Can The Best of Orient Beat The Seiko Marine Master Reduced? Orient Star Diver Vs. Seiko Glacier MMR 

Sadly I've seen a few Orients with alignment issues

@@allegedkurd Orient or Orient Star ?

@@laurentlefellic Both, sadly. Moreso Orient, obviously, since both my M-Force and Kamasu had issues.

It adds character!!

I don't have any orient watches so I can't comment on those. Except for some older vintage Seiko, most of my seikos are JDM. No alignment issues or quality control. Seems like Seiko sells the good ones at home.

That Squale looks awesome. I keep debating if I should try them at some point.

You are that guy!!!

I've thought about that in the past. As in could I figure out a perfect scoring system. Yet at the same time I didn't want to make it so complicated that people might have a hard time following. Maybe I'll think about it some more.

I'll take a look at them again. At first glance I thought they were about the same as the current divers with a different handset.

@@RelativeTime the Divers 1964 shares same movement with your OS but everything else is different, as in 1 step up. I think you'll enjoy reviewing it 😊

Totally agree the 1964 is around $1000 also so much closer in terms of price. The dial on the 1964 is stunning! Much more attractive watch imo

What kind of strap? Barton has some great hybrid and sailcloth straps.

@@RelativeTime Thanks Shane. I will check them out.

Factually, I completely agree with you, but somehow Seiko does have something magical. By chance I own a formex essence 39 and a Seiko sharp edge GMT; though they are completely different specwise; pricewise they are close. Is the formex the better built watch? It certainly feels like it-especially the bracelet. But something about this sharp edge is just *chef's kiss*, a quality I cannot accurately discern: is it the deep blue sunburst on the geometric hemp pattern? The salmon accents contrasting with said dial? is it the exquisite case finishing? No clue. Anyway, long story short: I started with microbrands, purely because of the value proposition (in all price segments) and uniqueness compared to the big brands. I then bought a King samurai manta ray to see what all the Seiko fuss is about-full expecting to dislike the trash tier bracelet-and well let us say that I am now looking at my third Seiko purchase and the King Samurai is still on its bracelet.

@anotherherodied I hear you. Seiko can make a serious dial. I just wish they'd address their quality. Aside from chronic alignment problems across their line, they use inferior finishing and poor design choices. I have the 150th anniversary MM300 (with the dark green dial) and it's clearly the best Seiko I've had. They made nearly all good choices...but for the bracelet. They used the 8R movement which is a Grand Seiko non-regulated movement, sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel insert, Diashield is perhaps my most favored feature of Seiko as it preserves the pristine look forever...but then we get to the bracelet. The bracelet on the surface, ticks all the boxes. It's finished nicely, tapered bracelet, design is carried from the watch to the bracelet, milled clasp, then we get to the on-the-fly extension. What in God's mind were they thinking when they designed this horrible feature? The extension is exactly the reason I chose the MM300 over the MM200 (IMO is visually more attractive with the Gilt hands). This extension is literally the worst attempt I've seen. It's made from stamped metal, when it's extended, you get to see all the ugly bits from the outside. It looks like the bracelet is coming apart when fully extended...and feels like it too. The best design feature (sarcasm) is that when you flex your arm/wrist too much, it auto-deploys..but doesn't retract. Perhaps their attempt at a Tudor Pelagos clasp? It's so bad, that I find myself not wearing the watch because of the bracelet. The King Samurai has all the good stuff too. I really like the line and have several (non-king) in my collection. The king is probably one of the best values seiko offers. I've been tempted many times to pick up the king, but then I look at all those misaligned dials and cheap choices Seiko makes in general. Then I look at the money I spent on my MM300 and in the end, I wear my RZE titanium scratch resistant, beautifully executed micro-brand (without an adjustable clasp) I spent $400 on over the $1800 MM300 every time.

@@markedfortime Man, sucks to hear! Especially at the price point of a MM300. I do hear rather lukewarm things about Grand Seiko bracelets too. Maybe bracelets is the one thing they should focus on ;) Any aftermarket options that can get you back to loving that MM300? Such a shame! Or do sell it and go for the MM200 instead. Nice to hear about the RZE btw, I have been interested in that brand for a while now, but never pulled the trigger because of... well... titanium :D

@anotherherodied yes...I should probably look for an aftermarket bracelet. I'm wearing my RZE right now. It is a fantastic watch and I can confirm the coating they apply to their titanium is excellent. I've abused this watch and once after a concrete incident, I didn't even want to look at the clasp..it is still like brand new! Super light weight and comfortable.

I'll make sure to compare them directly.

This OS has one of the worst bracelet, I do agree with you! I have more than 30 OS, and unfortunately this OS 200m diver, just didn't cut it for me....

@@jeonglee657 I heard that some aftermarket bracelets designed for other Orients will fit.

Yeah... at the time it slipped my mind. Longer story with that, but its something others have suggested. So I did go out and buy one. Here is the review. Honestly I'm mixed on it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dK3_g32_Cyo.html At this point I'm still debating if I want to do another VS video with it. With either the Glacier or the 1964. Or if I'm just done with it, and sell it.

@@RelativeTime Just watched your review on the 1964 really good review. I just both a orient star re-hk0003b00b from the contemporary range. Gorgeous piece and excellent value at around $600 on jomas shop. Its one of the few orient stars that has the F7 movement which is regulated much tighter to +15-5secs. Also has a more decorative movement is very slim only 10.8mm thick, small second hand and 50 hour power reserve. Recommend you checking it out would be great to see you do a review on it and haven't seen any proper reviews on the piece, real diamond find. Out of interest with orient star I often think because people associate them with value when they increase prices all of a sudden "it's expensive for an orient " but yet Seiko and grand Seiko have been increasing there prices for years. Often think if the exact same watch came out with an omega badge on it for 5 or 10 times the price people would be saying good value

I have other springbars that I use if I need.

@@RelativeTime any recommendations? I've got some 1.5mm thickness bars. They look good but alot of rattle (I'm concerned about the lug holes wearing out). Would like your thoughts on it

@@saswineey I usually order some off Amazon. I think Barton makes them. Or some of the straps I used with it are quick release. I wouldn't worry too much about the lug holes wearing out. When it's strapped to your wrist that should help with some of the rattle.

No, I didn't think it was a serious enough issue to send it back. Then I forgot about it.

Could you tell me about this recall?

@@skzion2 so in some (not all) positions, the bezel is able to move back one position (only one) with enough force. Now from what I've heard some are better then others out there. With mine I really have to apply some force for it to pop back. And I think it's only ever other position it does this.

@@RelativeTime Thanks so much for this crazily speedy reply in the dead of night.

@@RelativeTime here in Singapore, it was done quite smoothly by the AD...

I agree... Seiko needs to get off their ass and fix their QC. Otherwise, they will eventually lose the enthusiast market. I mean if they can't guarantee the quality of a $1000 watch, why would I trust them enough to ever buy a Grand Seiko.

I'll keep that in mind. Not doing it intentionaly, but I have found that sometimes if I'm doing something with my hands I tend to be more relaxed and I think that helps the overall flow when recording. Or at least if I'm having an off day, or having trouble saying a paticular part.

@@RelativeTime I find that you are perfectly articulate over the last few years that I've followed you. Just a recent aberration I guess...Love your work brother!

Sounds like a plan!

The Willard looks pretty good too. I was tempted, but ultimately wanted to go with a smaller case.

The 6r movements are a bit tricky to talk about. I know there are some that have major issues with them, yet I haven't heard a good reason as to what's specifically wrong with them. At least from a design standpoint from someone who really knows movements. For me, the real issue with the 6r series has to do with their accuracy. It's an upgraded movement from the 4r, but spec accuracy is the same. Now 10 years ago when you could pick up an Alpinist or a SARB033 for less than $500, not a big deal. While nowadays 6rs are starting at about a $1000, and buying a watch at that price and having it run at -20 sec / day is infuriating.

Exactly!

I'm traveling so hard to double check. But isn't that just the green version of this Pepsi? I think it's listed just above it on orient Japan's site. O and the Seiko is close to be fully aligned. It might be off by a degree, but you have to look close to see.

@@RelativeTime yes the green dial one is arguably the most popular one in this series. 😁

The green one is really striking. Is that the one Jody covered? I'm usually not a Pepsi guy, but I love the color scheme on this one.

@@RelativeTime Yes it is. 😀

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Seen it online, but not in person. I'll have to look into it more, but at first glance, it looks like it's just the regular diver with a different dial and handset. Some have said there are more improvements, but I'll have to look into it more to see if there really are.

Working on it. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Zmnml_FfaTY.html

@@RelativeTime That's the one ;)

I think they are related, but not necessarily the same. Like a nice dress watch is very wearable, but not necessarily as usable compared to a field watch. Although like I say at the end. I think the value in comparison videos are more in the discussion of the differences than any specific score.

@Relative Time you definitely put Orient Star on my radar. They have some really nice stuff.

It's how you tell it's real. 😎

true indeed

AnyGerman watch in particular you are thinking about?