Can the guy stay home while the woman works, according to the Bible? 

Sounds like you had the bad take

I'm reading the comments looking for the "bad takes" and I haven't found them yet. Are you deleting comments? I don't think you're calling constructive criticism bad takes b/c I'm believing the best about you, but it would be helpful to know what you're calling a bad take.

It’s probably because you’re white. White Americans are so far removed from real life that they think pencil pushing and talking to people is work. God-ordained work is physical labor and animal husbandry, something the industrial revolution has removed from the urban jungle

Maybe “biblical gender roles” should be a added video to women in min series?

Yea alot of bad takes in the comment section. Mike laid out his argument with different viewpoints and Biblical principles. Some takes in the comment are just going back to their traditions growing up. Godly council is the best solution for anyone not knowing what to do in that situation.

Amen

Sounds like typical role reversal to me

1 Timothy 5:8 "But if a certain man is not providing for his own family, and especially any members of-his-house, he has denied the faith and is worse than a faithless individual." 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you*, we were transmitting this message to you*, that if a certain man is not wanting to be working, do not even let him be eating."

@@XeenMusic And providing child care is doing exactly as that verse says. Good affirmation that this dad is doing something appropriate for a Christian man to do.

I would LOVE to pay off our home....AND to not be such a slave to the bills that tend to not care about what you signed up for and how the noose of the financial squeeze about who will you hold onto more as your Savior...Jesus? Gov't? Spouse? Mammon? I could have paid off our home in 5 years IF we were able to stay at our in-laws and built up the nest egg to pay in cash for a home...but no... I followed the ways of the world and signed up for a 30 yr mortgage and will pay interest first and end up paying more than 3 x for the house on paper.... we are definitely doing things wrong. Sorry Jesus. 😔

Same! Lol

Saaaame! One of my favourite YTers.

Yep!!

Great post. The impression I got from his tone that a stay at home mom did nothing. In Bible times, pioneer times, and today she brings her skills to make the family function at its fullest potential.

@@mattvanderford4920 I don't hear that at all. History certainly doesn't back up him having that kind of attitude, so idk maybe rewatch it.

Indeed. A lot of what people push as "biblical truth" is actually a pretty recent cultural development.

I thought he said just that: that having one income is a pretty modern conception post-industrial revolution. For most of human history, women have always worked.

This post seems to capture what the speaker missed. 1st he white washed the verses he addressed. Second he made it sound that the stay at home parent(wife) did nothing. Your scenario the heavy burdens like Adam were always on the man. And the around the home tasks were on the wife. I have a stay at home wife and we would be broke if she was in the work force. She pays the bills, she raises the kids (not child care) she homeschools, she manages so much that I can’t do during the working day. Satisfying the proverbs 31 passage as well as any other motherhood passage. While I do the back break labor job that maximizes the wealth we could bring. If she worked and we split duties home duties. I would have to work less. I would miss out on overtime. And other benefits. From my observation from the few neighborhood stay at home dads they do not contribute to a orderly household in any way. They basically play video games all day.

Is it there a cultural divide from the Bible to our current society?

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Where is she now?

@@DAce-vu5ct she struggled with bipolar disorder and sadly 10 years ago she took her life.

@@ThecrosseyedTexan I'm SO sorry. 😔

@@mrupholsteryman every marriage is unique and there are different circumstances. Thank you. I am disheartened by some of the comments I see here when people don't know the full back story to certain situations. Once again thank you sir.

That's a wonderful testimony and your wife is God given for a time such as this in your life. AMEN brother Mike Winger it's True that Men can be stay at home husbands and father's. I really appreciate his work in Christian Apologetics so thanks for uploading this video brother Mike Winger as this channel does great Christ centered and Scripturally accurate content for the furtherance of The Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏❤️. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't. 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How long did the brother work after the wife retired? I know that most couples can't retire at the exact same time, but I think that many would be unhappy it if they worked for many years while their spouse didn't. Taking care of the house is much easier in the modern era. Your brother shouldn't feel guilty for staying home since all of that was work. So he shouldn't feel like he has to work for a long time after his wife retired to "make up" for the time he was home with the kids since that time should count as work just as much as his work time should.

Bingo...the couple worked it out. 😊

@@greywolf7577 he loved the domestic work and spending the time with the children. He waz happiest baking and making meals. He did not feel guilty at all. His wife actually was relieved when they switched " jobs". His wife really liked her job. My brother, while staying at home, found he loved doing electronic repairs, etc. He found a job testng custom-made speakers, which had to be made to the customer's specs. Well, he worked until 69, until a few months before the cancer got too bad and passed away. I think they needed the space and on weekends, they did many activities together and enjoyed each other's company. They both found a way to make the changes in their life work out. Like any couple, they had their moments but over all, they were a couple that loved each other and kept up the communication and talked out any conflicts.

The twist🥰

​@@susanbender9323While on average a man prefer to work and women stay at home not everyone is wired the same. Some women may like being breadwinners and some men like taking care of the kids.

Thank you for this thoughtful and biblical response! I agree completely and even take it one step further... Grandmothering is an important task! Just because our children are grown, does not mean our involvement in their lives is over. Instead, it seems to me, it has only begun. My children seek my wisdom and my grandchildren are learning a great deal from me. I'm far from perfect with my advice to them, but having input into my grandchildren's lives is far better than any paycheck or "fun" activity imaginable.

So beautifully put!

I would agree. I do also believe that Proverbs 31 wants us to be productive at home, being able to sell items that the woman might be creating. In this way, she would be contributing financially. But this is kind of a natural part of her home-life. She is not centering her work anywhere, but on her family. And really, it's a great place to develop skills early on that can be financially beneficial later. Staying home does not have to be boring, unproductive or unfulfilling. God gave us gifts and we can develop skills. The sky is our limit!

@@wingabouts Yes, grandmothering is a joy and privilege! We older women at home have a lifetime of experience from which we can pull to serve others, including our grandchildren and now grown children. Our own childrearing days now over, we are at a stage of life in which we have the time to avail ourselves of the long list of possible ways to serve neighbors, friends, family, and the local church. This list might include cooking and/or baking for others, hosting a book club with quality titles, making gifts for others (crochet, sewing, knitting, etc.), mentoring young women, sharing a hobby with a young person, sending cards and encouraging notes, visiting the elderly or ill, praying for others, showing hospitality in our homes, etc. Let's number our days and redeem the time!

I absolutely love this and appreciate this so much! This message needed by so many women! Thank you❤️

It would be stressful

It won’t get better; your relationship sounds like my parents relationship. He will always feel entitled for you to work for him because he can

In this instance, you will need to have a hard talk w him. You can’t continue this way. Maybe you could both work art time jobs. Either way, he’s not contributing enough. You might have to tell him to do his fair share and if he doesn’t, then you will be cutting back your hours. There is no use in you getting burned out by doing two jobs.

I am so sorry to hear that! Do you have any godly people in your life that you can go to for wise counsel? I would suggest praying that God would change his heart. God can do miracles in marriages! I will pray for you! ❤🙏

I am so sorry to hear that! Do you have any godly people in your life that you can go to for wise counsel? I would suggest praying that God would change his heart. God can do miracles in marriages! I will pray for you! ❤🙏

I mean if both parents work 9-5 jobs, kid's in school. during summers, kid can either take care of himself or go to some summer org (ymca, camps, etc).

The school they go to.

The school isn't the best place to trust to raise your kids, especially nowadays.

@@jamesbacon1776 That's why you also send them to Sunday school

@@sirllamaiii9708 Yeah, and home school them if you can.

Appreciate the post. 15 years in my wife can still tease me about not seeing the mess. Paying the bills seems to be a consistent thing I see. When I read proverbs 31 and see how my wife (stay at home) just manages our personal budget and all that encompasses. I see a perfect biblical model illustrated.

Amen.

I agree. From what I’ve seen most women who work end up despising their husband who stays home. That’s just from my own experience. And even if scripture isn’t plain and clear about it I think it’s just something we know deep down in our conscience isn’t right.

Read Titus 2. Look at the world and ask if this is what it’s pushing? The world says all the problems we see are because of Christianity. If we aren’t flowing Gods commands and we see the problems we didn’t used to have except in a minority, then it becomes quite obvious. Children are not being raised by their parents. Strangers are raising them, abusing them, molesting them. And teaching them ungodly things. These things are happening even in religious institutions. Christians are living for the world and the things in the world. The Bible teaches the only things we need to be content with are food and clothing. And notice it doesn’t say a house either.

I had a similar experience. It was hard. I'm so glad God provided a way for me to stay home full time with my kids and that my husband is the provider now.

I think probably a lot of women feel that way, but I find it so attractive that my husband is supportive of my demanding career as an attorney and great with our kid. He isn’t staying home with our daughter right now, but I would be thrilled if he wanted to.

I actually had a couple bf's who did better at home, and me better in the workplace but due to the judgement and ridicule of an important family member whose influence effected me, I broke up with both of them after being continually told they were simply using me. I regret not deciding for myself, because even afterwards, I had a fiance who also was good at homemaking and nurturing but bad at working outside the home. It shouldnt lead to my being called masculine or foolish, and them being users or lazy, when it was simply lending towards each one's strengths.

praying for your healing !

@@devineshaw6646 thank you! I'm in remission praise God!

@@isaiahburridgemusic praise God!! happy to hear that

Isaiah. I disagreed with Mike I think he was almost calling stay at home moms lazy and brushed over some good passages. That being said. You are in a radical circumstance. Anything not called a sin is principally based. The principle is the man Carry’s the burden of putting food on the table. It doesn’t say if a man Is sick the wife sits around to watch him get worse. As Christians our goal is to lighten the loads of other Christian and you brother need to heal. Bless you.

Genuine question but why do people with life threatening illnesses feel the need to explain feeling guilty/trading roles, etc about a situation that is so obviously outside of your control? If you choose to have cancer so you can make your wife go to work while you go on disability, that is a different story. The whole topic for this video came up because the husband was adamant in choosing to not work and putting the responsibility on his wife. It's comparing apples and bananas here...

LOL!

May i suggest that you ask the Lord to reveal the meaning of these scriptures. Its pretty clear that ideally a women would take care of the home and the man would provide financially.

Bottom line... scripture based! I am reading comments and I am wondering are people really in tuned with what he said. He had to research scriptures!

@Prey R It's nature

It’s nature for a man to spread seed far and wide as possible. As Christians , we are spiritual beings, not to be of nature of this world.

Why?

@@arcguardian It was wonderful, and I think I could do a better job, and appreciate every moment more. I am very proud of what my wife accomplished, and I was able to do what I always wanted to, as a wfh architect.

I really resonate with you on this. I was also thinking about our basic biology. Women were designed to bear children and men are just physically stronger than women. That fits well with men working the more dangerous kind of jobs and women raising the kids. I think it is helpful to see a norm or a pattern while allowing for exceptions, but an exception merely proves the rule. And seeing the curse as related to our roles makes sense, even it is light evidence. The rest of Scripture makes a compelling case for our gender roles in marriage.

Frimpsy from Kumasi, I totally agree with you. The Bible does show clearly what is to be the role of the man and woman in a household, and the directive that is provided in the Bible is very natural, that even in pagan cultures from the past to present it still is predominantly the man's role to provide. That is why I think Paul says of the Christian man who fails to provide for his family is worse than an unbeliever. The only thing I see in this video is they are trying to find a way to challenge the status quo, reversing the role of the husband to the wife and vice verca while still affirming it as Biblical truth so as to appease consciences. They have failed.

He’s not overly cautious, just (as most men are) willing to overlook the obvious to make a convenient argument. It’s convenient that most men will never debate the need for women to submit to her husband no matter what, even if he’s mean, hurtful, not Christian, abusive, etc. Following her husband is what she has to do to please God, her reward is in Heaven for her suffering. But does the husband get held to similar standards in this traditional framework? Apparently not, as his role is still quite lenient. He’s the head of household, to be obeyed and respected no matter how much or little he contributes. Surely in this case, the men here would argue a woman must submit to her husband unequivocally despite him not providing and choosing to stay at home. Interesting how it all shakes out.

​@ninagrace-lee8323 as men we have a responsibility and will be held accountable if we fail. So im not sure how you think God's word is saying anything else.

@chandllerburse737 define what you mean when you say "fail as men" please.

Weaker..more soft, more nuturing, women's brains even pick up on more facial cues than men's..more in-tune with people and their emotions, God made us to take care of the children, to form that bond with them from infancy thru nursing that only women can do..which all-important will set the template for their psychological health for the rest of their life

Hi Rachel. I had ambitions like you... but then I held my baby in my arms and all of my priorities, wants, needs shifted. I only say that to point out that when one is at a distance from something - like getting married or having kids - the person tends to have all these ideas of what will be, only to have them change in the situation. I homeschool my 3 kids and it is so satisfying to put my creativity towards that... My point in commenting is not to say one way or the other is better or proper, but rather just highlight that shift that can take place when one is actually in the situation. God bless!

“To only raise kids…? Lol 🤦‍♀️. As a woman who vowed selfishly to never have kids because it would interrupt my plans, I can attest to you now, (3 children later) being a mother and mom is the most important and honorable job on the planet. It is also the most underrated and thankless job on earth too. Our world is in the position it is because of this “ me me me” attitude especially from women. I also did residential and commercial cleaning before children. I had a chain of daycare centers. Please! Parents do not send your kids to daycare’s! I could write a book on the horrors I saw!

@@fergiefergie5759 I've cut my hours from work to stay at home so I dont have to put my first born in a daycare.... this has made me feel a bit better about my choice lol Glad to see I'm not the only one worried about daycares

@@metrojohnny I had my husband help me at the day cares on a few occasions while I was pregnant He said to me multiple time’s “ I wouldn’t let me child walk around in here in a snow suit”. He also vowed he would clean toilets in McDonald’s as a third job if he had to to allow me to stay home. Honestly, the stories I could tell 😓

Yes! And also I think overall, people should realize women do have gifts that need room to pursue too. So God gives us gifts in specific industries and places and wants us to throw them all away and not use them once we get married? At the same time though, many are called to be stay at home parents (many of which are moms) and there is NOTHING wrong with that. Women should feel empowered to stay at home. Dads too if they are called by God to do so. Either way, we have to stop boxing people into what WE think is the right thing to do and let God instruct them on what to do. There’s no right “model,” except the model of hearts pursuing Jesus.

Go Papa! ☺️

I work with a guy who’s wife is a physician. He stayed home while their kids were growing up and now works part time and still takes care of everything in their home. Sometimes that is what is best for a family. They were able to raise their kids rather than a daycare.

Lol no one said women can't breast feed. Do you have a problem with women who use breast pumps?

@@arcguardian of course not:)

Plus, the act of nursing provides more than milk. It provides a bonding experience for a mother and her baby.

Exactly. God created physical and emotional differences between men and women. To ignore that men and women have specific roles (that may manifest differently) is to pretend that men and women are exactly the same. Pretty disappointed in Mike Winger in this.

@@abigailf857 Right. While the Christians are condemning the spirit of the world's transgenderism, they've already been conquerer by it right in the church in such ways as you describe. I am man. And these men are an embaressment, who would rather their woman work and them stay at home, while she is already physically and emotionally responsible for bearing children for 9 months, giving birth, nursing and raising them... A woman also goes through a monthly period when she's not pregnant for 1 week a month. This is not a pleasant time. It's a shame that a man would be okay with letting his wife go when she should be resting during that time. If a man cannot support his family on his current job, he needs to search for a better one or work more hours. No man should put his wife into a position that she feels even the slightest bit tempted to work. Also, by her working, most jobs work around men in very close proximity that is completely inappropriate for a married woman. God has a mandate for the man, that is he does not provide for his own family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. The women does not have this responsibility. Her mandate is to make children, work at home, and take care of the home (also be sober and sound-minded, and shame-faced, and silent, and tranquil). (P.S. Any man that would be okay with woman being drafted into the military, is a shameful coward. And any man that sits home while his wife is drafted into the military, is not worthy to be called a man.)

God's plan, Amen brother

The exception PROVES the rule...not the other way around. Everyone in these comments seems to be trying to explain their reasons for being the exception.

What evidence is there that only one income is God’s plan?

@@ih82r8 "But if someone doesn't provide for their own family, and especially for a member of their household, they have denied the faith. They are worse than those who have no faith. 1 TIMOTHY 5:8 If you do not love and care for your family, especially your immediate family, then you are denying your faith in God. In scripture, this is worse than not believing in God at all.

@@RUT812 I don't think you understood my comment.

I'm sorry to hear that. You should have pointed him to the scriptures: 1 Timothy 5:8 "But if a certain man is not providing for his own family, and especially any members of-his-house, he has denied the faith and is worse than a faithless individual." 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you*, we were transmitting this message to you*, that if a certain man is not wanting to be working, do not even let him be eating."

@@XeenMusic Thanks!!!

@@XeenMusicits sad to see you copy and paste the verses but not know them. I will pray for you brother.

Tell them your dad already won his bread. He's retired.

@@lkae4 I've been looking for the concept of "retirement" in the bible, did you manage to find it somewhere?

@@XeenMusic Just gonna pop into say this, we can practice concepts that are not stated in The Bible so long as they don't go against Biblical teachings. Driving is never mentioned in the Bible but we can still drive cars. I don't really understand your point to be honest.

@@CharlieKraken Can you show me where it says that a man is suddenly except from these bible commands once he reaches a certain age: 1 Timothy 5:8 "But if a certain man is not providing for his own family, and especially any members of-his-house, he has denied the faith and is worse than a faithless individual." 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you*, we were transmitting this message to you*, that if a certain man is not wanting to be working, do not even let him be eating."

@@CharlieKraken This guy appears to be a works-based modern Judaizer. Be careful. But they are everywhere so it's good to learn to to engage and expose them.

I cringe when I hear “the man must be the provider.” First of all, God is the only provider. Secondly, circumstances change quickly in life. As long as both of you are working EQUALLY hard in whatever the Lord has called you to do, I see no issue in WHAT it is that you are doing. Each of us must obey the will of GOD & not the will of man. God has given me the grace & gift & calling to do X,Y,Z & He’s given my wife the grace & gift & calling to do X,Y,Z. Who are WE to tell GOD what HIS will should be for us? We belong to HIM. There is no biblical evidence that suggests HOW one is to labor, only that we must ALL labor. IF you believe men are the only ones qualified to be apostles, pastors, teachers (the more time consuming offices of authority in church) then it would actually make MORE sense for the wife to support the husband financially so as not to be a burden on the church. That is just an OPINION. I’m not saying it as Bible fact or command of the Lord.

@@JC-li8kkMen are obviously meant to be providers. That's primary to their part in humanity. Of course God provides but he uses human agents to do a lot of that, and that largely includes men.

um that just means you have a trust issue. Not "every body" is a sexual temptation. Please.

@Prey R so you are saying women are more likely to cheat than men? And I'm not sure what "statistics" you are referring to.

@@rachelm9350 There are many immodest women who dress seductively, so women definitely are wanting attention and bringing attention to themselves. Those women are tempting men and exposing themselves to lust which can lead to adultry.

@@rachelm9350 women are more likely to cheat, stop being offended by that. Idk why so many of you women continue to argue that women don’t, when even women expose women on this, and it’s clearly obvious for multiple reasons

​​@@rachelm9350 there is a good book called the anatomy of an affair. I believe thats what it's called. Affairs are far less likely to happen with the proper guardrails, but in today's culture, those guardrails are just about impossible unless you work in a Christian ministry. Having men and women work together when they're not married to each other can be dangerous. Some places (MANY of them) require you to have meetings with people of the opposite sex, alone. Sometimes you have to "open" or "close" a store with them, alone. Any of us can fall, and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. @Prey R is right.

We also already have a terrible lack of emotionally and spiritually available fathers. I think what Mike is advocating for in this video is to avoid "one size fits all" solutions like your comment above. Perhaps this should be the norm, but nothing in scripture leads me to believe that it's a universal mandate.

Either the mother or father can fill such a role. That problem comes more down to who is teaching the kids in the first place. We live in a society where people rely on public schools and babysitters to raise their kids instead of being there themselves. The real issue isn't one parent or the other neglecting teaching their kids one thing or another, the issue is that it's become a societal norm that _both_ parents don't parent their children, be it out of personal convenience or actual economic pressure. You want kids to be raised properly? Raise them yourselves. You're the parents, not the world. Start homeschooling, quit giving your kids over to random people you don't know, and raise them yourselves. Only then are you gonna be able to teach them about the world, and only then are you gonna pass on the lessons you've learned. Only then will your values be passed on to your children. Quit giving them out to be raised in a system full of political activists, their anti-Christian worldviews, and the groomers they enable and allow to be around your kids.

Amen 1000x bless you

Yep and telling them to stay home and send their wife to work is aiding that. I’ve never ever heard the interpretation that men AND women are to provide for their family. That seems to be heavily influenced by Western culture.

If we want to go off of secular influence, study after study in the secular world has shown that children are better off being with their mother at home than father or grandparent. I’ve seen studies on obesity rates, and behavior and several other studies that all compared children raised by those three different people and they also showed improved outcomes with children that were all home with a stay at home mom. Obviously there are going to be extenuating circumstances. Husband is injured or I’ll, etc. But that shouldn’t be the norm. Are men just as good at nursing a baby as a mother for instance? That’s ridiculous to say a father can do anything a mom can. This isn’t to disparage fathers at all. Just to say they should be working. And I’ve never heard the scriptures twisted like this before.

This is sadly true... These are comments from a completely SECULAR individual: While immigration too plays a role here, the only significant effect native women have when they enter the labor force in greater numbers is to depress the price of labor. Unlike immigrants, they don't bring in new consumption to help mitigate their wage-depressing effects; the reason real hourly wages peaked in 1973 and have been falling ever since is because that was the year that the number of men younger than 20 and older than 65 leaving the labor force was surpassed by educated, middle-class women entering it. One-third of working class women have always worked. The change brought by feminism is that now middle class and upper middle class married women work as well. And the more women that work, the more women have to work and the less time women who don't work will have with their husbands who support them, because an INCREASE in the SUPPLY of labor necessitates a DECREASE in the PRICE of labor, demand remaining constant. And to make matters worse, demand does not remain constant, but actually declines, because a woman who works is statistically much less likely to eventually become a wife and mother, and even when she does, she becomes one several years later and has fewer children. This means that feminism is a structural economic failure as it creates a downward-spiraling vicious circle of three easily identifiable revolutions: The increase in the supply of labor causes wages to go down. This is indisputable in either logical or empirical terms. Female hypergamy, female independence, and opportunity cost reduces the marriage rate and the average birth rate, while increased male work hours and work-related romantic opportunities increases the divorce rate. These connections are all logically sound and readily observable. The reduced birth rate has a negative effect on consumption, and therefore the demand for labor, 20 years before the consequent negative effects on the supply of labor can help balance it out, putting further negative pressure on wage rates. This is also indisputable, both logically and empirically.

Totally Agree!

Poverty was the natural reason. Single income households are a luxury. Luxury isn't sin.

Or better job staying at home playing video games.

@@FlusteredFartana sounds like part of the problem.

No! You are a real man! Believe that. You worked it out with your wife. You sacrificed...a man of God.

I agree. God created women as a helpmate, not leader or provider. Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.”

@@des711 Even in the Old Covenant, a woman/wife could earn money. It was totally fine. Buying land, totally fine too. She makes fine linen and sells it, and delivers sashes to the merchant. She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard. -excerpts Proverbs 31

@@user-iz8np3vv4i Yes. Scripture says she can earn money, buy, and sell, but it doesnt say she is a slave, servant, or employee. She is wise with finding food and household things. She sells and trades at the market, could be what she made, grew, or old items she no longer needs. She buys and sells property, which she uses to grow crops. What is a husband supposed to do? Would be easier if there is a proverbs for men. What are they to be doing? I work full time, do majority of housework, shop for houshold goods and groceries, I stayed up throughout the night with the kids, and be there when I can when not at work, I budget, and pay bills, and be a wife. It is a struggle. It is tiring, and I am going to God for help.

​@@user-iz8np3vv4i Does the Proverbs 31 woman have a boss? Oh, it's her husband!

@@randyfleischer6588 She either has her own money and can do as she wishes with it, or has family money and can do as she wishes with it. She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard. She stretches out her hand to the poor; yes, she reaches forth her hands to the needy. She makes money: She makes fine linen and sells it, and delivers sashes to the merchant. Also: The heart of her husband safely trusts in her, so that he will have no lack of gain. Also: For her worth is far above rubies. I don't see the man being the boss here. What I do see is an extremely valuable woman that is making money for herself and her husband and children.

I agree and this is why I stay home with my kids. I am thankful to do it. I can do volunteer work if I feel I need to work away from home. God will bless this. Of course, some women really do need to work, but it is too common to say that two incomes are needed. We just want more stuff! Myself included.

The question wasn't about the traditional model, it was to determine the biblical model. They are not one and the same. Biblically speaking there is no one size fits all. Even with ur advice, you are assuming liberties and luxuries others may not have access to.

That is factually incorrect. Single-worker housholds have been the extreme rarity throughout human history, and they are not the Biblical example. There is no reason to attempt to force a biblically-unrequired and unrealistic model on people, especially when some people really are not economically able to pull it off. This just puts extra guilt and stress on people who are trying to do their best. If you have the *luxury* of being able to pull off this "only men work" model and you feel led to do so, more power to you. But it's neither universally economically viable nor biblically mandated. I strive to live by the Bible, not Leave it to Beaver. Have you ever read Proverbs 31?

Especially teen years dad is required the most

As a homeschooling mom I too struggle to feel validated in my work with my children. You are not less of a man or husband for working at home! You’re doing the Lord’s work and raising your kids to know him. Your good works at home were laid out by God for you to do. Ephesians 2:10 Well done!

Read all of 1 Corinthians 7 Don’t go into marriage thinking it won’t come with any trouble because it does.

Never?

We are.

Depends on the circumstances.

There's probably more to the situation than you think you know. Her "focus" should be whatever God entrusts to her, not ur one size fits all idea of a household. If she's wrong, trust me ur hyper legalism won't convince her.

@@arcguardian I simply commented based on the given information, and allowed for the fact that a woman caring for her home and family doesn't look the same for everyone, so I'm not sure where you got the impression I have a one-size-fits-all idea of a household. In fact, I think it can be a wonderful (and biblical) thing for a woman to make money for her family in a way that also supports her role as the keeper of the family and home. But as I said previously, we take too many liberties in this area. We convince ourselves that women being away from their homes and families for the majority of their time is okay, or more than that, even somehow godly. I don't intend to make this a legalistic issue. I don't think a woman's salvation depends on this. But I do think God has told us how He wants us to live, and we should be happy to seek His will and live as faithfully toward it as possible.

@@arcguardian Lol, and how do we know what God has entrusted to her? By the Word. If she has children, that’s what God has entrusted to her (Titus 2:1-6), same thing if it’s a house, husband, utilities, etc. proverbs 31

And the ironic thing is that they weren't nearly as enslaved to their work as we are, today. 40 hours are a minimum requirement for us. Maternity and Paternity leave are a rarity. In those days, the family could plan and arrange their own time off. They didn't always have to work a specific number of hours. And if you're spending 40 or even 60 hours working, it's better to do it with and for your family, on your own land, in a field of real earth that you can feel with your own hands, than to do it in an office full of strangers, banal sounds, in a stagnant air-conditioned room. The economy is something that people overlook when they think about how we should behave as Christians. I am of the opinion that a wage-based economy is a bad thing because it forces people to work for strangers, on strangers' land, for the sake of strangers' families. For this reason, I love small business freedom and hate corporations. Careers should serve the lord, then the family, then the self, and finally they should serve the employer if there's any left over. Modern American corporo-fascism inverts this hierarchy.

@@josephbrandenburg4373 firstly, "corporo-fascism" takes it WAY too far. Second, if you're working for yourself before your boss, you're not behaving in a Christian way. Small business is great, and corporations can be evil, but there's also a lot of people whose lives have improved drastically because someone with more money than them gave them a job. The lie that bosses just exploit workers comes from people more exploitative than anyone they decry. I look at it like this: the .0001% have convinced the 99% that the 1% is their enemy.

@@josephbrandenburg4373 Actually, if you look at the underdeveloped societies, they work way more than we do. What you describe is almost subsistance living, and it requires a TON of work compared to what modern jobs do. It may have allowed more flexibility at times in terms of what hours of the day you worked. But that's about it. "Modern American corporo-fascism inverts this hierarchy." *Immediately remembers Jesus' parable about the day laborers receiving the same pay working on someone else's land for their wages...corporate fascism* Yeah, that's not a modern American thing. It is the increase in technology followed by automation that allowed modern societies to get away from having huge portions of their society devoting their time to working the land. I get where you're going. Just disagree this is something new or that life was somehow easier. It isn't and it wasn't. The difference is that fewer people now live off the land (when you have a large portion of your society farming for everyone, they can live off their own produce). Now that only a small percentage of society really does the farming, more have shifted into what you are describing, but I would argue it has always been there for anyone not directly working the land (Paul, for instance, was a tent maker). The industrial revolution may have seen the establishment of large corporations, but it was exactly that establishment that eventually lead to the improved lifestyles we have today. Corporately people are more efficient. Knowledge and resources are shared which allows better production and R&D. This allowed huge leaps in technology, standard of living, and life spans. I agree that corporations can be abusive nor are they necesarily ideal (by far no human system is perfect), as many jobs people could do from their homes (carpenters, blacksmiths, etc). But what government under any system in all of history hasn't been?

@@TommyNitro Yeah, I was thinking about the parable, too. But Jesus wasn't telling us how to run an economy there, he was telling us that God has the right to save us regardless of how we have worked, regardless of how long we waited for him. He was telling us about the kingdom of God, not giving assent to an economic system. I'm not condemning wage labor in its entirety, anyways. I do not deny that we've gained some things since then. I do deny that they have to work harder in the absolute sense (meaning: working for someone else, on someone else's terms, with no flexibility, in a strict, rigid financial system with laws and red tape at every turn; this is harder than physical labor. They didn't commit suicide then like we do today.) Jesus wasn't telling us how to work in that parable, anymore than Job was advocating for a flat earth in its poetic deacriptiok of creation. God set up an economic system in the Bible, though, in which he gave land to his people and made laws to keep it in their hands. He established their posterity with land. And he commanded them never to take interest when they lend. He commanded them never to withold from their neighbor, but to lend generously, even when the year of Jubilee was at hand. He established the year of Jubilee to set slaves free and forgive debts. He commanded owners of fields to leave the gleanings for the foreigner, the widow, the fatherless. Obviously we don't have to live like ancient middle-easterners. But God's ways are good, and his laws are beautiful. We should still meditate on them when we rise and as we walk along the way and when we sit down to eat. If only we had learned something from God's way of building the economy, we would have avoided the pain we're going through now. My criticism is mostly not for the government, save that it permits and protects many of these bad behaviours (for example, by giving ususers the right fo send collection agencies after you for interest on loans). I am most interested in criticizing the people who are heartless and the ones who approve of them because they hope to be in the same position someday. You can't serve God and money.

@@DiggitySlice I work for God first. my family next, then myself (as the head of my family). After that, I can do charity for others. Working for myself first is part and parcel to working for my family above all other human beings. If you think we don't live in a corporo-fascist state... well, don't research Blackrock. Don't check Nancy Pelosi, her husband, or Dan Crenshaw's stock market gains. Make very sure not to research Disney's involvment in the evolution of copyright law. Avoid reading anything about Pfizer, the WHO, and the CDC.

I have 8 kids and to give them a good life, I stay home with them. I make it my job to save money wherever I can. In my case, I know I can save a lot more money than I can make. I feel like there is more peace and calm in the home this way. I couldn't handle going out to work too. So true about the role models. They also need an example of a good marriage. I understand that every situation is different, but 7 kids means there is all the more work and reason to be home.

I second all three

Avoiding conflict by keeping your mouth shut is the wisest thing to do. I don’t agree with some comments here, but I respect their answers. From what I have read so far, I have not seen a debate here between Christians who speak with firmness, wisdom, but also with respect and humility

I agree, but would add a further scenario. Where the husband stays at home because he doesn't want to work. I know of at least two couples where the woman works and pays for everything because the men want to chase vanity projects

This was kind of the issue my husband's brother and wife had. She had a high paying career, and he hadn't gotten that far when their daughters came along. He stayed home while they were small. However, he was actually the more nurturing parent personality wise. He was more patient and creative. During that time it gave him more time to get some handyman projects done on their aging house as well. So, while some of her motives may have been somewhat selfish, it actually worked out for their family in the long run. He passed away before 45, so it was good that he had that time with his daughters.

I agree. Mom's take care of kids. They are in charge of children.

You are funny.

Truth!

Agree!

Ur saying both should work, but only women should keep. What verse is that?

@@arcguardian Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. The point is you HAVE to define "keepers at home". I think it is culturally defined, but there are definite duties of the wife AT HOME. I have problems with the "stay at home dad" model because there is almost no way to define "keeper of the home" without breaking the model. (There are obvious exceptions, but they should be the exception, not the rule.)

Amen!

Find me a Christian man who wants his son marrying a woman he has to take care of. I certainly wouldn't. Marriage is supposed to be a partnership.

If I had a son looking to marry and would tell him in today's world a Christian man should think very long and very hard if he wants to get married at all. You can see here that as the man you can end up with a very raw deal. You are required to love when you are not loved, sacrifice without anything in return, support the family even if she doesn't, support her if she works, support her if she doesn't. If you do not you are a deadbeat. Husbands in media and entertainment are basically the butt of jokes and stupid. Then in return good luck finding a wife that even comes close to uttering the word submit (obey forget it). This is why so many men are no longer getting married. Most westernized women are not marriage material. BTW I have been married to one good woman for 23 years so you can't say I don't know anything.

@@JM-jj3eg Women is man's Helper, not his partner. His role is the protect and provide for her, her role is not to provide and protect him.

@@JM-jj3eg here I am

Nice comment!

I agree with your comment with 1 exception. Living on a single income is not a luxury, it is a choice and a sacrifice.. We live on a single income and have learned to live within our means. We don't take big vacations, though we also don't just sit at home and never do anything fun. We eat out not at expensive restaurants and we order water and only a couple times a month. I have learned to shop and budget for our groceries and stock up when meat is on sale or whatever. We don't do name brand right off the rack, we shop at thrift stores where we get nice brand name clothes at a fraction of the cost. We buy used cars. I know we are so much better off than some who even work 2 jobs but we certainly are not living in luxury or even close. I think now a days many think that you HAVE to have 2 incomes but don't stop to look at what you can do without, what are not truly necessities but in fact are the luxuries that many single incomes families have learned to do without.

Thank you. I'm actually in a situation where working (I'm becoming a nail technician) and splitting chores would be much easier on me than staying home and taking care of the house. I live with chronic pain/lower energy because of a condition called hEDS. It's a very complex connective tissue disorder. The subtype that I have effects my joints, tendons and ligaments. People with this type are prone to dislocations and subluxations. My joints shift and sublux so frequently that it causes me a good deal of pain, the pain that I experience has been studied and deemed equally as bad as ALS or fibromyalgia. Because of how complex this disorder is, I have two comorbidities. In other words two separate conditions caused by this One condition. One of those is called POTS and it's an autonomic nervous system disorder. Upon standing up, my heart rate increases as my blood pressure drops, which can lead to me passing out. I also now have chronic tachycardia because it worsened roughly 5 months ago. Housework is very physical, bearing both of those conditions in mind, you can see how I couldn't take the brunt of it even if my POTS didn't worsen. People do need to chill and educate themselves both on God's word but also on how disabilities or a person's socioeconomic status can effect people and their living situations. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

@@melodyscarpitto310 I deal with the same condition. It is not easy! Lots of pain and fatigue. I used to teach preschool in my single mom years ( Not much choice in the matter when you are abandoned with three small kids, two on the autism spectrum) but when the Lord brought my husband into our lives ten years ago, a lot changed. I can't say I necessarily set out to be a stay-at-home mom at first but when I had baby number four, I began to recognize my condition was worsening. It was either pour my limited energies into my classroom or my home. My husband was and is, thankfully, a huge support. One of the big things he wanted from the get go was to take care of me and the kids. He emphasised that the burden of scrambling for income that had been on my shoulders so long was no longer mine alone. So...I left teaching and have concentrated on my kiddos, pacing myself day by day. I miss my class sometimes, but I find we each must do what works for our unique situation. Sorry for the ramble. I hardly ever see anyone else that knows about hEDS. Just wanted to offer my encouragement and prayers. Our God is a great sustainer. He's got you.

@@marisa5359 wow, I hardly ever hear of anyone having this disorder outside of Facebook groups dedicated to it. I'm really happy God brought someone into your life after being abandoned by your ex husband. I can't imagine the pain you went through. I'll pray for you tonight, I've been through some things myself and I know full well that scars and emotions can still linger even if a great amount of time has passed. I really appreciate the encouragement too, thank you. Life can get quite hard and discouraging at times with this disability

@@melodyscarpitto310 hi Melody. And Marisa. I feel for you. I do hope things get easier for you. I had a POTS-like phase but it seems better now, but I have multiple hormone probs and chronic fatigue, so I do understand. I’m blessed with a husband who understands when I’m feeling unwell, and fortunately he earned enough for us both. Now he’s retired he’s taken up doing his own laundry, and I felt ashamed, but he insists, to help me. And I need that help, I only have a few good hrs of activity in me per day. We’re a team. He has no idea how I produce a meal at the end of the day (sometimes neither do I!) and I couldn’t have paid the mortgage, but there is no resentment when each tries their best, even if the outcome is not equal

The last time I checked only women can give birth and produce milk for each baby. A man can never exactly be a woman. It is sad that American culture and the world's culture at large have changed husbands working hard outside the house and women working hard inside the house until the children are raised. Please reach at least one soul each week with the true gospel of Jesus Christ. Let us get ready for the new earth. Stars are not that big and cannot be trillions of miles away because of Revelation 6:13. Stars are sources of light and help with seasons. If Judge Jesus is considered a foreign prince, would you defend the constitution or obey the word of God? Sodomy (homosexuality) is a deathstyle. Biology is when two men and two women will never have their own literal children. Tragedy is when a husband and a wife cannot literally make one flesh. People should go preaching at abortion clinics. You abhor idols but you commit sacrilege by going to church every sunday. Remember that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by the Lord in Genesis. Sodomites (homosexuals, furries, necromancers) are disobeying the first commandment which God gave, which is, Be fruitful and multiply. Women should wear dresses and a head covering. Men should wear trousers with no head covering. The mark of the beast is spiritual and physical. Only God can create in the Bible sense which is to bring something out of nothing. Peace unto you. Let us follow the pure Christian religion. Dragon is the old word for dinosaur. Elohim is a devil. The saints are going through tribulation but that will end when the Lord Jesus shall return. The world shall go through the wrath of God, not tribulation. The saints shall possess the kingdom and we shall reign here for a 1,000 years. The feet of our Lord Jesus will touch the Olivet mount. The gospel of John shows that the Lord Jesus rose before the first day of the week. He died in the midst of the week and rose on the sabbath. Daniel 9:27, John 19:31, John 20. We would say that he died on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. The first passover of the holy old king James Bible always comes before the heathen Easter. Read Acts 12:1-4. If the first passover falls around Easter like in 2022, then something is wrong. The calendar problem must be solved. I am not relying on man and that is why the belief I have is different from most people. We ought to pray for the repentance and success of kings and all those in authority. I pray for president Joe Biden and his cabinet to do well and repent of their sins. I have been praying for all those in authority since I read 1 Timothy 2:1-4 some years ago. I am a sabbath keeping, new moon celebrating, holy day feast observing Christian that would never knowingly eat pork, shrimps, or anything sacrificed to idols. It is an abomination for a Christian to eat shrimps, pork, chicken, etc. Adam and Eve were children of God but they sinned by eating from an unclean tree. The mark of the beast will be IN the right hand or IN the forehead. It is spiritual and physical. Most of the world worships the beast by keeping sunday, friday, Christmas, Easter, Eid, Diwali, etc. The carnal mark is linked to a digital economy. Our Lord Jesus never ate shrimps or pork. Prayerfully read Leviticus 11:43 and Revelation 21:8. If you make yourself abominable, that is a sin! Repent. The new covenant will not save you if you continue being rebellious and stubborn against the word of the Lord. It is a sin to steal and a sin to forget the sabbath (saturday). *1 Samuel **15:23** KJV - For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.* Witchcraft, sorcery idolatry, witches, sorcerers, idolaters will be cast into hellfire. Only they that are washed in the blood of the Lord Jesus and keep his commandments shall be kings and priests. There is no such thing as a sunday rest or sunday sabbath in the Bible. Only the seventh day is blessed, sanctified and hallowed. Isaiah 66:22,23 says that from one new moon to another and from one sabbath to another shall all flesh worship before the Lord in the new earth. Matthew 7:21-23 proves that not everyone that says Jesus is Lord will enter the kingdom. We need to do the will of the Father which is to obey and honor our Lord Jesus Christ. He kept the new moons and we ought to keep them.

Can we agree that this is the exception to the rule and this model typically doesn’t work?

@@JAKEBrakeModel94 When both follow the rules ... and agreement they made ... It works. ... Till today they are a happy family. But not everyone is perfect right ... sure there's some misunderstanding too ... and I know who's fault that would be ... the husband (over cautious and sometimes over dominating). The wife is more easy going. But when it comes to generosity both are at par ... and they are never calculative. As it is said, it takes two to Tango!!! 💃🕺 ... but only one to leads ...

Even in the ancient Hebrew's moderate household ... It's the wife who manages the household, fields ... and servants. The husband is the CEO ... who makes all decisions. But the poorer families they work together, in bringing up their families, but of cause the men does most of the heavy liftings. But those filthy rich ... The wife still manages the home ... and servants ... she's the queen. The husband is more to business, social and religious affairs and politics ...

@@JAKEBrakeModel94 nope. Different strokes for different folk. It’s works for some people

Unfortunately, this clip did not adequately cover all of the scriptures pertaining to the subject, the Titus 2:3-5 model of which we older women are to follow and teach being among them. We each need to search the scriptures for a complete understanding of God's commands and principles pertaining to this most important aspect of life and follow them. As found in both nature and commands, God has given men and women respective, necessary roles pertaining to marriage, family, and the home. As part of her duties, yes, the Proverbs 31 woman produced some goods and sold them; yes, she considered a field and bought it. However, it does not follow that that meant that she left her precious children to the care of others for 40+ hours a week to pursue a career outside of the home as this would be in contradiction to commands specific to young mothers. Our society does much to suppress women's God-given maternal instincts. These instincts need to be respected and fostered within the church. Motherhood, and all that it can and should entail, is greatly undervalued in today's culture, I believe to the detriment of all.

@@sm8johnthreesixteen going to work isn't suppressing maternal instincts and it isn't contradiction to commands of young mothers. No where in Titus does it say a mother is commanded NOT to leave the home. She is commanded to be the keeper of the home. My wife works 40 hours a week but make no mistake, is the keeper of this house. Nowhere in scripture does it say a woman shall be chained to the home and not to contribute to the finances of the home. Careful that you aren't adding your thoughts and customs to scripture. A pattern found in scripture is also still just a model, not a command. Fathers are also told in scripture to teach and raise their children. You don't know what the women in proverbs 31 day was like, neither do I, therefore it is NOT appropriate to draw steadfast conclusions from. You are right to say it didn't mean she left for 40 hours but it also doesn't mean she didnt commit significant time to it. Anyway always good to visit scripture and see what it says. Keep digging into God's word and drawing near to Him and I hope we strive to leave our minds aside and listen to the word free from preconceived ideas of man so we only hear The Lord.

@@eternalharvestfarm No where did the commenter suggest that young women be 'chained to the home' or could not 'contribute to the finances of the home.' However, if an older woman is told to teach a young mother to be a 'keeper at home' as she cares for her kids as found in Titus 2, it does not reasonably follow that she is not to be found there a majority of her time as in the case of a career mother. Who would have thought that many believers would consider it an objectionable statement to say that children naturally want and need their mothers? Many parents utilize day care centers 12 hours per day for their children from 6-weeks of age onward--this is unnatural. The church has largely been neglecting to teach young men to prepare to provide for their families and for young mothers to prioritize their marriages and children after the roles and commands in scripture. Feminist thought has influenced believers. No doubt, both parents make important contributions to the family, but fathers are not mothers, nor mothers, fathers. Role reversal as a norm is confusion.

@@sdlorah6450 sure that's all fine. My apologies. I didnt know we were taking this somewhere else. Yes mother's shouldn't neglect their kids. I didnt think that was the subject of the video. Well it actually wasn't. So I was addressing the subject of the video not the obvious crazy extent of never being around to prioritize career over family because that's not what the folks in the video were talking about. But you are correct. Just know you can be a very very present parent, including a mother, working 40 hours in a 6 figure career. My wife does it marvelously as well as being everywhere with the kids and doing ministry. I know kids need their mothers but they also need their fathers. I know that goes against the conventional ideas of man that kids need helicopter mothers 24/7 and dad occasionally but that is NOT biblical. Constantly through scriptures it paints a CLEAR picture that kids need 2 active parents, and both mother and father are called to teach, set example, and lead their kids to the cross. So logic, that beautiful thing God blessed us with, would lead us to understand any parent can financially contribute to the family so long as both parents are taking on their god given duties of raising their kids to honor the Lord

How about reading the book of Proverbs in me what it says about a good wife? Because a good wife works, earns income, etc.

As I've posted, even under the Old Covenant, women could work and buy land. It was just fine. She makes fine linen and sells it, and delivers sashes to the merchant. She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard. -excerpts Proverbs 31

@@user-iz8np3vv4iexactly my point

The doctrine of complementarianism is not a misogynistic doctrine. When I teach on this topic, I teach about the biblical roles of the Church and then point out that these roles are about order and not about value.

Personally I don't think anyone cares. We aren't beholden to ur views lol. Mike made a clear case against staying at home for the wrong reason. One size fits all isn't biblical on this subject, and if it is I'd love to see the verse.

@@arcguardian Proverbs 31, Titus 2:4-5. Those are the biblical verses for women to be caretakers of the home, no biblical texts exist (at least of my knowledge) that command a man the same, we’re called to provide, we’re the stronger vessel and we’re to lead the house.

@@arcguardian who was argueing a one size fits all? What people have argued is a ideal, that on avg produces best results

If the wife is more passionate about her career than housewifery, and if the husband *isn't* being senselessly avoidant, then there's nothing disgraceful about his decision not to return to the workforce.

If the wife is more passionate about her career than there’s a bigger problem here, she needs to reevaluate her priorities. She’s commanded by scripture to prioritize her husband, children and household, nowhere does it talk about a job there.

Yes, I often wonder do some preachers study the wording and context? It actually to me makes more sense for God to permit the creativity of working out family issues because so many things can happen in life. But the focus which I think we all miss is what does God want me to do as a woman or man? As Mike said men are to be self sacrificial and love his wife like Christ the church. Raise his kids. Women are nurturing, so nurture the family but there are ways to do this in Wisdom. Seeking God on the "how" for that family. I find God is not as restricting as people are in life. 😊

You sound like the helper

​@@db2184Helper is defined differently in ancient biblical culture. When God says “helper” he refers to someone with great skill - someone like Himself.

​@@db2184She's a doctor. Would you rather die or be sick?

Only women are called keepers of the home, and commanded to do that. Men are never called that and are always expected to provide. This literally goes against nature, it’s crazy to even debate this.

And it seems to come from a place of pride and a false sense of superiority. If you don't do x in a specific manner then you're not a "real man" or "real woman."

And Timestamp 6:51 is another example of the one making the sacrifice in working outside the home as the provider

Amen, glad to see a ray of light in this bitter comment section. Man wasn't made for the sabbath, the sabbath was made for man.

Your wife needs to repent if she’s literally going against what God has called her to do. She’s literally designed to stay with her children and you say she hates it. There’s a lot wrong there.