Can The Worst RTX Graphics Card Do Ray Tracing? 

Nvidia keeps releasing lines of new cards without really an invocation.

Follows Nvidia trends though.

@@JS-ji5fl to be fair, the 3060 TI was on par with a 2080 Super. All of the high end 3000 series cards were a improvement

@E E uh no the 3060 TI is better than a 2070 Super and on par with a 2080 Super

@E E 2080 super and 3060ti and very similar but 3060 ti is usually better

RT reminds of 3D on the 3DS. I'd turn it on for a few seconds, go "that's neat" and promptly turn it off forever because it cut the framerate in half.

@@devilmikey00 did the 3ds get worse fps with 3d on? If so I didn’t know that. Or are you talking about ray tracing?

@@lgkninja I believe it’s slightly worse but given it’s a console and every game is specifically designed for the console I doubt it’s by that much….

yeah, dlss is one of the reasons i went for nvidia instead of radeon, despite the radeon being technically slightly faster

I agree, dlss was why I went with nvidia. Imo ray tracing is overhyped and not worth the loss in fps

Shows how unoptimized Ray tracing is

What do you have

A 3200G;-;

@@Francy.Dan71 Gt 710

Yep, I don't wanna fucking RTX 4090 when i can have 3050. I don't play AAA games with ultra max graphics which doesn't make sense anyways. It's good because it mostly does its job at 1080p. I had a Nvidia GT-400 or something before.

I have rtx 3050 16 gb version it can do 4K at 40 fps 1440P 113 fps

Cool! That’s a huge upgrade and I’m glad to hear you’re happy with your new GPU. 😁

@@DawidDoesTechStuff All I can say is hard work paid off 😀. Just had to grab the card when I saw it for such a good price.

that's exactly what I'm doing haha

You playing cybercuck?

Im still with the 1050ti, waiting for the new series

It still makes a pretty big impact in open world games with dynamic light and weather systems where baked in lighting is more difficult to get right.

it does make a big difference, you only need to know where to look at.

@@igorrafael7429 lol minecraft with ray tracing looks super good. Especially paired with shaders.

I’d say it’s a pretty big impact considering how little it actually does visually lol. Cyberpunk in 4K on a 3090 with rtx on gets like 20 fps

Yeah, pretty much the only thing raytracing currently does noticeably better than the “faked” methods is reflections, in my opinion. Honestly though, with time, I feel like AMD and Nvidia probably could have developed new techniques to further improve realism in game without relying on the brute force method that is raytracing.

Yea they will just keep selling you cards with lesser power but you can use DLSS right and game devs can continue to use it as a crutch

@@wasd-moves-me Whilst I agree game dev got lazy, blaming DLSS isn't really what I will do right now, since vast majority of PC gamer don't have access to DLSS yet. Maybe another 5 year we will start to see horribly optimized game coming out, but with absolutely immaculate DLSS implementation.

Well actually... it's not great... you can see if you're running a lesser card (like me) that the DLSS is just upscaling... from time to time, when you hit the demanding stuff, you will get reminded of just how poor you are... -there's more, because the errors in development just stays there, for example Cyberpunk... every time you look in the mirror it looks like 360p... like... you are not moving! -Why does this need upscaling?!?? ...and sudden texture changes, when just driving around in the desert... there's lots more, but my point is: save up for an xx80, or xx90, don't let yourself be dependent on DLSS... it's just not worth it.

IF.

Well, yeah, playing at 720p in 2022 will definitely help the GPUs to push out higher fidelity graphics.

Which speaks volumes really.

That means the GPU is being fully utilized. That’s not a bad thing.

gpu at 100% isnt a bad thing its just how gpus go they arent like ram or cpu

umm thats a good thing its when the gpu dips below 90% or so the cpu isnt processing quick enough so what are you talking about?

@@infiniteblaz3416 And that speaks very bad of the CPU, because it's not doing anything. Or you can look at it another way and say the GPU is pretty much sweating at this point constantly being forced to running at 99%. How is that NOT a bad thing? You're not supposed to 100% your GPU all the time, and same goes for the CPU.

Yeah, I do blender rendering and video editing, on top of gaming but I’m coming from a 1050. I bought the card (was supposed to come in today, but nope, last minute shipping update changed to tomorrow instead) But I haven’t gotten to get into any new era cards and the 1050 was starting to fail in certain aspects on newer games I tried playing. The 3050 intrigued me and was a budget rtx card, the benchmarks are promising and it’ll increase my workflow with blender and video editing by a fuck ton

@@DrastixMachina yo tell me how it does when you test it

i mean, i can play elden ring on max with barely any stuttering. good enough for me

Hello from a guy who upgraded from uhd 620

same here.. this is mindblowingly good for the games i play with it.. i dont need 4k@120fps, just something that looks good on a laptop..

Technically doable. You'd also need to flash a hacked bios that was able to manage the added memory, and you might run into issues with artificially limited memory channels (e.g., if nvidia used poorly binned silicon for the lower tier cards like Intel does then there might be no physical connection between the actual gpu and the memory channels for the newly installed vram). If nvidia didn't A) physically sever the data lanes for the memory and B) you could convince the bios on the card, the bios on your computer, the drivers on your computer, and the memory management across the whole... Well, then sure! It might be as simple as soldering it on and flashing the bios from a higher tiered card (e.g., a 3090 with 24gb ram) and matching the memory one-to-one with the flashed bios's expected memory configuration. You'd then just have to tell the card to limit itself to only using the CUDA/RTX cores that your 3050 actually has (so it doesn't attempt to compute data on cores that don't exist) and also limit the max power draw for the card to match the specifications of the 3050. Things like fan speed control and display output should just work as-is. Super simply: yes, that's basically what nvidia/MSI/Asus etc do. They produce thousands of boards that can accept several GPU configurations (3050/3060/3060ti/3070 etc) and simply stamp the required components onto the board. You could absolutely do that yourself but anybody with the knowledge and skills required to do so almost certainly wouldn't need to do so as they likely have a very profitable job working for nvidia already and could just buy a brand new 4090ti ;)

To me at least the reflections are the most noticeable change. While full global illumination would be nice, almost no games use it yet because it is just so hard to run, and even then, the only time it does much is in dark areas with minimal lighting sources, for example, dark caves with a few torches in minecraft. Reflections are far more noticeable and improved overall, all for minimal performance drops. DOOM Eternal's RT reflections are really well done and the non RT global illumination looks extremely good as well.

@@stonedassnecoarc Cyberpunk has great reflections and GI

That’s a very good point. Hopefully we will start too see that more as the new Unreal engine starts showing up in more games.

@@stonedassnecoarc Dying Light 2 is pretty much the poster boy for RT GI at the moment, don't even have to know what you're looking for to see the differences in a lot of environments when turning it on and off. Definitely worth taking a look at if you want something that's a bit more drastic looking.

@@DawidDoesTechStuff can i teste my motherboard without a cpu fan before i plut in my pc

Well, at least his honest about gigashit quality

better to have honest opinions instead of someone being all flattery and soft just because they got sent a free gpu

@@mrducky179 But this GPU appears to be perfectly fine so it was possible to express an honest opinion without roasting Gigabyte for their previous fuckup. :P

@@mrducky179 exactly. I've had 2 Gigabyte boards. Intel and AMD one. Both died after like 5-7 years, while in other PC I had an Asus board which works well till this day. I'm using MSI Tomahawk Max B450 in my main rig now and so far no issues

@@Forseti008 fair enough but we all know dawid for his sarcasm

As far as I can tell Blender uses CUDA cores to do the raytracing. A typical RTX application does one (!) raytracing pass and then uses a neural network to add detail. Blender needs to do hundreds of passes as it gathers the details for each pixel. Also, take into account the material simulation in Blender is probably more complex than the ones you can define in RTX.

Yep, that's why a sold my RX5600XT and buy a RTX 3050...

@@juliusfucik4011 No, that was in the past. Blender's Cycles renderer added support for the OptiX API which makes use of some of Nvidia's other cores producing a huge speedup. CUDA only is still an option but it's vastly slower than OptiX if the GPU supports it

Can it use AMD's RT cores?

@@user-lk7cv8vg7r the problem is not whether if it can use amd'a rt cores but amd's support on these apps are lackluster. You need to buy plugins to be able to render properly using amd's gpu, even then it has problems too

I was thinking there might also be memory on the other side of the PCB, but I'm not sure if that's the case with the 3050.

I doubt those soft squishy pads do anything for mounting pressure. The real reason is that the memory modules in different locations on different cards but they just put in the thermal pads on all locations so to not have to determine a different pad placement for every possible location for 4 VRAM packages.

Should have put more ram on it then. I mean wtf bother leaving them empty. cop out IMHO.

@@buggerlugz6753 Because that would change the specs off the card: each memory package uses a 32bit interface. Using 4 means the card has 128bit memory bus. But add 2 more and now you have 192bit memory bus which is the same as the 3060. The memory bus also determines the size of VRAM you can have, and 12GB already seemed like too much for the 3060 but the other option was 6GB. 8GB is a good middle ground for the 3050.

That’s a very good point! Makes complete sense. Thanks for pointing that out.

Ayyyy! That makes complete sense.

Haha!! That makes sense. Also explains why it didn’t have much of a performance effect.

Also it doesn't use the RT cores, unlike the other games.

@@QWERTYCommander I heard from someone in the Crysis discord that It actually does, as if you have an RTX card or RDNA 2 GPU, it has a seperate Vulkan layer API to handle hardware acceleration for Crysis 1 remastered.

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going from patch 1.1 to 1.5 (had not played the game in a while xD) i went from 27 to 38fps in the same place, same settings

How you getting on? I've ordered an Asus OC 3050, coming from a 980. After spending ages looking around and seeing the horrible 3060 prices etc I thought this is a good in between card. You get the new tech etc. But after I ordered I did start to think, omg have I made a mistake. Especially as the price isn't mega low still. I'm at 1080p on a nice 22" monitor.

Enjoy ur card brother.

@@unlimitedbagels I'm happy with it, and yea it will be a good upgrade for u if ur going to use it in ur current setup

You should definitely see a big difference... have fun ;)

Update : upgraded my monitor to 1440p ultra wide and 3050 gets me mostly 90fps to 100 on apex with 1440p settings. I still think it's bang for ur buck with current prices coming down and if don't want to spend much on gpu also I think if u have don't have a fairly new setup new gpus won't even run with 100% potential.

I felt a little attacked. This is the exact card in my system and I feel pretty good about it. You need dlss, but it runs great

I am thinking of getting a bunch of upgrades for my pc in the future and i am wondering what cpu are you running? I am thinking about getting a ryzen 5600x and in the future get the 3050. I currently have a rx570 4gb

@@socrguy123 I'm running the Palit dual OC version, and it has been working great. The max temp I saw was 79°C but that is probably because I'm using a 14 year old case which has absolutely no ventilation, but I'll be getting a new case soon and that should improve thermals

@@danyscrub2344 I have the 11600kf and 32 gb of crucial ballistix 3200mhz. Probably a little overkill for this, but plenty of room to grow

@@socrguy123 yea that is definitely overkill XD. I'm running a Ryzen 5 Pro 3350G which is basically an OEM only CPU but I managed to get it for $180 and I'm running 16 GB of RAM that is capable of 3200MHz but it's capped at 2933MHz due to CPU limitations and my Palit RTX 3050 OC, but all of this nice shiny hardware is in a 14 year old PC case rn so I'm planning to get a new case soon

The 3050 is in a weird spot performance wise, at least right now while there's still brand new 2060's available that cost the same or less and perform better.

but that's a lie, the 3050 is better than the 1660ti in power since the 3050 is equivalent to the 1070

@@JorgeDimton Not really an upside. The only real upside is DLSS, which 1660 doesnt have, but power "savings" would never justify new card cost, you literally spend more on card then few years worth of electricity FOR WHOLE SYSTEM, not the difference.

@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 First of all, if there is a difference in energy consumption. Not everyone has power supplies of 500w or more, I know that power supplies are not especially expensive but they are an expense, and they get more expensive the more bats they have. I talk about energy consumption by source, and to a lesser extent but with equal importance, electricity expenditure. That's point number one. Point number two: The RTX 3050, although in my opinion it is not worth it, it is cheap. Very cheap, costing less than $200 for the 8 gigabytes of vram model. That is, for a little more money, compared to what a 1660Ti or 1660 Super costs, you have the RTX 3050 that comes with 8 gigabytes of vram, and not the 6 gigabytes that all GTX 1660 models have, in addition to coming with more power (Since the RTX 3050 performs the same, or similar, as the GTX 1070. That is, it is more powerful than the GTX 1660, 1660Ti and 1660 Super). Without mentioning that it comes with DLSS 2.4 and supports Ray tracing: Bad, of course, since the 3050 is the least powerful RTX, but it can handle ray tracing and does it much better than the very limited ability to handle Ray tracing that the GTX has 1660, 1660Ti and 1660 Super. That and the 3050 consumes less energy, therefore, it does not need a source of more than 500 watts, and therefore, your electricity expenditure is lower. And all for, at best, $150... the same $150 that the GTX 1660, 16060Ti and 1660 Super cost you. Bottom line: The RTX 3050 is absolutely, and without a doubt, a much better option than the 1660, 1660Ti and 1660 Super. But it's better at everything, literally everything. There isn't a single thing that the 1660, and its models, are better at. Literally NOTHING.

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907To be fair, without DLSS at medium 1080p on CP2077 I get like 25fps. With DLSS+FG mod now I constantly hit 60+ up to 80. Sparked new life into my 3050 laptop. This alone is a massive improvement.

The 2070 super smokes the 3050 and 3060

They are really annoying

It's kinda sad when even references to sex are immediately picked up...

I really hope that day doesn’t come. 😅

do two rtx 3050's in sli equal an rtx 3060 or 3070?

@@raven4k998 no

For me, its very hard to see the differences with RT on in Cyberpunk. Game looks good with regular old lighting. What kind of FPS are you getting? What are your settings? I ask because I cannot find the right setting set up.

@@msquirrel1 I have a 3060 too, and I use all high and ultra settings, dlss quality, only rt reflections, on 1080p, and I get 70+ fps at all times

@@lilapple thanks! Ill try it out!

That was the only difference I noticed, puddle reflections. Welcome to the PC Master Race.

@@msquirrel1 I went from a 1660 super to a 2070 super and didn’t think the lighting really changed. I know everything else looks better but the lighting doesn’t look like it even changed.

encourage him to add more ram to his rtx 3050 and fill those empty ram spots for shits and giggles factor

Haha! Yeah that’s true. To be fair, it was “only” on a 1080p monitor. So the jump from 720p wasn’t too huge. 😁

"...ain't gonna." Really?

Which shows how uselessly implemented ray tracing is.

@@buggerlugz6753 yeah it’s honestly kinda sad

try ray tracing on Minecraft lmao

shadow of the tomb raider looks incredible at max settings with ray tracing on max

I honestly thought that was just me. When you go into the settings and turn it on, you see the difference in the little example display. But as soon as I start playing the game, I honestly can't tell any difference. It's almost like I'm not even looking at the ray tracing, because I'm too busy trying to focus on where the next chair soiling incident is coming from.

You need an optician if you can't see the immediate massive difference in Metro with RT on/off

@@petrolhead0387 I think part of the problem is that the pre-baked lighting is so mature. I think it will be more noticeable for smaller budget games (like that one ps5 indie title that uses it to get really nice reflections inside of rain puddles with almost no work done programing).

@@StuTheMoose Oh I noticed a bit of difference in metro, the problem was it didn't look any better, just different. In some areas it actually looked worse. Zero point in using that setting. Seems like the only games that could benefit are ones with poor lighting to begin with

Jesus Christ I don’t understand how people still say this. Makes me think you’ve never actually played with rt on. Games like metro enhanced, control, cyberpunk, and Spider-Man on the ps5 look absolutely beautiful with ray tracing. Yeah it crushes fps but that’s on the game developers, the lower end specs of the ps5 can run rt just fine.

I've been expecting it any day now. They will probably recycle misfab chips.

That’s a good point. I wonder if we will ever see something like that.

@@DawidDoesTechStuff RTX 710 2022 Edition! Just 500 Bucks, please...

that thing draws less than my cpu on idle lmao

The 6500XT has the best slideshow raytracing experience

The 6500XT and RTX 3050 could be stepsiblings. Either way the only people getting shafted with this crap is the customers.

I guess we will have to give the RX 6500 XT a run at ray tracing then. 😁

The one thing in the RX 6500 XT's favour is that you can actually buy it at MRSP. The equivalent 'new' Nvidia card in the UK at the same price point is a GTX 1650!

@@ShinyHelmet 1650 in the UK is 120. 6500xt is 250. 3050 is 350. Which is insane seeing as a 2060 is 320-350

DLSS is good, but you'd probably be able to tell in some cases if you were actually looking for differences.

My problem with DLSS is simple: it works only on some GPUs and in some games. I would love to see standarizied approach to technique like that, I know FSR is kind of there, but currently it can't be constantly turned on in nvidia drivers.

only game worth ray tracing on is minecraft :)

@@Kocan7 FSR is just marginally less shitty spatial upscaling. It cannot add detail to an image in the way that temporal upscaling with a neural net can. Can we end this meme that FSR is somehow comparable to DLSS when any FSR image immediately looks like dogshit compared to native?

@@The101damnations I just literally mentioned that FSR exists. I guess anyone can have bad day, is everything okay?

Ray tracing is really more of a developer helper than anything else. Baking lighting into games without ray tracing is an archaic mess of work-arounds and fudging. But it's a mess that people in the game developing world have gotten very used to (since it is literally the only way games have had lighting since games were a thing - with few exceptions). With ray tracing, the developer can put a light in a scene and it just works - no fudging needed. If you don't notice much of a difference with ray tracing enabled, it means that the developers did a great job with fudging the lighting. DLSS, on the other hand, just seems like fudging to me. If I play a game at a certain resolution, I want the game to render at that resolution. I may be skewed in my opinion a little since I've been using 4k monitors for so long, but I can immediately notice the drop in resolution with DLSS on. I would much rather just tinker with the settings for a few minutes for a game to run smoothly.

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naw more like “hold my juicebox”

@@SiegeRock "hold my sippycup"

@@PottyShidder more like “hold my formula”

@@SiegeRock More like "hold my amniotic fluid"

At £400? honestly, a console would be on a different plane of reality better.

@@buggerlugz6753 I'm talking about MSRP,, and I am perfectly contempt in waiting for the actual gpu prices to be msrp. Also, in terms of consoles, I already own a PS5 and both last gen consoles so.

@@kiimaro 8 months later and gpu prices are good on ebay

Isn't Quadro workstation cards tho?

@@whatdahek Yes sure, but this one is just a 1650 with less cores so it doesn't change that much things. Maybe you'll get better image quality / better colors but that's just better lol

@@whatdahek Also Quadro cards often have wayy better performance per watts than GeForce Cards

Yup. It’s a 1660ti with dlss and minimal rtx support

Nah not really, it's more like an unreleased RTX 2050 but somehow slightly worse. 1660ti with dlss sounds about right though.

yea I do agree with you, I do have a 3050 but its a completely different model but what it does best is at upscaling and DLSS. You can run RTX on but that will absolutely hurt your performance, but to me since I only play games at 108p its more that enough.

@@iq6796 Turning RTX on in a 3050 is kinda like putting a tiger next to like a regular ol housecat, it will not end well for the housecat. Same as the 3050, its performance will go to shit.

@@TeamHELPER DLSS is one of the main features of the 3050 which makes it better than a 1660 Ti in Ray tracing performance, and the extra VRAM definitely helps a little

You and many others in this thread seriously need to consult an optician

@@StuTheMoose not every game implements ray tracing well

@@StuTheMoose Thank you Jensen very cool

I wanted to get 3050 to replace my 1070 but it gets less FPS in FH5 than my 1070. (ROG STRIX OC Edition)

@@Minto107 well the mighty 1070 still strong being equal 3050 so u should save up bit more if u want replace it

3050 is basically just a 1070 with less power draw and dlss, theres no other major differences

Why? Your RTX 2080 is better than rx 6600

@@okami9039 I said if my 2080 would break. 😊

@@SgtRock4445 then get a better one you'll just degrade your performance if you go for rx 6600 if RTX 2080 breaks lol

@@okami9039 are you joking or do you just not understand his comment

@@fwsavage that was two months ago so...

yeah i have gtx 650

@@dynoisnothere i have 680😳

@@FS--ew3se heck yeah gtx 600 series gang

I have a 750ti, because I'm a serious gamer.

@@SSJfraz thats cute. The 710 is clearly the best graphics card of all time

In future 3050 more fps than 2060 because have 8gb vram

@@ArioyOkur ...no? the 2060 has 6gb vram already, and the difference between 6gb and 8gb isn't a lot both are 1080p cards and that isn't gonna change, and 6-8gb is generally sufficient for 1080p

@@ArioyOkur It have worse bus. So it "better" only in capacity, everything else is worse.