Canon Events DON'T EXIST! (Spider-Man Across The Spider-Verse Theory) 

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spot wasnt in mumbattan because miles was there, he was there because there was an alchemax in mumbattan, spot was going around the different dimensions looking for alchemax, not miles. the attack would have happened whether miles was there or not.

Dr. Strange said it best, "The Multiverse is a concept of which we know frighteningly little." 2099 simply doesn't have the full picture and how can he when we're dealing with infinite universes of infinite possibilities, his method so far may have worked but he's not aware of the other myriad of methods to stabilizing the Multiverse that both Miles and Gwen are starting to pick up on.

I think the writers are introducing what is call an information hazard. The moment you consider all possible things being linked and that the things that don't happen around you happen somewhere else is the moment you can no longer believe that only your existence is important. If your universe is not special then it makes it expendable. It's a cognitive dissonance in your mind to simultaneously believe your universe is important while also believing other universes exist. Miles represents the person who lets go of this dissonance and simply accepts the existence of all worlds while Miguel represents someone who believes that no universe is special, not even his. It's the extremes of decision making. You can either calculate the perfect next step you take in life or you simply take that next step and do your best.

Great video! i just wanted to mention another detail. when we first meet Prowler Miles, his face is lit up with blue and red. Spider-Man colors. And the strike team Miguel brings along w/ him to catch Miles ALSO dont have the same canon events as everyone else! Ben Reilly is a clone, so he was BORN with spider powers, he was never bitten. And Jessica Drew was never bitten by a spider either! her backstory changes a lot in the comics, from being injected with a spider-blood serum, or originally being a spider that evolved into a human being. She was never bitten either. Its really interesting that Miguel’s team also aren’t traditional spider people!

6:50 Miles : ,,CLAWS?? Are you even a Spider-Man” Miles HIMSELF said it

I still don't understand how Miguel's universe was "erased" or "moved" just because he took the place of someone else's dad for a year. We have seen other people live in other universes just fine. Is it because Miguel was there for a long time? Wasn't it just 1 year though? Did he do too many heroic deeds as a spiderman and 'dad' in another universe that it completely changed everything? Well how does that explain Miles' universe and the earth 42? IT was completely changed and is fine. Even Gwen's dad quit.... I don't understand. OR maybe did something happen to Miguel's daughters' universe that had nothing to do with him? He just assumed that he caused all the damage?

I'm waiting for the destiny weaver and the 'other' to come in at the third movie and say "miguel your canon even theory doesn't work"

Yeah 2099 IS the Anomaly. He's a narcissist or he's projecting. He's blaming Miles for what he is guilty of.

If you notice the universe destruction effect is different between Mumbattan and 2099's backstory, one is a black hole similar to spots, and the other is the same effect as the super collider from the first movie. This leads me to believe that the destruction of these universes is an external factor and not the whole "Canon event" shtick. That external factor, however, in both cases it has to do with the alchemax super collider. Also, since the Spot is the second external factor for Mumbattan, who's to say that someone didn't mess with 2099's super collider and destroyed that entire universe. Someone who would want all the Avengers 2099 dead. Someone like Kang. Now the Kang part might be far fetched but my point still stands. Now for canon events i say that they actually just signify what's the most probable thing to happen to someone important to spiderman and can actually be prevented with no problems.

I think Inspector Singh would have died no matter what, considering what happened in 'What If...', Doctor Strange's first attempts to break the Canon didn't work as his wife keeped dying after every time he went back and changed the past to try and stop her death. And once he did break the Canon, the same thing happened to his dimension, as it was engulfed by the black stuff. Also I'm pretty sure Miguel injected himself with the venom from the spider that bit Peter, which in turn makes him spider-man. Miguel may be wrong, but he's only trying to protect Miles' dimension from collapsing

Miguel is not a Spider-Man. He is a Prowler.

Technically Miguel is the original anomaly for time travelling in the first place he also isn't Spider-Man for those who refuse to call Miles Spider man but are quick to call Miguel Spiderman without hesitation dude can't even stick to walls nor was he bit by a spider

like, the spot came in and triggered the canon event, and then miles swooped in and disrupted it, completely changing the entire story. if the spot hadn't come, the canon event wouldn't have been triggered then, but it would've still happened later on in the future our miles was experiencing all the canon events the other miguel was supposed to experience, whilst the other miles met the fate our miles was supposed to meet, so i guess the 2 dimensions kinda swapped roles. except for one thing: in our dimension, there was Peter Parker, who was supposed to fight and stop the Prowler (miles), but died instead (because of miles, as spiderman 2099 claims), whilst in the other dimension miles was supposed to become spiderman and defeat the Prowler (uncle aaron) himself. so maybe um, the dimensions didn't collapse immediately because the canon events continued to happen as normal, but i think that maybe they would've slowly started making no sense because of the small differences until they eventually both collapsed in the future? i wonder if a major plotline of beyond the spiderverse could be miguels's dimensions starting to fall apart miguel's point was that if miles wasn't bitten by the spider, peter parker wouldn't have died, the quantum collider would've been shut down in time, the dimensions wouldn't have gotten off route by the consequences of the collider and the spot would've never came to be. also one last detail i have noticed in mumbattan, is that, the black matter didn't appear out of nowhere and didn't appear upon the disruption of the canon event: it appeared when the spot absorbed the collider, and started slowly eating alchamax hq causing it to fall in the first place, and then slowly expanding. in miguel's flashback, the dimension didn't get eaten by dark matter, it started glitching until it no longer was

I feel Miguel isn’t being fully truthful. The cannon event that happened in Mumbatten to me looks to be caused by the collider explosion as the black liquid slowly covers the building and Jessica Drew even calls it a quantum hole. The other reason I believe this is in the footage Miguel shows of him breaking the cannon. It looks more like the waves from a collider like seen like ITSV. I believe a collider has to be involved to destroy a universe and not what Miguel says. At the end of the Movie spider-man India is on Gwen’s band. If miles had caused his universe to implode why would he be there?

What if Miguel is the one who wants the Multiverse to end so he can remake it in his image.

also if disrupting a canon event lead to a dismension collapse, then why earth 42 is still there ? no spider => no Spider-man => not a single "canon" event could happen, but Earth 42 still exist ??

We have to discuss something that's VERY overlooked. Johnathan Ohms pulled a genetic spider from a world that DOES not have a spiderman. Do you understand what that means... That means there is no disruption. Miles in turn swapped fates with his Earth 42 counterpart but Miles isn't inherently evil and I think 42 version is more hardened due to his father passing. Sure Uncle Aaron died but he was a criminal who was redeemed due to the fact his nephew was there. Jeff has been in places where he should've died multiple times. Hes the type of man to put himself on the line a true hero. Jeff is a earnest man, to lose someone like him could impact anyone. Around that time Miles is trying to find himself and his defining moment of becoming spiderman was when his dad talked to him.... My point being is Miguel might be right due to Miles Dad is a double whammy. Aarons death was the trade off to Peter's but there wasn't a trade of to Miles becoming Spiderman. To balance his concerns is the death of Jeff but in timeline 42 Aaron is alive which tells me he was never really suppose to die in the first movie. He only died cause Miles was spiderman. Miles isnt so much so as an anomaly like Miguel calls him, he more of a one who was accidentally gifted the chance to break the matrix to show things can be different.

By Miguels logic shouldn't the right thing to do, to keep the cannon event going on track, to send Miles back to his universe? Miguel said that the canon event where a captain dies is when the captain tries to save a child while spiderman fights his nemesis. If Miles isn't back in his universe he can't fight spot. Thus breaking the canon event. Same when Miguel says the 42 spider bite 1610 Miles is the first/original abnormality. The colider event summoning the 42 spider would then technically be the first/original abnormality. Also it's not just Miguel not sharing anything with Peter Parker "canon events". His inner circle of Scarlet "Ben Riley" Spider and Jessiuca Drew Spider Woman. None of them share any similarities with Peter Parker "canon events". But I actually think that Miguel and the whole Spider societys undestanding of canon events are flawed. They don't have the whole picture and have been acting on what they believe is correct. I don't think Miguel is the villain, he have just been acting on the wrong conclusions about canon events. I think it's Spot traveling the fabrics of spacetime causing these events to create spider man/woman, put them on the "right" path so a colider event happens so he (Spot) can go to that universe and become more powerful. And the events that ends universes is just an consequence of Spots actions. And sometimes they are not severe enough that the Spider society can save it.

I legit thought of this yesterday and im SO glad to not be the only one who pieced it together. If anything, Miguel IS the first anamoly BECAUSE of him going into another verse with his daughter and it falling apart thus leading him to make the 'spider league'. (I legit can't stand 2099 and I hope the next movie makes him regret his words) I'm wondering now, with both Miles, if they'll team up since the cartel 6 is running rampant in 42.

Cape isn’t disrespectful, Spider-Man unlimited has a cape and a very cool one, plus he can turn it on and off at will, and Peter B Parker says having the cape is cool

Also, notice, in the chase scene when Miguel is using his claws, miles says, "Are you even spiderman?" He was angry at miles before, but when miles said that, he went *BESERK*.

Miles should lead the spider team Miguel just a wannabe. Miles showed us by beating and outsmarting him

Well the spot would have destroyed alchemax whether or not Miles was there, but without miles getting bit, 1610 spiderman would have stopped the collider in time meaning that the Spot would have never been concieved, thus, no cannon event.

Eh. It seems pretty clear to me from the movie that the mechanics behind all of this Canonicity stuff are not entirely understood by anyone including Miguel. I don't think he's lying to anyone as such. I think he truly believes what he's saying. The problem is that I think he has an incomplete understanding of how the multiverse works (there's clearly SOMETHING to canon events and why so many spiders have parallel tragedies and so on, but I don't think we've been given a full understanding of how any of that works just yet). More importantly, I think Miguel has convinced himself this is how it all works because 1.) It may be easier to believe that than face the idea that he COULD have saved his daughter and just flat out failed and/or 2) It may be easier to believe that than let go of the pain of that and try to forgive himself for that failure. In other words if Miguel is lying to people its an unintended side effect of him lying to himself. A big part of his animosity towards Miles is already pretty clearly misplaced self loathing about his own supposed anomalous nature. Also also I think when he says the spider wasn't meant for Miles I understood that to mean the Miles we've seen in the past two movies, not every Miles in every universe. In other words, it could well have been the Miles on universe 42 that was intended to be Spider-man, but it wasn't meant for the Miles in the collider universe (the setting of the first movie, does that universe have a number?) to be bitten. And that being said I think you are dead wrong about Miles being intended to become the Prowler. We don't have enough information to say that- for one thing I think the movie strongly implies Universe 42 never had a Spider-man of its own to begin with (no Peter Parker), so that's already a huge difference from the collider universe. Second we have no idea when Mile's father died or how long Uncle Aaron has been supporting his family and influencing 42's version of Miles. I think it most likely has been going on for awhile now- its hard to imagine a Miles whose life has run in parallel to the one we are familiar with becoming a villain...I have to assume their lives diverged much earlier and 42 has had a much harder life than our Miles.

Miles is the original anomaly, However saving Captain Sign was breaking Canon. The spot would've always gone to mumbattan to regain his powers which would've lead to Captain Sighn Death but because miles went through Gwens portal. That is what broke Canon because from that point onwards the spot would've recieved his powers then went back to Miles Earth and caused future Canon events to happen. Miles earth re-alligned itself after he was bitten and Earth 42 Miles became the prowler because of that. The only difference is now Miles knows about his fathers death. It could potentially break canon, However Miles vision was of his dad running to save the child not the actual seath of his father. In both Earths only one figure dies otherwise Earth 42 Uncle Aaron would be dead too.

Ok, so the math isn't mathing here. If he wasn't meant be Spider-Man then why is he getting canon events for Spider-men? Don't no one try to make sense of this, IT ISN'T SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE. They pulled this sh*t on purpose and that fact that this is being brought up means that the writers have achieved what they've set out to do. We aren't supposed to trust Miguel nor will he ever be right by the end of the third film. You can say that his future downfall will be a... *canon event* .

i like that part where u say the canon wouldnt have even happened without miles because since spot created miles and miles created spot, the whole event where insp. singh is "supposed" to die was done by spot

"Miguel is the Spanish/Portuguese form of Michael, which comes from Hebrew and means "Who is like God?" miguel is actually a michael morbius variant. or not. idk.

i mean miguel wasn't bitten by a spider, he's half spider because of an experiment gone wrong, so yeah i think he himself could be the original anomaly or maybe even spot. miles being an anomaly doesn't make sense either, and i feel like what happened with gwen also shouldve disrupted her universe. her dad was supposed to become captain, but he stepped down. shouldn't that have disrupted her universe too???? i think miguel is either lying or there are just some serious flaws in the information he's saying

But in the halfway point of the move, the spot was in India before miles so he could go get stronger so miles shouldn’t have been there

I think Spider-Man No Way Home also had bug fixes during it’s second week…

Another thing that i havent heard anyone talk about is that after Miles saves the captain in Mumbattan, the hole that takes the fallen building is one that looks alot more like how the spots holes look (hypothetically more so after the spots transformation), and not how the universe unraveled in Miguel's flashback. or Miguel's lying for some other reason.

This probably wouldn’t happen at all if Kingpin never thought of activing or use the collider to bring back his family in the first place so technically kingpin is the anomally but he kind of fixed the issue where there isn’t supposed to be 2 spiderman in 1 universe where he killed earth 1610 spiderman/peter parker trying to save Miles. But at the same time Miles also blew up the collider so it’s kinda kingpin’s fault were in this mess in the end kingpin died so yeah

Imagine if he is Vemon straight up. That would be cool.

ik I might be 100% wrong because i know about spider-man 2099 from the comics and how different he and his backstory are from other spider-men, but i don't think this Miguel is spiderman, I think he's a prowler variant. in the movie I thought that it was going to be revealed and was surprised when it wasn't, but I still heavily support the theory that this miguel o'hara is the prowler and not a morally skewed, much different spider-man

yea but the collider would have started anyway, so inspector sang would have been in danger anyay

That spider was slide to bite earth 42 miles in the movie it shows the earth 42 spider in miles room near him before it teleported

Look its fate when the spider 42 got teleported before it could bite miles 42 that's why it became a problem but the spider 42 itself was meant for miles thats why it went on to bite miles 1610 it just wasn't supposed to do that in the 1610 reality but anyway fate itself tried to fix both universes by having to switch destiny and from a certain perspective miles 1610 is an anomaly but at the same time he isn't. But your right spider-man 2099 lackes any spider-man persona whatsoever but you cant say thats not canon cause spider man 2099 story wasn't caused by anyone or anything that wasn't from his universe. We just gotta wait for beyond spider verse to get an actual answer

I also noticed that Miguel was way too upset about Earth 42 not having a Spider-man. I mean I get it, it could destroy the fabric of reality but... It didn't so far. And the way he looks makes it feel... personal. Like it is somehow personal to him. !Long theory/analysis coming up, read at your own expense! As for the "Miguel is lying" I had 2 thoughts. 1: Miguel has a very similar aesthetic to the prowler. When he decides to let Gwen join, he does this thing with his... claws? His hand. And it's not even a blink and you'll miss it detail since the frame is only his hand. And it was exactly how Aaron in the first movie extended the claws on his prowler suite. Like exactly the same movement just opposite hands. (I think maybe it's the same hand.) When we first see him he has a cape. This isn't that big of a deal, but I think it's worth mentioning in this context. His mask is very similar to the Earth 42 Prowler mask (that is a little subtler but it's still pretty noticeable in my opinion.) His way of fighting miles is more prowler than spidey. I mean the moment they fight on the train is just too similar to the rooftop fight between Aaron and Miles to be a coincidence. Miguel's theme is different enough that I didn't notice while watching but that also is similar enough that I can't put it down as a coincidence. That is just an observation I made. I have no clue what this could mean (if it means anything, I tend to read too much into things) 2: What if it's the Spot making Miguel and everyone else believe in canon events? He wants to destroy Miles' life and what is the best way to do that? Make him an outcast among people who are supposed to believe in him. Turn all his friends against him, while he believes he will have to stand by as someone close to him dies. Like that would be a brilliant plan. And we know that time travel is possible with multiversal travel so he could pull it off after his "glow up". *KHM* That became long. These are my takes but I've only seen the movie once so maybe I missed something that undermines my points.

if superior spider man is in the next movie, he might explain like changing fates or events in other universes can make a good way since in his character he is doc ock which is evil that took over spiderman's body but turned good because of having Peter's mind, so maybe my theory he might have his own spider team like the spider society but trying to create good fates

Your theory on miles 1610 being supposed to be the prowler and then earth 42 miles supposed to be Spider-Man is true. Confirmed

Original anomaly is actually Loki because him killing Kang created the multiverse which includes the spider verse.

I don't understand the fact that Miguel states that miles is the original anomaly, because, in the first movie, miles is bitten by the radioactive spider before the events leading to the so-called "bagel effect" so how could the radioactive spider possibly be located in earth 1610 if the spot wasn't created yet? It really doesn't make any sense. (EDIT: correct me if im wrong but im pretty sure the spot said he ran a collider test before the "bagel effect" happened and brought a spider from another dimension, thus creating a new spider man. So miles may actually be the original anomaly) As for the whole inspector Singh and canon events situation, I believe canon events can only be "disturbed" by anomaly's as Qwen prevented her fathers death, but she is not an anomaly, and her canon event was basically just broken down to be later reformed on someone else (it might be miles, as the state miles is in could lead to his death as, keep in mind, beyond the spider verse will be the final movie of the trilogy), but in her case it's like a form of nature, for inspector singh, the only reason that universe was soon to be annihilated, is because miles, an anomaly prevented it, I think that when miles heard the spider people talking about how there's a chance they can prevent it, miles realized that maybe there was a chance he could save his universe and his father as he says specifically, "why can't spider man do both?" Asking Miguel why he can't take that chance. as for miles whole, anomaly, canon event situation, he did not disturb a canon event, he just bended the canon, (similar as to how Qwen is reshaping her canon) not disturbing it, i believes that if he himself disturbed or prevented his canon event, it would completely normal as Qwen in her own universe prevented her canon event with her father, but nothing happened as that is her original universe so she wouldn't be considered an anomaly, i believe the same will be said for miles in the next movie.

Wait so if miles from Earth 42 was ment to be bitten then if it did happen miles 1610 was supposed to be the universe without a spider man which means if somehow it changed miles would be the one who would not have a spider man in his universe

I think he was part of the hologram was because he could understand why it happened to him and that « he’s not the only one » My theory about this is that uncle Aaron was never supposed to die in the first place. In Miles’s story his father has to die(like in universe 42). Sinds this Miles was never supposed to be Spider-Man his uncle died. Just like his Peter’s version. The problem is that Miles’ father also has to die because that is what’s supposed to happen in the original story.(in universe 42) So the universe is trying to adapt in order to continue existing. It needs his father to die as a hero.

My theory is that miles g will be good then try to stop the spot, sacrificing himself in the process. also miles 1610 will learn that he has to let his dad die, and uncle aaron, after losing miles, will replace jeff as the father figure of miles 1610 and therefore live in 1610

First when Miguel was gonna bite him, he wasn't trying to off him, just capture, his fangs have a venom that temporarily paralyzes opponents. Miguel does lose his mother, and his authoritarian father at the end of his comic story, so he's not missing canon events. The thing isn't that Miguel is malicious, it's that he's wrong. Hear me out, Miguel explains that the universe his family was in was erased because of him being there. Understandable...........Except that makes no sense. Why? 1. The Miguel of that universe wasn't Spider-Man, he was a normal guy. We see the Spider-Man of that Earth, so Miguel didn't interfere with that Spider-Man's canon. 2. If presence was enough, Earth-1610 should be completely gone, Peter B and the others were there for days, existing in 1610 and helping Miles, and the spider that bit Miles (who is the original anomaly) IS STILL THERE, part of Spot's collection. So there's no way Miguel caused the erasure. Another thing, Miguel blames Miles for the Mumbattan Incident, due to him disrupting the canon..........Except, that's not the reason, let's not forget why the building was falling: Spot...........oh and the Collider, mixed with Spot's energy, dropping stories, upon stories out the sky and hitting the ground. Hence why the 'erasure' looks like Spot's energy. On top of this, Miguel's universe didn't get wiped out by energy that looks like Spot's, so Mumbattan isn't being erased by Canon Disruption. There's no evidence that disrupting canon events actually does anything.

I'm pretty sure what happened in mumbattan(that black stuff) wasn't caused by the disruption of the canon event, because we see the black before the canon event is even predicted when the building is first splitting. what happened was that it spread around after the building fell. also, the reason the canon events are considered canon is most likely because some algorithm decided it was one, and that happens because some events are so common miguel decides that they thus MUST happen, or... more likely, he's lying. the spot wasn't in mumbattan because miles was there he was there to become more powerful. miles become an "anomaly" because he was bit by the spider why does that make miles the ORIGINAL anomaly and not... the spider, or spot?

I mean your just wrong about the anomaly stuff. Spot went to Mumbatten for the collider not because Miles was there. If .lies didn't go it wouldn't have mattered because spit had already gone there that was the reason for why gwen went there in the first place. Miles not being there still wouldn't have changed the Canon event that the police captain was going to die because of spot

i mean if we go with the very little info we got so far, its not too far fetched for 2099 to be both right and wrong. Miles IS the original anomaly, but change isn't always bad. Idk if they are subtly trying to vindicate miles' first introduction to the world with this storyline (lets remember when he was first introduced, everyone was pissed off he wasn't another peter, but then everyone ended up loving his story) so by going historically it's just a poetic way to cement miles as a spiderman in the movies the same way the comics did, by eliminating the standard peter=spiderman and fighting through the hate. This time not by readers but by the supposedly leader of the spidermen who "knows better", that in itself is creative and funny. Little theory: Since he's the anomaly that started it all, he becomes the new standard, just like what they said in the first movie. Anyone can be spiderman, peter's spiderman has uncle ben die and other bs happen to him, miles' spiderman has his uncle aaron die and other bs, 2099's spiderman has his happy family dreams crushed or never existing and other bs..and while they all go through suffering and harsh life lessons to get there, it doesn't mean they all have to go though them the same way. There is already a version of this very alive and very accepted even among these spidermen under 2099: ARMORED SPIDERMAN, u know the rich guy that got everything going well for him, his uncle still alive and well...his universe aint gone. he learned to listen much better than most of other peters, and while this peter listented well to his uncle, that made his uncle's death useless for him to become spiderman, but our more known peters, the one's uncles have died, very much NEEDED that death.. cause yeah they heard uncle ben say it, but didnt sink in until the death happened. sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo yeah miles is another story, still a spiderman, but another kind of spiderman, his own story and that's pretty much how i thnk its gonna end ..proving 2099 wrong.

That was the entire point not A theory

I don’t think it’s as simple as you’re going about it. I get what you’re saying but it’s kinda ignoring the idea that these things can just happen regardless. The sequence of events can and have still happened. You in a weird way by bringing up earth 42 Miles and 1610 Miles in an odd way swapped roles. I kinda think that’s why the world wasn’t effected. Additionally Miguel himself when talking about a world he witnessed collapsed as done overtime by constant tampering by him being anomaly and as well him causing changes in the ‘canon’. Granted I do think you’re on to something in saying there is something more to this, but I don’t think it is becuase Miguel isn’t Spider-Man or because he is evil. It would undercut and cheapen what he represents. He had many similarities to Miles in initially being a different Spider-Man, a successor to Peter, inspired by Peter, Donald designs, both wanted to explore the multiverse. In fact the end credit scene shows Miguel’s goal as to achieve that multiverses travel. He represents what can happen to Miles when the loses who he is. When his individuality is scuffed out and he can’t move on as Uncle Aaron wished of Miles to do as he died. Miguel in this movie is what Miles can become is he doesn’t “protect that little boy”. Miguel is for sure the antagonist, but is is not a lesser Spider-Man and not a hero because if it. He is clearly fighting his demons and his actions show he is holding a lot of the grief in. That grief he hasn’t been able to move on from, especially considering the first real shot that established his character outside of cool badass is him looking as a recording of his family. He clearly holds himself responsible with the death of not only his alternate universe family, but that entire existence. So to see Miles in a very similar circumstance and with a similar want to explore as he use as seen in the post credit probably doesn’t help. So yeah, the way I see it Miguel is simply someone who stumble a bit on the path and is overcompensating becuase he feels it is responsibility to do so. His inner monolgue conveys that blatantly. I think in the end Miles will get through to Miguel and the canon event issue will be solved by way of not doing to in secrecy with everyone not tampering with other universe, but more so going to the extreme with Spider-Men operating n all these different universes. I think the answer is to embrace and normalize that public exceptence rather than hiding away. It fits many of the themes presented in the movie

i think the spider senses go green and purple means his spider senses are telling him that the goblin is in the room but he is new for becoming spiderman so its late

The story is still unraveling.

I kinda want gwen to go off on miguel that hes wrong and miles was right it was the spots fault,bc if earth 42 miles was suppose to be spider man why is his world still ok and its been over a year since miles got bit,or gwens world when her dad quit being captain her cannon event wont happen anymore and her world is still fine and its been a few months since she left her world

6:03 Not so sure. Peter was probably going to cause the Spot’s existance. Then the Spot would be there and be the reason inspector Singh got crushed. Then he would’ve been after Peter for « ruining » his life. Then the canon events would still happen and Miles wouldn’t be there.

My whole life has always been a canon event 💀

My theory is that it's the Spot that is the original Anomaly, he is the one who first opened holes in the Multiverse and cause the events of Spiderverse 1 (alongside Olivia Octavius), the Spot created Spider-Miles and then he gave powers to the Spot with the whole Bagel Effect thing. The Mumbattan Canon Event was not supposed to happen but Spot changed the story to include himself in it. Miguel then called the stories of all the Spiders as "The Web of Life and Destiny", which in the comics is the thread that connects all universes toghether and allow them to communicate with each other safely like we see in all other Spiderverse stories. However, unlike previous stories, the Spot is opening holes in the web and making the connections weaker causing parts of the web to fall apart. I believe that Miguel is only misunderstanding what is causing the connections to get weaker and believing that is because of the Canon Events when in reality is the Spot going around causing trouble. The reason why Miguel's alternate universe collapsed is because 2099 is the not only a different dimension but also the future for many of the Spiders (the future of universe 616 and 616B, for example). Miguel is desperate to maintain the Canon as is because if his universe's connection with the others weakens because they change too much, his future stops making sense and his universe is then destroyed. In a meta sense, the canon of the past is changed too much for 2099 to exist so the comic line has to be either scrapped or severely changed. Originally, Miles didn't exist and Miguel became Spider-Man as a successor to Peter, but if Miles is the successor then the canon doesn't make sense. Miguel wants to eliminate Miles from the canon so that 2099 can survive. What the Spiderverse ultimately needs is for someone who understands the Web fully and can maintain the connections strong. In the comics we have Madame Web, I wonder if are going to see someone like that in Spiderverse 3. Finally, what Miguel doesn't understand is that a Spider-Man that stands by when someone needs help is the most Non-Canonical thing for Spider-Man to do. Miles saving his dad or the chief in Mumbattan is actually making the Canon stronger, not weaker In my opnion.

There is a subtle parallel between kingpin from the first movie and Miguel. Both of them tried to use multidimensional travel to unite with family members and this action destabilized the multiverse. Perhaps it isn’t canon events and their breaking which destabilizes things but the attempt to undo events already done.

I think the canon for 1610 and 42 miles have swapped with each other. Miguel shows Miles a scene of his dad dying but what if this was the canon from for 42 Miles because his dad is dead and 1610 Miles has expierienced his one with his uncle dying. This would lead to 1610 Miles' father staying alive during the next movie.

It seems Hobbie Brown knows something about Miguel and knew Gwen would need a watch in the future but for Miles...he told him "make your own watch". Which to me means Hobbie Brown knows Miles can make a watch if he needed to.

My thought is that Miguel is jealous of Miles, because Miles became Spider-man when he is not supposed to and not only his world remained safe, but also other Spider people (Gwen and Peter B Parker) started changing their destinies without causing anomalies; while Miguel's only anomaly he created ended up destroying the entire world, I think even the entire Universe. Hence, his violent tendencies towards Miles.

I also think that it's not a coincidence that the 3 spiderman that chase miles at the end (Jess, Ben and Miguel) are spidermen that got their powers from uncommon ways.

I would like to give my theory on the canon events. I think canon events can be disrupted, as in changed but not completely stopped, it needs to have a logical continuation like how a storyteller would tell a story for the canon event to continue on. For example, Gwen's dad didn't undergo the death set by the canon event because he quit his job as captain after learning Spider Woman's identity. While for Inspector Singh, the canon event was stopped because Miles (counted as an anomaly as he came from another dimension) swooped in and save Inspector Singh. From a storytelling perspective of the Mumbattan world, it makes zero sense, therefore creating the black hole. The canon event was always meant to happened for Inspector Singh, its just that Spot came and the storyline rewritten itself to kill him (again, it was a matter of time before the own research team activated the collider and caused the Alchemax building to be destroyed, Spot just made the event happened earlier).

I have a theory. There are two types of anomalies. A trigger and a fuse. What you explained in the video about the Miles and Spot in Mumbatthan, Spot is a anomaly and Miguel says Miles is a anomaly too. Since Miles blew up the collider in 1610, it caused Spot to be an anomaly. Spot is the fuse anomaly and Miles is the trigger, since Spot was in Mumbattan, Miles came to Mumbattan and Miles caused the Spot to travel to Mumbattan in search of getting more powerful.

I think the world Miles was in didn't change, because no canon event was truly disrupted. While Peter Parker died, miles sort of took his place as the Spiderman, so that the world wouldn't realise anything changed. It would work the opposite way with Miguel: Spiderman 2099 died, but since Miguel took his place, the world took it as if he is the same person and thus the canon event (Spidermans death) didn't trigger, leading to destruction

I think what's even weirder is how Miguel knows these things. The existence of the society in general. If he truly believed that we spider people shouldn't interrupt each others' universes since it would disturb canon events, why give them watches? Why allow them to go to each oher's universes? How did he even know this is possible? How does he know who is an anomaly and who isn't? It's very weird. I don't trust Miguel.

Miguel does have spider powers they are just different from the typical Spiderman powers. He has the usual enhanced speed strength healing etc, venomous fangs like a spider which paralyze, he has organic webbing, enhanced eye sight ( can see farther, see better in the dark), he also has talons like that of a spider. if anything I'd say that Miguel is the most like a spider than other spider people.

I think that what happens in Spider-Man Indias universe just happened because of the spot, when Miguel is showing his backstory and that universe being destroyed it looks like the whole universe is glitching, but in Mumbattan it looks like a black hole, like the spot. I think Miguel’s whole theory is wrong, Mayday is an anomaly, Gwen’s dad after he quits, even Miguel and his 2 closest people to him (Jessica Drew and Scarlet Spider) are anomalies. Miguel’s powers came from an experiment, Jessica Drew’s from the high evolutionary (I think) and the scarlet spider is a clone. None of these have the proper cannon events

I mean, technically speaking Miles-42 is the first Anomaly. Pre-Bagel Spot warped Spider-42 away from Earth-42, meaning Miles-42 didn't become Spider-Man when he was supposed to. It was only some time _after_ that event did Miles-1610 get bitten and receive his powers. So Miguel is already jumping to conclusions without thinking.

Honestly when Miles disrupts the Canon Event in Mumbattan, I don't think *that* caused the singularity to form, the singularity was from Spot. You can see that the Alchemex building that's falling down is building up with some sort of black substance that looks just like his portals, and it would make sense considering he just absorbed the energy of the particle accelerator and blew up the building doing so. On top of that, it's very clear that Miguel isn't telling everyone the full story, but I'm not 100% sure what the real story is. Either he's leaving out important details as to what caused his second reality to be destroyed, or he doesn't quite know what the rules of the multiverse are and is just assuming. I have some crackpot and unconfirmed theories such as maybe he meddled with that reality too much, or maybe that the reality we see as his "home" isn't actually where he's from, but I haven't been able to rewatch the movie to find evidence on either front.

Did anyone else notice about 51 minutes into the movie the computer screens Miguel was watching? One had Spider-Punk, a few have the Spot and the big one that goes floating by has Miles and Gwen on the roof looking at Gwen's watch. I wonder how long Miguel has been watching them. And why is Miguel more concerned with Miles then the Spot. It doesn't add up.

If Prowler 42 was supposed to be spiderman, then why is His Universe Not Unraveling Yet?

I had seen elsewhere someone pointed out, if this canon theory is to be believed, there are three outliers. Specifically people who were not actually bitten by a radioactive spider (Or in Spider-Ham's canon a radioactive pig...) Those three are Miguel, Reilley, and Drew. In the comics, Miguel had half his DNA spliced with a spider's DNA as part of a plot to keep Miguel from leaving Alchemax. He has physical attributes of a spider, (claws/talons, super-strength/speed/durability, fangs and venom glands) but he does lack the spider-sense and the ability to stick to surfaces (he uses his claws and talons to climb). Reilley canonically was clone of Peter Parker (I assume 616) who was created to fight Peter. And while it could count as being bitten since he is a clone, his DNA was post-bite Peter so that may not count. Drew is a mixed bag, and probably the biggest wildcard. Originally she was created as a one-off placeholder for a copyright of Spider-Woman (back when Marvel and DC were fighting for copyrighting heroes and names) When her one-off took off, they initially made her origin to be an actual spider evolved into a human. That idea was quickly scrapped and they made a whole thing where she was the daughter of scientists and she had some rare disorder. Her father experimented on a cure, used irradiated spider blood in it, and inject his infant daughter with it and put her in an incubator. Mom died and dad left the incubator with family, and thanks to SCIENCE Drew emerges from the incubator after a month nearly-full-grown and with spider powers. Writers and editors didn't really have a real handle on Drew as a character, so she was tossed around in stories as people left their work on her to the next editor/writer. So technically she wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider. Another interesting thing I noted was Drew's pregnancy in the movie was... maybe halted... time-wise? When they meat Gwen she looked very pregnant (which is fine of course) but when you fast-forward "a few months" when Gwen goes to Earth-1610B. That could be a nothing-something, but worth noting since you get a sense the team doesn't seem to leave random things lying around. The way I see it, what will happen in Beyond will have to center around Spider-42. Specifically the how and the why from the collider being used. If you go back and watch ITSV, as Miles heads to his new school his former classmates ask about, "that earthquake last night." I get a feeling that earthquake was the collider being used to pull the 42-spider to 1610B, time-wise it lines up with Miles getting bitten. As an amusing final note, you can see Earth-42 has very little info and most of it is related to the movies (with a bit related to Miles comic canon). It may seem the number is random, but I don't think it is. Those of us who are Douglas Adams fans know the number. 42 is "the answer to life, the universe, and everything" from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

I think Miguel was the original anomaly and either knows or doesn't know and then puts the blame on miles. I do believe he knows he's the villain. He says miles being Spiderman caused the other Spiderman to die in his universe however when Miguel travels to be with his daughter the spiderman in that universe didn't die and he somehow remained after it's thread 'unravelled'.

What’s insane is that IMDb put this movie in the number 11 spot for the top 250 movies of all time, I hope this is the first animated movie to win an Oscar for movie of the year

That scene where Miguel is about to bite Renaissance Vulture isn't a kill move, he has venom in his fangs that harmlessly paralyzes anything he bites, he's trying to end the fight non-violently.

I saw a theory somewhere that the Miguel we see in Across is actually an impostor and the real Miguel (the real spider-man with powers) is trapped somewhere trying to get back to his universe and they will help the real Miguel get out in Beyond.

Technically he didn’t lie, he just said Miles 1610B WASN’T supposed to be. What happened was, and this, like yours, is just a theory. I believe that Miles’ canon was changed: His destiny, like you said. He WAS once not supposed to be real. I like your theory, but we already know Spot was jumping universes for more power already. No hate though, I think you are half right, but he’s not lying. Love the vid bro but think about my points and I’ll think bout yours!

Something that interests me is that although Miles may be considered the original anomaly, it wasn't his choice to be bit. If I remember correctly Miguel said he's been watching to make sure no anomalies go to a different universe but if he was watching why didn't he stop the spider from biting Miles? Was it already too late to stop the events that were about to occur? Why is he being blamed for all this when it was the Spot who originally did the experiment that made the spider go from earth 42 to earth 1610? Another thing I want to know is what if the spider bit earth 42 Miles and before getting smacked gets transported to earth 1610 and bites that version of Miles? Would both worlds start to destroy themselves? I personally don't trust Miguel as when Gwen started to interrogate him about the canon events being true he shouted "do you want to find out?!" as if he didn't want to admit he doesn't know everything about the canon events but doesn't want to risk it as one universe did collapse.

Something else, is that Miguel says that Miles' dad has to die for him to lose someone close to him, but Miles already did. He lost his Uncle Aaron in the first movie, and Miguel's explanation of the multiverse even calls back to that.

I have a question. If our miles(E-1610) was supposed to be the Prowler, then why did uncle Aaron became the Prowler* instead of Miles??

spot in the first movie, (when he was working for funny big man) stole the earth 42 radioactive spider, and managed to accidently let it go loose causing it to end up by the subway somehow and biting our miles. either miguel is mistaken for thinking miles is the problem or he is not who he says he is, thats just what i think though.

Always found weird how Miguel managed to get this many spider-people without actually having full on spider powers. Comicswise he should have some of the spider-people’s powers but much weaker and with no spidersense. Hope they get into that on the next one. Great video, loved to see someone else noticed the inconsistencies on the movie haha

Additionally, why doesn’t Earth 42 implode either? You could think having no Spiderman at all would be a pretty big deal for any canon events. Without a Spiderman, you don’t get canon events, period. And if canon events are so important to the fabric and stability of any given universe, why isn’t their total lack in Earth 42 completely devastating?

Note: There's this thing called absolute point in time, which is literally a canon event that is applied to individuals instead of a group of people. Anyways I think miles is a different kind of anomaly. His universe is intact because he's still spider man nonetheless and part of the web of life and destiny, meaning he is vulnerable to canon events. Earth 42 miles wasn't bitten yet and therefore no canon events. When the collider went off and wasn't supposed to in the original timeline in the final battle of itsv, it caused the multiverse disruption. As for miguel lying or being wrong, the spot is supposedly an anomaly because he wasn't supposed to exist. In what if episode 4, doctor strange tries to save christine, but whatever he tries, she'll just die in a different way because it's an absolute point in time. So I'm guessing even if the spot wasn't there, the inspector still would've died, just in a different way. Miguel's the leader because he has the multiverse technology from 2099 obviously.

Miguel also said that if Miles wasn’t bit, his Peter Parker wouldn’t have died, but do we know that? How do we know that if Miles wasn’t there, the same result wouldn’t have happened? It’s possible that he wouldn’t have died, but do we know that for sure? I think Miles’s Peter probably still would’ve died because it was Prowler who jumped him before he could shut off the machine and he was also fighting Goblin as well. We may never know.

I personally think that not just spider people experience canon events, but just people in general. Basically, all villains would have a canon event, Kingpin losing his family, The Spot getting hit by a bagel(?), And Miles, if he was never bitten by Spider-42, losing uncle, blaming Spider-Man for his death, and becoming the Prowler.

Miguel caused an incursion. The canon isn’t real. Well that’s what I’m guessing. I just think that there is a specific reason why when Miguel shows a hologram of what he describes as “EVERYTHING”, it’s no coincidence why it looks exactly like the sacred timeline from Loki after it started branching off.

In away, the Peter Park of earth1610 who died, was a bit of an anomaly or at least not cannon. He was happily married to Mary Jane and he was a well liked and repected hero. He seemed to have had a charmed life as Spider-Man. Where don't most Spiders end up as outlaws because of J. Jonah Jameson? But, I am not all that knowledgeable anymore in all things Spider-Man.

Miguel is the original anamoly

Is Miguel even supposed to be a Spiderman? In his backstory, we see that he gets his powers not from a radioactive spider, but because he injected something(?) into himself. Given how big of a deal this movie makes out of being bitten specifically as the impetus for becoming Spiderman, what does it mean for Miguel to not have been bitten at all?

\\\\\SPOILERS///// I think that the way that the "canon" works is that you can change the canon but you cant disrupt it. Pavitr's canon event was caused by an anomaly (The Spot) but it wasn't the reason why the dimension has a hole in it. It was caused by Miles saving the chief in Pavitr's universe, the canon was caused by something not from that universe, thus it was changed, but it was disrupted cause the chief didn't die if it was the spidermen and woman, would've seen the hole earlier. A great example of my theory is Mile's spider. If you pay attention to The Spot's origin story you can see that the dimension that Mile's spider comes from is from a dimension that, that dimension's Mile's was supposed to be bit, if that makes sense, but that fact matters A LOT. Because since the spider still bit Miles the canon wasn't disrupted, it was changed, even if it was a Miles from another dimension. But then you're probabaly thinking "Well Peter wasn't supposed to die in Mile's universe" and that's where you're wrong. SPIDERMAN wasn't supposed to be killed not Peter, and spiderman didn't die, because Miles was bit before Peter died, meaning that Miles was Spiderman and thus Spiderman never died, thus the canon wasn't disrupted, it was changed. Gwen's dad also didn't die beacuse he quit, the chief of police closest to Spiderwoman was supposed to die, not Gwen's dad, that's why he didn't die, the canon wasn't disrupted, it was changed. TLDR: So my theory is the canon can be changed, not disrupted. A good example is Mile's spider. The earth 42 Spiderman was supposed to be the Miles in that universe, but since our Miles got bit it still counts, since Miles Morales still got bit, even if it's in another universe. And Spiderman wasn't supposed to die in Mile's universe, not Peter, and he didn't, since Miles got bit before Peter died, he was Spiderman meaning Spiderman never died.

My theory is that Spider-Man 2099 isn’t a real Spider-Man he’s just a guy who injects himself with a liquid that gives him his powers in the end the only non technological thing about him are his teeth and his incredible eye-sight

Miguel is not a vampire, his fangs are actually filled with venom like a spider that can paralyze the Hulk or anything bigger than him. So for those who think he's a vampire, he's not read the Spider-Man 2099 comics or learn more about his comic origins on youtube.

Also gwen stopped her dad from being a cop but you know that might be different

Why does the universe collapse simply by saving someone from another universe? Wouldn’t a death that wasn’t supposed to happen also ruin the canon? If every Spider-Man’s story is foretold as canon, wouldn’t crossing dimensions and interacting with other Spider-People also be considered canon? If that’s not true, then wouldn’t simply crossing over to a different universe be breaking the canon? Wouldn’t Miles, the walking talking anomaly be corrupting everything he touches? Wouldn’t Spot? We are missing a bunch of details and I hope someone with more knowledge, like Madam Web, comes in to explain it.

But did you know that Miguel's half spider so technically he's more sqider than every single Spider-Man there is That's why he's the leader (and he has fangs and claws like a sqider)

In my opinion, every spider man has a canon of losing the sex of close people by villains and it is usually 2 men and 1 woman e.g. Peter B Parker lost his uncle captain stacy and gwen by villains Andrew Garlfield lost his uncle , gwen and captain stacy Tom Holland lost his uncle (or not), aunts and Tony Stark (captain), Peter P ( ps4) he losted aunt , uncle and jefferson because villans And Miles lost through the villain Kingpin - uncle Aaron And Peter Parker (which i think that was his captain)so miles should through Spot now lose one female character And I think it's Rio