Honestly, I think the late game should actually be pretty easy. The early game will probably be a complete bitch and will compete with the later missions of this video, but some of those Imperial Guard vehicles are fucking insanely strong
@@DaveyGunface the holdout mission against the orks (I think it is called between hammer and anvil) will be a bloody nightmare, but apart from that it should actually be doable using vehicles. You will only have to micro your heart out in the beginning when you only have guardsmen so that might suck
@@darthplagueis13 oh the disorder campaign as a whole would be much harder I think. I didn't even factor that one in. Starting with the ork missions you mentioned to the part where you have to destroy the landraider (aka you are on a timer) it seems really hard if not impossible to do.
@@DaveyGunface the very first mission is a bitch and i honestly don't know how to control big crowds of militarum without utilizing chimera APCs and using buildings as cover both in offensive and defensive.
Though the IF are certainly no pushovers when it comes to sieges, the Iron Warriors are the siege specialists par excellence. Maybe there's a little hazard stripe underneath the Blood Raven red.
Heh, amusing how this came out just as I found Space Marine 2 was confirmed to be in development after too many years. Warhammer 40k resurfacing, let's goooooo
I tried to beat dark crusade as stubbsie deathless, failed miserably, then tried to count losses, death count finished at appr 298 brave soldiers of the Imperium died bravely from BRILLIANT pathfinding and my miscontrol.
Cheer up, your beloved by your troops, are on the fast track to promotion as the new governor of the planet and will likely be incredibly popular and influential within your subsector in no time.
damn i was really excited to see you attempt to save those 2 lone guardsmen that walk into their death moments after they are transferred to your command in 'Into The Maw', but seeing how challenging the run already is - understandable, have a nice day
I actually did save those two, but once you save them it’s evident they’re not supposed to be alive because they just kind of fucking sit there, forever. It’s weird
@@jordanmanley9172 Huh. Yeah that's weird, both in the Genocide and this playthrough the Guard just kind of sat there diddling their thumbs the second I saved them for all eternity. Not sure if that's a common bug or not but in all of my playthroughs that's never happened for me.
@@DaveyGunface Huh, every single playthrough on my PCs gave command to me. Infact, I got my girlfriend into Warhammer and she just played that mission. I warned her on how to save them (as her favorite faction is sisters/guard(she's gonna hate soulstorm)) and she got command of them too. Are you playing the steam version or a disk version?
@@jordanmanley9172 It's on Steam, but just so you know that I'm not bullshitting you I found the exact timestamp I "rescued them" in the footage. Really strange. imgur.com/a/1dRyABK
17:45 now i have this image in my mind about a imperium commander having all this trouble of planing just for everything he plan be throw into the vacuum because one of his weapons miss a target and got another one that would also secure victory
I won't lie, I had the video unlisted and was going to proof watch it tonight, and then I saw the new WH40K game reveal and I just immediately uploaded it lol
huge fan of wh40k lore and designs tho i haven't actually played any game or the actual tabletop game of 40k but love to see the content on the channela nd hope you do more runs of this game
Dawn of War deathless with that pathfinding and squad AI? You mad man! No camera zoom mod? No distance fog mod? You absolute mad man! Jokes aside i love Dawn of War 1 with all my heart, but it has some issues
Wait, you can move the fog further? I've read somewhere that the fog is defined on per-map basis so it's basically edit every map or forget it, so I didn't even try
I know, the video is long done with, but you can increase the vehicle cap by building the Machine Cult. For every one you get +2, allowing you the max vehicle cap even from the first mission its available
Had you considered looking at some of the speedrun methods for doing these levels? There are some really quick and easy ways to clear some of the missions, if done clean some levels like The Chapel can be finished in about 5 minutes. You'd have to slow up a bit for avoid some casualties but the method would be pretty easy to adapt in some cases. Also the game breaking bug you mentioned with saving and loading; its easy enough to fix AND can be used to break the AI if done at the right time! Its a little hard to explain but basically the game doesnt record actions/orders properly on save, so when you load up the units kinda just stand around confused!
A lot of them came close to working but since a lot of them utilize Speeders or Assault Marines, getting through without casualties ended up being just as brutal as actually playing through the mission normally. That last part is good to know, I looked it up online and didn't see anything relating to it so I'm glad to hear I'm not just entirely cursed.
@@DaveyGunface FWIW I think some of them could be adapted buuuuutt do you really want to put yourself through all of that again just to see if something can be done a little quicker? :) It would also mean doing Mission 4 again with the Squiggoth and the Whirlwinds which.... I mean nobody should have to do that once let alone twice! Fun video!
Looking back on this game with a greater knowledge of 40k lore, it's almost staggering how casual it is with Space Marine lives... and how under-powered it presents them as. In lore, if you present a Space Marine with a Leman Russ tank... he will quite literally rip it apart. In this game, a single Leman Russ will tear apart squads of space marines. And a force of 100 space marines is enough to conquer whole planets, while we're presenting frequently pretty close to that number on a single battlefield, vs. a pretty similar number of orcs. Funnily enough I think the IG / Orc balance is pretty close to lore accurate, but in order to be lore accurate for space marines, you'd basically be recruiting individual marines that had the same HP and damage a whole squad does here... which would basically be super cool and probably super-frustrating at the same time.
Yea the reason it is not lore friendly is the same as in the tabletop: Balance. If a Marine were as strong as they are according to lore they would have to be super expensive, capped at very low numbers and orks or guard would need to blot out the map. Doesn't sound like a very fun gameplay experience tbh. I mean it is even worse with custodes in the tabletop. There was a battle were 1000 custodes killed 100.000 orks or sth like that and only 3 custodes died. It sounds cool but imagine having to bring 100 orks to kill a single enemy unit the game would be unplayable. If you want a somewhat lore accurate representation of Marines and Terminators I can recommend you the games Space Marine and Spacehulk Deathwing.
@@Max-sz9ez I agree to some extent. IMO Custodes shouldn't be a playable faction in tabletop - or should be hideously expensive. I think the way that games can kinda start synchronizing lore with gameplay is to concede that they'll have to focus on individual marines rather than squads. Still out-of-proportion compared to what it could/should be but would still be a lot closer in gameplay balance terms to what the lore says a Space Marine should feel like. Fundamentally a Space Marine should feel like a god of battle and their primary weakness should be their low numbers and inability to be everywhere and cover the map.
@@SittingOnEdgeman so you would basically remove custodes as a playable faction and make marines play like custodes do now? That is actually a good idea even though I love the golden boys
@@SittingOnEdgeman That means an ork player would have to buy 15 times as many figurines if they wanted to compete against a SM player. This is ridiculous, both for the ork player and for GW. Also, gameplay-wise, a squad fighting a single guy doesn't work as much as a squad vs another squad. There are so many reasons why you shouldn't balance the games on the lore I can't begin to list them all, but the main one is that the lore is pure absurdity. You don't need to faithfully reproduce the lore to convey its feelings. Sure, a lot of SM die in DoW, but they are still individually one of the best infantry units, very versatile and with high morale and they're only the base unit of their faction. DoW was my introduction to W40K as a kid and even knowing nothing about the lore at the time, I instantly got that the marines were this super elite,ultra powerful guys even though they get beaten by a squad of slugga boys in melee.
@@lhumanoideerrantdesinterne8598 My response is, "then change the lore" or "create a new universe for either the lore or the tabletop". The lack of synchronicity between the two is jarring. Either the universes should be dissociated or the lore and gameplay should be synchronized to some bare-minimum extent.
Great video, side note: I find it crazy that out of the 4 people I've heard do these "can you beat" (Including you) challenges all 4 sounded the same. Nothing wrong with that I jus don't know if it's just more or not.
NGL that squiggoth situation had me dying of laughter and also the boss fight reminds me of how much duct tape the coding of the older games code is held by
I remember that the first time I played dawn of war 1 I didn't know that weapon upgrades were a thing. Good times also I remember that landspeeder micro was my go to strategy because you could just jump them out the second they get damaged, and their guns stack really well for some strange reason even against vehicles
You should do this challenge with the homeworld games since your units carry over from mission to mission. I'd the no units dying rule is to much maybe change it to no constructed units dying since you can capture enemy vessels.
Now do this challenge in Soulstorm, as the Necrons. Those Eldar will put those low IQ orks to shame. Ive already lost my mind after defeating the Eldar. I cant imagine the exquisite pain that would come from trying to do deathless as well.
Necrons are op, I easily rolled on the every faction in the campaign even on the higher difficulty. Playing with imperial guard or Tau would be much harder.
@@51dodoc Necrons are slow moving while the Eldar are extremely fast. By the time you destroy one webway assembly they've already built a bunch of others and a bunch of hidden ones. Compare that to other factions that move much faster and could curb the eldar's development before they become OP. I did that with the necrons but thats only viable for the necrons in the early stages of the game. As for unit strength, a good portion of the eldar units are actually stronger than the necron ones (especially higher end ones like Khaine). Correct me on that if i got it wrong. Oh and back to the assemblies, you cant even see them unless you use wraiths. That unit has very little HP and is prone to dying. Yes i know you can be strategic with its invisibility but its still prone to dying a lot. As if that wasn't enough the bone singers are slippery bastards who can save their faction's ass by building yet more webway assemblies and webway gates in quick succession while also hiding them. They also have quite a bit of hp. But yes, you can beat them (cheesy strats like flayers deep striking into a base are useful) but its a very long and painful game of attrition. So it looks to me like the eldar are a hard counter to the necrons.Very fitting since in lore the Old Ones created the eldar to fight the necrons in the war in heaven. Doesn't make it any less mind numbingly painful to fight them though.
@@kingbyrd.1512 I had an easier time defeating the Eldars than chaos to be honest, sure Necrons are slow but you can teleport your units to any building to counter the Eldars harassment strategy and once you get your relic units and the nightbringer it's just a matter of patience before you wipe them out. Agree that it's a bit too long thought but it's not really hard.
I’m here only 28 minutes from being posted, but I gotta go to sleep because sleep helps calm down the voices in my head and I forever live in Spain without the S because multiple girls talk to me but non of them a flirting. Now that I said the funny dark humor I require the heart.
Death is not dishonor. A meaningless death is worse than dishonor. But to not die? That carries with it the honor of serving the Emperor once more. You... you have brought honor to many Astartes today.
At least you weren't playing Necrons to make this challenge even more dreadful. Either way it's pretty impressive to see it be done. Hats off to you for enduring it!
@@catlife6027 In dark crusade their mechanics are that they are really fucking tanky and able to resurrect their units. The way this is "Balanced" is by making the necrons really fucking slow.
I independently started this same challenge, and am struggling because I was trying to avoid building destructions. But, with building destructions being OK, maybe it is much easier. EDIT: Pro tip for the 2nd mission, you can shoot the unit generating ork buildings over the fence or across the water with scouts hidden.
Correction. Dreadnoughts need nearly dead, crippled marines. Those that the apothecaries can't get back on their feet. Sure they have their lines like even in death I still serve. But that just isn't the case. Or, in other words. Dreadnoughts are the 40K equivalent of armed wheelchairs sent into battle, rather than machines that can resurect the dead. That's the necron's sthick.
Slight issue, Dreadnaughts are the equivalent of Army vets that were too wounded to be back into service. But this being the Imperium that wasn't a good reason for an honorable discharge so they hooked them up to a life support war machine to keep on fighting. Thus they are not dead, just barely alive.
It is actually possible to make the Deamon Prince stuck in a mountain if he performs a certain animation near a mountain, I don't remember if it's a finisher animation or a base attack, but I managed to pull it off 2 times in my playthrough at Insane, it's the easiest way to kill the Daemon Prince
I loved this game when it came out but holy fuck this campaign was held together with duct tape. Watch your troops try to kill the enemy barracks and it spawns full squads every few seconds. orks spawning just to charge a heavy bolter line i can see, eldar and chaos marines less so
Amazing video have never played the game but it looks very cool also when is can you beat btd 6 with only monkeyoplis while being blindfolded upside down
I'm honestly convinced that beating Winter Assault deathless will be impossible. Order Mission 3 in particular - there just isn't enough time to set up defenses and pump out vehicles before the ork tide washes over you But I'm happy to be proven wrong. Curious to see who you pick for the eventual Dark Crusade/Soulstorm playthroughs. Tau seem like the obvious choice with all of that ranged firepower.
Same mannerisms and script style too. Either it's the same guy with a shittier mic or he's blatantly copying mittensquad on purpose. Feels way too similar
You know in all truthfulness, while making this video there was a fucking breastmilk scandal and at this point I can't even question the decisions there anymore. It's just par for the course.
I haven't seen the video yet, but it is possible, i did it a long time ago. I did it because in the lore of the Tartarus campaign, Angelos only brought a little over 150 space marines (veterans, battle company and scouts). Fighting thru everything the game puts up against you, if you play without tactics, you will lose more than a company. Finally: I love that you did this, this is a lore friendly way to play the campaign and it's not easy, cause, why the work of an Angel of Death would be easy? Their duty is death, either the death of the enemy or their own death. Ave Imperator brother!
30:00 As far as I know, enemy rarely ever will attacks on terminator base if u won't captuer strategic points near it, also the attacks are extremely easy,w ith enemy dreadnaught being the only unit that will outrange terminators. Also, moving them accros map is easy as shit.
I was going to say "those are space marines, of course they can win without dying, try guardsmen next time" but then I saw that you have a winter assault deathless video too.
