Can Marines From 2003 Compete with Modern Primaris? 

haha well said!

What are all u guys gonna bitch and cry about when elder and imperial guard get done

@@michaeldorn5330 im not crying or bitching i just thought it was funny i play imperial guard among other armies and i think theyre great how they are!

@@yoyoyo9669 I added some Cadian gasmask heads now I like em better

@@michaeldorn5330 ohhhhh no are they possibly upset that eldar have ancient kits and lots of fine cast, are they upset we still only have 2 regiments for imperial guard with one being outdated and ugly.

It was not identical but slightly modified, as the toes of one foot were curled under unlike the totally flat-footed 'stealers from the original Space Hulk and Deathwing boxes.

i'm 21, i've been in Warhammer since 14 or so, my first army was Tyranids. 2 years ago one old guy that visits my local GW store quite usually, spoke to me about some retro and old minis that he had in his home, the next time i saw him, he gifted to me 24 old Genestealers and a modern Broodlord, i was so happy and so thankfull to him. It's so crazy to me that i play and paint miniatures that are older than me thanks to this old man. He usually gives some boxes away to people that usually comes to the shop and has a good relationship with him, he is trully a veteran that has been in the hobby practically since the start and has a enormous collection. He also likes to share his skills in painting and kitbashing, but he never plays, he says that is not a good loser so prefers not to play at all. The ancient and mightiest of all our community.

Same model from space crusade, just the basenis newer

It's really just preemptive self-defense.

I've recently converted to BT's. I used to play Blood Angels, but they haven't had many primaris updates, so I decided to give BT's a go now that they have loads of really nice new primaris minis. I'm really hoping we get a Primaris Landraider Crusader, and maybe even a Primaris Chaplain Dreadnought as well. I'm a big fan of assault space marine chapters. I played BA's since I was a wee lad. I am thinking about starting some White Scars as well though and making them a bike heavy army. I am hoping I can convert the regular space marine bikes to have primaris riders though, as I really don't want any "stumpies" in my armies. I know we have the outriders now, but I think we still need some regular space marine bikes for an army. Maybe I can convert the outriders to have the correct weapon load out's though. I think the idea of a biker gang astartes army is awesome. I think anything that's not on bikes I'll likely use drop pods to get into the thick of it, maybe a flying transport or two. I used to run the flying transports in my BA army. I'd drop a Death Company Dread out of it, and a squad of death company out of the other one. It was a shame that there was such a glaring weakness in the DC rules though (the fact they attack the closest enemy) as they were able to be exploited. They were incredibly string for about a week, then people worked out they could just kite them. I ended up playing Nurgle CSM instead after this. This was way before the Death Guard plastics though, and we actually had to convert our plague marines from plastic CSM kits. I mean we did have some plague marine minis, but only 5 or sculpts. We used to actually cut out the abdomen from the plastic CSM kits and sculpt in bloated bellys with green stuff. TBH what got me into doing this was that I seen an army where someone had made blood angels infected with nurgle, and the conversions were gorgeous. the freedom the nurgle CSM players had with conversions really spoke to me and from then out I collected Nurgle CSM. I still have a Nurgle CSM army now, but I have all new Death Guard plastics. I'm just taking my time with them as they're a passion project, and I want to get them exactly right. So I picked Black templar as my army I will paint faster to play games with. I thought the paint scheme was simple enough where I didn't have to do lots of testers, and also the scheme is already locked in. With my Nurgle CSM I have so many options on how to paint them. Whether to stick with green or go another colour, then what method to achieve the colour I want. It's nice to have an army like BT where the colour scheme is already locked in, and I can just crack on with painting and converting them, without all the sleepless nights about how to do them. I think the most work will be adding details to my 3 redemptor dreads. I want to add lots of bits and bobs to them to sell that they are BT.

@@D00M3R_MAVS I am confused. Why did you choose my comment to reply to it without actually replying to it seven months after I commented?

@@marcwittkowski5146 I only seen the video last night.

@@marcwittkowski5146 also I was wasted. the comment wasn't supposed to be as long as it was. it just kind of kept going.

@Tristan: What's your favorite rules edition of 40K and why? Respectfully curious: I stopped after 5th edition (which I liked overall).

@@danepatterson8107 Difficult question for me. I started end of second, played some years third, paused for RL reasons, came back end of 8th, or more precise had one game before Corona-Hysteria, and here we are now. 9th is waiting for learning. But the similarities with 3rd and the more streamlined gameplay is pretty appealing to me.

I remember when those multi-pose Tac-Marines came out! I bought a set and that was where my love of conversion and kitbashing started. I specifically remember a White Dwarf article that went over some options you could try to make things look unique. Oh the good old days when GW actually loved player creativity!

The first multiposeable tactical space marines were the plastics from first edition.

@@andrewmarrington5654 I didnt knew Rouge Trader had plastic miniatures at all. But after that, the tactical Marines introduced in 3rd were the first multiposeable ones I came across. Before you had the starter box in plastic and the blister ones in metal to do the job.

So sprue space efficiency skills got so good folks thinks they're computer generated and thus have a less "human" feel to them versus the older(less space efficient) ones. There's something either philosophical or psychological going on here

I don't believe them.

Well, they are probably using a CAD program to make the mould. I bet it is in CAD that the sprue is made, with the bits imported from a 3D sculpting program. So they most likely run a simulation on how the plastic flows and make the sprue after those results. I guess when he says human made, he meant it like that, dont think there is an automated program to do that for them.

IF you believe anything GW say in interviews, you might be a squig

@@danepatterson8107 🙄

Yes. The tail end of 3rd? Tau and Necrons were fresh and the average game was 1500 points and arguably still skirmish.

Yes, 2nd edition starter set had 20, plus the first plastic orks.

@@bionicgeekgrrl Um no. There were plastic multi part Orks in 1989 iirc. It’s rare to see pics of them. They were pretty crap.

Must be using the same sculpts

Nice to see you here Dan!

Yeah, they used those molds for a decade, pretty much all starter sets between 1993 to 2003 used these marine models

BUT they were really cheap at the time. It was like...I think £8 for a full set of ten tactical marines (this is back when GW did a box of 20 skeletons for like a fiver). The only other option were the all metal kits which were, for the time, fairly expensive.

I think they look AMAZING. I love the old squat marines. They have so much more charm to them than the tacticool primaris.

@@thequestbro I much prefer the beakie marines that preceded the monopose mkVII marines, they had far more charm and character in my eyes.

@@anotherzingbo they're all good. It's primaris I hate. Generic garbagio.

@theviewbot nah im with you. sculpts have become amazing. Nostalgia is for people who cannot change.

I have an even better recipe- one drop of Tamiya x-20a, two drops of Acrylic Medium and two drops of paint.

I have been thinking of breaking into the basing video game.

Love the beakies!!

I also remember buying them back in the 90s, and I'm apparently super old so there you have it 🤣

@@EternalQuestion me too. We're not old, we're veterans

@@EternalQuestion So not just old - but Super Old!! - at least we're super something!!

Yes we're old, and despite our decades of experience we get no respect from the newer hobbyists

I was thinking this exact thing! They are 2nd ed marines and genestealers…. Was this a reprint they did out of some early nostalgic sensibility?

Oh man. Oh oh oh oh oh my. Love for the lore too, for that wonderfully worded Emperor "quote". Dude you earned a sub based solely on your personality.

I should try that, everything Tamiya I've bought has been good.

Meh. Ham is delicious. You should EMBRACE the HAM.

gotcha so it's more notting-PORK not notting HAM

We folks across the pond eat way too much pork so the emphasis on the last syllable is probably cholesterol-based LOL

And according to Connor from the Trash Taste podcast, Brits like to complain about everything as well😁. Can you confirm or deny?

@@AluminiumRabbit I'm English and can confirm this.

I think they were the mid 90's starter box sculpts for the marines. If not, they're just like I remember them.