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Can YOU Punish LOW ELO Mistakes? - SKILL TEST Mid Lane! 

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Mid Guide Description: In this guide, we send a challenger player into gold elo to play various different mid lane match-ups. We then test your knowledge to see if you can spot the most common low elo mistakes in the mid lane and teach you how to punish and avoid them! Enjoy!
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@skillcapped
@skillcapped 4 года назад
You asked for a mid lane version of this guide! We listened. What do we make next fellow mid laners? Drop your suggestions below and subscribe so you don't miss the uploads! 😎
@bhraazkashyap3466
@bhraazkashyap3466 4 года назад
Great! Can you make a guide for low elo junglers too? You're one of the best league channels out there
@the_leaning_tiger2707
@the_leaning_tiger2707 4 года назад
Video about game quality difference between regions
@HeilmwaterStudios
@HeilmwaterStudios 4 года назад
LINK THE BG MUSIC IN DESCRIPTON PLZ
@anathadenver6027
@anathadenver6027 4 года назад
I have a question. That ori vs zed matchup, why did you push the wave? I've learned from one of your videos that if you are the long-ranged one you should freeze the wave under your tower and when you're the assassin you should let the wave push because you can all in at level 2 or 3
@TerrenceRog
@TerrenceRog 4 года назад
Nathan De Vera I think the idea is that you dont want zed to roam, so you push in his wave so he will miss a lot of cs if he decides to roam.
@SKjear
@SKjear 4 года назад
You can tell by the way this Veigar plays the lane that he's gotten used to being oneshot by Zeds everytime he leaves his turret
@G6GamingSociety
@G6GamingSociety 3 года назад
well yeah, Zed hard counters a Veigar. So picking Veigar into a Zed was the first mistake xd
@RamRam.720
@RamRam.720 3 года назад
this is why i perm ban him
@kelvinmonteiro6485
@kelvinmonteiro6485 3 года назад
To many dumbasses pick useless champs against zed but if someone picks galio or malphite malz zed will not play the game until late game
@Kamishi845
@Kamishi845 3 года назад
@@G6GamingSociety yeah idk why someone would pick a champion they are not comfortable with playing into that particular matchup and essentially just give up the entire laning phase because of fear of dying. Veigar could easily get exhaust or barrier as well so he can survive some burst and trade back better, and obviously rush Zhonya's and slow push the wave to build leads that way. Veigar is weak early but he is still ranged and can poke well if done right.
@pandamilkshake
@pandamilkshake 3 года назад
@@kelvinmonteiro6485 Just ban Zed, lmao
@BartixShieldsmen
@BartixShieldsmen 4 года назад
"I spam ping sylas as he flamed me for picking zed as he gets solo killed level one" Things are as they should be, and now we have definitive proof that smurf or not they still play the same game with the same people
@rodlopes4327
@rodlopes4327 3 года назад
That was probably the most relatable sentence in the video.
@YMGTOffical
@YMGTOffical 4 года назад
Skill capped: try to detect mistake that veigar made Me: oh i see mcbaze missing cannon
@Tyler-ib3gl
@Tyler-ib3gl 4 года назад
!cannon
@nikospyridis9579
@nikospyridis9579 3 года назад
He missed a cannon on the second clip too.
@percyzhao9853
@percyzhao9853 4 года назад
Enemy makes one mistake Mcbaze: So, you have chosen death.
@TheToMiToX
@TheToMiToX 4 года назад
12:39 voli shows up on minimap, there's no stops to the jungle pain train lmao
@03VickE3
@03VickE3 4 года назад
That's what I was looking at. My guess was Vik was trying to bait, but went too hard or too early.
@oscarwong4201
@oscarwong4201 4 года назад
haha theyll say jg diff
@MickenCZProfi
@MickenCZProfi 4 года назад
That veigar had grasp, couldn't you find someone more representative? xD
@user-ff1ws1sf2u
@user-ff1ws1sf2u 4 года назад
That's the average player of that elo. No point complaining about how "representative" it is when it's pretty much close to perfect lmao.
@E-Puzzle
@E-Puzzle 4 года назад
It was representative indeed 😂
@TheStrayfer1
@TheStrayfer1 4 года назад
@@user-ff1ws1sf2u Strange how every Veigar I vs runs the usual comet, silver btw.
@kabloom6776
@kabloom6776 4 года назад
Low elo players don’t realize how messed up the enemies runes are because they don’t pay too much attention to the enemy runes. If you check the enemies runes every game trust me you’ll see worse than Grasp Veigar.
@lunermist4039
@lunermist4039 4 года назад
@@kabloom6776 grasp on ashe. Most tilting thing I run vs high burst comps
@VenomZyzz777
@VenomZyzz777 4 года назад
I punish them by spam pinging on them
@skillcapped
@skillcapped 4 года назад
haha very naughty
@dsadasdsafesdafsdf9392
@dsadasdsafesdafsdf9392 4 года назад
@@skillcapped hi mc iron
@dsadasdsafesdafsdf9392
@dsadasdsafesdafsdf9392 4 года назад
its ok because im bronze
@iumz4253
@iumz4253 3 года назад
Me: *searches for mistakes* Him: "So, you should have noticed 3 big mistakes here" Me: Wait what
@gizmo3728
@gizmo3728 4 года назад
Dont play the clips speed up, so we can think in real time about the play.
@Papa-John
@Papa-John 4 года назад
syndra: and now the lane is over also syndra: about to get ganked and feed the voli
@jordanlobo4680
@jordanlobo4680 4 года назад
These videos help me so much ty for uploading stuff like this! I’ve been playing for a month and a half now and I’ve already hit gold! Ty
@skillcapped
@skillcapped 4 года назад
woah that's awesome! Grats :D
@leagueofiron4868
@leagueofiron4868 4 года назад
Welp i've played for a year and i'm hardstuck in silver
@KK-gy9vz
@KK-gy9vz 4 года назад
League of Iron 4 just buy a new account for like 1 pound and it will put u with gold players so if u do good u get gold
@leagueofiron4868
@leagueofiron4868 4 года назад
@@KK-gy9vz Problem is i suck at this game
@VenomZyzz777
@VenomZyzz777 4 года назад
That’s 100% cap that you are gold already in just month and a half. There aint no way cuh, unless I look at your IGN
@ayay5402
@ayay5402 4 года назад
“U cant expect to climb if u dont win lane” Cries in kayle
@MakZkovich
@MakZkovich 4 года назад
Kayle, Kassadin etc win lane by going even
@GigaLigma
@GigaLigma 4 года назад
If you don't feed or get too behind in CS as such a weak early game champion, that is considered winning lane.
@ekkehard8
@ekkehard8 3 года назад
He's talking to midlaners, but I guess it applies to top as well
@ayay5402
@ayay5402 3 года назад
Ekkehard B. Kayle can be played midlane as well
@WoahE
@WoahE 3 года назад
falling behind isn't losing lane. for example if you're constantly 1v3 in mid lane and only down 15cs you're hard outperforming your opponent
@RedruMovie
@RedruMovie 3 года назад
This is actually my favorite type of video! You can actually try and come up with the answer yourself. It helps you actively think about different scenarios rather than just listening and trying to copy. Even if your own answer was wrong, you still learn a lot more from being corrected rather than just listening without coming up with an answer of your own.
@onlineavocado2163
@onlineavocado2163 4 года назад
So I was in my Gold promos and the Ashe on my team said that if she went 0/5 she would go afk. So I punished that low elo mistake the same way anyone would. I made a video about it :)
@jollybean9011
@jollybean9011 4 года назад
Lol I bet she didn't even get banned
@onlineavocado2163
@onlineavocado2163 4 года назад
@@jollybean9011 Does anyone get banned?
@sapientisat44
@sapientisat44 4 года назад
I did cause i let my freind play while i was a the toilet and he wrote things like kys and so on in the chat as a Prank -_-
@pzgamerch
@pzgamerch 4 года назад
@@onlineavocado2163 only the guy who flame afk one get banned. You can feed like 100 games straight and still fine.
@parafuegosarchive
@parafuegosarchive 4 года назад
@@onlineavocado2163 my friend get banned for cheating lol
@falsepanda2981
@falsepanda2981 4 года назад
11:40 Judging by how he was playing back previously, traded spontaneously, and ran to the side of the lane instead of back it looked like he was trying to bait for a Voli gank that didn't come. From the lack of river vision on the minimap it seems risky to take that heavy trade since Syndra dies (especially after whiffing her E) for that if Voli is there. Obviously this changes if Voli had recently shown top/bot/recalling/low HP, but no information was provided about him.
@ZerefGaming11
@ZerefGaming11 4 года назад
u see at 12:38 voli shows up. if vik play safe for like 10 sec the jungle couldve killed him since he's over extend
@danny102m
@danny102m 3 года назад
@@ZerefGaming11 I think he had a read on the jgler and either played to his limits, or just misread the jgl and got lucky.
@falsepanda2981
@falsepanda2981 3 года назад
@@kooldudematt1 ?????? I mean before Viktor died as the wave was pushing around when Viktor started trading.
@ZerefGaming11
@ZerefGaming11 3 года назад
@@kooldudematt1 as i said if he play safe for like 10 sec they couldve killed him. maybe vik could get the kill or not and he will still be able to get the minions then reset. from that point on i think he can still comeback or get even atleast
@eronabcj1693
@eronabcj1693 4 года назад
Thank you! As obvious as these may seem when you first hear them I always find myself forgetting most of these principles when in lane, so these videos help to keep them in mind!
@WinterzPlayz
@WinterzPlayz 3 года назад
him:Alright you shoulda spotted 3 big mistakes Me: Wait wtf, bro slow down
@theomorrison1099
@theomorrison1099 4 года назад
Can we see a Hector vs McBaze 1v1 and an analysis of it?
@smurfetryne
@smurfetryne 3 года назад
i think hector would win but they should do custom hector with 5 irons vs mcbaze with 5 bronze XD i feel like hector gets the hard challenges like win the game while inting the first 30 min.
@chocololz123
@chocololz123 Год назад
this.
@ioniann7741
@ioniann7741 3 года назад
Love these guides! Thank you
@vladislavkaras491
@vladislavkaras491 3 года назад
Really great pointing of mistakes!
@ghriankashtagelenski6577
@ghriankashtagelenski6577 3 года назад
Could you please avoid accelerating the clips when we're supposed to spot mistakes? It kinda defeats the purpose of it
@Fire6
@Fire6 3 года назад
Yep makes no sense
@Goetterkomplex_
@Goetterkomplex_ 4 года назад
"Watch this mid lose" ~Sylas to Zed at 8:45
@janbrune6230
@janbrune6230 3 года назад
Ironic
@Goetterkomplex_
@Goetterkomplex_ 3 года назад
@@janbrune6230 He could stop others from inting... but not himself
@janbrune6230
@janbrune6230 3 года назад
Is it possible to learn this strategy?
@Goetterkomplex_
@Goetterkomplex_ 3 года назад
@@janbrune6230 Not from Sylas.
@breadpencil4404
@breadpencil4404 4 года назад
I only spotted some mistakes but it was learning what the others were
@markolozarpo6011
@markolozarpo6011 3 года назад
Tbh I watched a lot of your vids and I am happy about my progress. I tried to int my lane lvl 1 and lvl 2 in Plat 4 in Zed vs Kata matchup "I was Zed" and I destroyed her in mid game being 2 levels ahead. Now I see enemy mistakes and I feel free to steal their LP. Thanks a lot!
@omegyoungswamp
@omegyoungswamp 3 года назад
You should do games where you had a bad day , and explain what you did wrong and how you could’ve played it better, I think that would make a lot of players recognize their own mistakes too . Just a thought
@dudester93
@dudester93 3 года назад
Please make a version for all roles, I loved the top lane version of this as well :D i'm really hoping for a bot lane out of this! :D
@andresfelipezuluagaortiz5754
@andresfelipezuluagaortiz5754 4 года назад
I need the tier list sooooo bad T.T (Nice video btw)
@BeasltyGrace
@BeasltyGrace 4 года назад
Love the video, hate seeing missed cannons😢
@dvelop4975
@dvelop4975 4 года назад
9:45 mcbaze understands our pain ahhhha
@TomyBattello
@TomyBattello 3 года назад
that volibear ganking in the last kill under tower XD
@deadly689
@deadly689 4 года назад
2:57 the big mistake is the canon :3
@goodguydafe375
@goodguydafe375 4 года назад
I love these types of videos
@davidgauffindahlin698
@davidgauffindahlin698 3 года назад
Mcbaze, have you done a video covering pockets and jiggeling to trade and play the game correctly? It's such an important concept and it could help alot of people climbing. You do it through the whole video and never mention it. I feel like you should make a video explaining it
@CptApplestrudl
@CptApplestrudl 3 года назад
Yea...I'll have to watch this a few times to hopefully internalize some of it...although I'm bot lane.
@markizu1
@markizu1 3 года назад
In the clip zed vs fizz the moment fizz traded at lvl 4, I don't think that minion advantage was really the reason for which fizz lost the trade, but rather the way he played it out on mechanically. Fizz inflicted no damage with his most important spell - e
@raigreen517
@raigreen517 4 года назад
example for melee vs ranged / ranged vs melee/ ranged vs ranged/ melee vs melee? LOOOOOVE IT
@ximenasarinana4181
@ximenasarinana4181 4 года назад
Everyone loves Hector voice, not that I don't, but McBaze voice it's like soothing... Really enjoy his commenting
@gowon2251
@gowon2251 4 года назад
Sylas : "Watch this mid lose" ... lol 8:46
@sonicboom5012
@sonicboom5012 3 года назад
Looking at the chat, I can understand that they knew it was gonna be 4 AD or something judging by what shaco said, yes it is bad but some people really freak out and rage more than others
@Vbitvk
@Vbitvk 3 года назад
Im intrigued that you did not try to proc the dark harvest in 6:58 as it gives you % bonus to all other keystones with each stack.
@Bhavya0409
@Bhavya0409 4 года назад
Could you do one for ADC?
@gaeldelso315
@gaeldelso315 3 года назад
i have a question about winning lane, i play mages and ppl in my elo play lots of assasins so most of the times i dont win lane, i dont die, but i dont ussually get kills, should i try to play more aggressive even if im 90% of the games against assasins? or staying even in lane is worth enough as a mage?
@Grey24
@Grey24 3 года назад
Can your make a sequel on how to abuse this small lead you get after forcing them to have a bad recall? I often manage to so this but i end up throwing
@oreoex9392
@oreoex9392 4 года назад
dont think we didnt see the volibear there to clear up the kill haha when you played sydra, he still got assist gold
@RA-eg8tw
@RA-eg8tw 4 года назад
Name of the background muic, please Skilled Capped? - Day 46
@zhixunpek3200
@zhixunpek3200 4 года назад
The zed game was gold. Great plot
@iforgot8376
@iforgot8376 3 года назад
"What do you notice in this clip?" Your Nami and Bard bot lane got first blood at like 3 minutes.
@SkilleXeLps
@SkilleXeLps 4 года назад
Im curious, your melee guide seem to focus on assassins, but how do you guys recommend to play midlaners like Kassadin, he doesnt really have a capcloser on level 3
@ximenasarinana4181
@ximenasarinana4181 4 года назад
Passive, not dying and get even lane, that's how you win KassaWIN
@markrenton56
@markrenton56 4 года назад
What if I win lane and fall apart in the midgame? Would be cool to have a video about succesfully snowballing the lead :)
@dudaseifert
@dudaseifert 4 года назад
you missed the cannon in both videos, nice!
@reda.kharoubi
@reda.kharoubi 4 года назад
my main issue as a beginner (which seems to be the same as the players from these low elo videos) is unfamiliarity with champions. like, i only know a few champions. so most of the time i dont even know what my opponents do, which naturally means i cant deal with them
@sophiatesfaye9909
@sophiatesfaye9909 3 года назад
I have the same, and even if i check the abilities i still dont really understand, for example Zed
@Texuh
@Texuh 3 года назад
Why u didnt recall after the slow push crashes in the turret?
@Wikant18
@Wikant18 2 года назад
Could you do this on support?
@RAKASAMA
@RAKASAMA 4 года назад
Very very good
@SimplyXera
@SimplyXera 4 года назад
More bot lane mistakes pls! :)
@ivancoral6845
@ivancoral6845 4 года назад
Hey guys. Yesterday TFblade hit Grandmasters with an 84% winrate on his "80% wr to challenger or 1k subs" challenge. It would be great to have an analysis on how he did it, as well as a guide to snowball toplane like he does.
@masaboih
@masaboih 3 года назад
Everything you are asking for (how he did it and snowballs) is already included on skillcapped guides. Hes just better at executing the concepts in toplane than almost anyone in NA soloq currently. Pretty easy analysis, theres no secret ingredients on why he specificly is better than others.
@tommasomonterosso3777
@tommasomonterosso3777 3 года назад
could you do it for support?
@albertjonas5675
@albertjonas5675 3 года назад
Voli at the end is like "Hello there again"
@vyacheslav9306
@vyacheslav9306 4 года назад
12:50 volibear on minimap thinks you are not correct :)
@Decenity
@Decenity 4 года назад
what is syndra doing in the first clip trying to kill victor with 2 wards and a control ward in the inventory, no vision and no knowledge of where the jungler is. can you not just place the wards??
@chased7966
@chased7966 4 года назад
First it’s grasp veigar and then omnistone ori, playing those runes like it’s normal
@itspendragon
@itspendragon 3 года назад
Hola, podrían poner su títulos en español porfavor.❤️
@baptiste6998
@baptiste6998 4 года назад
I have a question : in he Zed Vs Fizz, what Fizz should have do when the wave was under his tower ? He cannot farm because zed harass him so I don't understand hat should he do
@ijuka
@ijuka 4 года назад
He actually can farm just fine. Zed Q doesn't deal a lot of dmg through minions anyway.
@MakZkovich
@MakZkovich 4 года назад
Will you make something like an "Omnistone is actually op start using it" kind of Video in the future ? I see you using it on ori and vi in the recent Videos
@fartalone3142
@fartalone3142 4 года назад
i doubt it cuz that kinda content is usually clickbait, while on skillcapped you get fundamentals and examples from which you are able to actually learn something useful.
@MakZkovich
@MakZkovich 4 года назад
@@fartalone3142 They made a Vi midlane Video, so it could be possible
@naqeta
@naqeta 4 года назад
7:03 cannon
@user-lq4eu6tw1d
@user-lq4eu6tw1d 3 года назад
i would love to see this sylas in this chat taking back what he said ingame lmao
@cooldog8856
@cooldog8856 3 года назад
I win top lane with Ziggs because of the same strats on the Q. And wave crashing.
@vukvelickovic7503
@vukvelickovic7503 4 года назад
What's the song in the background ?
@raeroush4490
@raeroush4490 4 года назад
Do you think you could do a smurf macro video with Ekko and Cass? Usually I win lane but struggle with mid-late game macro
@MakZkovich
@MakZkovich 4 года назад
As of Ekko, watch their 2 splittpush guides, it helped me alot.
@kelvinmonteiro6485
@kelvinmonteiro6485 3 года назад
4:45 zed is taking to much poke to get farm which will make him lose in hp diference
@thomasalberto613
@thomasalberto613 3 года назад
how do you sometimes have smart cast sometimes you don't?
@philthegoofball1999
@philthegoofball1999 3 года назад
Question, can you abuse mistakes in elos lower than gold such as iron bronze silver which lets be honest any of those 3 is where ill be placed.
@apmaz6112
@apmaz6112 3 года назад
Of course you can, why wouldnt you? It is even easier the lower u are. Also try to play simple mechanically champions since u say u are at that elo
@Teddyese
@Teddyese 4 года назад
what he didn´t mentioned is that voli came after he kills viktor xD
@sonicboom5012
@sonicboom5012 3 года назад
Thought it was a turret shot 😏
@tommytan7110
@tommytan7110 4 года назад
Can you do kassadin
@silentkaisei
@silentkaisei 4 года назад
The thumbnail made me think this was the nexus blitz ring of fire thing lol
@Jordy020
@Jordy020 4 года назад
whats the reason for dark harvest on orianna instead of phase rush vs zed?
@MakZkovich
@MakZkovich 4 года назад
Omnistione
@Jordy020
@Jordy020 4 года назад
@@MakZkovich lol i'm so stupid ofcourse its is... dark harvest logo next to his hp bar -_-
@geldbeutel506
@geldbeutel506 3 года назад
1:25 I as a veigar main cant agree. The only thing I care about are stacks. If my laner is pocking me I stack. If they are doing drake I stack. If my team is fighting I set one cage use my abilitys to oneshot a squischy and get back to stacking. After I have about 200 stacks I start playing aggressiv. I flash cage one shot someone and then die because my team is not engaging with me althought I play with my friends and we are all in discord and I say all the time that I am about to engage...
@duypham8746
@duypham8746 3 года назад
Imagine bringing grasp but didnt AA to stack it up
@johngreen9372
@johngreen9372 3 года назад
Is there one of these for adc?
@timpyrules
@timpyrules 3 года назад
I got a real Masterchef vibe from this. MacBlaze: See the huge mistake the enemy laner makes My Bronze ass: What an idiot Gordon Ramsey: It's still raw Me who never even cooked an egg: Amateur
@ma-cg1il
@ma-cg1il 4 года назад
Is there a top lane version of this?
@christhis9597
@christhis9597 3 года назад
11:47 nice e kekw
@Jason-uv5tm
@Jason-uv5tm 4 года назад
Please do bot lane next im an aphelios main
@RandyDaGamer
@RandyDaGamer 3 года назад
Let's all thank skill capped 🤩
@oneofthe12sionmains70
@oneofthe12sionmains70 3 года назад
But what if, say, I were the Veigar or Viktor instead and were far too weak early to snowball off of a small misstep by someone who outtrades me?
@Jinmeiko
@Jinmeiko 4 года назад
That veigar tho kekw
@whyistherumgone5693
@whyistherumgone5693 2 года назад
Im plat but I'm winning at least %70 of the lane phase when I'm mid. I realized that im doing these instinctively
@dusanarsenijevic5333
@dusanarsenijevic5333 4 года назад
Do this same but for top lane
@skillcapped
@skillcapped 4 года назад
we did!
@klbbq
@klbbq 4 года назад
Make a video like this but for top
@SinisterKeyblade
@SinisterKeyblade 3 года назад
What if I play kassadin, do I still need to win lane?
@MrMickeymac101
@MrMickeymac101 4 года назад
Wait but shouldn't you walk away when you crash the waves to avoid invinting the enemy jungler to come to your lane?
@carlosz2410
@carlosz2410 3 года назад
what rank are those players?
@Vaz_G
@Vaz_G 3 года назад
Is no one gonna talk about how he bought dorans blade in the zed vs fizz game
@alxrtv3159
@alxrtv3159 3 года назад
8:10 Fizz leveled w first if he traded he would get two autoattacks and the w damage vs one autoattack and maybe your q so its not even that dumb to go for a trade there
@G6GamingSociety
@G6GamingSociety 3 года назад
I would've leveled up E first but that's just me- the problem is Zed has a ranged poke on his Q so if he's a good Zed he won't be stupid and just walk up in auto range or let you be in range of Fizz Q.
@ijuka
@ijuka 3 года назад
Usually you want to level E first as Fizz because when Zed uses Q you can dodge with E and then go into a trade with Zed that you should win because his Q is down, it also pushes the wave and so you should hit lvl 2 first.
@warwicksulista8320
@warwicksulista8320 3 года назад
Most low elo players are really scared of assassins even on lvl 1 It doesnt matter to them if they have lane, cs, lvl and range advantage They are just consistently scared being reminded of a game 4 hours ago where a fed zed killed them with W E Q from full hp
@emilianowiiland
@emilianowiiland 3 года назад
Nice video as always, i dont usually play mid or ranged champions at that but one problem that always happens to me in these kinds of matchups is that i harrass with autos at lvl 1 but the wave just slowpushes to me, as a mage my autos do little damage and minions end up out-trading me once it starts pushing, so what im doing wrong?
@G6GamingSociety
@G6GamingSociety 3 года назад
These were easy to spot out for me but the problem is it's low elo!! One small punish won't lead to winning lane.
@dominokos
@dominokos 3 года назад
This is cool and all but tbh how would I know all these things if I'm a beginner like all the knowledge of the champions?? o.O
@dominokos
@dominokos 3 года назад
Like, are you really telling me you know all these champions by heart? Wtf
@dyleni
@dyleni 3 года назад
*pings Sylas 100 times * still typing LOL Sylas has now gone mad level
@valegu7537
@valegu7537 3 года назад
Please a jungle version of this video Like so they saw this please
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