In this video from Jenkins stream, he watches Quinn (rank 1 in the world) play against 5 Heralds--1 versus 5. Watch LIVE on Twitch: / 420jenkins Patreon: / jenkinsdota Twitter: / jenkinsdota #Dota2 #Herald #Review
In a game where quinn literally can't do anything to defend against simultaneously pushing both sidelanes, the heralds came up with the brilliant plan of picking 4 heroes that don't hit towers and then having 3/5 of their team go mid and feed quinn a 7 minute bloodstone. It's very impressive that they brainstormed a strategy that's significantly worse than the default 2-1-2 setup
Their decision making couldn't have been much worse, but that's par for the course for heralds. If a single one of them had picked Viper, strong laning heroes or strong pushing heroes like brood, lone druid or lycan it would've been over
@@Astral_Alchemist Quinn could probably lane just fine against a herald Viper, though it would at least have slowed him down a bit and the break would be nice.
They also could have ratted him like crazy. Bristle has no stuns, all they had to do was push all lanes at once, and wherever he TPS to defend, they immediately tp out. But they fed him to a point he could two shot them, and that was gg
money's not enough, donate one of your kidneys and some of your blood to those in need, then work for community service 10 years straight and maybe, just maybe, Slacks will 1v5 you irl
4 women 1 man didnt help (unless some were voice changing rats, one sounded sus). Its rare for women to play dota and even rarer for them to be good at it. In all my years of dota i've only played with maybe 50 women who made themselves known via mic, and only a few actually carried my ass. Unsurprisingly she was raging more than the rest of us at our stupid moves, which was funny and kind of felt pride in someone else for the first time.
@williamshakemilk2192 he never does that. He is the best content creator in dota ATM. After him, imo is the story of dota and number 2 and bsj at number 3. Jenkins is like 5 or 6 at best.
The real big brain strat would be for herald to put shadow shaman in the side lane, let him farm and then ifinite chain cc the bristle while they end the game
There are so many approaches they could have had to this: a line up of crazy split pushers, a hardcore anti-carry lineup with like doom viper and ursa to guaranteed kill anyone, or a mid trilane that could actually threaten a kill at lvl 1 for just approaching the wave. What they went with feels like something in the middle of those but doesn't manage to do any of them. Still, that's what makes heralds heralds I guess.
They picked primal who has built in break with ahgs. Even if you can’t manfight bb when broken it’ll at least discourage him from diving a bit. Unfortunately, primal never built ahgs
@@iamalucard100 he didnt bulid aghs lol also Underlord would be a lot better than primal because of firestorm and pit would be hard to deal with. Also his gate
That BSJ roast sent me into a frenzy of laughter LOL "Like a serial killer running around having his way with his victims... really horrible.. very BSJ type stuff here..... But BSJ would be losing"
I haven’t even finished watching but the second I heard the herald say “we’re going to tri one mid” i know there is not a chance in hell they don’t lose by minute 6. Especially against a bristle that’s sounds absolutely suicidal.
I actually never knew who quinn was until today. Dude was so effective at playing every role simultaneously. Actually learned quite a bit on how to stay effective when down teamates.
how? we saw 5 heralds smash 3 like 7-8k players in an earlier one of this series sure quinn is much stronger than 8k but 3 8k players would beat quinn every time
@@Six_slotted I don't believe that for a second, you must've dreamt it. What is the video called? And yeah, obviously Quinn wouldn't have any chance against 3 half decent players (and 8k is miles above 'decent') but that's completely irrelevant. He isn't that much better than 8k players in the first place.
@@trussikactually, AM is not a bad pick here. AM is very good at split pushing, his mana burn can slow BB to a halt, and his blink will force BB to buy Orchid, not to mention BB at early game before having Bloodstone will be constantly having low mana meaning more damage for mana void. AM can also get Abyssal to lock down BB. And a free farming AM is a very fast ticking time bomb. Try to face yourself in the mirror before you mock others.
@@gamingchair6066 They're often at least decent at playing their own heroes, but not these guys. Unless of course they didn't play their usual heroes for some reason, but that'd just be weird.
The herald strategy is wrong from the beginning.Tri lane does not get u advantage,it’s a throw or it would’ve been the norm in pubs. So what they should’ve done is just to put a viper mid passively clearing the wave meanwhile put 2 siege heroes such as lycan,visage,np,brood at each other lane.There’s no way against such pushing 1v5 no matter how good a player is
Actually in a real 1 v 3, tri lane makes that lane completely unplayable if they are using lock down heroes that will zone you from the lane. These are just heralds and they picked zero lock down power for their tri lane 😂
@@Delimon007 if ur opponents play tri lane against u in pub,just put a kotl 4 in that lane and pick a jungle farm hero. That’s exactly why tri lane only exists at the very early dota1 meta. And tri lane was actually the norm in pubs until ppl figured 2,1,2 is better and more consistent
Yup, Phantom Assassin, Antimage, Silencer, Phantom Lancer, Centaur, Huskar, Slark, Razer and Luna can all do this, with varying item reqs. Morph+Meepo+Naga can do it with more skill. Lone Druid, Prophet and Lycan can also do some of that.
The 3 mid was a good idea. They just needed to not actually fight him and just try to prevent him from getting CS. The Heralds should have picked Doom Lich and Disruptor for the mid. They should have picked Clinkz and Nature's Prophet for the side lanes to maximize their pushing and rating potential. If they just pushed everywhere and refused to fight him they could have won.
pick nature's prophet or a brood mother, dumb to not just split push. it wouldn't be a pretty win but that's the only advantage. was also dumb for clinkz and primal to come mid and not just camp the side lanes for as long as possible.
Quinn knew how to krump them. I don't see any better option than Bristle for this. Legion commander could get broken eventually, but not from the beginning.
Next time, please make it a 1v9 game. 1v5 is too easy for #1 player. He has to have 4 toxic team mates, where each of them is trying to feed the opponent. This game wasn't realistic at all. He had wards available. Camps were free to farm. Dusts and gems were available too. In a real game, a toxic player feeds himself, gives away wards, gems, and rapiers, and tells the opponent team where his team mates farm. The herald team lacked gold because of not having enough enemy heroes to kill.
@@nabidisla.5086 ^^^^^^^ Typically, you have to build around the other heroes on the map. There's only one. . . just meteor hammer split push, have 2 people with strong CC so they can't do jack, and some mana burners so they still can't do jack and you win. You don't NEED to know who they are playing with this strat either. It's 1 v 5 FFs.
Honestly props to the heralds, they werent doing that bad. For being the lowest rank they still knew to split push, buy silveredge and vessel to counter, going trilane mid so other 2 can farm freely. Some of these things not even divines do because of ego blinding them.
@@theswordsman7114 they were DEFINATELLY playing better than insane bots, Ik that because I can pick void, go 6 moonshards and still win. Bots don't know how to split push, which, imo is the biggest counter to 1v5.
@@TheMartuxzdepends on the bots. Basic bots these days start running into the fountain if u pick me and turn into a bounty rune. Not literally but yeah that is not exactly a dignified comparison anymore. There r modded bots but with stuff like new player mode and far better tutorials I don't think we will be seeing better bots soon.
The strat should have been 1 top 1 bottom, 1 jungle and 2 that can clear wave mid. Super greedy and overwhlem with networth and splitpush. Jungle isn't good in 5v5 but in a game like this, nature prophet can push any lane and BB can't catch every push. Also always have a TP scroll This is who we use to win Low prio games way back when people use to 5 man mid
i didnt watch the stream but i assume what hero quinn is about to use isnt revealed yet. if quinn pick like a medusa he could possibly outpush and outfarm the herald
You absolutely do not want to put multiple heroes mid. You're only feeding quinn and taking pressure off the sidelanes. If I was coaching the heralds I would tell them to pick Kotl mid whose job for the entire game is to mirror quinn and spam Q on the wave from a mile away, two zoo heroes whose job is to occupy the 2 lanes quinn isn't in and push hard, and two CC heroes like Bane and Shadow Shaman whose job is to support the push strat in the early game, and then once getting sufficient levels in their skills they follow quinn around and keep him chain stunned to waste his time and prevent him from tping to defend his rax
@@dm9910 The 2 heroes mid wouldn't lane in the traditional sense. Only spamming long range wave clear in case Quinn push early. Kotl like you said and maybe a lina. The other heroes also need to be good at hitting towers. In this game, pretty much only Clinks could hit towers. Also, their lack of tp in the beginning when Quinn still couldn't 2 shot them was a mistake. Late game, he did so much damage it didn't matter, but in the beginning there's no way he kills you during tp channel
WTF how come they didn’t invite me?? When doing an experiment the first thing u need to make sure is the control group doesn’t change!!! U gotta keep the old herald team for it to be fair and accurate experiment! SMH BOULDER
this actually makes me think about why doesnt 2v2 mid tournaments exist in dota 2, people played them in dota 1, it was its own game, pretty interesting
Why they went 3 people mid is beyond me. Just put a Shaman mid who can perma stun him with E and stop him from farming and someone else who can farm with impunity due to that. The other 3 people one top one bot to free farm and one jungle for more free farm since he can probably take their jungle too. 3 free farmers = gg but hey it's heralds. . . Edit: By that last statement, I meant that they can't farm for jack so I dunno if that would have even worked 😂
It seems Bristle would be a pretty poor choice but then you forget how poor Herald decision making is, feeding Bristle making him faceroll everything. I'd have guessed Quinn would pick a proper carry and assassinate ppl then be able to easily go 1v5. Quinn put all-in on Heralds making extremely poor decisions by picking Bristle and it paid really well. Dying to Bristle passive for no reason is a classic herald move, especially team cooperation to wipe together.
eyyyy jenkins nice content as always. but i have a super secret sauce for your videos. there is this russian guy meeponegeroi on youtube that makes these kind of videos with moded stuff and pro players. like making invoker with god mode as he calls it, and putting up 5 pros against 1 pro player on this "god" moded hero. pretty fun stuff and also balanced. his custom games are available to anyone so you can just download it. i wonder what it would look like if it was eu/us players, rather than cis region players
How do they all always have no mana, when theyve been off farming on their own lanes. I can maybe understand primal having no mana. But damn what they doing in venge? Spamming stun on creeps to farm while solo?
