Can the PCUSA be Taken Back? 

It took the Moors 10 years to overrun Spain/Portugal. Then after Charles Martel at the Battle of Tours, it took 771 years to expel the Moors. It has happened before. Play the long game.

We need a million more like this young man. It's so interesting how he observed that as a previous leftist, it is a religion and the moment he told his similarly thinking peer group he became a Christian he was ostracized and "cancelled" by them. May God bless him and bring Biblical repentance to so many in the professing church that ignore orthodox, Biblical Truth to appease the world.

This conversation is so interesting. I've commented on your channel once before. I watch your show everyday like it's television and feel so inspired by this episode to share my conversion experience somehow. As a biracial/black female raised Unitarian Universalist who was saved 9/2018 at Camp of the Woods, my mind was also blown when I experienced the faith in true beauty and authenticity but soon saw how rare it is for many professing Christians to be able to explain the goodness of biblical sexual ethics. It became obvious why the rise in LGBT identity is so rampant. As a Unitarian we were already embracing gender neutral beliefs back in the 90s and I had to learn what was what the hard way but I believe I can also help the church from the inside and I'm doing what I can. Many professing Christians can't even explain why it's important to wait until after marriage for sex... There's so much discernment lacking from the inside but meanwhile having converted from the far left I can also detect progressivism/ false teachings pretty fast.

Kid is super based for his age.👍

I’ve been to the Hollywood church. It was a WONDERFUL experience! Praise God!

This young man is well-spoken.

I only listened to this guy for one minute before I fell in love with him. God bless him and give him courage and encouraging brothers in his fight! God declared that faithless Israel wouldn't be able to withstand one of the OT prophets, so may it be so for Redeemed Zoomer. Glory to God!

A deeply encouraging conversation!

I grew up in Hollywood Presbyterian church. It has always been a strong evangelical congregation that remained true to its roots of solid Biblical teaching.

I moved to the USA in 1999 and since then participated in PCUSA until 2014. First in a Hispanic church, then shifted to an America (half the time on each). I started my faith in a Presbyterian church in my origin country so thought it was the same. However, shortly after joining I had the impression that the Christianity vision was ‘light’ compared where I came from, but I met many nice people and fell into a confort zone. As years went by I started to note more and more the spiritual decline of PCUSA until finally decided to leave and joined an Evangelical, where immediately noted the difference. I hope the Lords bless this young guy, his idea is revolutionary, never thought of it, will keep his work in my prayers. I would love to see PCUSA going back to sound doctrine and practice.

Fuller Seminary has had a significant influence on Southern California PCUSA churches. Yes, First Presbyterian Church Hollywood is a wonderful church. It's the church of Henrietta Mears, Forest Home Camp, Bill Bright, Richard Halverson, Louis Evans, and Lloyd Ogilvie. They've had some challenges, not the least of which being COVID, but they are still a solid evangelical church.

fantastic conversation Jon, thank you.

My 18 year old son loves Redeemed Zoomer and I follow Conversations that Matter so this video is quite the intersection of the Venn Diagram

I pray this effort is successful.

This should be interesting. I’ve been listening to him for a while now. I certainly think the idea is admirable and could work well in churches with a more bottom up ecclesiology like a Congregationalist or American Baptist church but I’m fairly skeptical of its potential in a denomination that is more top down. Nonetheless I don’t want to simply write it off either.

Excellent....most excellent

An inspirational, probably brilliant young man, who by the mercy (miracle) of God was saved out of the lies, darkness and evil of the "world," and is serving boldly and faithfully. Praise God. Here's what I say to him: brother, keep to the priority of God's design that you immerse yourself in the Word that you may by grace continually learn the awesomeness of what it means to be truly transformed, and to obedience in joyous slavery to Christ, and thereby the holy wonder of growing in maturity through sanctification.

Amazing young man. May God raise more of these men

I left a mainline denomination but Redeemed Zoomer sure makes a good case for staying. Very sharp, articulate young man.

Bruce Gore is my favorite bible teacher and he is in the PCUSA

What a great conversation and a totally based young man. 25:50 blow your mind Jon, yes there's a Hollywood Church there that's Presbyterian, there's also an SBC Church in Beverly hills just at the edge of West Hollywood which is rapidly homosexual and its community. Also conservative

Redeemed Zoomer really needs to watch your videos about Tim Keller.

As a young believer I began working with a woman who claimed Christ and helped lead worship at her church. I expected kinship. It wasn't long before she had displayed her complete lack of biblical fidelity by wearing rainbow pins, posting LGB messages all over her public work spaces, and had become an outspoken mouthpiece for them Democrats. It was only later that I, s naive young Christian, realized that some churches, like the PCUSA, had lost their first love. Ironically, I knew another woman from that same church who appeared to be a true believer. She served in children's ministry at BSF and clung to Scripture. This particular church went through a period without a permanent pastor and now has one with a young family. I am hopeful that this church can be revived, but they will need to confront, then discipline, those whose God is culture.

Became a fan last week when he interview Fr. Calvin who just joined you recently. Love the heart of @redeemedZoomer :)

Wonderful conversation. Reclaim what is God's.

Glad you interviewed him. Even though he just put Catholics over Baptists in a tier list video on his channel

I love this kid! Praise God!

I wanted to offer encouragement to people who have experienced discouragement at the appearance of the pride flag. I live 100 miles west of Washington DC. During pride month there were only two flags seen in our town of 10000. We posted a statement on our church sign which read "In June we are proud of our dairy farmers," since June is dairy month. The Virginia Dairymen association used that photo on the cover of their July magazine edition. There is Hope if we do as this video suggests. Speak up.

Presbyterian here shouting amen!

The simple answer is no. The PCUSA consciously went down the path of apostacy. There is no way to reverse them now.

The PCUSA requires that each church pay what is called a per capita for every member. This is most often paid by the member. In addition, insurance and pension for pastors is offered through the denomination. And as he said, properties are held by the denomination. The seminaries that are associated with the PCUSA are EXTREMELY liberal so the newer generations of pastors toe the PCUSA line. I fled the PCUSA about 3 years ago. I was very active in the church and loved my church family but I found that I could not allow people to believe that I supported the positions of the PCUSA. I couldn't be responsible for leading others astray.

My understanding the PC USA went south across the board. Obviously there are some that are middle to right. Remind me Jon to tell you the story about my visit to Southern Seminary in 2012 then walking across the road to a PC USA seminary.

Love the shout out to St Athanasius!

rz is so inspiring

Awesome podcast. I get it. Christians cannot just keep retreating. Men need to make a stand or Christianity will never stand for anything. However, as a father with 4 young sons, it would be difficult to be a member of a mainline Church. My wife and I would constantly have to be extra careful to watch out for our children and teach them what they might have been taught at Church was wrong. Raising them in fear and admonition of the Lord is my responsibility, and if a Church is not a trustworthy means than it’s a problem.

I was raised in the old Presbyterian Church in the United States (also known as the Southern Presbyterian Church), which ceased to exist in 1983 when it was absorbed into what is now the PCUSA. Roughly nine years later, to no one's surprise more than my own, I sensed a call to ministry. I was on the Evangelical side of thing and shared many of his aspirations to turn things around but quickly came to the conclusion that that wasn't likely. I decamped for the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church (similar in many ways to the PCA) and, of course, eventually became an Anglican. I wish him well, but don't think that the reform that for which he hopes is likely within the PCUSA. New ministers must run the gamut of theological examinations on the floor of presbytery; in many cases those will be designed to root out conservatives. Nearly fifty years ago the case of Walter W. Kenyon established that those who cannot accept the ordination of women need not apply. Candidates can also expect to be questioned about whether or not they affirm homosexuals in ministry and marriage. Regarding tithes, while they go to the local congregation per capita payments are expected to be made to presbytery and the higher courts of the church so, yes, support for progressive programs at the denominational level is a fact of life. The Book of Confessions of the PCUSA contains many historic confessions, including the Westminister Standards, the Scots Confession, and the Heidelberg Catechism. It also includes the Confession of 1967, which is very problematic. First Presbyterian, Hollywood, is more conservative than the denomination at large, largely because they have had a number of sound ministers of long tenure (including Lloyd Ogilvie, who later served as Chaplain of the U.S. Senate). Again, I wish him well but for me roughly thirty years ago remaining in the PCUSA would've been very problematic and history has vindicated the wisdom of my departure.

A reconquista is not unprecedented: Commenting on a creed drafted at the Council of Sirmium (359), St Jerome wrote: "The whole groaned and was astonished to find itself Arian." Arianism has been dead since soon thereafter. On the other hand, based on the arguments I have heard here, I could be persuaded to launch a reconquista of that so-called church styling itself the Roman Catholic Church, which is also scrambling for pastors and whose current Pope has engendered a revolt not seen since 1517.

Close to 30 years ago, First Presbyterian Hollywood was known as conservative. I knew they were pcusa then but thought they might have switched. Also, as far as I know, First Baptist Church of San Francisco is conservative. I'm not sure if it's SBC.

Didn’t Machen give up on this 90 years ago when he started the OPC?

He is right in that the fact that mainline denominations are a mission field but they are not necessarily a church. The Reformed church had to break off from the Roman Catholics.

I like this guy's passion. But I very strongly disagree. The opening to Revelation contains letters to churches. And warnings that they might have their lampstands taken away. If a church that was once a great church is now apostate, that is a judgment. We are commanded as believers to not forsake assembling. I think what the writer of Hebrewsis talking about Biblical fellowship that nourishes the soul. Not getting together with progressives and having yourself tested. I think that warning to the Corinthians is also very relevant. It is not our job to sink with the ship. This is similar to the topic Joel Webbon has written about in his new book Fight by Flight (haven't read it yet, but heard him speak about the topic). Except he is referring to leaving blue states.

Finally a Jew using his revolutionary spirit for good

Calvinism clearly coming through this guest's statements.... Really hope he's been born again...., which is necessary to enter the Kingdom of God (John 3:3).

Would the Alpha evangelism course be a useful mode of evangelism for young pastors that come into a progressive PCUSA parish?

Wasn’t the PCUSA liberal from its inception in 1983?

Menlo Park Presbyterian Church had to leave. No regrets in making that move.

Pretty good. I do take issue with being born a Christian. The Bible says one must be born again.

Ain't going to happen. For the most part, the members and churches left in the PC(U.S.A.) are either wildly liberal or just go along to get along.

I don‘t know if he is truly born again because I am not hearing anything about personal repentance and needing deliverance from sin. Not deliverance from liberalism. He seems to be attracted to Christianity because of its truth and beauty.

I wonder if this guy has heard of the OPC?

Stop tistic direction? I don't understand that

I am of the opinion that maybe the Lord intends to crush all such institutions and then rebuild something more authentic from the ashes.

I’m curious what the interviewer thinks baptism is? Baptism now saves. Like me, all who grew up in the church and baptized as infants were saved at baptism. It is Cod who does the saving and God doing the baptism. As I grew, so did my faith. To think that you have an infantile faith at 8 or 10 is silly. When you’re catechized in God’s Word, your faith grows. It doesn’t necessarily correlate with your age. I had a strong faith at a young age. Why is the Church floundering and the evil in culture gaining hold over the family? Because babies are no longer being baptized and catechized in the faith like in all of history. Because parents are more interested in other things and don’t fight to keep the family together. I like how the interviewee describes salvation/being born again is not a one size fits all.

Like D james Kennedy?

38:35 Contra Mundum, pro Mundo

26:26 the fellowship community isn’t conservative, there proudly egalitarian.

I don 't want tradition. It gets between God and man. Matthew 15, Mark 7, Colossians 2:8. What people want is not tradition. They hunger after God himself. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L0miSknm-W4.html. The problem I have is the preachers in the various denominations who throw so much garbage at people. I have a specific question, and it's pass or fail: What day is "the Lord's day? Is it the 1st day or the 7th day?

This guy believes in evolution......He has a video about why he believes evolution he did 5 months ago. Pretty ridiculous he says he's orthodox.

Short answer? No. You can't even take back the PCA.

Lol tim keller is a fundamentalist. He’s hardly a moderate. Hopefully he’s in glory and knows the error of his ways

To the redeemed zoomer, my question and concern is what do we do if we want to get out of the PCUSA ? It seems to be absolutely no benefit to us but causes much frustration to us. We are conservative so that’s not the problem. We are a very small church as are many country churches (45 to 50 members). We can’t afford a full time minister but we had the same minister for over 20 years. He retired and we have now found a young lay speaker willing to pastor our church. We have hired him on contract for 6 months at a time. However the Presbytery is constantly questioning us on how we are doing this and that. We aren’t doing anything different than the last pastor did for 20 plus years. They tell us they have to hire the ordained person to do communion, to be moderator at our monthly meetings, and all this costs additional money when we can do this ourselves. You comment that the liberal churches are falling away and while they should be, that is not what I am seeing. It’s our little conservative churches that are dying off due to lack of people coming to church and the ones trying to hold it together have to follow these rigid guide lines. We just want to stay a conservative little church following the Bible & break away from the Presbytery ( our boss who we pay annually & yet we answer to and adhere to their rules). Advice?

Whyd they take of picture of him that looks like he bouta sneeze

No. PCUSA is beyond the point of no return.