Canoe Capsize: taking a swim while paddling with my daughter. A rather silly swim with analysis 

I thought that folks would appreciate video of me swimming! 😆 Maya did so well

She does well. But she was not impressed with her dad on this occasion

Yep she’s a smart kid.

Exactly!

It is a great treasure paddling with Maya. Off to Canada with her this summer

That is awesome! Yep canoes and family do well together.

@@RayGoodwinCanoe That's what I thought! A great way to keep it interesting for me and the less experienced family. Last week I actually paddled about 80 miles of the Wye, getting reaquanted! Boughrood to Symonds Yat! One overnighter (Boughrood to Hereford) and the remainder in day trips.

Hey mate you might like my son's channel, AdBENture Life we've recorded a couple of canoe adventures, so hope that inspires you when your daughter gets a little older.

@@RiverRatJimmy cheers Andy, I'll take a look. 😃

Hi Andy, I have tried to find your son's channel but failed so far. Is the name correct?

Very welcome. I will try not to make too many mistakes to show you though.

@@RayGoodwinCanoe I try too, but the bigger the audience ....

@@chaswarren7239 Yep the audience does appear to like any 'Ray' mistake. Ah well.

Glad you enjoyed it! Yep I thought Maya's perspective and analysis was spot on.

Well done Ava! Yep it is proud parent thing when it all ends up in the water and they get all those years of training/explanation right.

I will pass on the thanks😂

I am just hoping the gap between swims increases with age.

Good idea Wolf. I remember you and you were very good. Your dad Tim was ok too

Hi Wolf, yep that bit of 'being a little afraid', is quite normal. I have wondered for a long time how Maya would be when it happened for real and in the event she did well. I am sure you will be good as well when it happens. Keep well, kind regards, Ray

🤣 Oh dear I have been well and truly rumbled.

Yep I am almost always much clearer but sometimes it goes wrong. It only highlights what is the correct method.

Glad you think so. Thanks

We all take swims it is just a case of being prepared and having a plan. Yep I thought it would be good to see me swimming😁

A silly mistake that but it was so good seeing all the safety stuff kick into place with Maya. I was so proud of her.

Yep absolutely right on the psychology of avoiding negative commands and generally I will avoid that. But the main problem was it was very noisy and so Maya couldn't hear clearly but even then still a mistake. Yep she did very well in the water. So proud of her. In my kayaking days I have been in some very big hydraulics! I have seen big ones that were keepers. But good comments and thank you.

Yep I think you are right there on the drag. I have surfed some big waves in my time and for this I was just too casual.

Absolutely. Yep it was a good reminder on communication.

My pleasure!

Glad to oblige with the dip. Quite a few folk appreciated that. And yep dad's fault and Maya did good. Cheers

Awesome, thank you! It is fantastic out there on the Drome. Sun, clear water and not too cold if you go swimming.

A stupid mistake on my part but I did think folk would appreciate the ideas. Many thanks for commenting

Glad it was helpful! Yep Maya dun good.

It was an easy enough place to sort out. Yep Maya's review was spot on. Thank you

My paddle was on the wrong side for a low brace: no stroke was going to save us on the upstream side. the gunwale grab was a last futile attempt to keep that side down. All explained in the video. Yep to the low brace in the bow but it was too much for my 11 year old. Very little I could do with my paddle on the upstream side.

Absolutely correct.

Fortunately it wasn’t my head investigating the geology. Mind I have done that in the past and scarred a helmet, mind that was my kayaking days

Very true! I was just too relaxed.

Yep it all happens very quickly.

Thank you so much. I will sit Maya down and make her drink them.

I will pass that onto her. Not sure she will agree on the parents but she is 12 years old and practising to become a teenager.

@@RayGoodwinCanoe you should be thankful she is still canoeing with you, our teen decided at 12 that boats were boring.

@@akcarlos I think Maya is not far off that decision. We are now under pressure to have 'normal' holidays.

Made sure that Maya knew I was going to ask her to stop paddling. That way the bow would have stayed clear of the water upstream of the wave.

Even being wet, it was.

Glad you enjoyed it. Yep definitely my fault. I was really proud of Maya, she did so well sorting kit from the swim.

She still reminds me of my error! Ah well.

It was quite easy here. Because of the ledge and wave the current was quite reasonable downstream. I swam to the upstream end of the the canoe and started swimming that to the shore, current hitting side then helps take the canoe there. Once I was in slow water I could risk putting my feet down and work to the bank. Pretty straightforward on this occasion. Maya did well in collecting loose kit allowing me to get the boat.

A few years back and I might have been doing that cross deck draw. Sadly the body is getting a little slower and it never happened. Cheers

@@RayGoodwinCanoe if you need help on strokes, I can recommend a good book and some vids to watch.

@@MrMjt888 Very bloody helpful 🤣🤣🤣

Yep I am think STOP would be fine along with a better briefing before we went onto the wave. I was far too casual as it was such a small feature. Maya was not impressed

Yep tone of voice often tells it all.😁

The paddle was on the upstream side for the turn back into a surf, totally normal. It was out of the water before the flip. See my video on surfing a canoe or even the inset footage to see that in action. The intention was not to pull out of the eddy but to surf the wave. Problem was Maya pulled the bow into the oncoming water upstream of wave due to my miscommunication. Yep a harder lean would have probably allowed us to get away with it. Many thanks, The Old Man

Now that would have made it a classic

Yep Maya has been sorting me out on the communication front. Normally something that I am very good at but failed here. Yep simple is best.

@@RayGoodwinCanoe I'm surprised that this is not in a canoe manual someplace already.

@@FrankLadd I might have to have a look at my own book 'Canoeing' and if its not already there then a little amendment for the next print run. I will have to see what detail is already in there.

@@FrankLadd 😅 I am now going to have to check what I said in my own book! Maybe a little amendment

Absolutely

The canoe was already going over. Nothing I could do on the right would have saved us. So throwing my weight to the left was the last chance. I would never have got the paddle there quick enough. So a gunwale grab is acceptable in that last resort situation, a last attempt. Mind at 70 I am coming to the end of running some of the bigger stuff. Did make me chuckle with the skim milk comment: tell her to stir it hard and fast to add a bit of excitement. Keep well.

It is fantastic.

A brace/support would not have worked on the upstream side, trust me on that. If I had been paddling on the left a brace, on the left, would have enabled me to put more weight on that side. I am very used to side surfing far bigger waves than this and that would have worked. By the time we did the grab it was too late and the canoe was going over, it is the water flowing under the canoe that causes the capsize not the grab. The issue was committing to the surf with the paddle on the right, that move failing because of the communication error on my part. We then needed to edge/lean the canoe to the left but without my paddle on that side I couldn't commit as much weight as I should (Maya doesn't understand this process so it was down to me. If you have a look at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CyA_-Ifn5ws.html (How to surf a wave) From 4.40 you can see me using a brace on a far far more powerful wave and on the downstream side. Hope that explains more.

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Sorry after watching your other video I don't agree with you. I think a brace on the upstream would work better than grabbing left side of canoe.

@@paulmphoto The grab was only after the canoe was going to capsize anyway. A brace does not work on the upstream side. But that is from 40 years of earning my living teaching this stuff, it is how I earn my living. The mistake was a very simple one and very few folk have ever seen me swim (a very rare event) so I thought it would be interesting and instructive for folk. But you are most welcome to disagree. But thanks for watching and commenting, we will just have to disagree.

@@RayGoodwinCanoe Thanks for video and response. The longer I live the more misconceptions I find I have. Taking children on the water is one of the best things in life!

I absolutely love tandem paddling and myself and Lina were out there to run tandem classes. But sometimes you make a mistake that highlights what you are doing right the rest of the time. 😁 Anyway it was my daughter's first real swim, not a practise, so it proved valuable. It is always instructive when the coach makes an error particularly if it ends up being wet.

I like that.

Yep every day is a learning day but fortunately not normally so wet.

It is always nice to see someone else's mistake. Saves a lot of swimming. And yep it was my comms skills😁

Not on the upstream side it wouldn’t. And that was the side I had my paddle.

situation normal 😅

😂 I will try and make sure she doesn't see this! I have had enough grief😂