Can the Quran Prove the Existence of God? Atheist vs. Muslim 

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​@@prithwipatil5813I am real

@@shahrock6969 No doubt.. I am fully convinced my lord🙏

@@nsayyed5469 I don't know if god exists. I can't know that. I would need more proof. Because as per the general scenario. he's not very good at granting prayers and wishes. So I wouldn't spend time and pin hopes on some invisible force which might not exist. I'd rather use the time to entertain myself or do something useful which has a better chance of giving results.

Prove this bro

Yes 100 percent bro human wrote it

@@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518 bcoz animals don't speak & write english,persian,hindi

​@studentofIslam-ce1sk how can a being who does not have a physical form in this world write in a human language on a physical object such as a book. If god is not a person like us should he speak Arabic or any other language. Also did god discover earth 1400 years ago or 2000 years ago that he sent a rule book to follow. If some omnipotent creator wanted to share something with us wouldn't it have been through the beginning from adam(as the belief in Bible and Quran says)

@@VaibhavSingh-nv9tf sure he send from Adam to Muhammad s.a .w you should need more attention please

I don't think he is open minded. He may become open minded in future but presently he is just trying to pacify himself about being open-minded. Any unbiased reading of Quran will make any rational person realize the dangers of Islam. The evidence is all around us.

@@brahm-ahamasmi uhm that's a problem most believers deal with. They come to associate emotionally with aspects of their religion because of parental conditioning. I'm glad he's questioning it though. It always begins like that.

@@cd3597 I didn't find him questioning. I just found him self-justifying. He is not only justifying his own religion to himself, he is negating other religions as well. He has a very long way to being rational about theology.

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@@udhayveersingh1855 Hellow Nakama 🤟🏼🤣

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@@warrior_of_liberation there's nothing in quran which can be proven wrong

If God is all good he cannot be all powerful, if he is all powerful, he cannot be all good - lex Luthor ,😁😁😁

I use 'wriggly pink hippos' in my argument 😅

I thought that exact same thing. I was even about to comment "Sure"

sure !​@@ashwanthickasuhirthi1435

Sure 😂😂😂😂

" Shor" 😂😂

13:44 fallacy of common denominator

I agree, but what can be the solution to this ? Because people have a tendency to switch off their critical thinking in certain areas of life though they might be highly educated or skilled in their domains.

If it gets switched off there ain't much of it to start with.@@saikat93ify

True

Yeah that’s why I abjectly match lines about vedas

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@@barnaliadhikary9421 He was making it a discussion as healthy as possible. He wasn't antagonistic to Vimoh in any way. And kudos to both of them.

it happens often with everyone its because we live in a highly relgious society

I switched between thiest and athiest a lot in past 5 years and now in the athiest phase

@@dv9239 what made u switch to being an atheist

I want to be religious person /guided by religious morality...but From childhood i am atheist i am moral person...but.i want that fear of god to preserve degradation of morality... I want my children to be happily indulge in religious task. While being rational.

@@adarshrathiiiiiiiiiiiii i don't think fear of god can preserve degradation of morality

He came to conclusion that people of future gave the knowledge to people of past? Prove the conclusion first may be and then may be we can argue that people from the future came back. U r just saying things whixh u literally cannot prove. Right now do u have a conclusion that u can prove about the knowledge that has been written” in the book???

But again the question is Why we have to believe out of all the options, GOD (Allah) has sent down the QURAN. 1. Challenge: Allah swt challenges in the Quran, no other being can produce even a single verse of Quran even they try to; Quranic Verse : And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter of the like." (2 23) This Single Quranic verse dismisses ur entire logic that Quran was indeed sent down by the creator. 2. All the scientific knowledge that is been present in the Quran, evolution of embryo, etc, ofc we will not dive into this much as the question of the hour is prove that this knowledge is from GOD. 3. historic knowledge evidences : many historical knowledge findings were also recently discovered by mankind 4 Lingustice Miracle. If u research more on Quran, u would come to about the lingustic miracles that Quran has.

@@substantialleague939 that same thing goes for god also

@@substantialleague939 making verse is subjective matter.when the Quran challenges that no one can produce even a single verse like it, it's essentially a theological statement. It's not something that can be objectively measured or proven in the way we might measure a scientific fact.

@@substantialleague939 can you prove me that moon split happened 1400 years ago ?

Your second paragraph is where line must be drawn. Everything is fine as long as religious people don't lump the same beliefs on us.

Evolution ko sach manti h kya?

@@rish8184 partiall manti hai, as expected. I was soo surprised ki ye ek mbbs student ha and ise evolution pr doubts ha

@@marketeer813 yes we've talked about everything, firstly as expected she's a homophobic...and I support LGBtq most of our debates have started bcz of this...she claims we should ban this

@@mother.95 exactly, I do like her she's a great human being..but I've made it very clear infront of her that Im not changing my beliefs to please her or anyone else

@@Dr.AjazShaikh the moment someone believes something without any proof/logic or reason it is really difficult to talk with that person. Whatever the person is saying is his belief or faith and after this how can you argue?

Hahaha and religious texts have only less than 50 percent prediction correct

If I predict 1000s of things Many things can comes true but it will not be 100%

Bring me one prediction in Islam that has not been correct go ahead bro 👍

​@@Garena_fuelbring me 1 prediction that has been correct

@@Garena_fuelcome to Adam seeker live

Compilation and invention are 2 different things. Also, it was fully compiled till the time of Abu Bakr. The very first Khalifa after Prophet Muhammad. So its like only 2 years after his death. It was re compiled at the time of Usman..who was like 12 years after Prophet Muhammad,who was one of his companions into a single Arabic dialect and other dialects were destroyed to avoid inconsistencies. When u say compile, u mean that it was available in scattered form. The verses written on skin, wood, stones etc. It was compiled into a single book. 200 years later the book was being practised all over the muslim empires

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@@nyxythebaddie STOP MOCKING ! To address why the concept of "Satanic Verses" is not acceptable through a logical and theological perspective, it's essential to consider both the logical reasoning and Islamic principles. Here’s an in-depth analysis: ### **1. Theological Basis and Preservation of Revelation** **Theological Principle**: - **Divine Protection**: Islamic theology holds that the Quran is divinely protected from any error or corruption. This protection is outlined in the Quran itself. - **Surah Al-Hijr (15:9)**: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed, We will be its guardian.” This verse assures that Allah has promised to safeguard the Quran from alterations or falsehood. **Logical Reasoning**: - **Consistency of Revelation**: The idea that Satan could have influenced the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) to insert false verses contradicts the notion of divine omnipotence and protection. If such verses existed, it would imply a failure of divine protection, which is inconsistent with the Quran’s assurance. - **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) is considered the final prophet who conveyed Allah’s message faithfully. The concept of him unknowingly reciting or accepting false verses undermines his role and integrity as a messenger of God. ### **2. Understanding Abrogation (Naskh)** **Theological Principle**: - **Concept of Abrogation**: In Islamic jurisprudence, the concept of abrogation (Naskh) is acknowledged, where certain verses are superseded or replaced by others as per divine wisdom. - **Surah Al-Baqarah (2:106)**: “We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth one better than it or similar to it.” **Logical Reasoning**: - **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves to clarify and adapt the message for changing circumstances, not to introduce falsehood. The idea of "Satanic Verses" suggests the insertion of false verses, which contradicts the concept of abrogation where divine wisdom guides changes, rather than error or falsehood. ### **3. Historical and Scholarly Consensus** **Historical Context**: - **Fabrications and Misinterpretations**: The notion of "Satanic Verses" largely arises from historical fabrications and misunderstandings. Reliable Islamic sources and historical records do not support the existence of such verses. **Scholarly Consensus**: - **Islamic Scholars**: Prominent Islamic scholars and historians have overwhelmingly rejected the "Satanic Verses" narrative as unfounded. The consensus is that the narrative is a misinterpretation or fabrication not supported by authentic sources. - **Sahih Hadith**: Authentic Hadith literature, including collections such as Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, does not contain evidence supporting the "Satanic Verses" incident. ### **4. Quranic Integrity and the Role of the Prophet** **Theological Principle**: - **Prophet’s Role**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was chosen by Allah to deliver the final and complete message. His role was to convey the divine revelations accurately without alteration. - **Surah Al-Ahzab (33:40)**: “Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.” **Logical Reasoning**: - **Final Revelation**: As the final revelation, the Quran is seen as complete and unalterable. The integrity of the message is paramount, and the concept of “Satanic Verses” undermines this fundamental principle by suggesting that falsehood could be part of the revelation. ### **5. Theological Consistency** **Theological Principle**: - **Divine Wisdom and Justice**: Allah’s actions and commands are consistent with divine wisdom and justice. Introducing falsehood and then correcting it would be inconsistent with divine justice and wisdom. **Logical Reasoning**: - **Divine Plan**: If the Quran had false verses, it would imply a failure in Allah’s divine plan. The Quran is meant to be a guidance for all time, and the concept of false verses contradicts this purpose. ### **Summary** The concept of "Satanic Verses" is rejected based on several logical and theological grounds: 1. **Divine Protection**: The Quran is protected by divine decree, and the idea of false verses undermines this protection. 2. **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves a different purpose than introducing falsehood, which is not supported by Islamic principles. 3. **Historical and Scholarly Consensus**: The narrative of "Satanic Verses" is not supported by authentic Islamic sources and has been rejected by scholars. 4. **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) role as the final messenger necessitates the accurate transmission of divine revelations. 5. **Theological Consistency**: The concept of false verses is inconsistent with divine wisdom and justice. By addressing these points, one can understand why the "Satanic Verses" narrative does not hold up under scrutiny from both a theological and logical perspective.

George will be the trickster god coz he fooled everyone into thinking he'll finish the book

​@@dv9239that mf will do everything but complete the book...

I thought the other way around... If what you say is right, God should be worshiping the man....😮😮😮 Stop copy paste and be rational...

source?

After 250 years they compiled hadeeths not written

​@@upscaspirant5666 lol you don't find any hadees from Mohammad's period

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You are not ready to accept the real answer, so you make your own false answer😂😂

He didn’t wrote but there were 27 Arabs people who could back than and they learned it and wrote it and preserved it. Also that guy didn’t abolished any claims of the guy at all. He was dodging question how Quran or Muhammad could tell, the books before like bible contain contradictions. Quran doesn’t contain any if you don’t include God, Angel, etc which science can’t prove. Also humans can never travel back in time due to we posses mass. And if they did, surely they will not make a new religion. Now will they and won’t show anyone? Some higher creatures than us could have told Muhammad? Yes this one is correct as Angel Jibrel told Muhammad and told him knowledge of things he didn’t knew and told him future which was revealed to Jibrel by God. He is correct atleast once but the entity have to be like us 3D or could it be higher dimension. Angels are intelligent creatures and when they were created. They literally believe immediately they were created and someone created them.

@@AbdulRehman-h3x - Hello sir, I want to address on thing - 'books before ... contain contradictions' - A scripture must contain contradictions. Otherwise no scholarship is possible. Without contradictions, a reader will not think, analyze and reflect on what is being said. In Bhagavat Gita Arjuna asks a direct question to Lord Krishna 'You sayings are contradictory and is confusing me [Chapter-3 Shloka-2]'. Then the Lord explains in detail about Karma and Jnana Yogas. If a scripture has no contradictions, it will not impart any knowlegde. I therefore disagree there is anything great about a book not containing contradictions.

@@kmokashi But It doesn’t have to if the things it explains are explained enough. And beside that your argument doesn’t work on Quran and guess Bible, or Old Testament might have some of those verses which couldn’t be known as we consider them word of God which are in todays time mixed and changed with humans words but still some verse will remain which were from Allah/God. Also all of the known to mankind contradict with their own words but Quran doesn’t and it’s a fact and prophet s.a.w predictions were true which have happened and ratio is? 100%. While others books you mentioned may don’t even have that 3%. So your comparison is flawed anyway.

@@kmokashi Also you can’t tell someone from future told them as humans won’t live that much and can neither travel in time due to possessing mass. Other 3D creatures from different planet. Why are they not seen now? Where are they and most probably explanation will be is that they will consider us as animals and will rule us. BUT Quran tells this is word of God transmitted by Angel Jibrel and given to Muhammad s.a.w. Thus you are to correct to say that Muhammad couldn’t knew it and someone told it and sure that someone who told Muhammad, he can tell that who told him and he mentioned Angel Jibrel and Angel are higher dimensional being and possessing immense knowledge and you can understand when they were created. They immediately realised that Allah/God created them and bow down their head and it’s Jibrel telling it himself. And what about Quran correcting Bible and Old Testament and lectures on history and science and their belief of trinity (Christian). Quran claimed that those verses were that revealed to Jesus but the people changed them and added them as they see fit.

let him have his journey. he seemed open minded enough. he'll get there

@@vimoh Wow... Vimoh... It's awesome to get a reply from you

can u share them? the contradictions... where can i find them

Nobody can make someone believe in god thts why even in Qur'an Allah says to prophet that his job is only to convey the message !!

​@@vimohHe is open-minded about Hinduism and Christian faith. Not much about Islam.

@@jeeguruji3945 he’s amazing

Rude people exist in every religion

@@vimoh By community I meant theism in general not any specific religion.

What are you babbling man.explain it clearly

So your saying it's the matter of interpretation. All the statements are written so vaguely, that It depends on the reader to interpret it.

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Bro Adam eve is fairly tail we came from Homo eregastus homo efectos etc.

@@samiabdul9754 same reason for leaving islam

I think you haven't met those people. Since I am also seeing a Muslim putting an effort reading Hindu scripture for the first time. Nothing wrong but we need to consider broad spectrum of these things.

Am not gonna read either

How many muslims have read Geeta? Kya chutiyapa bol rha bhai🤦

Reading Hindu scriptures for what? To learn something, no. Just to find faults. And you get what you want to get.

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What does the upnishad say about the God that possibily may exist logically

You and Krishna are one .

@@abhijeetchavhan37 Yeah, Advaita/Non-duality is Truth

The argument the other guy was making was perhaps - Qur'an exists - it's a uniquely patterned book that has been incredibly preserved and has no contradictions. It was revealed to a man who known to be trustworthy in his community (as per historical accounts that aren't Muslim) and couldn't read or write. So either he copied it, came up with it on his own or someone gave it to him who wasn't known to the people then (else they would've all believed) ... and you can build the argument from there on.

​@@mhmmdmz there are lot of contradiction in Quran and Quran is not 100% preserved There are different versions of Quran.

Let’s not speak in generalities.

Your cult sounds interesting I wanna join :D

No😤 I believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster

Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering. Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.

@@user9_11 i guess you are too confused! If Buddhism is atheistic then what are the other types of atheists. here I am confused! are all atheist, Buddhists or their other types i don't know about.

ye comment karke kya fayda hua?

@@vimoh Good one 😂😂😂

It's just a tolerance level of vimoh , he doesn't make fun of his logics and debated with him peacefully without offending anyone's belief Many islamic scholars have been defeated by atheist

I know muslims don't understand the value of tolerance, you should appreciate Vimoh the next person was very silly with his points. That intolerant behaviour let muslims down for centuries Vimoh might be arrested for having such peaceful and logical conversation if reside in Islamic nation!

If a foolish person comes to me to talk about his flying donkey stuff. Me explaining to him that its not logical is definately a difficult time for me.

There's nothing scholarly in any of that backward rubbish.

translate please

translation (mota boss)@@vimoh , slang which refers to Rajnikanth

@@vimoh These Tamil words refer to Rajnikanth's character in the 2007 movie 'Shivaji' Here is how he looked in that movie i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000010573263-dxp56d-t500x500.jpg Literal translation மொட்ட = Shaven head பாஸ் = Boss

If he cannot know them, what are you trying to explain?

@@vimoh Thank you. There is a gulf of a difference between knowing about and knowing in reality. The man who rides a bicycle has experienced the bike, and is so much more at an advantage than those who know about bikes, but have never ridden one. The same is true with God. We can only experience God and such is in Spirit. Relationship with Him is in Spirit and such is true life. He gives to us, and such a relationship is now on His terms which is faith. Without faith, we can only pretend to know Him on our terms. All the theology, all the scriptures, all our isms and philosophies, all the debate, all our knowledge is but of the human mind and that is not true life. Scripture becomes of great value if God energises such with His life as we read. No scripture can prove the existence of God, indeed no worldly metric can prove (or disprove) who He is, as He is Absolute. Debate about Him , in the end, goes nowhere, save to establish our own misconceptions. The only way is to know Him is in faith, which is a gift from God.

So make up your mind. Can god be known or not known?

Gaslighting

@@vimoh Of course He can. But it has to be on His terms. However, His terms are open to all.

But Allah has Emotion , just like we human have...😊😊😊

​@@Raushan.Chitranshwhat where lol And your freking audacity when ur godmen have atrocious desires and fareaking families and many more And yeah ALLAH SWT IS NOT HOPLESS, NEITHER DEPENDAPLE , NOR EMOTIONAL BUT WRATH DOES EXIST WITHOUT WRATH THERE WOULD BE NO JUDGEMENT , NO PUNISHMENT SO IT IS NESSECARY FOR THE SUPREME BEING TO HAVE WRATH i.e power of destruction And again its just 'kun' 'be' And 'fayakun' ' it is '

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It’s true for any religious community from all countries not just India. Indians can be atheist and secular humanist who believe in rationals vimoh is one of them. You should have used the word religion not Indian. Indian is means people or citizen of India. who can be Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Buddhist, Christians, Parsi ( zoroasters which I am pretty sure you have non in your area ) ( we have the second largest population of Muslims and one of the largest Christian population in the world entire north east is Christian). Don’t confuse Indian word with a religion just shows your ignorance. Now waiting for you you edit your comment or make a comeback. Cheers mofo.

Utopian guy seriously mofo that’s name you are going with you are someone who just read tempest and some essays about it and never even figured out that its impossible to have utopian society( actually is it’s like having heaven which is impossible to have) because one needs to blissfully happy and not have knowledge to be agree with utopian society because it’s conformist mofo.using the word utopia is a punch line to you mofo. Please don’t tell me the origin of the word is actually Greek cause you didn’t know it even.

@@sunilsingh-vf5qn I have used Indians here because that is my primary experience being Indian myself, those are the group of people I know most about and I primarily associate/concern myself with. Apart from India I have lived in United States for over a decade and I can claim to know United States and its people as well to a certain extent but my formative years were spent in India and hence my thoughts by default are from an Indian perspective I agree that religious people from all country will behave and think in such biased manner. However, here we are not talking about an exclusively religious person. The concerned individual in the above video claims that he is trying to learn about all religions and trying to find truth in his own way. Such people need to be more thorough and vigilant in their analysis if they want to seek truth Apart from this I still stand by the fact that most Indians are really shallow in their arguments and don't really understand the difference between facts and opinions. I can say this with more confidence after having lived in United States and having had countless discussion on religious topics with people here in United States. Not saying that people in United States are 100% rational in their approach in fact they are far from it but there is more general awareness of difference between fact and opinions and the level discussion is not so unsophisticated. For example, people don't call someone motherfucker because they don't like their opinion.

Can u prove that it is made by allha

something to hold onto for believers

For entertainment

For travel and tourism.

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To enforce "Act of God"