Excellent comparison, thank you. The Canon 70D and 80D with the 18-135mm lens were just $100 apart on Amazon ($1199 vs $1299). I just got the last one at this pricing, so the 80D just shot up to $1399. I was ready to get the 70D due to Casey Neitstat's bad experience with the 80D, but I figured that's because he got an early model so by now all the bugs should be fixed. Thanks to this review and some of the other glowing reviews I spent the extra $100 and got the 80D!
I loved your video and it is so helpful. May I add a side note? Please don't think I am a fanboy. I agree with everything but you said the camera lack of some stuffs that other brands has. Do you really think that customers need it? I mean how many people watch stuff on 4K. It is so expensive for the viewer and also to have a machine to edit. C-log makes our life better but we can just film in cinestyle and add a lut. For the rest, regular costumers wont need need them like the c-log and if you are an expert, you will know sufficiently to not blow a highlight for example. Back to my question, people really don't need it. It is just my opinion, sorry if I sound disrespectful.
+Alexandre Brum Really good points. Our next video that comes out on Tuesday is about whether you should shoot in 4K yet or not, so I'll hold off on that. The other features (focus peaking, zebras, shooting in log) are all features that I've come to expect out of a camera and it isn't that I can't film without them, but rather that I can film better and quicker with them. You know something is in focus. You know your exposure is set properly. You know you can apply a LUT quickly to an actual log profile made by the manufacturer to get the most out of a camera (vs. a cinestyle hack). Are they necessary? No. Should they be features in a video camera at this price point? I think so.
Caleb Wojcik Agree with you. Very interesting points. They should change or will be like Nintendo very distant from reality. I will stay tuned and we will discuss more when your video will be released.
+Alexandre Brum Hi, 4k is an interesting point of argument because it is absolutely useless and yet it is also useful. Some thoughts that should be kept in mind about 4K -4k for viewing is mostly useless because the resolution is higher than the human eye can resolve in normal circumstances (www.dr-lex.be/info-stuff/ultrahighdef.html. The relative resolution would be higher than on a apple retina screen smartphone if the content is watched in a living room on a typical 40-60" TV -4k might be useful for recording, post processing and downscaling to 1080p as the lost by processing can be reduced -4k requires too high data streams for being streaming on the Internet and are very demanding on SD cards. This is a bit more complected as obviously 4k recording is even offered by some smartphones. First, consider the bit-rate of a 1080p24 Bluray, which is in the order of 4.5 Mb/s. A camera is not able to compress as efficiently as the processing power is limited and furthermore the camera cannot run a two-pass encoding procedure, as it needs to record live. So the camera will require a larger bit-rate. Currently canon records at at 5.5 Mb/s for 1080/25p. For 4k-the bit-rate would quadruple and if you want 60p - which does make a difference, the rate would approximately double again. so we are talking of approximately 20-40Mb/s. An hour video would be 72-144 Gb. The fast SD cards available are just capable of recoding at that speed. So it would be possible to realize 4k recording in Canon DSLR. However, if you look closely at your videos at 1080p with non-still subjects, you will see compression artifacts at the pixel level. So it would be more reasonable to increase the bit-rate of 1080p30/60 instead of bumping the resolution. As the compression will kill the advantage of the gained resolution. Finally, the 4k-stuff is supposed to be streamed via RU-vid. Most people do not have a line offering more than 50Mbit/s (about 6 Mb/s just capable of streaming bluray quality 1080p24). In fact most people must probably live with 10-20Mbit/s. And many of use are sharing that line with their family. Hence, currently you cannon transfer 20-40Mb/s it is more int he order of 1/10 - and that is still very demanding for many internet connections. Hence, youtube and Co. are compressing the 4k-stuff a lot giving you probably no advantage over 1080p - if it was streamed at the same bitrate. So I must admit, that proving all of this is not straight forward and my explanation/language is not the best. But just think about the math. In short I would say 4k is the new 3D in home video - it would not expect wide adaption. In other words, for most people (those who do not by dedicated cameras for >$1000 or top of the line smartphones) will not care for 4k. They take it if available but will not make it a criteria for choice. In my eyes canon would be much better of by offering higher color depth (beyond 8bit/pixel) for HDR higher frame rates for better slow-mo (why not 120p or 240p). In very short and provoking; 4k is a marketing hype in consumer graded products including DSLRs and does not give you any better video results. So my two cents as a long time canon user (to avoid fan-boy :-)). I use the canon mirror less eos-m (alongside my good old 50D with magnesium alloy body and not that modern plastic stuff ;-)). And I would like higher bit-rates on my videos instead of higher resolution. However, here - and hopefully at your place too - it is a free country and you can like/buy/require whatever you like. But math does not lie and I can only encourage everybody really think about the math behind for 4k recording ;-). best regards to all PS: I have never had a high-end Sony camera, but I do believe people that it is better suited for video as this is not the strong point of the Canon DSLR. But I don't think that 4k is the center stone of Sony's success in especially the video capabilities of its cameras. PPS: Nice video. Your comparison is solid and informative for people trying to compare the specs of the cameras. I like it, as it is quite neutral and leave the choice to the viewer with good arguments .
+Alexandre Brum you don't buy a expensive camera to use one or two year. You buy for a long time, and you can be sure 4K will very soon become one of those things you don't understand how you lived without it ; - )
I have both the 80d and 70d. Have used the 70d for several years and have always loved its color profile and accurate exposure. A couple of things I've noticed about the 80d ... it slightly overexposes, by about 2/3 to 1 stop. Also, the color profile for the 80D is different. It seems to have a more neutral look that lacks the typical stronger red saturation of Canon bodies that we have all been familiar with. Personally, I prefer the default color profile of the 70d. Beautiful in my opinion, no adjustments needed . For these two reasons I'm still on the fence about whether I want to keep the 80d or get another 70d as a backup.
The 1080p offered here is not one and the same compared to past cameras. They now offer more bitrate options along with full 1080p slow motion. I could honestly care less about 4K, I know a lot of people are saying that's the deal breaker in this case, but I have very little interest in bogging down my workflow with excessive resolution. 4K is not a good selling point for me. Improved dynamic range is. Canon giving some expanded video options is what I'm really excited about, including finally including a headphone jack. I will be excited about 4K once the average consumer can actually view and appreciate it at full quality, but most of my stuff is viewed on mobile and the web. For now, I'm happy with having higher bitrate video and more options to work with.
70D had a *Continuous AF in photo mode* , which means I could start 2/10sec timer and move/walk round and the camera will track my face right until the shot is taken. This is important for selfie thumbpick creation if you are a vlogger / one-man videomaker. E.g. 200D (SL2) can not do that (it freezes the focus when the timer starts). I did not see such option in 80D menus over reviews. Is it working the way 70D does or it's like 200D?
I finally bought 80D and figured out myself - it does not have C-AF. It has Servo. So the selfie-trick I described above is only available in 70D. Shame.
@@CalebWojcik Yes. And *80D does NOT have C-AF, it has Servo* - so you have to keep shutter button (or AF-ON) half-pressed for continuous focusing in Live View. In 70D it is just like in the video - when enabled C-AF works all the time by itself. That's a shame Canon removed it from 80D, but they returned it to EOS R as far as I know.
Denisse Makeup Lover hi, did u get the 70D? If not I'm selling my near new mint condition 70D only has 2000 actuation count. They r rated for 1K-150K. Let me know if your interest I can send u pics. Thanks
well instead of getting an 80D with a 18-135mm usm which will cost you about 1600 bucks you can get a 70D with 18-135mm stm refurbished (879 bucks from canons site) or used/open box kinda deals (between 700 and 1000 from various sites) and you will save between 600-900 dollars which you can invest on a second lens maybe even a 3rd. and instead of an 80d with a 18-135mm you can have a 70D with an 18-135mm, a 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, a 24mm f/2.8 STM and if you look for good deals you will still have money left over. im personally looking for a used 70D and am hopeful to get one for under or around 700 bucks with an 18-135mm stm and since i was looking to spend about 1000-1200 i still have money in my budget to get a second lens maybe even a third. if there was 80Ds with those kind of deals i would look for that but there isnt any, there was one that was going for 950 dollars brand new with 18-55mm but i was too late someone else bought it before me even that was a real catch i would have saved over 600 dollar that i could have used to get a 55-250mm and a third lens.
Really good points Ahmet. I am totally in favor of buying used and going with the previous generation. You'll save money you can invest in better audio, lighting, lenses, etc. Thanks for chiming in!
i just bought a 70d w/ 18-135mm stm used with less than 7k shutter count with an extra battery and a lens hood for $802 including shipping and taxes. it was delivered on monday and for the past 2 days ive been really using the camera and its practically new and i love it. if i wanted to buy that whole set up brand new it would have cost me over $1,550 including the battery the hood taxes and shipping. thats nearly double what i paid for my setup. since i was thinking about spending about 1000-1200 i could get a canon 24mm f2.8, 50mm f1.8 and maybe even a third lens and still be within my budget. if i had bought a new camera i would have been a few hundered bucks over my budget without the 3 extra lenses i could buy. also to emphasize this i gotta mention it again, the camera and the lens are so lightly used, no scratches on anywhere, everything works perfectly, if you put it next to a brand new out of box 70d you would be able to tell which one is used.
Fastdounut TV exactly and even that comes with a warranty and you saved about 600 bucks. that could buy you a used L lens like a 24-105mm f/4L USM. if you add a few bucks to it you could get a Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6L IS USM which is one of those white L lenses and you'll look cool as hell :D
Just bought 70d today...didn't know about the 80d however, I haven't really got into video recording but from what I've research the 70d is great for video. Thanks it was helpful....#teamcanon70d.
+Caleb Wojcik Doesn't the 70D/80D focus in general better than the 60D with the dual pixels, not just with face detection AF? I am asking, not stating this as fact. To get any decent focus on the 60D seems like only manual is an option. Form a 60D you also get touch screen and selection of focal points which seems a lit easier than on the 60D.
Thank you for these specs! I love that you actually created your own video instead of copying Canons, and you nicely explained everything they added very clearly!
+Draunamou Thanks. :) Been trying to experiment with formats a bit and this comparison was an idea I had while watching all the same announcements on every blog/channel just listing features.
+Caleb Wojcik Also, using NFC only sets up the WiFi connecton for you. Transferring images doesn't use NFC, it's only for establishing the connection. Still very handy.
Hey, awesome video! Can someone help me to pick the camera? 70D's price is okay for me but there is huge difference between 70D and 80D. Only think that confuses me is 70D has 20 mega pixels and 80D has 24. Does that 4 megapixels affect the picture quality that much? Thanks
Pixel pitch is higher in 70d hence cropping a 70d picture would retain more data compared to 80d. its the same sensor size just a boost in mpx size. Hence i would feel 70d would be a hair sharper when cropped and in terms of printout i dont see a major difference. ofcourse 80d is a lot newer, but lacks many important video specs..
I shoot so many videos with my 70D and the video autofocus ALWAYS breaks down after a couple of months (has trouble focusing even on my face as I sit and speak - goes in and out of focus). Do you think the 80D has fixed this issue? I know this was a defect with the earlier 70D releases that I'm not sure Canon ever fixed with the later releases of the 70D.
I've heard the USM is louder than the STM. STM was geared towards videos for continuous autofocus. So the USM is then, faster but at the cost of being louder. Is the USM lens really that much louder that it may pay to get an STM instead? Or is the difference negligible? Also, there is an anti-flicker mode (surprisingly wasn't mentioned!), that's only for photo mode, not video mode, correct? I am trying to figure a way to get rid of flicker in videos when recording projectors/lights etc.
+Sammy Goris Yes, USM lenses are a little louder when focusing. If you record your sound separately from the camera you shouldn't have to worry though. And yes, there is anti-flicker added to photos, but not video. To get rid of flicker in video it is all about hertz & framerates.
Great points. As you mentioned, a lot of RU-vidrs or people who record themselves use the 70D for it's best in class head tracking and video autofocus. I use a 60D now and want to start recording myself for a RU-vid series but it doesn't have face detection so I go out of focus by moving my body the slightest bit. The 80D really only improves on those features for that user type, for anyone who is not going to be recording them selves then I would just get a GH4 for this price range... if video is your main concern.
+Jeffrey Ringling Without having my hands on an 80D (yet), I didn't want to speculate over the dynamic range without being able to test it. I know in photos the dynamic range performance in RAW files has been improved. I saw how much in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AZ_GuG5p44U.html
70D new 749.99 hard to pass that up if comparing between getting a 70 or 80D. I personally think the 70d might be a better buy and wait for the 90d or something.
+FoodFolksandGuns ebay from stores. www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-70D-Body-20-2-MP-Digital-SLR-Camera-BRAND-NEW-/221689231524?hash=item339db538a4:g:jlMAAOSwrklU3OhT
just so you guys know, there's 1 factor that made me choose the 80D over 70D is the 100% viewfinder. For some the 2% isn't enough for them to buy it. But hey, I'm using a crop sensor camera and the viewfinder is going to crop it even more is pretty frustrating. But that's just me.
I just bought the 80D because of the SloMo and no one freaking mentioned that it doesn't shoot 60 FPS in the MOV mode, but only in MP4. That's a big thing and I haven't seen even one review that would mention this!!!??? Otherwise I like your video. :)
Thanks for this! I’ve been saving up for a new camera! I was wanting to upgrade from a T5i which was my first camera and just ready for a change! I’ve been looking at the 70D then saw 80D and just been debating but I’ll be sticking to getting the 70d (:
If you are only interested in video, the 80D is definitely better, but only a little. It has improved dual pixel AF which allows you to change the AF speed when pulling focus. So when you focus on one thing and want that smooth cinematic shift of focus to another thing - the 80D gives you 9 or 10 different speeds to do this. It also locks focus and tracks subjects noticeably better than the 70D does. You can also fully control video remotely with the smartphone app which you couldn't with the 70D. It also has 1080p at 60fps, a headphone jack and HDR video shooting. Now if you're into photography as well then they are worlds apart! The 80D has an all-new sensor which has a far greater DR and so is vastly superior at recovering shadow details without introducing noise or banding. That feature alone makes it worth the extra money. However, it has 45pt AF instead of the 70D's 19pt AF and autofocuses in much lower light! It has new and improved exposure metering which is fantastic. Its buffer is 50% improved over the 70D, so you can shoot 25 raw files in a burst instead of around 16. As a photo camera it is way ahead of the 70D.
It should be noted that 80D only allows to change the AF speed in flexizone single mode. It doesn't let you change the speed in flexizone multi or facetracking modes.
Really good review and helps a lot. This will be my first big camera purchase and I think I'm going to just go with the 80D and stick with it for a while. Thanks so much!!!
Thanks for the useful info! Canon are getting better with their DSLR specs, especially with the 1DX MKII having 10-bit video recording and 4K 60fps. which from what previews I have seen, looks really nice. It also has uncompressed 4:2:2 via HDMI, but they always come to the party late and are lagging behind the likes of Sony and Panasonic, especially in video quality and features. I am sure they will sell a lot of 80Ds, just like they will sell their upcoming HF G40 camcorder, even though the HF G40 specs make it seem only marginal upgrade to their HF G30 which came out in 2013, rather than a brand new camcorder, especially when it has no 4K recording which a lot of people wanted. I have a Canon 400D, 500D and 600D and used them all for years and been happy and still use the 500D and 600D for photography. I also have a Panasonic GH4 for video and probably won't get the 80D as there are probably better cameras out there if I wanted to upgrade. Canon actually do have some of their own microphones, they made them for their Vixia series, the DM100, a stereo mic and SM-V1, a 5.1 Surround sound mic, but they only work on the mini advanced shoe of those camcorders, not an audio jack.
The Dual pixel AF is the killer feature of the camera and easily is why you would want this over the 70D. Same as the one in the 1DX mk II. You now have the ability to shoot without a focus pull mechanism and get smooth results with tracking. The 4k omission is a let down as well as no 120fps mode. Maybe the 7D Mark III will have all of that. Now that will be a worthy upgrade.
Magic Lantern has solved a lot of these issues (zebras, peaking, headphone monitoring, focus racking & more) for some time now. It's amazing Canon doesn't just include this out of the box. I'm excited to see what the footage of this camera looks like. With the new sensor, it might be noticeably better than the 70D - hopefully, at least.
In Dpreview said that 80D sensor is much better than 70D in term of dynamic range. Is it true? If it is true I think 80D is more interesting because the camera is supposed to get the most quality picture, right?
The AF-System represents the biggest step forward. If it's worth the upgrade depends on your needs. 45 to 19 AF points and there are still 27 working at f/8. So you can use for example the 100-400 L lens with a 1.4 teleconverter. Even the 7D mk II has only the center AF-point working at f/8, so the 80D is a better camera for bird/nature photography if you depend on focus abilities at f/8, unless you are in die-hard need for the 10 FPS of the 7D mk II.
It also has true time lapse capability. Which is a pretty big deal, but thank you for this review. I've been debating on whether or not to upgrade, but other than the focus points, the increased megapixels, and the time lapse function, I don't see the need to upgrade.
Glad I found your video! Very well explained. I want to upgrade from 70d to this but I am not sure if the existing batteries and third party batteries I originally bought for my 70d will be useful in the 80d..? And how would I go about identifying the shutter count? A store has the 80d on offer for 799$, so I would sell my 70d in exchange... My reasons for upgrading : Firstly, the rubber ring around the controls is loose. The rubber grip is also not perfect. I live in a hot and arid country at times. So humidity has caused these imperfections. The body is five years old now. The focus points are superior on the 80d. 45 versus 19. A huge difference. Better resolution and low light capabilities on the 80d make it another good choice. I see video on the 80d is much better too. I use canon L lens but am not ready to go to a full frame version as I am not a pro nor do I need to. Besides, the 6d or 6d ii would be my best choice if the prices were reasonable where I live, Even the old 6d is more expensive 2nd hand thus my interest in the 80d which I could get trading in my 70d. Many thanks!
For 1080p 60FPS and a headphone jack, I think for some filmmakers and videographers this is a good upgrade. The motorized zoom feature would also be great for if you need to change focal length on a jib.
Good comparison. I am looking at these two cameras as an upgrade to my ancient XSi Rebel. I like the new features in the 80D but not as much as I like the recent price drop on the 70D. $839.00 online /w free shipping.
My history: 30D => 40D => 70D => 90D => Nikon (in future ~2021) The technical jumps in between the cameras were so minor. Even from 70D to 90D, except 4k video. I still have the 40D in my workshop, still makes good photos! On the other side, NIKON makes much better chips... much better cameras (in 2019/20). The only reason I did not switch was that they introduced the new Z-Mount in their camers and then only presenting a very limited set of lenses for it. Only in the next months / years will they become available... So I have to wait :(
I want to get the 80D, but I do stills, so I am thinking to just wait until the 70D comes down in price because the upgrades don't really apply to me...still not sure!
FYI - slow down your intro! As a new viewer, I had no idea what you said to open your video. I had to turn on the Closed Caption to know it was your name and channel name!
I'm a pilot and I want to buy a camera to take photos and make videos from the cockpit (both inside the cockpit and through the window on other aircraft), I also want to take photos/videos at my destinations like for vacation or general use. Please tell me which camera is best for me: Canon 7D Mark II, Canon 70D/80D or Canon 6D? Thanks!
Great video. Thanks for sharing. I was thinking about buying the 70D, However, The microphone is key so that would be my reason to change if I do decide to buy this canon. William
+William Mathieson You'll most likely be using an external mic all the time anyway, so either would be good. The headphone jack is a nice benefit of the 80d though.
What's difference in name of various cameras that canon holds .......3000D / 750D / 80D ....etc ......What is actually means ? Searched online but didn't got anything ....just sales 😓😥
Great overview! THANKS! It is really disappointing that Canon does not offer an updated version of the 70D with a full frame sensor & 4K. The 80D seems to offer minor upgrades. Too bad Canon did not go the extra mile!
I don't think so as it isn't a major upgrade... I'm waiting for a canon crop with 4k, doesn't matter if it's 7d mark iii either, would likely get it. I would stick with 70d and wait for 90d. If you are on 60d and want better video AF, sure, I think the DPAF is super helpful.
Nfc is a lot easier to setup a connection between devices( tapping your phone to the camera to initiate a connection, rather than digging into the camera wifi menu and finding the specific network), as well as being noticeably less battery intensive for each device, as apposed to wifi.
+David Allen yeah I guess that is true. I don't really use the wifi setting on my 70D but it is good to have, I used it more when I had a t6i. I am sold on the 80d simply for the zoom attachment, I mean for a few bucks more why not!
+THANIO .NET is the optional zoom attachment limited to only this and newer cameras built specifically for it? I was under the assumption that it was lens specific only, and usable with any camera. But then again, we all know where assuming gets you and me 8). And to bring it back to the Near Field Communication ability, just think of how much more you would have used it (over wifi) if all you had to do was tap your phone to your camera after you've turned it on. Side note, I wonder if all this 4k bias, or lack there of that I've seen on RU-vid is due to the fact that every one of the reviewers make videos for a living. So of course they are going to want as much video capabilities as they can get out of a DSLR. I'm finding (somewhat obviously of course) that website only reviewers usually don't take the video capabilities into too much consideration when judging DSLRs. As for me, I find this 80D very attractive with its average video in exchange for better autofocus (on paper at this point anyway).
I don't know what this guy is talking about, but this camera "ROCKS!!" I mean the addition of 60p, couple new accesories, slow-mo, headphpone jack, 4.2 megapixels extra, 7 frames per second, it's beyond amazing. I'd rather have this then a creepy 4K recorder which they cannot focus well, don't do well in low light and it's just too blurry (and yet doesn't give you too many megapixels in the camera because you gotta reduce it in order to get that 4K). Soo you're getting much lesser features in order to get that "so called 4K" which you'll be dissapointed, but this camera for the $$ that you're paying it can't be beat!! IT IS WORTH OF UPGRADE.
+Nick Beqiri No doubt the 80D is still a GREAT camera for anyone that picks it up. I'll be doing a full review of the camera shortly after mine arrives in a few days. The premise of this video was comparing it to the 70D and most people won't notice a difference between using the two.
I have an old 60D too and the reason I don't use it to vlog is there is no continuous face tracking autofocus. (You'd have to hold down the focus button halfway to focus it.) It is worth the jump to 70D or 80D if you're going to vlog. The 5D's aren't great b/c you can't flip the screen back toward yourself.
My first DSLR is T6i and I'm satisfied with it. Now, I want another DSLR with better upgrade and I don't know which one to get. I checked brand new 70D (body) and the price point for that doesn't do much difference to 80D (body). 70D owners doesn't need an upgrade which is understandable but how about someone, like me, who never own the D series? Should I just go for 80D? Remember, the price point between 70D and 80D doesn't do much difference. And oh, I do landscape photography, by the way. Don't care about shooting video.
i get that it may not be worth it to upgrade cause it doesnt have TOO much more than the 70d. but just to verify...is the 70d a better camera when it comes to taking video or is the 80d just as good?
+Raymond Du Preez If you want to be able to do stills well too, it is a great option. If I was starting from scratch today I'd probably go the Sony route.
+Caleb Wojcik im just looking to buy a proper video camera to start with, that i dont need to upgrade soon , i love everything just worried that 4k will take over and im still stuck in in full HD
