest to Latin. To me Italian sounds quite effeminate with its "o" endings. Romanian is the only romance language that still maintains a masculine and authoritative sound like Latin does. The case declensions in Romanian are inherited directly from Latin. Therefore, they cannot be "sooo different". Italian does not even have case declensions. It is so different from Latin that it is astounding that Italian as well as other western romance languages actually come from Latin. The "complemento di vocazione" in Italian is just adding "oh" in front of the nouns, much like in English. But this is not how Latin functions and it doesn't really capture the mood of the Latin and Romanian vocative case. Romania has some indo-european words that you might think are Slavic origin, but not all are just that, some have Dacian origin(indo-european).

Influence on Romanian came from Old Bulgarian, same as old Russian was influenced by Old Russian and Mid Russian

Italian - multo. Romanian mult Italian - credo. Romanian - cred. Well my as a Romanian I can’t understand Russian is very hard for me to learn. So people think if you come from Romania you understand Russian or speak Russian 😂😂😂😂

Mai vreeeem❤❤

Molto interessante l'esperimento col rumeno. Purtroppo però non sono riuscito a capire niente e dalle facce che facevano mi sembra neanche loro 😅

Si aún no entiendo a Elisa, con el rumano peor me lo ponen 😅

Bravo Stefano! A few tricks....although this video is 2 yrs old and maybe you already improved your romanian. In romanian usually the accent in on the second syllable. For ex 1:10 you say SUnetul, the right sound would be suNEtul. Also you sometimes switch ă with a. :)

Sou brasileiro e o único que não compreendo falando é o Léo. Hahaha, parabéns pela iniciativa!!!

Fereastră no es neolatino, es del viejo fondo latin

Romanian is a Romance language, you have no use of a Slavic language to understand Romanian. Romanians themselves don't understand any Slavic languge and viceversa. If you speak Spanish you will not be able to understand Arabic because Spanish has Arabic loans, well, it's something like that.

I have five words to say: The video is too short

i think that "deosebit" does have a cognate in russian, it's de+osebit and "osebit" resembles "особенный" in russian

Odaie is a turkish word it is used as far as in Egypt and maybe in all post-ottoman territories

The words in the romanian sentence, odaya y cam sounds Turkish. I wrote its turkish form because don't know how they would we written in Romanian but it is very interesting actually. I can make exact sentence with these two words; Bu odada(-da must br locative case not sure) bir cam var

Romanian had a "French renaissance" during the second half of the 19th century. Lots of modern French imports replaced many Slavonic words and also regional archaic words (that originated from early Latin). That's why Romanian sounds confusing since the phonetic modality alternates between recognizable Latin-Italian, Slavonic and Hungarian words and French adaptations (French, which already does not sound too Latin since it merged Frankish sonority)

🇲🇩 they NEED a romanian member in Liga Romanica 🇷🇴

1. "Odaie: si "geam" sunt de origine turcica, nu slava. "Usor" deriva din termenul latin "osteolum". "Deosebit" e compuns din "de" + "osebit", etimologia lui e necunoscuta. 2. Genitivul in limba romana se formeaza prin sufixul "ei" pentru feminin si "lui" pentru masculin la singular si "lor" la plural feminin si masculin. (2 exemple: casa - casei - caselor / lup - lupului - lupilor). Am utilizat un genitiv intr-una din frazele anterioare.

The Romanian words that seem to you to be Slavic are actually of Proto-Indo-European (PIE) origin, just like Sanskrit or Latin. Romanian words have many synonyms that were probably formed by the influences of the peoples who passed through this territory.

ușor, de la forma más antigua iușor, de un hipotético (quizás protorrumano) intermedio *lieu, del latín levis (“ligero”), + el sufijo diminutivo -șor.

odaye is from Turkish , oda is the room :)

1:30 tipo ruso 🥱🥱🥱 limba latina? Genitiv in limba latina?

Geam is of Turkish origin.

2:08 @Elisa: The answer is NO :)

Stefano to Liga Romanica: Speaks romanian Stefano to Romanian people: Raga correggetemi se sbaglio

5:52 odaia from Turkish oda, not in use any more; same with geam

Consigo entender algunas palabras sueltas con esfuerzo, pero ni de lejos las frases enteras. Bueno, algo es algo, para no haberlo estudiado nunca...

Credo che la parola "odaya" sia turca, perché in turco se dice "oda" per dire stanza.

facil es una palabra aguda en el rumano, porque es préstamo del francés.

Il serait intéressant de savoir si l'emploi en roumain de mots slaves ou néo-latins relève d'un niveau de langage plus ou moins familier

language is not only a toilet of words. it is defined on a structure. the Romanian language is a neo-Latin language. like all other Romance languages, it directly inherited about 2000 words from Vulgar Latin. in addition, Romanian has preserved more than 200 words from Latin, which the other Romance languages ​​do not have. well understood that words from our neighbors with whom we live have also entered the Romanian language. especially from Slavonia. and these proto-Romanian speaking ancestors influenced the Balkan languages ​​in turn. listen to an old Romanian song from the elders. below you can also find it in Latin, then translated into English. finally in the contemporary Romanian language. you see how close the Romanian language is to Latin. Bela in larga valle amblà. Érba verde lin calcà. Cảntà, qui cantand plangeà Quod tóti munti resunà. Ea in genunchi se puneà, Ochi in sus indireptà, Ecce asi vorbe faceà: Domne, Domne, bune Domne etc. Puella in larga valle ambulabat, Herbam viridem leniter calcabat; Cantabat, et cantando plangebat, Ut omnes montes resonarent. Illa in genua se ponebat, Oculos sursum dirigebat, Ecce, sic verba faciebat: Domine, domine, bone domine. The girl was walking in a wide valley, He trod gently on the green grass; He sang, and while singing he mourned, That all the mountains should resound. She put herself on her knees He directed his eyes upward, Behold, he spoke thus: Lord, Lord, good Lord. Bela in largă vale umbla, Iarba verde lin călca Cântă și cântând plângea, Că toți munţii resuna. Ea în genunchi se punea Ochi în sus îndirepta. Acceasi vorbe făcea: Doamne, Doamne, bune

As a Romanian i got a bit offensed that us , used russian to "understand" Romanian.

odaie y geam vienen del turco otomano.

„geam” and „odaie” are of Turkish origin. None of them is Slavic, that's why the Italian guy didn't catch them!

Espero que agora percebam o porquê da Liga Romanica não tem um falante de língua romena. Não se ia entender nada.

Santa Madre, io parlo tutte le quattro ma ho capito un bel nulla in romeno. (Super interessante!)

Lo único que me sale es decir "Siamo fuori dalla copa" 🤷

Porquei los sotítulos están solu en llingua bárbara si la cannal yía de llinguas románicas? Entiéndesse'l rumamu más del que pensava.

It is interesting how educated people (or so they seem) fill the gaps in their own knowledge with preconceptions. Trying to understand the Romanian language in a Russian key is nonsense. Any language has synonyms, which have different origins. There is no Romanian Slavic language and one Neo-Latin. It is an aberration. I personally speak French and Italian, but I also understand the other Romance languages: Spanish and Portuguese. Yes, I also studied Latin at school.

oda è probabilmente di origine turca

Rumano es la lingua plus difficile a comprender, mas possibilmente per isto precisamente es la que face plus curiosita al resto del parlantes del linguas neolatine

in romanian everything is all latin, but with duplicates to existing latin words from other languages wihch came from immigrants and make up 17% out of which turkish 3% hungarian 2% dacian 1-3% slavonic 7% (came with orthodoxy which brought words related to spirituality and church) and slavic 3% and various greek, german, english, gypsy, etc but i underline again, that every word has a latin version which are the preffered and modern use romanian has kept more of latin in more ways than all other languages lost, even vocabulary, mostly grammar, pronunciation if your looking for a slavic romance language its istro-romanian spoken in croatia, and greek romance is aromanian spoken in greece romanian vocabulary is 83% latin based

Miceal Ledwith former councilor at Pope John Paul II: "I think what is not often remembered is that romanian or the ancestry of the romanian is from where the latin language came. not vice-versa! Romanian is not a latin language rather latin is a romanian language! So.. I want to Salut those people from Bucegi mountains and arround Brașov and Bucharest, you are the ones that gave a great vehicle of western culture to the world " m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RQdR8_b6Ee4.html

Slavic come from Bulgars not from Rusia.We live toghether in the past.

Va urmăresc înțeles Română și Italiană

Oddio mo che c'entra il russo? XD

i hate the fact that when people think of slavic language its automatically russian, completely ignoring the fact that romanian's neighbors are bulgarians, serbians, ukrainians, polish (historically) and only in the last 200 years some russians. also russian is the weirdest slavic language. just like english is still germanic but has strayed very far away from the other germanic languages.

Ieu nu vorbesc, nu inteleg limba românã. Eu penso que é mais entendívele l'italiano, espanhol, catalano e occitano.

odaie and geam are words that entered from turkish they are not slavic

"Odaie" commes from turkish language, not Slavic at all

Debéis tomar un texto en rumano con todas las palabras heredadas del latín, por ejemplo: era lăsatul serii, călătorii mergeau pe cărarea care ducea spre trăsură care i-a adus de la țară, pe partea dreaptă era un mormânt cu lumânări albe. En este texto todas las palabras son heredadas del latín, no son préstamos del latín , ni palabras prestadas de otras lenguas. Porque las demás lenguas perdieron los casos, también el género neutro, y porque si todas las palabras del texto son de origen latín no se parecen a su traducción en español, o el gentilicio "romano"? Es por la influencia árabe?

Cuvintele "odaie" si "geam" sunt cuvinte din limba turcă.