It may hold two less rounds, but for concealed carry I like the shorter grip length of the Hellcat. If shooting iron sights I like the U-notch set-up of the Hellcat. Perhaps not as long range accurate, but they help these old eyes pick up the sight picture faster. The extra velocity with the Hellcat is also a bonus, as is the lower price. Both good choices.
Sig X “comp” Macro = $820 while the Ported Hellcat Pro is about $620, what a wild price disparity, pretty easy choice for me considering that there was very little difference between these 2 tbh lol with the extra $200 saved I’d just swap the trigger out and get extra ammo for the hellcat
I prefer the grip on the macro and the plethora of options to modify it. But the hellcat is a good firearm. I already have a og 365 so mag interchangeability is nice backwards. To each their own.
The main selling point for me is the FCU. I have an xmacro comp slide on a 10 round P365 Wilson combat frame with the weights installed. It's conceals well and it's pleasant to shoot.
It makes sense if you already invested in it. Otherwise I prefer 300$ less but I have to say I could buy one from HS Produkt instead of Springfield if that is a concern.
@@Bc-mj9hg fire control group. Sig serialized the fire control so that it interchangeable with different frames and slides without having to purchase an additional pistol.
Your assessment on AAC ammo was spot on. First time I got some 9mm 115 gr every round felt like +P. Then I shot the AAC 10mm and it made S&B's 10mm feel like 40 S&W.
I so totally agree. Weapons today are so well engineered that maybe for the first time ever we can "preference", honestly, our choices. I like the old saying .... "There is no such thing as a bad gun. Just some are better than others". Great video as usual. Thank you. 🙂
I have the Sig X-Macro Comp (with a Radian Backstrap/Magwell) and like that set-up. I only have the Hellcat Pro but wouldn’t mind trading up to the Comped model. That being said, the Hellcat is super comfortable in a Crucial Concealment AIWB holster. The Hellcat Comp would be my choice…!
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I just got my hellcat pro comp and shot about 350 rounds through it today. As someone who has had a 43x which was way too snappy, I wanted something a little bigger and better. Sat in the gun store with the macro in 1 hand and the hellcat in the other. Both felt great, but I went with hellcat. I’m very happy with it. It’s all preference though
I have the Micro Dagger C1 with the green slide/ black frame. It’s a decent, reliable pistol. It’s hard for me to notice an advantage to the comp’d slide. It is very versatile too, as I bought and assembled a custom 43x slide setup with a comp’d barrel instead of the comp’d slide of the c1. I also slapped a Shield SMS2 Optic and a CMC trigger. Sweet little pistol
I purchased the Hellcat Pro Comp and installed a Viridian green dot optic. I went with the Hellcat over the Sig and Shadow Systems. Shoots very well and like the way it feels in my hand. Sig was a close 2nd for me.
Well I'm already a big Hellcat fan since I do have a Hellcat OSP in my carry rotation, and have had it about 3 months and I put over 1,200 rounds through it at the range and not a single Jam and have gotten pretty good with it for a micro pistol, so the Hellcat already gets bonus points with me and while I have shot sigs, I have never owned one. But I've already seen a lot of reviews of both and most of the reviewers leaned towards the Hellcat Pro Comp. I'm sure I'll get one one day hopefully in the near future to replace my other carry gun that I carry going to Big stores.
Tried both of these out and I know Sig guys won’t wanna hear it but W for the hellcat pro comp. Just bought one yesterday for my edc. I thought it would be a tougher choice
exotic shot gun load, not pistol ammo, the issue was the point of the projectile can make contact with the primer of the other shell in a tube mag causing a boom.
I have the x-macro with an upgraded mcarbo flat trigger. Only about 500 rounds through it so far. I do have an XDm 40 though and am very much considering the Hellcat pro comp.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions on better velocity with the longer barrel of the Hellcat. Having a P365 as well as a P365XL I would choose neither. I also have a Shield Plus 4" ported barrel that shoots like a dream, as long as you don't have an optic on it. Having an optic creates 2 problems: 1) Carbon fouling of the window, & 2) A huge increase of stovepipe malfunctions as the empty casings bounce off the optic back into the chamber. Both problems are due to the placement of the optic right over the breech face. The oval grip of the Shield Plus really helps create a tight grip on the pistol better than other pistols & the porting helps about the same as comps to suppress muzzle rise & felt recoil. Accuracy is noticeably better, most likely due to its superior trigger, fiber optic sights, & grip shape & texture of the Performance Center model. Shoots similar to my CZ P10C (2nd Gen) which I also have great respect & love for.
A request: Can you repeat that chrono test, but this time run the comped vs non-comped version of each gun. I'd like to know the velocity loss due to the use of the compensator / porting / reduced barrel length.
Thanks for doing the video! I went with the xmacro :D I honestly like your compare videos than other people. I also enjoy listening to you more than other people keep up the good work, brother.
Big fan, really like your content. With all the new ported options out for carry guns, do you think you could do a side by side comparison of a couple ported/comped and non ported/comped options to show the difference of sound level at the ear? It might be great to have a nice shooting ported gun for practice and follow up shots, but if it makes your ears bleed is it really worth the potential of damaging your hearing.
it's really challenging to capture and convey in a visual context. Even the DB meters I've used haven't really adequately conveyed the felt experience of one versus the other. In general - comps aren't as loud as ports but comps are louder than a traditional barrel.
The shop didn't have a Hellcat Pro comp, so I went with a Hellcat Pro with threaded barrel and bought the external comp like the RDP has. I can't really justify the P365 Macro Comp price. Paid $665 for the HCP and the comp, I can't get the P365 Macro comp for less than $825. If I add a Holosun the HCP will cost a smidge more than base Macro comp. With medium to smaller hands the grip is pretty good for me to get the proper hold, and I like the slightly longer barrel.
I already have a regular HC Pro and thinking about doing the Springfield 4.4 inch threaded barrel with the RDP comp as well. I’m thinking the extra length will carry alright with less grip “tip out” , at least for me. So questions would be how does it carry for you and how much softer shooting is your HC Pro now?
I have a Hellcat Pro Comp and a SW Performance Center Shield 2.0. I like the SW better. Much better trigger!!! Great little pistol. Hellcat Pro not bad but trigger sucks.
So they always said the Hellcat Pro was snappy that’s what the consensus was. Comp with hole in barrel probably a better design than comp slide with short barrel. I’d like to shoot the Hellcat but I’m just not interested enough to add it to my lineup…That sig Fuse is my next firearm of interest. Great vid as usual David. Thanks for your time.
I believe I'm in the same boat as you, with what I've seen so far about the Fuse. Even considering not carrying my G19 as the Fuse seems to be the better option. I've never liked the Glock grip angle....on ANY of them.
@@williamguillIII I have 3 sig fuse coming in tomorrow for customers one will be for myself and Gun review. I’m excited and will hopefully have a video soon on my experience.
@@gravelpit557 they definitely give u the gun piece by piece to keep them sales coming in…I agree I’m getting to a point now where I know what I need in the guns I run..they all have a purpose. For a carry gun I like a reliable basic setup with capacity and conceilabilty. They gonna add a steel grip maybe they may add a slide with comp maybe..that’s how sig does. The great thing is they let u part the guns out also on the site. It’s all about what you want on your gun. My comp guns are more for range and match use. That’s just me. I do sometimes carry an XR920P which I run alot of drills and range work as well but it’s not my primary carry
I understand that but a fundamental misunderstanding of how the product performs (NATO+ velocities marketed as target velocities ) and using dodgy components are two tell tale signs of a lousy ammo plant
Why would you even carry the "comp/ported" version of any of these? Its only 9 mm i would prefer having the 3.7" barrel length of the regular macro and train a bit to get used to it. From there on you can shoot the hell out of that thing.
I went with the Macro,but put in MCarbo trigger and springs, titanium firing pin and spring. Really helps trigger pull make it much more controlable gun
If nothing else, that spicy range load should be a good simulation for carry ammo practice. Both guns did well. Funny how sometimes a gun which feels better still doesn't perform better. How would you feel about the Rost Martin vs these? I expect with the comps, these will run a bit flatter, but other than that? The size & weight are actually fairly close...
I’m convinced the p365 “integrated comp” slides only exist because Sig is trying to make use of all their old short original p365 barrels that are likely over stocked. No one wants the originals anymore so they had to find a way to still sell them.
it makes sense from a manufacturing perspective - they are already making the shorter barrels - but they get added functionality with the new slide. It's not as robust as a full length barrel + a comp or + real ports - but it does work as advertised - whether it's exploitable or not is another question that I try to answer in another video I did recently - bottom line is all the ports and stuff do is provide a little stability when running at the limit - it won't make you shoot better.
Hellcat, all day, for a wide variety of reasons, not the least of which being that velocity difference. Also I hate the "slide comp" thing. It feels lazy, sub-optimal, but if you don't think about it it makes sense, and some people think it looks cool. Also having shot several hellcats and several 365s, I shoot the hellcat better, I like it better in the hand, I like the trigger better, etc etc etc. in short, IMHO the hellcat only lacks the grip modularity, but honestly it doesn't need it because it's a better gun in every way, AND it's cheaper.
I've always seen the Sig comp as a gimmick. It's a 3.1" barrel. Yes, the cut slide diverts gasses up, but there's no additional barrel to continue to stabilize and guide the projectile. And what about lead fouling? Horrendous? I'll take the Hellcat's comped hammer forged barrel over Sig's slide cut comp. Plus all the Hellcats have the best grip texture of any edc pistol IMO.
@@brianmanning9271 And? Of course you'll see a reduction in recoil and increase in noise. Gasses are escaping up, helping push the muzzle down inches from your face. How many rounds have you put through it? Does the Sig design give you inconsistent results when firing from a rest up to 25yds because of the things I mentioned before? How does that compare to the Hellcat with it's more traditional comp? Lead fouling? The bullet doesn't travel down a smooth bore all the way and exits the gun. What does it look like after 50-100 rounds and how does it effect performance? Is the finish flaking off? Please elaborate how it's not a gimmick.
@@brianmanning9271 Not on a high horse. Just asking a few questions to a very articulate person like yourself. Didn't mean to ruin your romance with Sig. Sig still loves you.
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Hellcat pro mag is better quality than sig With little longer barrel and port on barrel not a short barrel with port slide give you a little faster bullet come in cheaper price Hellcat win in this comparing in my opinion
The 124 AAC is what I’ve been using at the range I go to as they are usually $25 a box of 50. Makes me feel better about my less than stellar performance now knowing how hot they seem to be. Should I just keep training with it or switch to a milder 115?
Springfield should make the hellcat pro with the echelon grip. The echelon feels so much better. Hellcat to me feels to much like holding a board and wears on my thumb knuckle.
100% agree, I ended up getting the Hogue grip sleeve for my Hellcat Pro because it was simply uncomfortable to shoot and train with. The grip sleeve adds some girth and actually makes the Hellcat Pro pleasant to shoot now, can't recommend it enough and it was less than $20 shipped from their website.
@shazmodeus2795 I also have that grip sleeve on my hellcat pro. It helps, but the hellcat is just uncomfortable to shoot. It's a carry gun, so it's very much a tool designed for purpose. But I think they could have done a little better in making it user friendly.
yes I have - it can be a challenge if someone is in the stall next to you - but if you're next to the wall and point it toward the corner it gets decent results. If nobody's on the range with you it works the same as it does outdoors. This was at a 25 yard indoor range.
Have you ever tried Tactical Triggers Inc kit for the P365s? I really like their little sear spring mod as well as the overtravel shim (but it’s pricey for tiny springs and a little slice of metal). I think the Macro is more comfortable but the shape of the HCP grip indexes better for me. Sadly, I think both are a hair large for carry (for me). So I stick to the 365X and CR920P or smaller (except for when I’m feeling fancy and carry my 80x, sometimes even with a 32ACP barrel/mag).
There is a non-pro version of the Hellcat that is the same size as the P365X, should your wallet be overflowing and your safe just has to have that spare slot filled.
Try the Wilson Combat grip module for your 365x. They make 2 different sizes for the Macro as well, and they will all work with your 365x. You may need to buy different mags/ swap base plates though depending upon what size module you want.
I am about 168 on my strong hand and 154 on my support hand - Charlie Perez can max out the 198 scale on mine with both hands. I would say that 125+ in both hands is starting to be enough
The Hellcat has a real compensator, the short barrel and kinda sorta slide compansator of the Sig shouldn't be as effective. Neither does it produce the same bullet velocity nor the same redirection of gasses that the real compensator does, given the same slide length. Also, slowing down the slide is kind of a meh idea in my oppinion.
No but it is real porting which is more effective than an unbaffled single chamber comp. Never thought I'd see the day I defend springfield 😂 @TimGrefer
Best advice. Use it. Master your grip. Work on being target focus. Doesn’t matter if you have a 500 or a 5000 or 8000 race pistol if you’re grip, focus, understanding of it works. Practice practice practice
200+ price difference between 2 very similar Pistols is key plus the extra velocity from the Hellcat is important with hollow points. Range ammunition to spicy said no man ever, your not a Blazer shooting Dad.
It’s time to put the p365 series to the side. It’s overpriced and has a few cons, more so than the pro. It seems the hellcat pro surpasses the x macro and will be considered the winner.
@@TheHumbleMarksman sorry for so many questions but how would you compare the recoil of the hellcat pro comp to a gen 5 Glock 19, and if you have any experience with it how would it compare with the Mossberg MC2C?
No experience with a Mc2c - but a wider gun with a longer slide will flip less than a skinnier gun with a shorter slide. A shorter slide will usually flip more than a longer one.
