Can you LEGALLY Build with SAWMILL Lumber? 

Same. Lots of very bent pieces, chunks taken out, cracks that almost completely go through the wood... knots over 50% of the size of the piece itself. it is kind of ridiculous having to dig through the huge pile and spend 30mins just to get a few straight pieces, I feel like I am working for free for the big box store LOL

Agree

@@Vid_Master You are (working for free)

Hear that.

what they do with it after its inspected..... they should inspect in store haha

No shit lol half of that crap has knots all through it lol

King Solomon ask the question, "What is crooked and cannot be made straight?" Answer... Lowes Lumber oh... Ecclesiastes 1:15

@@danielcarter7657 you know the rules, little guy get screwed, corporate welfare get to do whatever it likes

NK! My $50 16' 2x12 bowed like a rainbow as soon as I started notching it out for a stringer.. Total junk.

@@dewaynemartin6437 Problem is, for old timers who have been in the construction business for a long time, our current lumber sucks compared to what they were used to. The reason is that it isn't made from those old forest trees anymore, but mostly from plantation trees, cut at a fairly young age, which makes for more sapwood-heartwood mixed boards with lots of knots, and that is a recipe for an unstable wood. Small price to pay for the environnement, imo.

👍👍

Right On!

Exactly. And if I need stamped wood I'll stamp it myself

@@thespiritof76.. right? get a big piece of rubber, whittle a stamp out of it, done.

I've not studied it much, but I know you can do your own electrical and plumbing work yourself. It's when you make a profit doing it for others that you need a license. I believe that the same applies to building your own home. If it's for personal use, they can't force codes on you. If it's to sell or rent, it has to be to code. The main issue with your personal home is that the electric company and other utilities can require you to meet code before providing service. I got 2 driving on suspended, expired tags, improper tags and no insurance tickets dismissed in May. Learn the law, a license is only needed for commerce / professions.

Great idea!

Hustle is the right word for the bull shit

I'd actually love to know how one becomes a certified inspector. Sounds like a good way to get your own wood inspected without the expense, and maybe make a little extra cash to pay for the equipment maintenance.

@@lilacdragon9105 pay 5 grand

1955 the us was still a relatively free country

@@debbiesalo6771 In the old days, it was the actual finished size. Now what I want to know is how do you size a floor joist that is a whole tree with just the floor side cut smooth? :-) And do you count the bark as it has been there for over 200 years? :-D

That's wonderful, but it shows selection/survivorship bias. What percent of houses built in 1955 are still standing straight? Very few. Mine was built in 1958, and I'm the second owner. The late builder's widow didn't keep up with termite treatments, so we bought it cheap knowing we'd have a lot of repairs ahead. There are tons of foundations nearby of houses not built to last.

@@PatrickKQ4HBD You'd be lucky to get 1 shovel of portland cement to 8 shovels of sand and gravel which would be equivalent to 200 PSI concrete on most of them.

I just finished building my uncle a cabin out in Amish Country. All of the framing Lumber was green Douglas fir actual dimensional Lumber. That wood is so hard that you almost have to pre-drill to get screws into it and hand nailing is damn near impossible. I will say if you wanted to finish it with drywall it would be damn near impossible with the way the Greenwood changes. But I finished the entire thing in tongue and groove white pine. It's 800 square feet and I used over 25,000 Nails just on the finishing wood. I have no idea how many went into the framing. Suffice it to say I believe if a tornado hit it could pick that thing up and move it and it would still all be in one piece. Today's lumber at the big stores doesn't even come close to the strength of what I used. Most of the farm houses in my area just used the lumber on the land. I've had to do work where I'm drilling through 14 in of hard maple which makes up the rim joist / sill plate. Anytime they make regulations about what you're allowed to do when it comes to building your own home it's just so some fat cat can line his pockets and not have competition from the little guys who actually do it better. So far as I can tell. One way to get around the bullshit is to build it as a pole building on pylons. March project was set on eight by eight every six feet.

Lot of sad truth there.

Pay to build with you own wood then pay every year to own the building and the property it is sitting on, and pay when you sell it or eventually die.

@@robinson1509 - So, Caveman really was Smarter! No Taxes! Ever!

@@robinson1509 don't forget to tax the income and gas and the tax for the tax prepped...😭

If you've been pulling levers in the voting booth all this time that are attached to democrats and republicans.... you voted for it. Maybe you should stop doing that. I'm just sayin.....

Not joke. True

No shit. 39$ for a sheet of 1/2" osb. Smfh

@@bigdaddytee7203 I was @ big blue box the other day and 3/4" garbage plywood was $74 per.. Not sanded for squat with plenty voids included for free.. To my disgrace I didn't buy a truck load..in fact I bought exactly $0.00 worth. What a bargain, eh?

It's a 1990 tuition joke.

@@bigdaddytee7203 really, more like 79 in CO what a rip

What country is that?

@@Mr83goat “county” and I don’t want to advertise then everyone will be trying to move here...

It is not like that where I live... I wish

Same here. We can even do our own electrical. However, that is the only thing that is a must to be inspected. The rest...they could care less. Feels good to live in freedomland.

@@jimmybob7364 My county overlaid pictures of Google to bust me on a small addition I had built. It exceeded their 200sq ft maximum by 40 sq ft requiring permits for framing, electrical, plumbing and fire code. My property is now red flagged by the county, as a building in violation.

lollzzzz

Start with your shirt, then your pants. It'll be harder, but do your sneakers or boots after that. You should be tired.

me too................................................

@Chris Merck I'm to old for that now, buying a wooded lot (or planting one) is definitely on my list of things I should have done as a young person. I also should have bought a shut-down gravel pit when the prices were shit and ran goats on it until things improved.

Oh don’t we wish that that were still so.

Wish I lived in the USA you did

Tell them that in the House and the Senate.

Yes you can... But .... If you try to sell it or get a loan against it, it has to be permitted. Northern California has the most strick building codes in the world. And fines to match.

@@jaysallinen3788 another good reason to not reside in california

Is this true cause that would be awesome!

@@jacelandadventures1523 just about to finish a 24x36 house pattern now for a friend who helped me build back in 2001

JD Edwards this is great news cause I would like to mill some wood and build some small timber framed cabins!

That is awesome. The more I learn, the more I love TN.

Might have to find me a nice little spot in Tennessee then cause i would like to cut my own lumber and build my own buildings plus home and grow the trees back

I have seen some that are so curved they would make a great burn barrel

Most of the structural lumber at big box stores that are banded on pallets and look straight turn into propellers once they're un-banded, and begin to REALLY dry out........in my experience. Avoid the ones with twigs and leaves sprouting out of them, too.

Yeah, but you need to dry it for a year to burn.

Get 100% free lumber and get paid to remove it. Simply get into demo jobs. Demo a building without excessive damage and most material can be re used.

@@shawnkelly1241 My man

@@mikeschmidt4800 not a man just advice to make money and get free lumber and other building materials. The real men acually do it.

Yes, Press On!

Great way to get a little away time.

the cost of the stamp would many times the cost of buying finished lumber. certification costs a ton of money

@@HolzMichel It doesn't have to be certified, it just has to identify as certified... ;)

@@cumberlandgapconspiracy found the crazy guy!

It's not the stamp, forging the paperwork is the hard part.

We always shake our to get the squirrels out.

I've watched water roll down a board i was ripping, literally

@@_RocketRooster not from lumber from lowes you havn't. They sell only quality lumber😂🤣

Well just cuz it was 19% when inspected doesn’t mean it wasn’t left out in the rain after that

A lot of that "moisture" is the fluids they treated the board with

So much for "building inspectors". Hahaha! Great story.

@@Milosz_Ostrow actually those stamps were legal because Dick was the engineer who designed a originally certified the gluelams.

home depot/lowes... or anywhere else for that matter... and while one CAN get lucky sometimes... having worked in the construction business i know how lumber is.... and what gets delivered to job sites, much less what is left over for the weekend builders who buy lumber from these places.....

@@mikewhitaker2880 - I have been able to get a few good ones if I go pick it myself.

@@chrismoore9997I've seen sections where there's nothing but cull boards from people picking all the good ones and leaving the ones that's aren't nice and straight. I hate having to pick from pallets of wood for nice straight pieces or ones with little to no knots.

look at the grain. the reason why it was so expensive is that it's *ash* it's going to be hella stable if it's already done done done seasoning and all - pine gonna look like a piece of ramen noodle after 20 minutes in the rain lol speciall green which most of what's a the big box stores is. you could command a premium if you just cut your boards to actual 2x4 instead of that dimensional lumber nonsense...well conditioned and processed fir is as good a wood as any for general usage. I hate that I always have to accommodate some weird intersections at some point because of the odd sized pieces, no matter how efficient my integration strategies.

Yeah you can find them straight. You’ll have to dig through a hundred to find it, but you can. Lol

Good one!

Except for a septic inspection.

You just think that you can. Your insurance company will have the opinion that not built to codes, not issuing check for damages from the storm. Local code inspections or not.

@@KevinCoop1 I have absolutely never heard of that happening in Missouri. Ever.

@@silverbackag9790 I live in Missouri too. I had not thought of it until I saw the video. Building Codes require that a Dwelling units structural lumber must be inspected, graded, and stamped. So, in all states, there are building codes that must be followed. I did electrical design and know electrical code and only some building code that applied to electrical. Your county authorities can tell you what building code needs to be followed if you do not know. Trust this, politicians always want to get involved and make decisions on what you can or can not do. A saying that I used to use. Just because you can, doesn’t mean you can. There are probably hundreds of houses built with ungraded lumber, but that does not make them legal. Respectfully, Kevin

That’s taking evil genius to a whole other level. 🤣

Absolutely - and a great way to get a lot time to do an inspection of the iron bar hotel - if you know what I mean.

@@nicolaihvass123 and that joke just went right over your head.

Ya buddy!

@@nicolaihvass123 That wouldnt send you to prison, just stick you with 6 figures worth of fines. Worst case if you couldn't pay the fees, they'd make you tear the building down.

Any person who uses the native timber harvested from and used entirely on the person's own property shall, if required, certify that the lumber meets the requirements of any building codes.......no class required. 43-28-313. Tennessee Native Species Lumber Act, Section E. advance.lexis.com/documentpage/?pdmfid=1000516&crid=c4c9afa9-eeb6-4843-8d31-4f885d4c1cb3&nodeid=ABRABCAADAAN&nodepath=%2FROOT%2FABR%2FABRABC%2FABRABCAAD%2FABRABCAADAAN&level=4&haschildren=&populated=false&title=43-28-313.+Tennessee+Native+Species+Lumber+Act.&config=025054JABlOTJjNmIyNi0wYjI0LTRjZGEtYWE5ZC0zNGFhOWNhMjFlNDgKAFBvZENhdGFsb2cDFQ14bX2GfyBTaI9WcPX5&pddocfullpath=%2Fshared%2Fdocument%2Fstatutes-legislation%2Furn%3AcontentItem%3A5JYX-16M0-R03K-J3BG-00008-00&ecomp=L38_kkk&prid=d6b87ecc-62fa-407f-8b9a-9fe930a224e8

Ed does what you are saying apply just in Tennessee? Do you know if other states have similar statutes,Illinois for one?

@@woodlandharvesthoneycompanyllc I don't know about other States. I worked with my legislator to get the law passed in Tennessee.

Right!

Um imediatly

Exactly!

SATAN

Control, slavery and tyranny

And people too stupid to stop voting for traditional candidates.

Yes and no. And even no, then it still is yes. Some of the regulations come to strongarm competition, (i.e. power and greed) But others come to pass because of accidents, or because a builder used cheaper material leading to failure. (again greed, but then from a different party). The power here tries to create a protective framework for non expert parties. All codes and specification are at least partly a collection of bad experiences.

Good point. Insurance companies are today's incarnation of Satan himself here on earth.

I don’t think the question will ever come up tho but it’s a gamble

the insurance industry demanded these regs......

@@redhed9776 Insurance companies can suck my nuts. I am getting screwed over on a title insurance claim against a garage that was built not to code, without a permit and is starting to come down. They are trying to "make it right" by giving me enough to rip it down, and not replacing the structure, which legally, written right in the policy is what they are supposed to cover. Heck, even my adjuster is saying so.

And that is on those that decide to build with said lumber. Just cant imagine how the settlers did so well....

@@sheepdoglogic The ones who survived did well.

Paul I live at 6500' and some of the structures were built back in the 1920's. 2x4 every two ft for rafters and 2x2 for studs every 2 - 4 ft. Some walls only had enough studs to frame in a window and a door. They had 2 - 6 ft of snow on them some winters. But they arent collapsing.

Hey I live in Florida.... Been pretty nice over the last year

Hey we hat a category 1 hurricane hit Tampa and it felt like a rain storm in New York City. I’ll take that over snow anytime!

that my friend is genius....if possible

Better yet, just buy the rubber stamp.

@@cdawg9149 you win the interwebs. 😂👍

So become an inspector and invest in a saw mill genius

@justan idiot inspection is common sense

The gubmint needs to get their share of that sweat, sir.

not in summit county colorado there is a war on sweat equity if you dont comply with there progresive thinking you dont get power or co they are driving up building costs so the middle class is gone poor get affordable housing rich pay 700 $ afoot social engineering at work

@@kevinburk1670 Colorado has an issue with fire and with water. When a house burns it can ignite nearby grasses and forests. That in turn can torch more houses. Most rural areas do not have fire hydrants or full time fire departments. There was a time when wood shingle roofing was popular. People noticed that many homes with fireplaces and wood shingle roofs burned down with some causing forest fires, regulations were put in place to ban wood shingles. Building permits are there to ensure that the builder is up to date on the county's codes and the codes are there to reduce the chances of a known problem reoccurring. New materials and methods leads to new hazards and new codes are required to keep builders informed. Many rural homes would flush their toilets into a nearby stream which isn't that big of a problem when there was one home per every 10 square miles. When housing became more dense people preferred to get a government so they could carry the bad news to all the toilet owners in the area and to prevent new builders from doing that in new construction. Buying a home in a rural area can be full of bad surprises. Many places still have a septic tank that is nothing more than a hole in the ground. Not a problem until a new owner drills a water well and the family starts getting sick. The big bad government has to tell them that they are required to install a sewer settling tank and a leach field which will cost the new owner $10,000 or more.

@@danielebrparish4271 you are missng the point im talking about the government picking and choosing winers and losers taxing and redistributing wealth

The resulting laws have come about from the combination of greedy businesses using laws to drive business(lobbyists) AND people requiring government service to save them from their unsafe/lazy/ignorant construction decision. Lobbyists should be banned from ever speaking to any law creating legislator. The cost to live in this country would drop dramatically(think medical) and we’d all be much safer(think NRA).

Building inspectors only exist to get property taxes put on the books as soon as possible and at an amount that is maximum for the area.

There are none in Somalia, go for it!

@@stanford2444 There are none in a lot of places in America. Aside from well and septic permits a lot of rural places do not employ building inspectors.

@@Grandpacarlreacts Yep and places like where I live have no zoning regs either.

But what would your insurance company say if if gets blown down? Inspectors are not liable for their actions, but you are.

@@KevinCoop1 just because I used sawmill lumber doesn’t mean I don’t have to build to code. It didn’t mean I didn’t have to get inspections for all the trades and the framing. Didn’t mean I didn’t get the CO. I passed every inspection that was needed and NOBODY cared that I used sawmill lumber. The structural engineer that signed his name to my home drawn plans didn’t care either. It’s a money racket. The only thing the insurance company wanted to see was the CO.

@@wovenrootsfarmstead5177 You did it right! Most would not. They just think codes can be ignored!

@@KevinCoop1 I could’ve ignored them. They would’ve pulled my power meter though. I’d have been off grid whether I wanted to be or not....

@@wovenrootsfarmstead5177 You are right. I worked for electrical contractors mostly since 1983. In St. Louis, you can’t get occupancy permit without final electrical inspection on your permit either. No off grid occupancies allowed.

That kind of nepitism should be easy for any developer to set up a joint sting operation. Does the brother with the lumber-yard offer his materials at a reasonable price? If there is a direct instruction on the part of the planning department, that can be recorded and used in court,... unless the Judge is also related.

@@jacobnoble8778 good point about corrupt judges

All too common no joke

Illinois? ISNT that the origin of graft and deficits?

@@ronskancke8166 that would be texas

Well obviously signs of insect infestation here.... crooked, bowed, softwood. Doesn't want to waste gas on the trip out....so gives it a quick stamping anyway. She says to herself I know this one's going to wind up in a dumpster behind Home Depot

I'm not proud that I understood this reference immediately

There's a small joke in there somewhere.

I wonder how much does school cost to learn how to grade. Grade your own lumber. Do it when you're in your twenties

MaddMaxx2012 " Then i took her go go look at guns and ammo"

@@johnwallace1729 No. That is not humour! Keep trying tho buddy, you'll crack it occasionally.

@@jackrichards1863 Yes it is unfortunately

Wheres that bud?

@@ryananthony7115 Lots of rural counties have no zoning, permitting or building inspections.

i live in an abandoned country club that was supposed to be a self contained community. the corporation that started it went belly up. the county wont take responsibility so we just do what ever the hell we want. we maintain our own roads. its nothing to hear hundreds of gunshots at any hour of daylight. just target practice. we dig wells. we put up any kind of fence we want. its lovely.

@@ryananthony7115 Most of Missouri minus the cities. Permits/inspections for septics only and that's only been in the last 15 years.

What about profit motives. A sawmill cuts wood, dries the wood, send to distributors, etc. But remove the middleman, then you can save money, which means challenging middlemen profits. Oh, wood may go through a planer. But there are different grades of lumber, like having grain that goes the length of the wood is favorable for strength.

They already know far more than the people who make the laws

How do you think us old timers learned ?? Use your brain, look at the log and not a cell phone.

@@forbesmathews89 By using your brain wrong, making dumb mistakes, and learning your lessons? That's how I learned. 😆

If you're building for yourself, overbuilding something does makes sense. You'll have far less trouble later on.

too*

Just dont get caught.

Much agreed. Amazing how many old structures are still standing many many years later that never had stamped lumber.

@@MrJonrocker or had a permit from the county

@@MrJonrocker That's because you don't see all the structures that failed. This is the very definition of, "survivor bias".

This might hinder those that fell and mill their own lumber, but it protects all the consumer base that purchase lumber. Homesteaders and those that can mill their own lumber for their own use are a small percentage of the total consumer base of lumber. Because history has shown us that manufacturers will cut corners and will do so to the detriment of the consumer. Remember a few years back when Chinese officials were caught cutting Milk with melamine in order to double or triple the yield, do you think that didn't occur here in the US, why we have standards and code for food safety, not to protect the farmer but the end user, because when it happened int the US, and the milk producers were cutting the milk with water to double or triple the yields, the US Government stepped in and standardized the industry because children were being malnourished to the point of the death of infants.

When the house you just bought falls down, because the builder didn't use approved lumber, good luck getting the insurance money. Or indeed getting the courts to rule in your favour.

Make sure to use a local stamp

Thanks guys was thinking ill do the same.

at $30 for a 2x10...My ol 0 Frick mill and Detroit 4-71 is gona be singing again soon.

The government which caters to only big business is a bunch of jerk offs. The white and yellow pine they want you to use for structural stuff is complete garbage. It's one of the softest Woods. And right now they are charging almost the price of Hardwoods and well above what Hemlock would cost from an Amish Sawmill. And Hemlock is far far harder and stronger than any board you're going to get from Lowe's or Home Depot.

doesn't*

That's almost as illegal as printing your own money.

Never Trust anyone to protect you. Don't give up your liberty and freedom for a false since of security.

@@michaellynch1159 so unless you built your own home or bought one and removed all the drywall it would seem you are trusting someone to protect you.

@@toddfriley9373 What I'm saying is take responsibility for yourself..

Don't forget the fire and rescue squads that may have to operate on properties. So many people in the comments fail to realize there are more folks in the world than just them.

@@michaellynch1159 what I'm saying is I don't have X-Ray vision and I don't want to have to go everywhere with my shoe bar just to see what kind of a structure I'm in. Ripping drywall off can get awfully dusty.

You can. Same hourly rate but you maintain a certificate/ license which would have an annual fee and you would be subject to surprise inspection/tesring

Dam right. I'm a crane operator and put a lot of time and money into gov test and training. Why not do the same if you want to make money on lumber you mill. And I agree with Rob-bot Butler.

How about three sheds? Then connect them!

How hard was that process?

Somebody's gotta pay for the dems voter fraud