I appreciate Shawn being an advocate for carnivore but not being culty and admitting that carbs have their place and are beneficial in their place. It’s refreshing. Really enjoyed this conversation.
I mean you know what really sounds like a cult? When people lose their minds as soon as anyone says that keto or carnivore is better than a high carb diet. For health reasons especially. The only thing carbs is equal to keto and carnivore is the anerobic performance. I literally have personal experience of actually getting linear gains again after i started keto a while ago.
@@bdog2200 I was thinking the same thing... when I see people blindly attack keto without knowing anything about it seems more culty than people who say they did keto and it jad positive effects on their body.
62 years old and 2 years on Keto/carnivore. No diabetes and no meds. 95 lbs. fat off for a year.I tested in bodpod and am 12% Body fat with muscle growth and strength is off the rails. Young guys at work say i'm on the stuff as I get a power surge. It works amazing for me, but not so much the wife. Most of the time I eat at sub 15 grams of carbs for the day. I don't count carbs from Non processed meats and/or green vegetables as these through personal testing don't affect my resting Insulin. This will be my lifestyle, but I do cheat no more than once every 2-3 months. No problem with blood glucose elevating by keeping it real and infrequent. blood work quarterly, All in spec including sub 200 cholesterol and a A1c of 47 and doctor loves the result, but not the process. He is changing his attitude as I still improve my body composition. my waist has gone from 41" to 30" with diet, exercise, and stop watching the News and getting upset! Stress Kills! stop watching stupid and work out for those 2 hours a night.
@@soofitnsexy one meal a day 5 Pm at 3000 cals approximately with 2 hours of mainly body weight calisthenics with some sand bags and squats with bar starting on the ground and pressing behind the neck. If I cant press it, I don’t squat it. Keeps the ego in check and joints intact. lots of bands and resistance. backyard 100 yard sprints as I can’t run on pavement without pain. 1 machine involved is GHB machine for core strength. Core strength and flexibility is key. I go for heart rate of 150 and then rest to sub 100 then go again. this is to keep the exercise aerobic and it works well for my age and joints. No Pain allowed except muscle fatigue afterwords. Lots of stretching and always pair up opposite forces "Military press followed by chin-ups. I always try for balance with opposing muscles, full range of motion, load over time, and flexibility . Body looks like a gymnast with wrinkles. cant hide all the age! Have fun and keep moving, this started as a 1 block walk on Jan 10th 2020 as a 1 block walk 2 times a day until I could do more! Just start now and don’t wait!!!
Having done Carnivore for 4 months in 2018 I couldn't keep to the same level while playing water polo. The energy demand was just too great. Now I'm on fruit, sweet potato and meat and find that to be the best for me. All anecdotal of course!
I respect you feel that way, but just my advice. I’ve noticed that too until adding more salt. It was a game changer. People underestimate how much salt to eat while depleting glycogen stores. (You also get most of the glycogen stores back after a month or 2) Also add more fats (butter, oil, etc) when you require to burn more energy if you don’t want to get leaner
@@Zgmflegend Bro, I smashed salt and fat like a king. I got so ripped that my dear mum said that I looked sick. Plus, I feel dope now since doing meat and fruit. Nothing wrong with failure :) onwards and upwards!
I did keto for 6months lost a lot of body fat, but when i introduced carbs back into my diet I lost more fat even faster and my lifts were heavier again.
I'm in my early 60's and enjoy a few carbs from sources such as avocados, olives, tomatoes, chilies, onions, garlic, a few legumes, spinach and cabbage as it makes for a greater variety and flavor profile when cooking meat, fish and egg based dishes. I keep my carb limit to 10% typically less of daily calories. This so far has worked well for me maintaining my body weight and fitness level. I believe each individual has to determine what works for them. One thing I strive for is eating the highest quality meat I can afford such as 100% grassfed beef, lamb, venison, bison, elk and wild boar. Wild caught cold water fish, pasture raised organic eggs, poultry and pork. I'm a firm believer in eating animals that were raised as nature intended and eat the whole animal (skin, fat, organs). With that said I do on occasion enjoy a char grilled prime steak, wagyu steak, low and slow smoked brisket and shortribs. Life is to short not to enjoy your meals as they not only provide nourishment they provide pleasure and are a great way to enjoy social interaction with friends and family.
I do the same, I eat mostly meat, and once in awhile maybe ill have some toast, some fruit, and like you mention, picks, olives, ect. its more to supplement the food.
As a 34 year old male that struggled with motivation and stamina, i took the plunge and basically removed all carbs from my diet, minus some berries and whatever carbs/fibre are in non-starch vegetables... that combined with eating only twice a day (training 2 hours before my first meal at 3pm - last meal at 8pm) i feel amazing and have far more energy, no carb crashes and have put more muscle on in comparison to eating with a carb diet. Not sure if its for everyone but it was certainly for me and i would recommend giving it a go for anyone that hates carb crashes 👍💪
I was horribly lactose intolerant for years. I did carnivore for two weeks straight and I haven't had an issue since. I don't eat carnivore all the time but I like to do it a couple of times a year.
@@KR-jg7gc I was eating salt but only recently started drinking a quarter of tsp w/ water when I wake up. feel better, cognitively, yet to see how I can train well without a few carbs before hand (berries, honey, yogurt)
I started doing keto in 2019 to try to keep my T2 Diabetes in check and I was cery surprised with the results. Within 4 months my A1c went down from 7.5 to 5.2, my triglycerides down from 200+ to just 30, blood pressure went back to normal for the first time, and I lost 60lbs.! Off all my meds, and anxiety is gone. I never looked back after that and stayed on keto. Later that year I just had the urge to run and workout. Now I run marathons, do basic calisthenics, and regularly go on a hundred mile bike rides, stuff I couldn't do even in my early 20s. Keto is the best thing that happened to me.
I would love to see some decent experiments on bodybuilding or powerlifting with carnivore vs what Stan Efferding and most people in that field do. Basically what the maximum performance and muscle size is on carnivore vs carnivore with carbs, basically. It will probably never exist though.
The thing is though all the body building pros are on amounts of gear that would kill a normal person. Powerlifting as well is mostly juiced up, I would rather see a triple blind study done with a vast variety of normal people.
Love listening to guys who have never worked on a study or in a lab showing us what confirmation bias is :) miss layne Norton on topics like this or even Chris Gardner
Speaking in hunter gatherer ancient people terms it makes sense you would have some carbs in the morning before a hunt, berries or whatever is foraged, and then you kill a big animal and cook it for dinner. Carbs before action, meat and protein after and then sleep
Fruit is hard to find in nature. You don't just stumble upon a fruit tree, or honey like most people tend to believe. It was even more difficult to find during the entire Pleistocene Epoch, which is the time period modern humans evolved in.
You will always be limited by the amount of glucose you can produce. Dropping entire macronutrients is a great way to spike cortisol and adrenaline and destroy your gains. Some anomalies can do it for a while. There is a reason why the liver and muscles can store up to 500 grams of sugar and the muscles have their own glycogen stores as well. Muscles use fatty acids at rest and the high octane stuff (sugar) during exercise.
You realize the cortisol, adrenaline increases are only there during adpatation? Since the body is trying to compensate for the new energy deficit since you are unable to burn fat for enough energy. Eventually you can, and cortisol and adrenaline goes down. I've been doing it for years now and im 5'9'' 178 lbs 12%
@@bdog2200 cortisol and adrenaline are always on to some degree. Everyone uses both fats and sugars at the same, whether you are "keto adapted" or not. That's the whole premise of the Randle cycle. Fats and sugars compete for usage within the cell. Furthermore muscles use fats at rest and sugars during exercise. And no one really discusses why cortisol lowers (doesn't drop off) after that supposed "adaption period". Whats actually happening is your body is lowering its overall energy expenditure by turning thyroid production down so that it doesn't have to sacrifice so much of its own tissue from upregeulated cortisol.
There is so many things incorrect about what you just said it's laughable. First off, a high carb diet is much less muscle sparring than a high fat diet. Your body does indeed always burn fat to some degree even on a high carb diet, but your body is so bad at using fat for energy on that diet, that your body is unable to compensate for any kind of energy deficit. Therefore, since your body has used carbs, and can't get enough energy from fat, it goes for protein as a last resort to finally try and meet the energy demands. Guess what does this? Cortisol. Only at the beginning does a high fat diet increase cortisol and adrenaline for this same reason, but once you are fully adapted, your body will quite literally never be in an energy deficit, unless you are voluntarily starving yourself. Since your body is never in an energy deficit, as long as you eat enough protein, it will literally not consume any protein for energy. Also, it takes more energy to extract energy from fat as well, a long with providing more energy per gram than carbohydrate, even when calories are accounted for. Therefore, your body doesn't NEED as much thyroid hormone to work properly. Any questions, or are you just going to lie and say I am incorrect by linking someone biased against keto.
@@TumbleSensei Explain to me why your metabolism increases the first few days of complete fasting if your body is so desperately trying to LOWER metabolism to prevent protein loss. You have literally no idea how to actually understand biology and articulate it in your mind, and your just spouting rhetoric you learned online because you likely are upset that the best type of diet is one that restricts carbs and you are unable to stick to it.
@@TumbleSensei The whole point of carbs in the first place is basically to put your body in "easy mode". Your body barely has to do anything to function while it has carbs to run on, and it has no reason to keep up bodily maintenance.
@@soofitnsexy six eggs and half poof bacon for breakfast. 1 pound of 80/20 hamburger with chopped liver for lunch and a ribeye for dinner. Drinking water and bone broth
I feel so much better on carnivore. I get nervous once in a while due to a lifetime of programming that we need vegetables. Proof is in how I feel, look, preform and bloodwork. 42 is better than 32 even with the injuries I have sustained!
if y ou go carnivore for a while, your body would be able to get the same energy with half the carbs u used to do. I could eat 30 grams of carbs, with a decent amount of sodium and feel like superman.
I love these guys! Super smart, and willing to share and learn from each other. I find that people who don't do as well without carbs haven't given themselves enough time to get completely fat adapted. I have found that it takes different people a different amount of time to get completely fat adapted, but once they do they don't need carbs to train. But I'm watching and learning...
@@xKillZone99, it didn't take me nearly that long to get completely fat adapted. Maybe a couple of weeks. I know it takes some people longer. It's worth it in the long run though. AND, I have plenty of energy to train my very hard workouts fasted and no carbs.
I think Bobby's Perspective put it the best. Carbs will help you get the body building physique, but that physique is not a normal human physique, he understands that it's not a very healthy thing to do to your body but it's still his passion so he eats carbs. With carbs you have a two-fold problem, that is processed carbs and mixing carbs with fats. High processed carb intake has a very high incidence rate of diabetes compared to those without them. Then mixing both carbs and fats together will activate the glucose fatty-acid cycle which will boot out glucose from vital organs into the blood stream where it can cause less cell damage, but will damage you nonetheless--This causes chronic systemic inflammation which leads to damaged arteries and Oxidised LDL that will clog up said damaged arteries. So you have to make the choice between carbs and fats. The Standard American Diet is not necessarily bad because of the ingredients minus a certain few(Seed oils and grains/cereals), it's that it mixes macronutriets, which is not what the human body is evolved to do. The human body should rely solely on animal fats and proteins, and only take in carbs when the fats are unavailable like other hypercarnivores(Wolves and Bears).
Every time I go low/no carb I get weak erections and libido drops. Morning wood is rare. I add carbs back and I’m walking around with a steel pipe that could kill & I can’t keep My hands off my women. Fascinating how diets are so individual for all of us.
Take for example pushups. I can do 20% more on carbs. Maybe if I improve my gluconeogenesis from protein that would change. I don't need to to tons of pushups to get by but there is a stark contrast in muscle output.
I'm still not 100% convinced about the carnivore diet, because I still can't see how you can sustain it long-term, however, I will say that Dr. Baker's comments at the beginning of this podcast about how we have ruined our guts over decades of eating processed crap is right on the mark. At 52 years old, I was diagnosed with Celiac Disease as well as intolerance of milk and certain fruits (apples in particular) because of the damage to my small intestine from 50 + years of abuse. Simply eating whole foods and staying away from breads and other processed carbs has allowed me to reduce my bodyfat by 15% while maintaining by bodyweight of 245, and drastically reduce all the inflammation in my body. For years I suffered debilitating joint pain, muscle spasms on a daily basis, and horrible "brain fog." My biggest difficulty now is trying to rewire my brain to understand that I can survive without the processed crap. I am currently eating 3000 calories a day and have really gotten into powerlifting but I am starved all the time because my carb intake is so low. Anyone have any suggestions????
@@marksmith9175 so what he was big and strong has nothing to prove ! Looks 10 times better then when he was big and i would bet a leg he feels awesome !
I eat a primarily animal-based (and beef-intensive) diet that includes fruit, honey, well-tolerated dairy, and some low-toxicity vegetables, as well as curated herbal medicine. It's helping me manage my hereditary connective tissue disease (hEDS), and all the automimmune, neurological, GI, etc issues (POTS, MCAS, sleep seizures, gastroparesis, IBS, Hashimoto's, chick stuff, etc) it causes. Nearly that whole list is approaching remission or massively improved, which is an enormously big deal. This WOE supports a diligent, high-effort movement practice that includes tons of PT and 'heavy' resistance training, so my hypermobility, propioception, strength, and connective tissue strength have all dramatically improved. My HDL and trigs are enviable, but my LDL is through the roof. Don't care. I've always been small, about this same size since 8th grade. But, at 50, I was metaboliall well, for the first time in my life. Clearly the cholesterol is working for me. #LMHR (Not surprising, perhaps, as the hEDS problem could be among the extracellular matrix, but I digress....) If you or a loved one is part of the hEDS/POTS/MCAS club, please consider this WOE. Or any autoimmune disorder. Or psychiatric. Please at least remove seed and vegetable oils from your life as soon as possible, whoever you are. That alone is enough to change and maybe save your life.
It's like anything your body adapts to. If you are used to Carbs after years of using them your whole life of course you'll feel bad without them but in time your body adapts and if you give it long enough you'll enjoy working out without them and that will become your natural state.
@@KR-jg7gc our ancestors adapted to not having carbs a lot longer then we will with them but to each his own. I'm so sure you've found better results then I have with your body. Lol lol lol
@@coachmellorock the only adaptation to High carbs is diabetes type 2 or 3. Now u wana compare my bdy to yours cos u got big muscles. Lmao Nah fam, that's just ego. I'm talking science. And yes as soon as I went low carb everything changed, inflammation, brain fog, shaking if I I eat for a lengthy of time etc. We can only tolerate a certain amount of carbs (sugar) that's why we develop insulin resistance. There's no such thing as far resistance or protein resistance.
Definitely you can. Most people complain about low energy and 'keto flu' but that's not because of low carbs. That is because your body excretes sodium when insulin is low. What you need to ingest is sodium (specifically pink or sea salt not table salt).
Yep. Yet people are still stuck with the belief that salt is bad. I don't know how sodIUM is so bad urt calcIUM, magnesIUM and potassIUM are soo good for you.
Eat steak and eggs and before you workout put down some honey and fruit. Seems to work well for me and you don't have to deal with the white the rice 6 times a day blood sugar levels and all that unhealthy crap.
I like using carbs around the workouts but otherwise I don't feel like I need them and it tends to make me hold on to water weight /bloat. Anecdotal but this is my experience.
Dr baker looks great and Mark bell look great. They donnt have that bloated stomach like the guy in the vertical shirt. Just my opinion. I'm a woman and don't know shit about training. I'm sure they know what's best for each of them.
I finally remember where the guy in the black shirt is from!!!, he’s from a couple of episodes of Malcom in the middle, he was the dad of the blonde girl Malcom was dating when they were skipping school, and he talks about not learning trigonometry because he was getting shot at in the war lol and he Catches Malcom kissing her in the park
If you go back to the Golden Era of bodybuilding diet, it was basically a carnivore diet for 4 days, and then a carb load on day 5, then back to the carnivore diet. And no one would say Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn't huge. So I do believe it can definitely build good muscle.
@@KR-jg7gc you realize that there's a guy in this video you're listening to who also clearly takes that same stuff right? Doesn't seem to be stopping you from listening to him. =P I don't know why people like you feel the need to shame men for taking steroids. Especially the men of that time period. Steroids were 100% LEGAL back then, you know how they got them? From their doctors!! The only reason steroids became illegal is because the sports industry LOBBIED for them to become so. Meaning this wasn't even a medical decision it was a financial one. But hey, no reasoning with the brainwashed who don't know the history of anything.
Carnivore is horrible if you want to put on size. You won’t lose strength but you lose water weight which sucks. That’s the only reason I went back to carbs otherwise I liked eating steak all day
Eating carbs simply restores muscle glycogen faster so you can go hard again sooner. BUT going hard too often is very bad for you! Eating low or zero carb will regulate when you physically CAN go hard in a much healthier way. Everyone wants to perform their best TODAY or to build more muscle TODAY and it's just not realistic or healthy.
@@soofitnsexy that is probably too simplistic. we already know that the single kidney will eventually adapt and get you to something like 80% functionality of what you had with both kidneys, so it can’t just be half.
Depends on your post gfr, bun, and creatinine to begin with I suppose. Remaining kidney typically enlarges to compensate but I would imagine it depend person to person
I have EXACTLY what Shawn Baker is describing...I think is so messed up currently that it can not absorb GOOD nutrients or anything else. Anything that I throw at it is not making any changes to my body......and it has in the past...any ideas how to fix the gut? Ive started 'no alcohol'....and probiotics but.....nothing has changed. thank you.
I will continue to eat carbs. I don't know why people do that to themselves. The majority stop eating carbs but still chug down liquor and beer like it's water.
Most stupid comment I’ve come across. 1. You respect people regardless of what they look, some guys that don’t look great know their shit better than guys who look jacked. 2. He’s on gear, this doesn’t mean he doesn’t know what he’s talking about (he does), but what you should be aware of what applies to him as a juicer and you as a natty.
u had gullstones from the sad, high carb diet. Your gall bladder wasn't working. Gull helps digest fat. If you don't eat fat your gull bladder retains the fluid and ultimately fluid crystalizes. When you eat more and more fat then the GB starts to wok again bt all it has is the stones not the fluid. The issue is caused by high carb low fat diet. It's like when people spend all their money in December and then Blake January for being broke.
@@KR-jg7gc You eloquently stated the cause. Now fixing it can’t just be done by increasing natural fat all of a sudden. You have to be able to digest it. You have to fast till you no longer have a fatty liver in order to produce the bile flow to your gallbladder. So besides fixing your liver first you can take digestive enzyme supplements with ox bile or tudca to emulsify and digest the fat you eat until your own body is capable of doing it. Just some thoughts.
A lot of it seems to be a calorie thing like Shawn was saying, it’s really hard to get adequate calories for an athlete doing a carnivore diet. Adding carbs for the caloric benefits alone are probably substantial. Pre and post workout carbs only seem to be best for me and I can still do anaerobic style workouts without feeling a huge dip in energy. Same goes for lifting, to be honest though the strongest I have ever been was just eating an absurd amount of protein and really high carbs, kinda felt like shit but got infinitely stronger and workouts/pumps were far better. Trade off I guess depending on your goals, great high level clip as always mark!
people saying they tried keto/carnivore and didnt work for them - eg loss of performance/energy "you did it wrong bro, not enough salt" as if there's some negative aspect to eating carbohydrates for performance and energy improvements which, of course, there isn't
Why do you need to drink milk? I have I boil it to kill of some of the sugar. But I onto even desire it. If I want dairy I eat cheese which I do almst daily with my 4 or 5 jumbo egg breakfast and or with other meals. No problem. So again why do you need to drink milk?
do you move a lot and expend a lot of energy all the time ? If so do high carb. If you are more sedentary and mostly lift, and do cardio here and there carnivore might be more beneficial.
@@mohammada3116 Its not that theres neccesarily benefits to low carb while being sedentary. Its basically the more you move the more your muscles can use the carbs and not store it as fat.
@@mohammada3116 Honestly I wouldnt worry much about these fad diets unless you are in a state of chronic inflammation or over weight. If you already eat carbs and are doing well physically and feel good its unnecesary to hop on these diets.
Baker’s average blood sugar is running in the 100s. My experience is low level low glycemic carbs keeps my blood sugar low and i think its because a low level of whole low glycemic carbs mitigates Gluconeogenesis. Gluconeogenisis keeps average and fasting blood sugars high. Pre diabetes is why i changed diets and if people dont take this into account themselves, they may be setting themselves up for blood sugar issues if they eat zero carbs.
@No name meat/fish/eggs, modest dairy, nuts and seeds, low glycemic vegetables and fruit. Example steak with an avocado and baby green salad with bell, pepperocini, olives, red onion, feta and home made Italian with olive oil snd MCT.
Talking about nutrition without talking about drugs is the equivalent of somebody telling you how they earned their wealth by omitting the inheritance.
Its a question of habit not that hard tbh. Just takes some time getting used to. However i read a studio that when you do it your cortisol goes through the roof (stress response) Which might be the explanation why people start feeling they can workout harder. And this might not be optimal since you're already taxing the system and can end in overwork or atleast longer recovery times.
Very easy, actually. It’s all about how hungry you are. I can go days without food, and fast every day until about 4:00-5:00. How I got here is unknown. I guess it’s because I started skipping breakfast in middle and high school. Then I’d start fasting until 1-2pm because of the schedule change as a result of covid. Then 4-5 because I realized that I didn’t need to eat more than 2 meals a day if I wasn’t hungry. I eat meat regularly (usually at night) and break my fast with carbs because I’m a big runner, and running keeps my insulin really low so that might also have an effect.
should probably talk about his anabolic use too, no one will look like that eating carnivore unless he's eating in a hugeee surplus of calories so idk about all this
Why would a normal human being eat no carbs (which is impossible because even meat has carbs), and every study indicates that performance suffers when carbs get low.
The question is can YOU still perform at a high level with no carbs. The answer is in the question! YOU may perform great on no carbs. Others may perform terrible!
@@soofitnsexy Wishful thinking. Just do a fact check. Dr. Ekberk can also explain how harmful the elevated insulin levels caused by high level of carbs are.
@@taomahNEGEV In case if you haven't noticed nearly all civilizations before modern times but within the last 10,000 years or so primarily relied on high carbs in the form of fruits, grains and vegetables for nutrition but yet somehow diabetes is a new pandemic. People all around the world eat carbs and always have and most of them are skinny when you exclude the US pretty much which also has the lowest carb percentage of calories comsumed in the world. (You can look up average micronutrient consumption by country)
@@taomahNEGEV You also have to consider what other species our family consume (Our closest relatives are the chimps and bonobos) and they along with every other ape and nearly every other primate animal(Except tarsier which are more genetically similar to rodents than apes) are far from being carnivorous and are highly attracted to fruit, which means they consume plenty of carbs.
