@@petercarioscia9189 In a normal playthrough it would be pretty pointless, these challenges always force the use of every available strategy, so it's nice to see such a move unveil it's potential.
Benedikt well it would still be a nice move in a regular playthrough. Some good tms are finite, so this could still be a move you put on your mon with the worst movepool. It happens to be solid for venusaur since its movepool isn’t that good. Also, for any fast mon, using mimic against a mon with an OHKO move + 1 x accuracy is an easy sweep. Of course, it would be a liability in comp gen 1
@@ionlydrinkjesusmilk7256 The sad thing about using growth with venu is its best grass move crits 99.6% of the time. So you end up having to resort to mega drain or solarbeam. Leech seed toxic is a great combination but for a casual setting (which was the framework here), you generally prefer more offensive wins. X item spam would probably be a faster way to succeed with venusaur in casual play than going for leech seed toxic. Especially since once you have sleep power + x acc + more speed than the opponent (which might happen naturally have getting a stacked speed boost), you have free setup reign to go for a sweep.
Gastly was one of the strongest pokemon on the show and toyed with all of Ash's pokemon. When I watched the episode with Gastly I had to try it in the game because I didn't realize how powerful they are.
Someone thing about the speedup: When it is true that the speed makes idle time (like hitting a wall) take up more time than needed, as long as you do all the runs in speed up there's no problem. That said, love the new direct you are going right now. Do what you love, and it's sure to be great!
That's _almost_ completely true. There is one key difference between the first runs and later runs: Practice. Over time he'll bonk less, make decisions in battles even faster as he notices patterns, and make less pathing mistakes. Still not worth stressing over, but it is a thing.
@@cmck362 i mean the same can be said about everything. over time he gets a better feel for setups, for strategies etc, like in this run he had to go back to get mimic. for the future he may pick it up when he is already there. you cant truly make every run have the same unless you tas it
Cubone only has bone rush and can't get past the first team rocket grunt who has zubat. Ofc leveling it up would get more moves, but then again it would not work with least battles. Side note: Bide might work
I would love seeing a run with Goldeen, who has only Peck and Tail Whip until level 19, and the earliest point you can even get a water move for it is from Misty! It doesn't even naturally learn a water move until a whopping level 37!!
Also, the Geodude run, Lorelei is gonna be awful without items, I had to use 4 X Specials (you might need less but I was just trying to finish the run). Same with the champion fight.
I don't mind one bit that you are trying minimum battles, as it is the most accurate representation of a solo Pokémon's viability: Less battles = Less Time and Levels = More Score
Yeah. Any pokemon is viable if you waste enough time training. The more interesting question is what less popular pokemon is as/surprisingly more viable then starters
@@PointsofData A ton of pokemon are going to be more viable than the starters really, Gen 1 starters are pretty bad and outclassed by so many other pokemon (or in the case of Charmander, gets held back hard by its typing sucking in Gen 1).
month late but idk about them being bad, but I agree they were outclassed. Venusaur is the 3rd best grass type only being outclassed by Exeggutor and victreebel competitvely being UU but OU with strategy. Charizard is kind of on that same boat, Fire types really weren't that good in the RBY metagame but I'd say Charizard is the 2nd best starter (in competitive, charizard is the worst starter in-game) and I'd say he was outclassed by ninetales and Moltres (just like venusaur, is also UU but was OU with strategy). Blastoise though, I agree, it gets outclassed by so many other water types (Starmie, Lapras, slowbro, cloyster, even gyarados are good examples)
Dang, I knew Gastly was good, but I didn't think it was this good. I'm impressed. I'm thinking Staryu will be one of the best runs. Its movepool is amazing and it gets Recover. It MIGHT give Gastly a run for its money just because of Ice Beam and Surf, but Gastly's immunities will probably keep it at the top. I'm mostly looking forward to Vulpix and Growlithe. Fire is a fairly bad type in Gen 1, sadly, but those 2 are some of my all-time favs. I'm also looking forward to Dratini.
Staryu might have more trouble. Surf/Hydro Pump & Ice Beam/Blizzard are great, but stat-wise, it only has better ATK, DEF & Speed; Gastly narrowly has more HP and THIRTY more Special. It'll do well, but not like Gastly did.
@@b-radskii6439 Abra has a 105 Special stat, higher than Mew. You're probably thinking that it only learns Teleport, whick is only true for level-up. It can still learn TMs, such as Psychic. It won't suck.
@@kevh6303 Fair enough. I kinda forgot that Abra can at least learn good TMs (tbh I thought the only TM it could learn was Hidden Power, which wasn't even released yet, if I remember correctly). Either way, though, it'd still be pretty hard until he got some TMs
No chance. Staryu can't beat brock until level 17. With slow EXP curve on top of that you'll be grinding for hours. Mind you that Gastly actually finishes the game in under 3 hours if no additional rules are enacted, so any Staryu attempt would beat brock at the time Gastly heads to Victory road. Tentacool is essentially a better version than staryu in every single way and even that one can't compete with Gastly.
Sandshrew/sandslash are my favorite pokemon. Im hype for it. Slash earthquake double team and sand attack hits anything in the game pretty hard and is annoying to play against. He also gets good stab early once you get the digTM from the rocket grunt
@@Valcerv Dig is actually superior to Earthquake in most playthroughs, having identical Accuracy, Base Power, and PP. It comes with the added bonus of exiting dungeons as well as dodging attacks in battle (not Swift, but it's a more than fair trade off, especially when you get that Explosion/Self-Destruct cheese).
To be fair, making a "tier list" for Gen 1 solo runs keeps some sort of suspense going that will prevent them from getting old. Making it a competition rather than just randomly-picked runs was a great idea that is a breath a fresh air to this concept. I don't know if he'll be able to keep going at this pace in the later gens, though. Especially if things get sorted out in the world and we can go back to work.
@@justuslueke Agreed. I have to admit, he wasn't the first I started watching take those challenges, but because of the others I was watching, he ended up in my recommended videos and he's now my favorite.
I love how with Mirror move Pidgeot just learned *an attack it already knew* Also my vote for the next Starter goes to Magmar, it’ll be interesting to see it perform in the beginning since it won’t learn anything new until the level it was supposed to be caught.
pmd fan Probably, since Magby and Magmar’s evolution are from later gens where they were prepared for this situation. I once watched a gen I randomized playthrough with a Magmar at level 10 or so that was almost useless until way later
I agree with all of this. Great comment; I was thinking all of this myself. Magmar should be counted this generation as a nonevolving Pokemon comparable to Onix or Lapras, and I think it would fit the challenge well, only learning Ember to face Brock with. It gets a few good TM attacks such as Psychic and Body Slam, and Mega Punch can come in handy until it's able to learn the latter. It has good offensive stats and Speed, balancing it with things like Gastly and Abra since it isn't quite as powerful, but has noticeably better bulk and similar Speed. I'm looking forward to Magmar more than Electabuzz or Jynx, though Electabuzz would also be a fun challenge, because Magmar is part of a generally more challenging type to use in the first generation. Also it's my favorite of the three, but that's secondary.
Nidoran's stats aren't good, it doesn't get Ground STAB (nor learns any Ground moves in Gen 1 for that matter), it loses a lot of the TMs Nidoking gets, and since this is itemless it can't abuse X Accuracy for perfectly accurate OHKO moves, so it's going to do a lot worse than Nidoking does.
@@synadc9227 Weedle is possible; he specifically said it in his Top 10 hardest. He's at least trying Weedle, although he said he might have to break items in battle to do it. It's Caterpie and Magikarp that are 100% impossible because they cannot hit Ghost-types. [Struggle is Normal-type; not typeless in Gen 1; and the AI cannot run out of PP so you cannot PP stall until it Struggles itself to death at Lv100] Those two get skipped because they are *completely* impossible; you cannot beat the mandatory Channeller.
@@raikaria3090 Ah my mistake. I thought he was gonna skip weedle as there is literally no strategy in it, just spam poison sting and hope for crits and early poison.
@@synadc9227 He said he absolutely isn't looking forward to Weedle. He might skip it, I think he did say he might do so. But it's not 100% like Caterpie/Magikarp.
I tried this with a perfect DV Gastly, and was able to do the minimum battles without using any Rare Candies at the end, those perfect DVs were certainly required though as the Alakazam's Psychic at the end was almost an OHKO without a crit, even with me pumping Calcium to the vitamin cap ASAP to maximize my Special Stat EXP, so with a couple less points in HP and Special DVs it becomes a luck more luck reliant if you're getting OHKO'd by Psychic without a crit (and he might miss out on a crucial OHKO or 2HKO too). So your Gastly might not have been strong enough to do it without Rare Candies, but you definitely didn't need to use them all, in the future I think it would be better when you have a minimum battles run going that you avoid using all your Rare Candies up at once, to see how low a level you can truly finish at. I also think the Charizard team is the hardest and is the one I went with; the Zard is more threatening than the Blastoise, as they have equivalent Special yet the Zard is a lot faster, so better crit chance and you might not outspeed it (my Gastly was able to, but if my Speed DV was a bit lower it might have missed it), and then Fire Blast is slightly more accurate than Hydro Pump with a 30% Burn chance that might just finish you off if you're almost dead, alongside Fire Spin to trap you if you're slower, while the Blastoise can also waste turns with Withdraw wheras the Zard won't since its other two moves are Normal type and thus Blue will avoid them. Then with Arcanine vs. Gyarados, yeah you'll typically OHKO the latter so the former tickling you with Ember makes it technically more dangerous, but if you get your Special dropped by an Alakzam Psychic you'll miss the OHKO on Gyarados and then get slammed hard by Hydro Pump (which happened to me and made me fail a run), so the Gyarados certainly has the potential to fuck you still. Overall though all the starters suck against Gastly and none of the Arcanine/Gyarados/Exeggutor trio can do anything to Gastly typically either, so it doesn't really matter which one he picks and either way the real final boss is the Alakazam; if you can beat him without your Special getting dropped and can Mimic Recover, you should have the battle won unless you run out of PP against the Exeggutor or have bad luck against the Zard/Blastoise. Also as a final note about your Giovanni battle, Giovanni's Dugtrio DOES NOT get OHKO'd by Psychic without a crit (if a perfect Gastly pumped up early on Calcium couldn't do it on minimum battles and no Rare Candies, no Gastly can), and in turn you will get OHKO'd by Dig, so you do have to put it to sleep to win more reliably.
What an awesome run! My personal favorite Pokemon from gen 1 is Magnemite, so my vote is for him to be next. You did an injustice to my favorite little steely ball of zappiness in that top 10 worst runs video, and now I want to see him prove you wrong!
But yeah, Gastly's line OP, especially in Gen 1 There's a reason Gengar stayed OU for so long! 3:25 Nice of you to show that off for folks who don't know! 6:23 Lol, even against a Ghost, he'll try to Self-Destruct! 7:57 Psychic OP. 9:47 , 12:34, 21:35, 25:05, 25:50, 30:38 Wow Gen 1 AI! What the heck, Blastoise?! 10:43 Wow, difficulty spike with the rival, eh? 13:22 It took you listing the remaining opponents for me to realize how badly you steamrolled Koga's Gym. XD 14:23 Blaine, first Super Potion was a good idea, second was not. XD 17:30 Still a good call, though. 20:09 (Or you could just use Double Team, but Mimic is just so OP, lol.) 27:43 Somehow, I expected you to Mimic Ice Beam orj Blizzard. XD 29:23 Lol, Sky Attack useful after all? 29:50 Ahhh, the days of Gen 1 & waking up to Sky Attack. 31:09 Even with all the attempts, this run, 4 days after the last, took only an hour?!
l really enjoy your videos "wins red/blue" with a minimum batlles , no glitches , no items in battle. l discovered your channel with those videos and really apreciate it. l wish you the best , and hope for even more videos .
this series has me AMPED. loving it. i'm eager to see horsea/goldeen runs mostly but after this gastly video i'd want to see how scyther/pinsir/tauros/magmar would stack up against it!
gastlys backsprite is something else "hey you gotta finish this backsprite before you leave for today" "ok whatever" *randomly clicks around in MS paint for a minute "good enough time to go home"
Thanks a lot for these regular uploads they are so entertaining !!!! I followed your work for a few months and I love these new series ! Can't wait to see the next ones
Would love to see Paras as the next. It would be a great dip in Pokeman quality but Paras was always one of my favorites in this gen. Little man needs some appreciation Either way great content, love to see it
Awesome performance by Gastly. When I learnedd Jrose would be doing this with multiple unevolved pokemon besides the starters I looked at most options, and realized Gastly will do great, but didn't think it would be good enough to do it with minimum battles! Maybe using less rare candies could give even lower score, and I think Gastly could do the last three at a level or two lower. Agatha seems to be the only big obstacle, but she's basically just a one big random number generator so nobody does well against her. Maybe Abra would if it had a movepool. Anyway, still rooting for Tentacool. A bit more bulk than Gastly, same Special but just a bit slower, and gets it's own boost move in Barrier as well as ice/water coverage that is only resisted by water, and Mega Drain for it. No sleep unfortunately, so Sabrina could be hard with that Poison type, and no water for Brock seems to mean that it can't achieve this now coveted minimum battles. Other good ones would be Poliwag because of great speed, Hypnosis, Amnesia and coverage, and maybe Slowpoke because of its sheer bulk, Psychic type and Amnesia, but always being the slowest can hurt. Edit: Oh dang Tentacool has Slow leveling rate, that might ruin it.
I just (successfully, might I add) did a Tentacool-only run of Emerald, so I'd be up to seeing that run here, too. I discovered, to my shock, that Tentacool's move pool (at least in Gen III) is actually nuts, but I don't currently have a way to access Gen I other than the remakes, so I don't know if that's true there.
If you have access to an emulator I suggest downloading OpenEmu. Can emulate tons of different consoles and does it well; has support for the Gameboy era as well and can emulate patched romhacks. And its honestly really cool to hear how good or bad certain Pokemon were before gen 4! The physical/special split really polarized the series. Also it almost always seems like Water pokemon generally have pretty expansive movepools, I suppose to give them lots of wiggle room for coverage to patch up their more common weaknesses and the types that resist it? All in all a really great type and you can't quite go wrong with a water type most of the time.
@@xxxmysticaldragonxxx Water doesn't have big weaknesses. They're only weak to grass and electric. Electric as an attacking type only does super effective damage vs flying and water so it has a limited niche. There aren't a lot of electric pokemon either in the early gens. Grass in the early gens just sucks. So as a defensive typing water is doing pretty damn well. Water is also only resisted by itself, dragon, and grass. On top of that all water pokemon get surf for an insanely powerful stab move which canceled out any late game move pool issues. Which mean as an attacking type it's also doing great. So I don't think that justification for their expansive movepool works.
@@priestesslucy3299 He said they had expansive movepools and justified it with the fact that their typing has a lot of common vulnerabilities. I didn't agree that those vulnerabilities existed to a large enough degree to explain why waters have good coverage. As far as their coverage goes any water that doesn't have a lot of moves also doesn't have good stats so it's a moot point. Any of the decent water types worth using have good movepools. There's no high stat'd water pokemon with a bad movepool unlike say electric. The best electric pokemon have limited coverage moves to go with their high stats. That's not a thing for water types. As far as gen 1 goes you're forgetting a few water types with good moves. There's also Blastoise and Slowbro. There's arguably a few more, but they're more borderline. Worth noting that all waters can learn ice beam and surf so at the very least everyone has two good moves minimum. For gen 1 that's pretty good. It's also worth noting that there are only 16 water pokemon lines. There are 5 that we specifically mentioned and there are a few more that I could have listed as borderline. Roughly half the water pokemon have good coverage moves available to them. So saying waters tend to lack coverage is a bit misleading don't you think?
Man I've beeing following you since November I think and I've yet to be bored by a single video you upload :D I'm spreading your videos like a wildfire in my friend circle since I think your vids to be insane. I mean just look at this run. Eventho I thought that all the videos regarding this Challenge in Gen 1 will be boring since it's basicly the same run with slightly different deviations I couldn't have been more wrong. I'm always delighted when you upload and it makes my probably shitty day that much better. Thank you for making life a bit more enjoyable and thanks for getting me into Pokemon challenge runs! :)
I have watched this video 3 times in less than 24h. Either something is wrong with me or you are doing something extremely right and i guess it's the later. Keep on rocking those challenges.
He’s going to have to fight that other trainer anyway. Look where the trainer stopped him. He’s going to have to go around and fight another trainer when he could have just walked around to begin with and skipped a fight
I'd really love to see a Chansey run as an Easter special (because, you know, he has an egg) and I think that it would be interesting to see a pokemon with a defense so bad trying to take out Brock
Its Defense won't be a problem against Brock, since his only attacking move is Tackle and then Onix has 45 base Attack on top of that. Its absurd HP also makes it still more physically durable than most first stage pokemon.
I feel like in the old days, waiting for my favourite show on TV to come on. Thanks for the great series, it's making the isolation almost bearable :D In terms of future runs, I'm looking forward to Clefairy and Eevee as honourable starters as well as Staryu because of its great move pool and typing!
Never expected Ghastly to do this well, damn! :O Can't wait to see Dratini Also, may I ask why you don't used the pokeflute, when you're asleep? I thought waking up was always a full turn, without attacking, so using the flute would just be faster... right?
Wow, incredible! Did not expect Gastly to be so OP. I'd love to see diglett, got a very solid move pool and speed. Be interesting to see how you strategise against the E4. Loving the content!!
