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Can We Compete With China While Avoiding War? 

Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft
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Kelley Vlahos, Editorial Director at Responsible Statecraft, moderates a panel on "American Prosperity" featuring Saagar Enjeti, David Goldman, and Jake Werner at Quincy Institute's Conference, "A Foreign Policy for the Middle Class."
Panel #2 on American Prosperity centers in on US-China relations, with speakers debating the best approach to competing with China. Some argue for a more aggressive stance, while others advocate for a nuanced approach that balances competitiveness and innovation with maintaining a sustainable connection to China.
Kelley Beaucar Vlahos is a senior advisor at the Quincy Institute and editorial director of its online magazine, Responsible Statecraft. Previously she served as executive editor managing editor, and longtime foreign policy/national security writer at the American Conservative magazine. She also spent 15 years as an online political reporter for Fox News.
Saagar Enjeti is co-host of the popular political podcast, Breaking Points. Before that he co-hosted The Hill's Rising podcast. He is also a Tony Blankley fellow at the Steamboat Institute. He previously served as media fellow at Hudson Institute, and White House Correspondent for the Daily Caller.
David Goldman is Deputy Editor of Asia Times and a Washington Fellow of the Claremont Institute. He is also a contributing editor at American Affairs. Formerly he headed several research departments at major Wall Street firms, and was a partner at the Hong Kong investment bank Reorient Group. His book, "You Will Be Assimilated: China's Plan to Sino-Form the World" was published in 2020.
Jake Werner is the Acting Director of the East Asia program at the Quincy Institute. His research examines the emergence of great power conflict between the U.S. and China and develops policies to rebuild constructive economic relations. Prior to joining Quincy, Jake was a Postdoctoral Global China Research Fellow at the Boston University Global Development Policy Center.

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@EZ-rs5zv
@EZ-rs5zv 27 дней назад
Avoiding war with China can be VERY easily avoided. China has only ONE red line, Taiwan. As long as the "One China" policy is maintained there will not be war. The US can help ensure peace by telling their Taiwanese stooges to shut up with the independence talk.
@jrkr7357
@jrkr7357 27 дней назад
Right, no country can tolerate part of it being separated to become another sovereign country
@Antiwumao
@Antiwumao 27 дней назад
@@jrkr7357 Scotland was allowed to vote to leave the UK and they chose to remain. You are wrong
@wankee888
@wankee888 27 дней назад
Correct all the so call experts are the one pushing the world towards Armageddon
@user-lx1re3fn2u
@user-lx1re3fn2u 27 дней назад
​@@AntiwumaoChina is not the UK, and Taiwan is not Scotland. Can you ask the US to give up Hawaii?
@luispnrf
@luispnrf 27 дней назад
@@Antiwumao But UK is not a country. England is a country, Scotland is a country. Scotland leaving UK is more or less (but not exactly) the same as UK leaving European Union.
@robertseaborne5758
@robertseaborne5758 27 дней назад
Stupid question. Best ask Why don't we cooperate with China and forget about war?
@michaeltse321
@michaeltse321 27 дней назад
US wouldn't win in a war. They couldn't even beat Afganistain.
@palmpalm5131
@palmpalm5131 27 дней назад
Couldn’t have said it better.
@Crescendotron
@Crescendotron 27 дней назад
Rightly put ..
@luispnrf
@luispnrf 27 дней назад
Bringing logic and common sense to the internet? Be carefull or it won't be long before you get insulted. 😆
@crhu319
@crhu319 27 дней назад
It's a murka. Not possible.
@alainmcin
@alainmcin 27 дней назад
The US arming Taiwan is like China arming Hawaii to separate from the union.....do you see how ridicule this is...
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
It isn't the same, Hawaii was illegally occupied having their monarchy brutally removed & killed. Maybe try Florida...
@alainmcin
@alainmcin 25 дней назад
@@YCHTT My first thought was Texas, but yes you are correct
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
@@alainmcin I didn't say Texas or California because it was taken away from the Mexicans. Of course in fact most parts of US were taken from the Natives.
@w1serepeater972
@w1serepeater972 22 дня назад
@@YCHTT If the Taiwanese are to overthrow their ROC (i.e. a de juri Chinese) government and form a new nation-state, that would be similar to how Texas seceded from Mexico. It is a bit ironic that the US was a belligerent party to said war and would probably be a party to the Taiwan war too.
@stayfree870
@stayfree870 22 дня назад
Or Russia taking back Alaska.
@bernardtan4609
@bernardtan4609 27 дней назад
Taiwan is not country. I think you fail your history.
@DK-ev9dg
@DK-ev9dg 27 дней назад
Taiwan is province of China.
@Antiwumao
@Antiwumao 27 дней назад
Taiwan is a country by every single metric and has a democratically elected government which is more legitimate than the unelected CCP in mainland china
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
It's a island call Taiwan, part of China before 1893.
@douglasstanley5209
@douglasstanley5209 26 дней назад
China has explored the far side of the Moon, build their own satellites, etc. Give them another 5 years or less. When semiconductor is no longer the edge of Taiwan and there is no advantage of US protecting Taiwan, you will see the true color of US. William Lai has 4 years term. We should see it in his term.
@ericf1461
@ericf1461 26 дней назад
@@chriswong9158 Taiwan has been part of China since 1700’s , Dutch occupied for period of time, Japan ruled it for 50 years after kicked Qin Dynasty butt in war. ..
@xiaoyunchen8337
@xiaoyunchen8337 26 дней назад
USA was a great country and that's why i came here >20 years ago. however, since Obama's 'pivot to Asia' followed by Trump and Biden's unsuccessful attempt to contain China, USA is no longer the USA i knew. it spent most of its effort and attention trying to suppress others instead of improving itself. it's a very sad decline to witness...
@katong1953
@katong1953 24 дня назад
Suppressing China's rise is a fool's errand.
@katong1953
@katong1953 24 дня назад
@xiaoyunchen. My post agreeimg with your sentiments was swiftly censored by UT. Freedom of speech my foot. They are that desperate.
@mbvgvskvrs868
@mbvgvskvrs868 23 дня назад
You forgot Bush's 9/11 and the 2008 financial abyss.
@alexma3939
@alexma3939 22 дня назад
Absurd absolutely
@davidlai399
@davidlai399 22 дня назад
@@mbvgvskvrs868true the world is dealing with the aftermath of 2008
@termyfl2677
@termyfl2677 27 дней назад
You are not competing, you are oppressing, period
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 10 дней назад
Lol, US policy is what started China's rise and prosperity in the first place.
@fatdoi003
@fatdoi003 8 дней назад
exactly... sanction ain't competition
@ratumelimatanatoto2488
@ratumelimatanatoto2488 26 дней назад
This panel showed the decay and decline of the USA and the West.
@ivybae9906
@ivybae9906 22 дня назад
Yep. When merrrrikans are talking abt avoiding war, u know they are actually planning to head towards war
@ideally6849
@ideally6849 28 дней назад
Problem is that US has lost confidence of competing with China in economic terms.
@thisiskevin1000
@thisiskevin1000 25 дней назад
But first, US manufacturing has long lost to Western European (mostly German, Dutch, Nordic, French, Austrian, Swiss, Spanish, Czech and Italian), Japanese, Turkish, Mexican, Brazilian and South Korean ones before China and India enter the picture. The supply chain networks has becoming more de-centralized than before in part thanks to the trade war former US president Donald Trump waged versus all of its major trading partners. Why there are still “Conspiracy theories” about 4th industrial revolution and the geopolitical shifts aided allegedly by banksters without looking into data and non-western alternatives on the ground? The Marshall Plan folks, research!
@tonyatgoogle6076
@tonyatgoogle6076 25 дней назад
I think that is the main reason
@watchman835
@watchman835 24 дня назад
I agree with US. 😂😂😂
@qwqw-hj1lo
@qwqw-hj1lo 23 дня назад
Soon technological terms
@ideally6849
@ideally6849 23 дня назад
@@qwqw-hj1lo that means war sadly.
@hsingkao2024
@hsingkao2024 25 дней назад
This is the dumbest bully's mentality when loosing a game.
@eddyg4742
@eddyg4742 27 дней назад
"Competition rooted fundamentally in the game of fairness" LOL USA is already competing unfairly on the global stage with the ability to print the dollar. That gives them media dominance, financial dominance, military dominance, tech and talents dominance, resources dominance. The USA has no rights to claim they play in a fair competition. The USA is losing a handicapped game where it has a great advantage over all other players, and it's jumping up and down. Please grow up!
@dice138
@dice138 27 дней назад
Yup, just ask the Japanese what happened to them back in the 80s.
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
@@dice138 To be more clear, after 1985 signing the "Plaza Agreement" with USA.
@jsyo9639
@jsyo9639 25 дней назад
⁠@@dice138The Japanese lost trillions and never got out of recession. Today their economy is kaput.
@mbvgvskvrs868
@mbvgvskvrs868 23 дня назад
@@dice138 It worked with Japan because it's a US vassal under military occupation. China is a free sovereign nation.
@jackhuynh2489
@jackhuynh2489 5 дней назад
I couldn’t have say it better 👏🏼
@lv9657
@lv9657 26 дней назад
Hegemony, which country invaded dozens of countries and killed millions of civilians in the occupied territories!
@samliew6610
@samliew6610 18 дней назад
China is NOT a hagemon but US is!
@stevenliew2507
@stevenliew2507 27 дней назад
The US Government gave Tesla USD34B as subsidy to Tesla while the Chinese Government only gave USD2B to the whole of China EV manufacturers which are in the tens or maybe in the hundred.😂😂
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
For Elon packet the 30Bn
@agusedyanto3324
@agusedyanto3324 23 дня назад
The US government always accuses other parties of doing things that they themselves did
@level1selamat155
@level1selamat155 22 дня назад
Never heard...too big a sum to be true
@bankaa9293
@bankaa9293 20 дней назад
34:21 he thinks the best solution would be to bring Chinese companies in United States and then steal their IP. In that case, the more Chinese gov subsidy, the better.
@remix-yy1hs
@remix-yy1hs 14 дней назад
​@level1selamat155 you can look it up. It's true. And the same for banks to buy back stocks and hit new highs and when we invest like game stop they close us out. Like robinhood app remember. Wake up
@johnconover52
@johnconover52 27 дней назад
Why do we have to worry about China growth when they’re not concerned about ours?
@samliew6610
@samliew6610 18 дней назад
This is the mentality of sore losers who can't compete and can't take losses.
@azzevria8034
@azzevria8034 13 дней назад
The tone of the debate is clear - the US is having great difficulties competing with China. Yet, none of the speakers were willing to confront the huge elephants in the room. ELEPHANT 1 - The brutally adversarial US political system that constantly makes mince meat out of the other cannot be singular focused, effective and efficient. That's liberal democracy's claim to fame. A family where mom and dad is constantly at each other's throats can't be a happy, united and productive family. ELEPHANT 2 - Ronald Reagan said the "Government is the problem". Since then, government was essentially privatised and thus begin the gradual decline of America. Until this doctrine is reversed, America's decline will continue. COMPETENT government is your solution. ELEPHANT 3 - "It's not our fault. It's China's fault." The first principle for any alcoholic to find a cure is to admit he is an alcoholic. America has some serious domestic issues it must address before America can compete with China. Start by fixing ELEPHANT 1 AND 2. Then, with all the humility one can muster, let the 250-year young America learn from the 3,000 years old civilisation called China.
@caitlynj7466
@caitlynj7466 25 дней назад
The whole US / China problem can be explained as follows: back in 1990s, US large corporations dumped their US based manufactures for China's cheap labors. Since then, these companies made tons of money, and China was their good friend. However, US blue collar workers got fucked (for losing their jobs). Fast moving to 2010, the Chinese local companies got more and more competitive and kicked out the US companies one by one. Now these same US companies got pissed off and starting to blame the Chinese for stealing jobs from the Americans (but who initiated this for God sake). Now in 2024, these Chinese companies are chasing out the US companies everywhere in the world (such as the EV market). The sour losers in US are thinking of wars to stop this! Forget about fair competition or free trade. But David P. Goldman was spot on: the Chinese has the home court advantage, so a war close to Taiwan will not happen.
@slc801
@slc801 14 дней назад
The US expect china to continue making low end product but that is not the Chinese DNA
@vamoua4036
@vamoua4036 13 дней назад
Spot on.🎉🎉🎉
@franzMong
@franzMong 12 дней назад
It is the same corporations which wanted to make money by outsourcing factories to China, due to cheap labor there. It is the Greedy that was behind the move. After outsourcing to China ( and other cheap labor countries ), US ,due to gradual higher and higher wages , just can NOT produce anymore and the products produced in US are too expensive for average Americans. So don't blame Chinese. Blame the greedy US corporations.
@rockyrocki-fo4sl
@rockyrocki-fo4sl 9 дней назад
Then chinese ensured it's them manufacturing.If u American want to manufacture in China & you surrender everything to these Chinese.The money stays at home,tooling, how to make the product. 2008 china bailout GM on premise that research facility in south Korea moved to china (saic), which means the technology you were researching was in the hands. The Chinese have outsmart the industrialist nations.
@fatdoi003
@fatdoi003 8 дней назад
@@franzMong these days it's not about cheap labour anymore.... it's the complete supply chain for all the parts
@ansa336
@ansa336 27 дней назад
Close your is eyes and imagine this was 20 years ago, they would have been talking about Japan. The thing they all do not understand is that China is not Japan.
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
Also the nail in Japan coffin were China PRC will not be trap in, is the "Plaza Agreement of 1985" USA with Japan
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
Actually more than 20 years ago, it happened in the 80s. Same with Donald Trump said the same thing then against Japan like he was talking about China.
@stayfree870
@stayfree870 22 дня назад
I think it was 30 years ago in the 80s. I remember the negative propaganda well about Japan. But now Japanese cars are everywhere, what changed?
@Jimmy-tv8tv
@Jimmy-tv8tv 13 дней назад
But its chips industry had finished.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 10 дней назад
​@stayfree870 most Japanese cars sold in the US are built in the US. Thats one thing that chsnged.
@yx-l2853
@yx-l2853 12 дней назад
I am having my dinner and almost choked when the moderator said something about "hegemonic China", which is ABSOLUTELY absurd in comparison with how the RoW views the US. I paused the video to write this little note, and will move on to another video.
@leisurecide9478
@leisurecide9478 27 дней назад
These talks never invite and actual Chinese person to participate, I wonder why.
@eddychan2112
@eddychan2112 27 дней назад
Even if they invite one, it will be a 4 or 5 to one debate.
@user-yw4rx6kb3r
@user-yw4rx6kb3r 27 дней назад
Debate can only happen among equals. You guys must understand this first. I'm surprised that they didn't delete both of your guy's comments.
@raymondwu9483
@raymondwu9483 27 дней назад
@@user-yw4rx6kb3r Don't be so harsh on Americans.
@eddychan2112
@eddychan2112 27 дней назад
@@user-yw4rx6kb3r According to Google, "A debate is a formal public discussion on a particular topic or topics in which opposing arguments are presented. The debate could be between two or more individuals, for example candidates for president, or between advocates and opponents of a proposed law, for example in the US Congress or at a town hall meeting." Would this help you?
@eddychan2112
@eddychan2112 27 дней назад
@@user-yw4rx6kb3r According to Google, "A debate is a formal public discussion on a particular topic or topics in which opposing arguments are presented. The debate could be between two or more individuals, for example candidates for president, or between advocates and opponents of a proposed law, for example in the US Congress or at a town hall meeting." Would this help you?
@frankynatawigena1965
@frankynatawigena1965 27 дней назад
In fact, the reason why America really considers war is because he is lazy about competing, he thinks war will be a shortcut to dominating or maintaining his dominance, which is actually not that easy.
@jsyo9639
@jsyo9639 25 дней назад
How many veterans committed sde. They all dope up cos of stress ended up destroying themselves and all their love one. Have they even learn anything.
@user-lx1re3fn2u
@user-lx1re3fn2u 23 дня назад
​@@jsyo9639As the biggest immigrant country, the total population number has been keeping stagnant, what happened? They died due to the war the drugs and the terrible social security. No one no government cares about the civilians.
@gj8550
@gj8550 27 дней назад
20:51 'China graduates more engineers than the world combined'. RIGHT ON.
@oof7734
@oof7734 24 дня назад
Plus China innovates more than the USA does. That guy is just doing American flag waving by not understanding that
@level1selamat155
@level1selamat155 22 дня назад
Hopefully with qualify education because the best universities still in the US...look it up: US, Australia, Canada even NZ Mathematics Olympiads... almost 80% all Chinese kids
@gj8550
@gj8550 22 дня назад
@@level1selamat155 That’s all the more reason that China is outcompeting US. In technology. In addition to more engineers graduated domestically, many of the graduates from top universities worldwide return to China.
@mrj475
@mrj475 21 день назад
Lol, look at their population
@gj8550
@gj8550 21 день назад
@@mrj475 That’s clearly one of the factors. And it is directly affecting US competitiveness internationally. Don’t forget that about half of the STEM college graduates in US are foreign students; many of whom don’t stay and work in US.
@ismailalialiali1216
@ismailalialiali1216 27 дней назад
Who invented modern optical fiber? Also dont know, talked rubbish that America invented it. It was a young Shanghai engineer. physicist Charles Kao Charles Kao's Contribution: About 60 years ago, physicist Charles Kao proposed using glass fibers for telecommunications, a suggestion that earned him a Nobel Prize in 2009. Replacing Copper Wires: Kao's idea was initially met with skepticism but eventually replaced copper wires in telecommunication. Later he became a Professor in a USA university. I believed he is now kicked out of USA and now living in Hong Kong.
@raymondwu9483
@raymondwu9483 27 дней назад
He's in Hong Kong alright... but not living.
@agusedyanto3324
@agusedyanto3324 23 дня назад
Thank you for the information sir..I just found out about this
@user-lx1re3fn2u
@user-lx1re3fn2u 23 дня назад
​@@raymondwu9483So?
@level1selamat155
@level1selamat155 22 дня назад
Just Wikipediad it..2009: Nobel prize
@lagrangewei
@lagrangewei 14 дней назад
he return to HK due to dementia. he was not kicked out.
@tellemanndergaertner
@tellemanndergaertner 27 дней назад
Why is this even a question worthy of debate? The formulation of the question is really quite insightful as to how America views the world. Economic prosperity is a function of interaction and peace. To believe that engaging in a war with China (and over what exactly?) will do anything except hasten the decay of the US' global standing and outright crash its already imploding fiscal system is the height of folly and result of thinking based off of the essentially racist notions which are the origin of US foreign policy. China is a civilization with a history much longer than America's--why don't we try to learn something from them? Industrial policy would be a sensible start. The US used to be at the cutting edge in science, technology, and manufacturing, and it has now been overtaken by China. Instead of throwing a hissy fit and imposing sanctions on Chinese EVs solely on the basis of their being superior products offered for lower prices than any US offerings (an anti-capitalist logic), why not approach economic policy with new eyes and try to outcompete? To be honest, from my pov the education system in America is so poor that it would be hard to do this on our own, yet a peculiar strength of the American system is its ability to absorb and assimilate newcomers. So support them and our own students, give them the knowledge and resources they need to study today, and tomorrow they will invent the next best thing. We are so far from sensible society-building at the policymaking level. To every issue, our response is simply War! War should be reserved for defense of the nation, it is not a valid economic policy choice.
@bumbengtey8464
@bumbengtey8464 27 дней назад
Sound logic and eloquently stated
@wankee888
@wankee888 27 дней назад
George Bush gave us the war on terror.... Amer cannot exist without a war
@yaoliang1580
@yaoliang1580 27 дней назад
The US n its G7 n EU vassal states are now under the control of possessed criminals ie the neocons who are the real power behind the throne. Unless there is a revolution, which is unlikely as long as the USD hegemony remains in place, one should not expect any common sense n logic from them as all they khow is using raw power n zero sum games n scorch earth policies to try n contain the progress of any country they deemed a threat to their long held supremacy or do not align with their extremely toxic foreign policies
@paulodili751
@paulodili751 27 дней назад
Your points are so well stated I join you in restating the obvious question: war over what?
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
Exactly right? Imagine the question itself implies you may have to go to war against another country simply because you can't compete with it. Such immorality, only with repeated state of art propaganda and double speak would ever fool sheep to believe and agree to such immoral narrative.
@desmondho9567
@desmondho9567 25 дней назад
How US can maintain its no. 1 power. But not it's hegemonic power.? 1. US need to change many of its policy 180 degrees both external and internal policies. Starts with external policies. a) start reducing it's hostility towards Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. Stop the Ukraine conflicts and Palestine conflicts. b) reduce its military bases overseas that threaten Russia, Iran, China and North Korea. This will saves billions of dollars. Sell those overseas assets and repatriate the Dollars 💰 💵. c) cancel all sanctions against all other countries. d) stop interfere in other countries internal affairs. Stop regime change. e) stop weaponize the dollars and swifts system to maintain as public goods. Built back trust. Honored all agreement's to gain international trust. f) built back US deteriorating socially and economically. Improve all basics necessities and to reduce cost of living. Starts to re educates people on safety and reduce crimes, drugs, guns violence. Reduce homelessness. Eradicate corruption by those corporate and external fundings that control the US politicians and government. Just a few ideas, good luck US otherwise that's the end of American dreams. Period ❤❤❤❤❤
@ivybae9906
@ivybae9906 22 дня назад
Nah. The Us will just do the opposite and destroy itself frm inside which is a good thing for the rest of the world
@waichui2988
@waichui2988 27 дней назад
"Compete with China while avoiding war" is a MUST. I hope you people really discuss the horror of war between two great nuclear powers. The US and the Soviet Union consciously avoided direct war with each other throughout the entire Cold War era. That generation knew the horror of great power war. You better think about their wisdom. The most dangerous thing is to talk about great power war as if it is a regular thing. One thing I can assure you. At the end of a great power war, every participant is so damaged that you will absolutely lose whatever you are trying to preserve.
@yaoliang1580
@yaoliang1580 27 дней назад
Albert Einstein said he do not khow what weapons will be used in world war 3 but world war 4 will be fought with sticks n stones.
@yaoliang1580
@yaoliang1580 27 дней назад
Albert Einstein said he do not khow what weapons will be used in world war 3 but world war 4 will be fought with sticks n stones
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
Once a Confederate soldier who obviously didn't own any slaves. " When asked by a group of Yankee soldiers why he was fighting, the Rebel replied, "I'm fighting because you're down here,"
@brianliew5901
@brianliew5901 27 дней назад
America's competing with China is akin to sending a drunkard to win the Formula One race against some of the world's best racers. 🥳🥳🥳😂😂😂😂
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 27 дней назад
Chinese factories supplied the world with tons and tons of goods during the pandemic. Have people already forgotten all those Amazon orders left on your porch when you were working from home?
@mayleetan6518
@mayleetan6518 27 дней назад
US always think they are the victims and need defensive actions. In truth, China is the victim and what they are doing is defensive counter action. For example, US is the offensive by imposing 100% tariff. So China is defensive by counter tariff. Action and reaction.
@stayfree870
@stayfree870 22 дня назад
Tit for tat.
@kokoon2530
@kokoon2530 26 дней назад
The Indian guy just mumbling words with no substance.
@thejokerking9268
@thejokerking9268 24 дня назад
1989年6月天安门广场屠杀
@thejokerking9268
@thejokerking9268 24 дня назад
Coward
@ifeanyivictor5758
@ifeanyivictor5758 24 дня назад
Exactly,he obviously doesn't like china.
@thejokerking9268
@thejokerking9268 24 дня назад
@@ifeanyivictor5758 ok 无毛
@user-lx1re3fn2u
@user-lx1re3fn2u 23 дня назад
​@@thejokerking9268Paid U.S. commentator.
@gliang9406
@gliang9406 28 дней назад
The deadlock in US is actually simple: the ruling class needs to return the excess profit back to the working class in order to boost the manufacture sector. But there is zero possibility of having it accomplished given the current political status quo.
@ideally6849
@ideally6849 28 дней назад
Karl Marx predicted this 200 years ago.
@mbvgvskvrs868
@mbvgvskvrs868 23 дня назад
In China, they divided the profit proportionally among 1.4 billion Chinese.
@ideally6849
@ideally6849 23 дня назад
@@mbvgvskvrs868 China has all the evils of a capitalistic society at this moment, income in equality, for example. What you described is the natural progress of the society, Marx did predict that, but it will only happened when there are unlimited supply of “materials”.
@sanguogo2269
@sanguogo2269 18 дней назад
Exactly
@yuey0602
@yuey0602 17 дней назад
@@ideally6849 to some extend you are right, but the difference between China and US is, China is actually dealing with this problem, this is why I still recon my country as a socialist country. for example, many Chinese haters are laughing at current Chinese "real estate crisis", but this "crisis" is actually designed, it basically is a "tax" targeting the "rich", yes you can argue that normal city mid class are not "rich", but we should always acknowledge in whatever country people can afford real estate are always richer ones. and the richest and richer people always are the loudest on internet. but the fundamental support for CPC have always been the majority poor ones.
@m102094020
@m102094020 23 дня назад
what a stupid conference!
@larrywang3841
@larrywang3841 27 дней назад
The problem with bringing back the manufacture to US is not enough people are willing to take those jobs.
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 27 дней назад
Nor work the long hours that Chinese, Indonesians, Mexicans, etc will work to better their lot in life and invest in their children.
@jonathanwilson6043
@jonathanwilson6043 27 дней назад
there needs to be significant pay raises and incentives.
@jrkr7357
@jrkr7357 27 дней назад
Price of goods will not be the same if they are made in the US. Are consumers ready to pay for the same goods 3 to 4 times more expensive ?
@Antiwumao
@Antiwumao 27 дней назад
@@jrkr7357 yes becaquse more people will have good jobs and will have more money
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
More then that, Loosing an 1.5 Billions consumer market over night. Watch, without continues funding by US Gov., those "chip" returning manufacturer would not be able to survived with just the US nor EU market alone.
@singaporean7672
@singaporean7672 26 дней назад
It's the people. Chinese are hard-working people. They can work 12 hours on stretch to make the project happen. American workers don't work that long. How to compete when the people culture are so different.
@utubetruthteller
@utubetruthteller 24 дня назад
they will do 12 hours party and wokes are taking over America its decline is certain
@bobmorane4926
@bobmorane4926 24 дня назад
And then if you keep inflating the debt away by making everything more expensive , how do u stay competitive ? Oh, yeah, that world currency that u can print ad infinitum. Well history would digress as Ray Dalio explains.
@level1selamat155
@level1selamat155 22 дня назад
Wrong man... athletes train hard workers can work hard anywhere in the world...work culture can be cultivated anywhere any country
@boolerhwejason4133
@boolerhwejason4133 18 дней назад
34:25 Who's the copycat now? He literally said "Bring Chinese companies to produce in the United states and we should STEAL their IP" LOL
@KMuse99
@KMuse99 25 дней назад
You're not competing with China, you're trying to Tonya H. China's economy.
@JoeHo-vp2wn
@JoeHo-vp2wn 26 дней назад
China does not want to be a unipolar power, as many in US believe. An undisputed superpower would turn complacent and behave irrationally, if not bullying everybody else, eventually facing what the US is now facing. China wants strong US, EU, Russia, as well as other global south powers. Only ongoing competition will keep China healthy and competitive.
@yky621
@yky621 14 дней назад
China did not set out to colonise. And not now and not in future. China just want prosperity for more than a billion people which is extremely difficult mission. Don’t park your military surrounding the sea outside China. Therefore Taiwan 🇹🇼 is key. Political ideologies yes, not everyone like communism.
@amiigose
@amiigose 27 дней назад
talk to china but no chinese😂😂😂 joke this year
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
They are still busy recruiting Asians for this.
@nl7270
@nl7270 13 дней назад
I don't see how the US can compete with China. They have 15 times our STEM personnel and that margin is getting wider. Only way the US can compete is if US STEM personnel can out work them. That means 1 person here can do the same work as 15 ppl over there! So 1 person here needs to work (15 x 8 hours ) 120 hours in a day! And that is impossible!! So you cannot out compete them. Plus, they work 6 days a week at a lower wage. I doubt ppl in the US are going to cut there pay and work longer! It's better to work with them. We innovate and let them manufacture while taking royalties. make the best of the situation. You can't stop them without destroying the whole world.
@stevenliew2507
@stevenliew2507 27 дней назад
Ha!Ha! The Americans are already buying and stripping Chinese EVs and Huawei Phones to try to " mine " valuable discoveries to help them to help to compete against China.😂😂
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
They tried many other approaches like using foreign & local spies or hacking Chinese Universities & companies.
@jsyo9639
@jsyo9639 25 дней назад
IP thefts. Stealing from the Chinese. Just as they stole gun powder, papers
@ismailalialiali1216
@ismailalialiali1216 27 дней назад
Cisco Switching switch was invented by Bangalore young Indian engineer. His company is called Kalpana. America forced Kalpana to sell to Cisco. Just like Tik Tok is now force to sell to an American company.
@douglasstanley5209
@douglasstanley5209 26 дней назад
correction! Is not force, is called US way of "Competition".
@ericf1461
@ericf1461 26 дней назад
That’s American “fair trade” for you…. Dig it? 😂😂😂
@northernstar3960
@northernstar3960 25 дней назад
But problem is China won't sell TikTok to United States.
@gj8550
@gj8550 27 дней назад
12:03 'we don't have the people to innovate'.He nailed the problem!!! China produces 4 times as many STEM graduates every year as US. Elon Musk said in an interview recently that he moved TESLA manufacturing to China not because he cannot find enough engineers in US. US government offered TSML hugh incentives to open a chips factory in Arizona, but is failing miserably due to the lack of skilled engineers and labourer. When they tried to import skilled workers from Taiwan, they faced severe opposition from local trade unions.
@danieltam3923
@danieltam3923 27 дней назад
Can the rest of the world compete with US while avoiding war?
@eddychan2112
@eddychan2112 27 дней назад
Yes, if the winner is US.
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
Already is, for with Chinese Company help, ASEAN members except Philippines is doing double digit business as transit point for China manufacturer goods... Also Mexico with 130 new Chinese factory there for US market.
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 26 дней назад
@@eddychan2112 Yes, US consumer are still getting Chinese goods via third party partners.
@giansenglau3489
@giansenglau3489 27 дней назад
US is far behind in technologies, infrastructures, consumer goods, etc etc The US 2 billion Bank debts will be the starting point of the US downfall.
@horridohobbies
@horridohobbies 13 дней назад
How are subsidies "unfair?" All nations subsidize their industries. America. Britain. Canada. China. France. Germany. *All nations.*
@NuestraPatriaGrande
@NuestraPatriaGrande 11 дней назад
Competition can turn into cooperation if we in the U.S. grow up. It is just a matter of leaving Western hegemony behind for living in a world that is fragile and in dire need of win-win activities. China looks at life and living as thinking, and acting recognizing that cause and effect is reality . Avoiding hatred, ignorance and greed leads to wisdom, courage and compassion! This discussion is devoid of wisdom, courage and compassion! Defensive realism creates hope! U.S. offensive realism promotes ignorance, hatred and greed!! China is constructive. We, the US, is destructive!!
@level1selamat155
@level1selamat155 22 дня назад
They missed out two very important experts on China. Gordon Chang and Sepentza the 10 headed 🐍🐍🐍
@mikeboate208
@mikeboate208 12 дней назад
Don't forget our favorite LIAR ... Mr Adrian Zenz
@namelesswarrior4760
@namelesswarrior4760 27 дней назад
Not with the kind of mediocre leaderships that you have in the West. All lacking the courage to make hard decisions and stick to it.
@johnwayne8475
@johnwayne8475 25 дней назад
A fundamental issue lies with the fact that the American government receives hundreds of millions of dollars in donations each year from military companies. In addition, these companies spends hundreds of millions in government lobbying activities which translates to the government spending tens of trillions of dollars in military spending at the expense of the welfare of it's people.
@Skywalker1826
@Skywalker1826 13 дней назад
"Competition rooted fundamentally in the game of fairness" - what a joke... GM & Ford operate huge profitable businesses in China - GM at one point sold moe cars in China than in the US, while Chinese automakers are NOT allowed to operate in the US. Apple sold more iPhones in China than the US in some quarters while Huawei phones are banned in the US. China has never strong-armed other countries into not using Cisco or other American communication equipment while the US forced its allies to dismantle Huawei equipment. The US puts over 1,000 Chinese companies on the sanction list while China only reciprocated wtih a dozen. The list could go on and on and on. To say what the US is doing is "competiton rooted in the game of fairness" is truly hypocrisy at its best.
@deanzaZZR
@deanzaZZR 27 дней назад
"China is just too big. That problem has metastasized". 🙄 "People don't like the Chinese, maybe understandably." 🙄🙄
@vidsurf88
@vidsurf88 20 дней назад
Last I checked, Taiwan is not part of US so why is it interfering?
@slc801
@slc801 14 дней назад
Mr Werner make the most logic when dealing with China a win win for both countries is the best outcome but Mr Saagar seems to rather conflict or me win you lose attitude .
@yuema2078
@yuema2078 11 дней назад
Engineers tend to get things done. Lawyers tend to talk and debate about things. Xi is a Chemical engineer by training, and before him Hu was a Civil engineer, and before him Jiang was a Mechanical engineer. For over three decades China has been led by Engineers. I think that played a role.
@duinay3
@duinay3 27 дней назад
Saagar is really not qualified to be commenting 😂
@mengsiongkheng113
@mengsiongkheng113 27 дней назад
It is hugely complex. It is also open competition.nthere are rules and if course countries will find ways to seek advantage, China, Japan, US included, fair or foul. Give credit to China and the Communist Party. There are organised, far sighted, competent, and strategic. US were able to climb to number one in the past, but many things have changed, some structural, some societal. China was able to do this in 30 years. How long for US? Definitely much longer or even may not happen. China has population-scale, intelligence, hardworking, and highly competent government. My personal view is that the American empire is now coming to end, as do all empires, same goes for China at some point in time. Good luck America.
@yaoliang1580
@yaoliang1580 27 дней назад
China never had an empire throughout its long history as they are not imperialist like the Europeans and those who now control America came from Europe. So they share the same imperialist Ideologies
@fallinloveatfirstdream4222
@fallinloveatfirstdream4222 26 дней назад
In recent times, there has been a noticeable trend of American interventionism, where the pursuit of war and economic interests seem to intertwine. However, China is taking a different approach by extending support to developing nations, aiming to reshape this paradigm. Instead of profiting from conflicts between nations, China is investing in global development.
@rexteo8062
@rexteo8062 25 дней назад
5000 years civilization, not anyone never able push down this Oriental civilization. Civil war 1939-2024 still on progress between CCP army and KMT army since Mao and Chiang Kai-shek disputes. 220 BC , Qin Shi Wang emperor's 2000 years of united cultures.
@Diderot68
@Diderot68 23 дня назад
Jake Werner makes sense. US has decided not to compete. She has closed the door and then calls it competition.
@fallinloveatfirstdream4222
@fallinloveatfirstdream4222 26 дней назад
This shift is not only promising but also essential for the betterment of our world. Collaborative efforts like those within the BRICS group hold immense potential. If these nations unite with a shared vision for peace and stability, it could herald a new era of global harmony. Such unity would not only benefit developing and underdeveloped countries but also pave the way for a more peaceful world for all.
@dancerinmaya6813
@dancerinmaya6813 27 дней назад
Saagar doesn't know that Apple makes shitloads of money in China, it's average ROI is 10, which is 1000% profit. Tesla's gigafactory in CN was the only one that achieved mass production in 9months from groundbreaking, it enjoyed all subsidies CN gov gave to EV makers, and in a way, CN saved Tesla, and CN saved Tesla again lately...any many other US businesses--as long as you comply with Chinese law (as TikTok complies with US law), US businesses enjoyed tremendous preferential treatment and profits (yes, some US "high tech" companies were asked by the US gov to leave China, which is fine, Apple is also discretely leaving, but it can't let go of the shocking profits and market for now, which is fine). No one can buy land in China, obviously Saagar is too ignorant and too lazy, but foreigners can buy as much as a Chinese citizen can, the land use right to the underlying land, and the ownership to a house/apartment. CN has no property tax, so that's better than the US. CN especially doesn't have any ban tied to the citizen of a particular company. Google chose to leave China b/c it considered itself above CN law--Saagar is tied up in knots hating China, maybe b/c he is too ignorant and lazy.
@unifieddynasty
@unifieddynasty 24 дня назад
There is no need for America to start doing IP theft because IP theft is exactly how America was able to industrialize.
@jsyo9639
@jsyo9639 25 дней назад
Unfair advantage? That guy talk csht, Tesla, Apple, Buick, Macdonald, Starbuck, KFC and many making tons of money in China. Are bitching unfair trades. Selective whining. He needs to have a better rhetorics.
@paleteriamexicana1828
@paleteriamexicana1828 17 дней назад
he said what? let the chinese in and then steal their IP?? wow...
@user-qd8yg1fp7i
@user-qd8yg1fp7i 27 дней назад
Indian guy is always da best american...
@remix-yy1hs
@remix-yy1hs 13 дней назад
Best lap dog 🐕 yt people sleep with their dogs right?
@stevenlai1199
@stevenlai1199 12 дней назад
Palku khutta Jai hind
@stevenlai1199
@stevenlai1199 12 дней назад
Palku khutta Jai hind
@dancerinmaya6813
@dancerinmaya6813 27 дней назад
China hegemony? what the heck🤣🤣🤣
@agusedyanto3324
@agusedyanto3324 23 дня назад
The habit of US leaders is to accuse others of what the US itself actually did
@chriswong9158
@chriswong9158 27 дней назад
Debate about China again, where no Chinese voice permitted.... Like Chinese from China PRC question USA Democracy
@leebarry5686
@leebarry5686 16 дней назад
Naive! Nobody is the eternal king , and bad guys have to go ! That’s history
@ALWH1314
@ALWH1314 17 дней назад
Three don’t understand Chinese people talk about how to compete with Chinese with pre-conditional anti China disposition.
@fxbillie
@fxbillie 14 дней назад
What kind of war with China will America have with China over Taiwan? America can't send any aircraft carriers within 2000km from Taiwan due to the numerous hypersonic missiles of China capable of sinking approaching carriers and their battle groups. So without air and naval power, how will American soldiers fight well armed and well supplied PLA soldiers at their home turf? The most America can do is creating another Ukraine out of Taiwan. But Taiwan young people don't even want to die in a sure defeat against a superpower opponent. Taiwan will be shut down in a naval blockage so no outside help nor supplies can be sent there unlike Ukraine. So how can America fight China over Taiwan?
@georgesiew6203
@georgesiew6203 14 дней назад
Grumpy Goldman's understanding of innovation is so last century. His entire argument boils down to we had all the famous geniuses of the last 300 hundred years therefore we are the best end of story. Except pluck any of those geniuses from history, give them another life, and put them to work today. You would be as stuck with them as without them. The reality is that we have all the geniuses we had in the past x100 working on the problems we have today. The geniuses we have today are just not that famous because they didn't get the chance to earn that much credit working on the simpler problems of yesterday. The competition in technology today is about how to organize large scientific communities numbering in the tens and hundreds of thousands (all geniuses) to work collaboratively to solve the problems of today which are at a scale that is hundreds if not thousands of times larger than the problems of the past. This is not something that the West does well and fantasizing about being saved by a handful of special geniuses is about all they have left. The Chinese on the other hand are the true masters of humanity at setting up efficient and orderly social systems at scale..
@yaphonghor4409
@yaphonghor4409 13 дней назад
We see neocons speaking, but they are not addressing the question of the long overcapacity of US in exporting its products, in Apps, MacDonald/KFC, cokes, Colgate, Visa/Master Cards, dollars, Boeing and many others! Can the speakers talk about this point???????
@danieltam3923
@danieltam3923 26 дней назад
Afghan, Iraq, Syria, Libya couldn't avoid war. Why?
@agusedyanto3324
@agusedyanto3324 23 дня назад
Because the initiative always comes from the US, it seems their hands are always itching to pull the trigger
@douglasstanley5209
@douglasstanley5209 26 дней назад
Competitions = Sanction ? Competitions = create a case for allies to Sanction, decouple ? Competitions = print more money, borrow more and get the whole world into trouble ?
@RoyHuang-yj3jv
@RoyHuang-yj3jv 26 дней назад
China has all industrial categories, full supply chains, low cost in material and labour and more STEAM graduates than other countries. There is no hope to compete with China in industrial level, except you have innovative ways like SpaceX’s reusable rockets to lower the cost. USA can also compete with China in digital economics like AI which can be employed worldwide with zero cost. USA’s hope is in digital and virtual economies.
@laotalim3663
@laotalim3663 11 дней назад
Without war, how can US military-industrial survive?
@blue_eagle4989
@blue_eagle4989 26 дней назад
The white hair guest saying US needs to pick a spot to innovate to overpower China, but US already picked a spot, that's the high end chips, he just said it failed to suppress China. Just this observation alone made me to conclude that this guest is clueless, not even worthy listening to.
@1313hyme
@1313hyme 24 дня назад
Isn't he correct that the suppression of the high end chip didn't suppress China? He's correct.
@skydragon23101979
@skydragon23101979 7 дней назад
The point he was making was innovate not suppress. If Biden didn’t block high end chips to Huawei they would still be buying Nvidia’s chips today but instead you suppress. The white hair guy has an accurate analysis the Indian guy is too irrational.
@JacksonWong-pw4zq
@JacksonWong-pw4zq 20 дней назад
Usa must honore its words make sure its words n actions must match , usa have been showing the world that usa words had never natch its action especially towards china
@Trials_By_Errors
@Trials_By_Errors 16 дней назад
Let me Simplify. Real question is "Is there any other option than fighting and Surrender".
@ariefhidayat3691
@ariefhidayat3691 10 дней назад
All the panelist are talking about China and it looks you manage this planet. Have you ever been in China
@jklee5419
@jklee5419 25 дней назад
In fact, the US keeps subsidizing the finiance industry a lot for a long time.
@ivybae9906
@ivybae9906 22 дня назад
And the agriculture industry too
@araara4746
@araara4746 28 дней назад
post-power syndrome
@lilianlee7078
@lilianlee7078 10 дней назад
China deserves great respect from the US and the West! There is much to be admired from their achievements over the last 40/50 years! Cooperating with the United States as an equal is the answer!
@user-ed9so2rb4k
@user-ed9so2rb4k 26 дней назад
They seem to think that without the assistance of the West, the developing economies won't even move a little? Industrial power comes from the ability to organize internal resources first and then trade with the rest. No doubt China gained from the initial stage from the investments of the West which also gained much from the cheaper imports. Now that China has decided, as is natural, to "originate" their products such as EVs and other larger industrial products which are increasingly on par with the Japanese, as Japan had set the standard even for the West for the last 30 years. In spite of all the blockages by the West, especially US, the Chinese will simply divert her interests towards rest of Asia and Eurasian, Africa and South America as the West puts up blockages. Result: the trade with Russia is almost doubled. The Chinese simply shows or proves that the Bell Curve theory is right all along!
@ivybae9906
@ivybae9906 22 дня назад
A little correction, mainland China get its initial investment frm Hongkong, Taiwan and Singapore (all of which are societies with a dominant population of ethnic Chinese), not the West.Investment frm the West comes very late compared to them
@JIANGTG
@JIANGTG 25 дней назад
1.The West can compete with China while avoiding war. The war definitely ends up with no winner. 2. The important point is that the West must have positive mindset but not jealousy and anger after seeing China's rapid rise. The negative mindset will result in widening the development gap between the West and China. The " CAN DO " attitude and ACTIONS are extremely important for any country if it has the strong desire to develop.
@lucklum2438
@lucklum2438 26 дней назад
No. War must take place because no one wants to be inferior to the other.
@tfalani3861
@tfalani3861 17 дней назад
WHAT A DUMB TITLE. EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WEST IS AGGRESSIVE, EVEN THE FRAMING OF SO CALLED DISCUSSIONS. BEFORE YOU EVEN TAKE PART IN IT, YOU-ALREADY LOST BECAUSE OF THE FRAMING.
@pizizhangsg1319
@pizizhangsg1319 23 дня назад
American is terrified.
@dean1314
@dean1314 21 день назад
34:22 What did you say? steal their IP????
@ianthesiow3013
@ianthesiow3013 16 дней назад
US💘 / America calls it "Liberation" instead of "Invasion". That was what US call it in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia and the list goes on... Why the double standard? Confused... Please enlighten. Genuine question... Instances of the United States "liberated" or overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 * 2014 - 2022 - 9 countries yet to verify. Pakistan 2022 * Haiti 2022 * Niger 2023
@stayfree870
@stayfree870 22 дня назад
Didn't we try to get TSMC to build the plant here? How is that coming along?
@Jjirehc
@Jjirehc 25 дней назад
It's always an American perspective and narrative. WHERE IS THE REAL CHINESE WHO CAN GIVE US THEIR PERSPECTIVE?
@johnchong4690
@johnchong4690 14 дней назад
So thats was how the west was won?
@DK-ev9dg
@DK-ev9dg 27 дней назад
What a provocative heading? Can USA live without war? Uff!!
@YCHTT
@YCHTT 25 дней назад
Imagine the question itself implies you may have to go to war against another country simply because you can't compete with it. Such immorality, only with repeated state of art propaganda and double speak would ever fool sheep to believe and agree to such immoral narrative.
@BCSTS
@BCSTS 12 дней назад
We need much more of these types of panels...where participants actually provide a think tank...not just an echo chamber or extreme positions ! Well done !
@vervetech9395
@vervetech9395 14 дней назад
Why would you want land near Chinese military base
@Billck24
@Billck24 17 дней назад
you can't avoid war if you know you going to lose. 😂😂😂
@davidlaw9686
@davidlaw9686 23 дня назад
But they had been shouting War, war, war, war, war and still war. What happens now? They must have sensed China is not giving in sn inch.
@horridohobbies
@horridohobbies 13 дней назад
Lots of good suggestions here for what the USA should do to compete better with China. The problem is how to get the US government to follow through. The US political system is so fucked up. It needs to be completely overhauled before the USA can start to make the right moves forward.
@kwokholuk8723
@kwokholuk8723 3 дня назад
I just search by Google and found that Charles Kao had both British and American nationalities. He had permanent residency of Hong Kong too. He was born and raised in Shanghai. He immigrated to Hong Kong and went to high school there. He got his degrees in the UK. He worked in the UK, the US and Hong Kong for many years. He got the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2009. He passed away at 84 years of age in Hong Kong in 2018.
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