Canceling | ContraPoints 

ContraPoints is now a drama channel.

When a series gets cancelled and comes back as a movie

"the people who cheer at your execution are the same people who cheered at your coronation. People just love a show." Can't remember who said that, but I feel like it sums up 'cancelling'

Broke: Die Hard is a Christmas movie Woke: In Bruges is a Christmas movie Bespoke: Contrapoints's 2019 feature length video on cancelling is a Christmas movie

The fact that Abigail was trans all along yet was being accused of being transphobic for not cancelling another trans woman puts all of this in perspective.

How to Beat the System as ContraPoints: 1. Draft a RU-vid video essay 2. Buy a month’s supply of liquor 3. Film yourself drinking from every bottle 4. Edit and release the video 5. Write off booze as work expenses on your taxes 6. Slay

“The Last of the Old School Transexuals” is lowkey the most underrated Star Wars movie

In retrospect, misgendering and deadnaming someone online cause you think they're transphobic is truly batshit wild

on dualism and essentialism: it's curious how a single "bad" action can make a "good" person "bad", but a single "good" action cannot make a "bad" person "good".

"This is not really the most feminine moment for me" *chugging alcohol alone while wearing a sweater in front of a pile of trash* I dunno, seems pretty feminine to me, yo.

Local woman literally too angry to die

The fact that both James Charles and Buck Angel got worse after this date and the video still holds up this well is remarkable.

Back in 2015, I had a fairly popular blog. I wrote stupid porn scenarios and poetry and for SOME god awful reason this caused teens to reach out to me about their problems. And the issue was that I cared. I cared a LOT about protecting these kids. If anyone came to me in crisis, I would give them steps to make a burner skype account and try to help - sometimes this involved teaching them how to find local health resources, work through scary social issues, or just talk about whatever they wanted until 6am and they safely got through the night - then I'd immediately head out to work at my shitty cafe job directly afterwards. I like to think I saved a lot of kids. I can't count how many times one of these kids would reach out later and say something like "it's been six months since we talked. I'm still here." Or "things DID get better. I almost didn't get to see it." I only ever "lost" one kid. She was a stranger from scottland who reached out to me on my personal skype. She was the first kid to ask for a video call, and I obliged. The way she was typing made me nervous. She was already overdosed and dying in front of me. I stayed calm and talked with her while my boyfriend furiously researched in the background how we contact poison control in Scotland - hell, how we could even send help to the right place. She didn't cooperate. She was committed. The last thing she said was "I'm glad I don't have to die alone. I'm glad you were nice." It damn-near broke me. So now, DRAMA. This one lady (she was twenty six, I was twenty one. Idk) was pretty vocal about her disdain for my "self-righteous goody-two-shoes fakeness" or whatever. She heard from someone about my literal, current truama of watching a child die and then .. used it. She started a rumor that I purposely talked that girl into committing suicide. That rumor spread into this concept that I'd done this MANY times. People who I previously helped were now going "oh my god that could have been me I was one of the lucky ones" Once the DOXing and death threats started, I deleted everything. Just went totally nuclear. Maybe that looks like an admission of guilt, but at the time I feared that maybe what I was doing was well and truly dangerous to these kids, and it was the only responsible thing to do. Haven't really done anything online since. Best decision of my life to delete my blog and all my social media, though. Massive detox I tell yeah

2016: Quick 15 min breakdown of a nazi propaganda 2020: Contrapoints: Cancelling - The Motion Picture

I hate this. I want Contrapoints to explain to me what socrates thinks about top surgery or whatever but y'all broke her. Look at her. She's not even wearing a cut crease. How am I supposed to understand philosophy when I can see her natural eyelids. Ruined a perfectly good philosopher is what y'all did.

As a almost boomer. You have shined. You have taught me about trans individuals. Fuck the haters. You are killing it lady. Keep up the good work.

It’s scary how similar cancelling is to bullying. I was bullied and ostracised a lot in school because I was on the spectrum (although no one knew at the time), and a lot of what you said in this video hit home to me. I’d be fairly well-liked, then I’d make a slip-up and immediately be seen as the enemy. I was then seen as an evil pyschopath, and any attempt at apology, niceness or learning whatever social rule I’d broken got twisted into evidence of my manipulativeness. It’s a viscious cycle, that in my earnest attempts to rectify whatever wrongdoings I had supposedly done ended with my mental health being so badly damaged I became the sterotypical “I’m sorry you probably hate me” suicidal person - i.e the poster child for “evil manipulative people”. Nobody wins. All I ever wanted was someone to take me aside and gently explain where I went wrong.

She opened the bottle using the lesbian solution. Foreshadowing

Twitter: you are dead to us! Contrapoints: news of my death has been greatly exaggerated

I can’t believe I used to be friends with people who were actually like this in real life. Someone literally called me an “abuse apologist” for saying that a 16 year old having normal conversations with a 12 year old isn’t grooming.

I know this is 2 yrs old so you prob will never see it, but I'm a bit drunk so I'll say your "transtrenders" video genuinely helped me break out of some very bad mindsets i had about trans people. I was going through my "problematic internalized homophobia" phase (I wasn't fully out to everyone yet). I'd had some bad influences and tried to separate myself from queer culture as a part of some weird defense mechanism, and that video helped me work through those ideas and see why i was being hurtful and I'm thankful for that experience.

“I intend to live as long as possible out of pure spite” now THERE’S a 2020 mood

Broke: selling bath water Woke: selling the bathtub

I've watched this a few times and it's so bizarre that these are Natalie's 'gotcha-secret-terrible-person' tweets. Like maybe they're tonally blunt or not worded with the care of someone defusing a bomb, but to find anything problematic in pretty much all of them you have to apply the most unhinged bad faith interpretations possible.

As a “generation Jones” boomer, I had to deal with 2nd wave feminism. I joined a feminist art group, because I felt I belonged, until I heard them trashing their mothers for working as secretaries. This was in the late 70s, and women still didn;’t have much of a choice career-wise. I finally realized that feminism as it was at that time benefitted primarily middle to upper class white women. I stood up to them and their cluelessness, and was shunned by most. As an artist, it did affect the support I received from the feminist art community. The difference was that I was trashed in the analog world. But I think it consistently affects my ability to exhibit, when I call out the TERFs in the art community. Oh fucking well

We treat minor transgressions from our allies more harshly than open hostility from our enemies. We have to do and be better about this.

“No one thinks I’m cute” You’re allowed to be wrong, queen.

"contrapoints more like disappoints" kills me every time.

Between this and Lindsay Ellis' video it seems super hard to be female online while also being on the forefront of Twitter. Love this channel!

Alternate title: Twitter Was A Mistake | ContraPoints

I have to say that "Tati Westbrook" sounds pretty much like one of ContraPoints alter ego characters.

I am not even a content creator, but I am beginning to wonder if the social anxiety I experience, actually relates to seeing people getting canceled like this. I am doing the essentialism thing to myself - if I make a mistake I have come to believe that I am a flawed and bad person because of it. Because that is how I see other people react on mistakes made by celebrities. I think it is important that we reconsider what effect cancelling has on the psyche of ordinary people as well, and that doesn't mean that we should stop holding anyone accountable, but perhaps we need to figure out a better and healthier way, not just for celebrities sake but for our own sake as well.

As a non-binary person, I am grateful for your content.

Natalie doesn’t sell bathwater: she gives away the whole goddamn tub

I can't believe Natalie just canceled cancel culture, truly transconic

Honestly the fact that people immediately heard about an openly gay person doing something wrong and immediately labeled him as a sexual predator is pretty fucking gross, especially when there was no evidence provided from the accuser, who made it blatantly obvious that they had something to gain from sullying his name

As someone with a history of mental health and Scde struggles it both baffled and frightens me that anyone could see canceling behavior and not see s**c*de as the natural end result. That has always terrified me

Jeffree Starr calling James Charles a ‘danger to society’ was the funniest moment of 2019 without a doubt

Side note: I don't think I've ever seen someone look so glamorous drinking a 40 in a pile of garbage.

I'm nonbinary and you HELPED ME GET HERE!!! I was so worried like "What if I transition to nonbinary and then REALISE I'M ACTUALLY BINARY TRANS" Total, TOTAL disaster, I told everyone the wrong pronouns, I dressed the wrong way, I made a total fool of myself!!! Travesty. And then I watched a video by TheHealthyGamerGG in which you told Dr K about your transition process of thinking you were nonbinary on the way to realising you are a woman. And this totally fucking calmed me down. You helped me realise that I could just... change things later if I did them wrong. There's no pressure. My trans journey is mine and it's nobody else's fucking business. And stubborn cis people may hate on me for it. And stubborn trans people may also say that I "think that nonbinary is just a phase on the way to becoming binary trans!!!" But I'll know otherwise. I can deal with the hate. I don't owe any of those people anything. And in turn, that idea led to me realising that I don't owe anyone androgyny either, or femininity, or using the "correct pronouns", even that the only type of "correctness" associated with pronouns is whether they help expressing oneself in the way one wishes to express oneself. In other words, Natalie, coming across your content for the first time was pivotal in my questioning and helped lead me to being the bad bitch nonbinary they/she SJW I am today! (I don't do a lot of activism yet and I am definitely not a bad bitch - I am working on both of these tho lol, also on becoming one of Ryan's transgender furry anarchist friends in antifa ;3) And in the year since then that I have been slowly eating my way through your past videos, I have never felt like you hold any judgement or contempt against nonbinary people. I have always felt accepted and understood. I love you ContraPoints. Seriously. These people should actually watch your videos before making snap judgements about you.

Non-binary checking in from 2024 - I honestly avoided your content for awhile after this all went down. I hadn’t seen anything of yours before and it’s not that I believe everything on the internet, on the contrary - I just tend to avoid things that elicits that sort of drama. When I did come across your RU-vid, I think I *vaguely* remembered that something happened but couldn’t even tell you what it was. Google doesn’t even turn up much anymore. I went in with a little skepticism just to make sure we were on the same wavelength as far as values and didn’t see a single thing of concern. I actually really love your perspectives on things, and think you hit the nail on the head with this vid 🙂

How to trick straight men into thinking theyre gay? Meth and tigers

I don't have a Twitter account, so everytime I go on it says "Join the fun". It doesn't look like fun over there.

four years later and this video still brings me so much... comfort? relief? validation? i've been cancelled (albeit on a much smaller scale) myself a few times, and one of them resulted in a suicide attempt. but natalie lists out exactly what i experienced and breaks it down in a way that brings me to tears. like, YES! that's it, that's what it is! i'm very grateful that, even in her own pain, natalie created this analysis of this phenomenon.

thank you. my friend laura was the victim of a bullying campaign and killed herself. it really opened my eyes on the messed up things that can happen in big facebook groups, etc.

This is honestly the most rewarding parasocial relationship I have ever been in

Me after seeing the title and the length of this video: oh shit, we’re going there. Buckle up kiddies

If you try to ruin someone because they have a minor philosophical difference with you, it's a pretty good indication that you aren't a good person.

I’m coming here in 2024 as I watch through your videos in reverse order after first meeting you in the triumph that is your Twilight video. It’s so strange to listen to things that were released right before the pandemic. However hard a time you were having before I’m sure Covid didn’t help. I just wanted to say that this video and all of your videos are exceptional, and they have all delighted and informed me even when (as with this one) the subject matter has been heavy. I’m so glad you made it through. Come to think of it I’m glad I made it through too. Here’s to living on, through sheer spite if necessary. Cheers. I am eager to see what you do next.

"Not really my 2020 vibe" What could possibly be MORE 2020 than binging alone on alcohol, surrounded by piles of garbage?

Was it FDR who said, "The only thing we should Cancel, is Canceling itself, gorge!"

As far as I'm concerned this is a Christmas movie.

you have done more to educate the cis community about trans and gender issues than any single person I can think of.

The next time you get cancelled & you’re feeling low, just remember- For every person at your digital door with a pitchfork, there are 10 people who don’t have Twitter or tumblr and don’t participate in the mob mentality, but they eagerly count the days until you gift us with your next work of art. Your videos sincerely bring me joy. Thank you for making them!

Can we start calling this the “ContraPoints Christmas Special?” Like time to start a new holiday tradition

Drinking a 40 while surrounded by trash,and old McDonald's I found my new favorite influencer

Hearding Abigail's deadname, and you refer to her as cis hit me like a truck in this. The beauty of time ✨ Thank you for your incredible nuance as always, great video

2019 Twitter really is 2014 tumblr huh 🤢🤮

“But I don’t think it feels like abuse to the people who are doing it”. If you find yourself confused about which side to take, just think about how hard Natalie is working to understand people who would never give her the same consideration. Beneath all the flash and glamour is a genuinely kind and thoughtful person who has time after time shown a saintly patience towards the wrong headed and misinformed and has demonstrated a stunning and humbling willingness to put herself in painful or vulnerable positions to help us all understand one another better. We are, all of us richer for her being here.

i’m a pretty new fan so obviously experiencing/learning about all of this years after it actually happened lol, but i love how natalie handles topics, even ones as close and personal as this, with so much nuance (and humour). this really helped me see “cancel culture” in a more complex light, as someone who’s always been very “cancel culture doesn’t exist it’s just the concequences for your actions sweaty🙄”

I've rewatched this a few times and every single time, when we get to reading out the Natalie hate-tweets I can feel my blood begin to boil at the arrogance of people saying these things on behalf of all non-binary people. Like, screw you, you don't speak for me. Don't put your words in my mouth. Stick to yourself. "Every cis & not-nonbinary person who thought Natalie Wynn wasn't transmed now owes me & every nonbinary person $50." Keep your money.

Rewatching this as a black woman, I find myself so disappointed in what the term cancelling has come to mean. I was so in support of this movement way back when we were calling for justice for the victims of Kelly and Cosby. Now all I see are Twitter mobs starting witch hunts.

Its super frustrating that there are people on Twitter already commenting how they refuse to watch this video in its entirety.

This video has aged extremely well. Fuck the haters Natalie. You’re the most creative, thoughtful (and yes, hilarious) content creator I’ve ever subscribed to, and I hope you keep going forever.

Hey, Contrapoints! I know this video has its years but I want to tell you thank you, thank you a lot for making a video about this issue. I was cancelled by a small online community that I kinda used as a support to get on with things in my life. It was a really scarring experience, and while I know that my understanding of today's world issues was a little insensitive at the time, I felt the punishment for my actions was way too harsh. I feel validated, respected and learned a lot by watching this video after spending years on a limbo reflecting over everything. You have helped in my healing journey. You are a gem!

next time on contrapoints: Natalie appologizes to Denmark after a month of angry tweets in a language nobody understands.

Natalie has thus proved she has more integrity, wisdom and courage than her detractors could hope for.

I came here to admit that I, too have tried to trick straight men into thinking they’re gay. And I’d do it again.

Bit late to the party here, but I've just watched your video, and holy crap, I am 100% with you on this. I am not trans myself, but I know for a fact, based on what I have heard from MANY trans people I've either known personally, or watched on RU-vid, that once they have finished the transition process, or actually, even before that, most trans people just want to live their lives and get on with things. They don't want to constantly talk about being trans, they don't want gender brought up at every opportunity by people, they just want to live lol. They're like, "I'm a man/woman, people accept me as such, and that's that. Being trans does not define my entire being". So I absolutely know where you were coming from, when you were upset at the need for pronoun circles potentially leading to you being misgendered

Natalie is the only person powerful enough to un-cancel herself. Watching Twitter desperately try to defend their bullshit after this video came out was so vindicating.

I’m non-binary and I was a $25 a month donor. I want you to know I didn’t stop because of anything you said, but because I was and am broke AF. ❤️

I don't mean to minimise but the whole twitter ecosphere seems so... high-school? Yes the topics involved are much more important and (in theory) the arguments people are making are more mature, or at least they're made-out to be, but the actual politics of it all is just high-school bullying. I've never used twitter and I'm so glad of it having heard yours and other people's experiences on the platform.

The sad part is that Buck Angel keeps getting worse and worse about trans issues and non-binary people. He advocated against helping transgender children and made videos with people who equated that to child abuse. He also had some tweets accusing non-binary people of attacking him while himself being very dismissive about their identity. After that video I felt that he might not be as bad and that maybe he will learn, but no, he's actively getting worse. Of course Natalie could not have predicted that, but it's still sad.

"Nobody thinks Im cute." That´s a filthy lie and you know it.

As a half-dane, I condone you being bigoted against us. We're the worst.

A person who works hard to do good & unintentionally made a mistake & then refuses to hurt someone else the way she's been hurt is so much different than someone actively agreeing with or endorsing someone else's wrongs.

Natalie drinking a 40 in a bathtub is VERY 2020 in hindsight

“I honestly think that most of the James charles is a sexual predator crowd just wanted to bring him down a peg” cut to Shane Dawson saying James needed a slice of humble pie. The foreshadowing

How dare they cancel my biological mother. I. Am. Outraged.

jesus the reading of all those hate tweets made me feel awful secondhand. people are so repulsively vitriolic over literally nothing while actual horrible shit with horrible intent goes on

"if I was a persuasive genius, maybe I could talk myself out of being cancelled" - natalie, talking herself out of being cancelled

God, it’s like the whole internet’s a high school, and we’re all 16 again.

Sometimes I'm genuinely shook by how much Contrapoints has influenced my thinking and writing. I just shot a video today about bullying and some strategies I have to work your way out of a bad situation, and this video, while certainly not THE inspiration, did place a few essential threads that show up in my work. Thank you, Contra, for all that you do and all that you so generously share with us.

Contra: gives a great explanation and defense of her unjust cancelation and being a mature person Lily Orchard: what a pity part

0:40 Natalie: it's not really my 2020 vibe narrator voice: actually, it was. it was everyone's 2020 vibe

I heard more than one person on my daily life say "i hope x person does something bad so they get cancelled" because they didnt like them. This times are getting scary.

So happy to have found you! I welcome this discussion so much from marginalised people. As a black woman, I often find the things I’m being told to be offended and angry about by my own community online don’t always sit right but most of the voices calling out the extremism in a lot of online righteousness are right wing white men who have an agender verrrry far from just getting to the truth of a situation. This video is amazing and thank you for explaining the makeup RU-vidrs to my ageing ass 🤣

”The point is that sometimes people who seem ignorant or hateful just need to be given a non-judgmental space to learn and grow and think.” Given that space, I would've left the Nazi outfit I was a part of for years much sooner. Thank you for pointing this out. This means a lot. You have a cool channel and I dig it!

As an 18-year-old boomer, I appreciate Natalie explaining internet culture to me.

I truly love the line: "I won't give them the satisfaction of comitting suicide. I will survive out of sheer spite!" This might save my life someday, because the only thing that's stronger than my selfloathing and selfdoubt is my hatred towards idiots and my burning urge of revenge. Might be a dark way of thinking but darkness is an old friend. Thank you very much, Natalie.

I had a date like a month ago with a cute lil trans shawty, and 😢😂 she canceled the date because i said i liked contrapoints. ❤ girl just keep going you cool af

Watching this in 2024 now that Buck has totally gone off the deep end

Turns out drinking liquor straight from the bottle WAS the 2020 vibe

It was really unnerving when someone in a friend group of mine started a statement with "I know we're not supposed to like contrapoints anymore...", like, you don't have to like someone because someone else told you you couldn't

As one of the elders, I appreciate the details of the events happening outside my lawn. (and I hope things got better, you and your content are amazing)

I was made aware of this video through my NONBINARY sibling while we were having a deep talk about Twitter and cancel culture and purity culture and essentialism and they literally brough up your video, said, "This is such a great, succinct way of looking at the Twitter Problem TM." and they also recommended me your channel in general, which I'm very glad they did. This video was entertaining and thought provoking and so, so much more articulate than I am about these issues. Thank you for making this, and I agree with you. (PS, you gained a new subscriber. It doesnt make up for all the unsubs, but I'm glad to be a part of the community you have curated as well as the trans community)

"Sometimes, just talking to someone with some patience and understanding is all it takes" - Natalie This sentiment is what brought me to your channel in the first place, why I have been coming back for years, why you have made such a difference in my understanding of so many subjects, and why I recommend you to all of my friends and partners.

"There's a lot of people on the internet who would be *very* entertained if I killed myself -- and i just refuse to give them the satisfaction" somehow, same

1:34:26 yes, please don't. You dont know me, but your videos have helped me immensely, and quite likely even saved my life. Even though im cis (Im 23, and im a femme lesbian and mildly autistic), i endlessly relate to you, even the dysphoria about gender to a large degree (i dont feel woman enough, et cetera). Imagining for a second that you are gone forever would uniroically feel like losing a close friend and this great sadness came over me for a moment imagining it. [i apologise if this makes you uncomfortable btw, im very aware of and careful when it comes to parasociality, but you cant prevent this aspect of it]. Just. Thank you for existing.

i have so much respect for Contra and i'm extremely grateful for discovering her channel. her videos really help me consider and understand different perspectives that i previously wouldn't have even thought of or brushed aside out of the cruelty and hatred projected by some people and in general, make me want to be a more reasonable and empathetic person. so much love for her.