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I just bought the Viltrox 24mm f1.8 lens for my Nikon Z5, I didn't even realize it had an aperture ring on it when I ordered it. It was a pleasant surprise.
Yes, only Fuji’s manual style makes sence. No need for additional parts. Clean, simple and fun. I so hope Sony and the others would join the beautiful Fuji style.
Fuji (and by now also Nikon) seem targeting old hobbyists as their most profitable main customer group, already since a while. That's why they are so much into this retro theme. Sony is completely different, they target 'everyone', but in particular also pros which want cameras as functional tools to deliver a job dependably (for example via AI AF or tracking superiority). Fuji's (and partly Nikon's) retro orientation is unlucky (for most), as this always comes at the cost of giving up ergonomics. Most often a missing or a crippled remainder of a grip. I'm glad that vintage cameras' shapes are a thing of the distant past.
As an amateur I would find your formulation (for no PASM) on Nkkon Zf confusing. I think Nikon have made the right call - people are used to PASM and know where they are with it.
Some how I don’t have a problem using my X-Pro2 which does not have a PSALM or what ever it is. How hard can it be to turn a dial if the light changes…
@@domtomas1178 If it's so easy to do either way, why are people so fixated on getting rid of the PASM dial? How hard can it be to change that for different modes?
To be clear, just the presence of the M on the screen does not tell us that it has the PASM dial. Fujifilm also displays the mode that your dial's settings would translate to in PASM equivalent--so if you have every dial set to A (auto) except for the aperture ring, it will show A for aperture priority.
I can see why they would want to go with black. They want it to be a modern day F3. Black is the colour for all their professional cameras. Sometimes it’s hard to take the vintage vibe silver and black cameras seriously as pro cameras. Nikon is bringing back the classic look but for it to be used as a professional camera, it has to be more in line with the F3 and their other pro cameras.
Although I like the look of the Zf especially considering that I own the Df, I think Nikon should consider looking at creating a rangefinder style camera that would compete with the Fujifilm X100V, especially considering the shortage of supply and demand that Fujifilm have been struggling to keep up with. Then again maybe wishful thinking.
I agree about getting rid of the PASM mode control. It really would be intuitive to operate that way. Of course I come from the day of fully manual cameras when aperture rings and shutter speed dials were normal.
Yes, and a world where ISO was decided before you turned the camera on. With the *option* to have the PASM dial, it allows faster operation. And it avoids having to remember what setting was used previously, when going back in forth between the modes. Go between A and S, like at a sporting event, and the aperture ore shutter speed will generally stay fixed.
I would hope that the US copyright with regards to AI and photography and art in general is that if you can show that AI was used more of as any other Photoshop tools that we are familiar with (spot healing, content aware fill, image resizing, noise reduction and so on) stuff that essentially puts AI in the roles of previously accepted tools that shows the artist actually has actually put into the work actual effort and not just asking or pressing a button and AI generates an image
Not interested in the Nikon Zf at all, let's see if the Nikon stocks will fall after the official announcement. They should really be focussing on a Nikon Z6 III and a Z50 II with a proper EVF, subject detection and tracking features similar to a Z8/Z9.
Having shot wildlife with MFT, APS-C and fullframe cameras, nothing beat the ergonomics and shooting experience of the Panasonic G9. If a G9II comes out with amazing PDAF i'll likely trade in my Canon R7 towards it!
I once made the mistake of going for a camera with a retro user interface: the Pentax MZ5n. It had an "A" setting for shutter speed and aperture and real dials at a time when Nikon and still cameras were all buttons and LCDs. And the result was that I chose the camera brand that had taken a very long time to launch their first DSLR. After a few years I got tired of waiting for a DSLR and switched to Nikon. So maybe Nikon isn't such a bad choice, even if they still don't use that old school interface for the Zf 😅
I'm going to buy Zf as soon as it hits the market, I'm saving for it. And yes, I want the analogue functionality & silver and black combination, I hope Nikon will add that on the final product. Lastly, AI generated images should not have the copyright at any point. You want copyright creat something using your own talent and hard work, can't take cradit for someone else's work. Thank you
@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas not a big difference, but i just find it more convinient. Say for wildlife i can have the aperture set to f7.1 and have shutter speed on auto while not much is happening, but once something starts moving i can quickly change shutter speed to something fast, without having to switch modes, loosing control over aperture or going into M where the aperture value might be set differently or something. Also works quite well with the dial setup of the R7, where i can use the rear dial at my thumb to change which setting the front dial changes. Thus i can control aperture, shutterspeed, iso and exp correction (if at least one of the others is on auto) with just the two dials
9:30 Canon has the FV Mode, where Shutter, Aperture and ISO can be controlled manually or automatic individually. It's basically what you describe here. I pretty much never use the other modes on my cameras since I discovered this feature.
In Manual Mode with Auto ISO you have to always set Aperture and Shutterspeed. In FV Mode you can choose wether to set one, two, or all three options manually or automatic and you can easily switch one or all of them to automatic without having to switch modes. It's basically a combination of full Auto, Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority and Full Manual in one Mode. Hence the Name Flexible Variation.@@jorgepinogarciadelasbayonas
Actually, PASM is not a thing of the camera OS. Dials for aperture, speed and iso with their respective A position would actually determine any of PASM modes implicitely. Ie., no need to modify the OS (except to read the A dial positions) would be required.Only if all 3 dials would be out of A, would you then see an "M" mode on the rear screen.
Tony, you said in a recent podcast that you do get bothered by some of the nasty comments. Perhaps Nikon designers similarly get bothered by RU-vid photography influencers complaining about a particular UI decision, as if the way they want it is the only one which makes sense? Going from M to P would require changing both the aperture and shutter speed to "Auto". Deciding to go back to A or S would require changing the aperture or shutter speed to a specific setting. Switching between A and S, in particular, requires changing one to a value and the other to Auto, and reversing it to go back. With the PASM setting, the aperture and shutter speed can always be left at a particular values, and one change of PASM can go between them. For example, at a sporting event, the shutter speed could be set at 1/500" and the aperture at f/2.8. While taking pictures of the action, use S. When taking pictures of the fans, use A.
As far as the patton office, it is a question of the Turning test. As far as the interface to the camera, it makes sense that not A for shutter and not A for aperture equals M mode. The tricky part, at least on the Canons is the dial sends two signals, rotate right, rotate left, I have never seen a predefined position on that same dial. The other dial is only predefined positions.
If computers are using photos from other photographers that are listed as license free, and then manipulating the images, this should not be copyrighted by the computer. Only photos created by the sole person who made them should be allowed for copyright to that person. Same goes to illustrations, only illustrations (or graphic images) created by the sole person who made it should be copyright eligible to that person. Computers usually borrow images (perhaps license free), then manipulate them, so that should not be copyrighted.
I don't agree with your take 10:48. Nikon may in fact be limited by software (or hardware) patents by Fuji. Also, PASM allows one to switch from manual to semi auto without changing all the settings - this is a good thing!
It would really surprise me if patents were limiting this. Nikon aperture rings go to Auto, and even tend to have a lock. Other cameras have "A" on the shutter speed dial.
In the recent AI copyright case the court found the the comic book could be copyrighted as a whole, but individual AI images could not be copyrighted. AI law is at its infancy, but this finding seems like a pretty well-balanced start.
Hmmmm ..... regarding the PASM. In order to have an A on the time dial you also need an A on the aperture dial. But .... do Nikon have aperture dials with an A on their lenses? Nope, so they need PASM or something similar.
Without the PASM dial, either shutter speed or aperture, or both, have to be turned all the way to Auto. The command dial controlling aperture could have Auto after f/22, or whatever is the highest aperture number, just as the aperture ring does.
There is not going to be a novelty camera called Nikon ZF it's all fake , you already have the ZFC novelty camera .The dodgy images are of a Fuji XT4 and modified in photoshop with a distorted misaligned Nikon Z 35mm cut and pasted onto a XT4 .
Copywriting an AI photo should be very much like a patent. Part of the copyright should include any and all images used to create the image and the differences.
Impossible. Each image has an unknown amount of billions of influences. Should every one among the billions of people with a camera at hand (counting smartphones) get a compensation of a one billionth of a dollar? On what basis would a photographer demand a higher compensation than a random Chinese school girl with her smartphone?
If you allow copywriting of AI generated images, the next person who uses the same or similar prompts, would end up breaching copyright. In fact, even the AI software developers might be in breach even though their AI generated the image in the first place.
The reason Nikon require an MASP/A mode selector is that they don't have aperture rings on most of their Z Mount lenses - there is no way to select an aperture A mode without a separate way to do this. I prefer the Fujifilm way of doing it with aperture rings, but it doesn't bother me that much how it is done on the Nikon Zfc. But, I wish Nikon would put aperture rings on their Z Mount lenses - this is a much easier way to control the camera than command dials. I'd be glad to see any new camera without command dials.
Nikon chose not to do the same thing Fuji did when they introduced the Z lenses.If they want to do it like Fuji then the Z lenses must have an aperture ring that has aperture marking on it and an A position.
If The Creative Machine's creator believes his creation is its own "conscious entity," capable of independent thought, and that its images should be copyrightable based upon this argument, then surely The Creative Machine should not need Thaler to legally advocate on its behalf in an appeal. It should be able to do so itself, or decide to hire its own lawyer. Either it's a "conscious entity," or it's not.
I am sure the copyright issue is less about ai, and more about the fact that a copyright can only be owned by a legal entity. A tree cannot own a rock. The copyright must be owned by a person, trust or corporation. A machine is none of those
Maybe we'll get lucky and those top dials will also include an "A" on the ZF. If they do I may actually add a ZF with my X-T1 and X-T4 for shooting my vintage lens collection.
@@unbroken1010 I wish. Bought everything used, as cheap as I could find. I'd have to save or sell off some stuff for the ZF, and it would be my first new camera.
the machine is not truly autonomous. to get an image from it you still need to tell it what you want. The machine still needs human interaction. Just like if i want Tony to take my photo I still have to ask him and tell him what type of photo I want, this is a promote.
I do not have a problem with using AI to compose images as long as a human is behind the wheel. I do have issues with strictly AI-generated content (images, music, etc).
AI is copying, stealing, using, manipulating; other people's images and should not be given credit for unique creation. I loved my Nikon Df and probably should have kept it.
The AI ruling is premature as AI artists do now modify (re-train) models to their specific artistic style (using LoRa and what not). I am sure that that stuff will soon become copyrightable again.
If I find my images in A.i. copyright by someone else without drastic approation then I'm definitely suing and making whomever it is a public embarrassment.
Very interesting but still data has to be put in for it to work. Another explanation would be the best intuition in the world still needs some sensory data to work from. Otherwise it would just run in a vacuum of unreality having no practical application. Even dreams need data. Even thinking needs something to think about. So, AI needs input. The question then is can the input be copyrighted. AI for art or photography still uses a bases of images to work from which would be copyrighted. A lot of effort will have gone into generated the images that AI borrows from or uses to develop its own images. I can certainly understand the legal mess here. Looks like this is far from done.
It looks like a flip out screen. What are they doing? Zf mainly speaks to the photography first crowd. Such a miss. I’ve had both and for photography tilt screen is far superior.
I am waiting for anolgue functions FOR YEARS ! I'll never buy a PASM camera because it is a complete non-sens, it is non-intuitive and non-practical !!
Nikon NEVER learn from their mistakes. The DF was a drastic failure, and fast forward to 10 years later, the same implementation with the PSAM is still there. The only reasons why I think they are doing this is not to copy Fuji's implementation, or Nikon does not know what to do to lenses that do not have an aperture ring control that are adapted to this system.
I have to hand it to the camera manufactures. They keep developing new ways to bleed your pockets. It's no longer about the art of photography. It's about the gear, and sites like this one promote just that.
Nikon had lost too many pros, starting since many years ago with their failed start into the mirrorless era (their two single card slot cameras, who were a laughing stock also for their failed AF perfomance). Today, I think that Nikon knows very well that their remaining largest customer base are elderly hobbyists by now. Therefore it makes good sense for them to start doing such retro gimmicky stuff for their old hobbyists. I wouldn't blame Nikon for that. Even though I agree that indeed nobody "needs" such cameras 😉
Haha ... for the past 3 weeks I've been grabbing EVERY AI image i can of the internet and Copyrighting them under my name 😂😂😂 I learned it years ago from some prick that copyrighted all the National Archive pics - he now collects checks and angers photographers 🎉🎉🎉
Ultimately a 35k investment - will yield me 1000 of the webs best AI images from the Dawn of AI - i think it's worth it in the long run - I've wasted more on BTC so we will see
Who cares what the supreme Court says,.the Photography world should be against and Shame anyone trying to do it. Some people need shame in their lives like Zelinsky, BLM and our president.
But that's just the US. That has no normative power for outside of the US. What, if the EU courts or other countries' courts will decide differently? There goes much more human thoughts into a carefully crafted AI prompt, and into the culling (careful selection) of the finally chosen image, than the amount of thoughts spent by an event photographer on a photo among his thousands of more or less random (including randomly failed) photos?
Seriously, I'm really hoping the pictures of the back of the body are fake/pics of a ZFc. I want a camera with similar back face controls as my D850, so I can keep the same muscle memory but have a nice, fun "walking around" body that doesn't weigh as much as my pro body.
