Canon T5i 700D vs T4i 650D Are They The Same? 

Go with the t3i and install magic lantern. Use that extra money saved on a prime lens and you're all set to go. Now find yourself a model and you're a photographer :) lol

I just brought a used 650d (3000 actuations, hardly worn in!) I'm on a very tight budget and it was the first of the cameras I'd chosen as contenders (60d 650d 700d) that came up for sale within my budget. Also got a nice Canon 17-85mm f4-f5.6 if is lens with it, too. Your reviews were really helpful in that they showed me there's more that's the same on these cameras than is different. I really was glad to get the only one with a touchscreen. I wasn't married to wanting it, but now I have it in my hands it is self evident how much more useful it is. 650d is the winner in my books, simply for the touchscreen. Although initially it was a tough choice between that and the 60d for it's longer burst before the shutter lag kicks in, I came down on the side of the touchscreen. If you wanted to shoot more active subjects (especially things like skateboards or bikes doing tricks at the local ramp, track or or park,) then the 60d would be a smarter choice overall. You can't put much between them in image quality. First thing I did when I got the camera delivered at home was not pack up and go out shooting. I got online, googled Magic Lantern, watched a few videos on how to install it and how to use it, read no horror stories at all about it because I couldn't find any, then I made all my SD cards bootable and put ML on all of them. The quality of images the hardware provides and the added features Magic Lantern brought to capturing those images means for $500 I have a camera I'm going to spend a long time getting better on before I outgrow it. I just hope touchscreen comes to full frame before my next upgrade!

Rumor has it the reason for such similar cameras was lenses: Canon had to rush in and release the T4i without a "video-friendly" 18-55mm STM kit lens (the only lens in this category at the time was the 18-135mm STM). So, after coming up with the renewed kit lens, plus some factory recalls regarding the T4i's focus system, it was decided to release a "new" model alongside it.

Don't apologize for the rant. You were saying what all of us were thinking. And it sounds like I need to upgrade my Magic Lantern. That T3i can shoot raw now is excellent news. Now that if they could get rid of the audio auto gain...

Thanks for asking, not yet, I plan on making one in the fall.

Yeah, I work at Best Buy and we got notification that all T4i cameras were on recall because a few of the bodies had issues with the rubber grip rubbing off. They had been getting into some lawsuits from people who were having allergic reactions to the powder-like rubber residue. I haven't been allowed to sell a T4i for a few months now.

Sooo glad I got my T4i before it was discontinued. I love the touchscreen! Way easier to access and navigate menus than with the buttons.

Well, I am looking for a first DSLR, i was using Canon S5IS with CHDK and developed raw from it and learned how to improve my bad taken shots. But pursuing my new DSLR I was sure that Nikon D7100 will be my first one. After watching some other videos about 650D I started to change my mind but this fantastic video convinced me that 650D will be my first DSLR. Thank you very much. Of course, Magic lantern part totally left me speechless.

Dude, it's like you my mind with the T5i, Canon's innovation, and the Magic Lantern team! Get out of my head Dave...

thanks for the magic lantern bit, I didn't know that exist. I'll be sure to use it after I pick up my t5i

That was a rant? The youtube watcher in me is disappointed at you not flying off the handle. Seriously, you are a bastion of mellow dude. Thumbs up.

The T4i hasn't only been discontinued, but rather recalled. There was a small design flaw in the rubber grips when Canon upgraded this model from the T3i. It seems as thought the rubber grips in the T4i would turn white after a while and cause some minor skin irritation in the hands of the users. I have been lead to believe that the reason for the change to a T5i is mainly because of the new rubber pads. This is why the two cameras are mechanically identical. However, they had to change the rotational dial and make some VERY small software changes in the menu system to justify calling it a T5i.

Thanks for your review of the Canon T5i DSLR vs. the Canon T4i DSLR. Your review helped me to decide which DSLR camera to upgrade to. I bought the Canon T5i with the EF-S 18-55mm/f1:3.5-5.6 IS STM lens, and also bought the EF-S 55-250mm/f1:4-5.6 IS STM lens yesterday. BTW, the mode dial is a helpful innovation, at least, for me. I also immediately researched Magic Lantern and installed it to my new T5i, just gotta figure it out. Thanks, again!

I really enjoyed the rant. 100% Agree

I broke into the DSLR world with the T2i... 6 months before it stopped being made. Still love it though. Canon makes some awesome cameras.

If Magic Lantern had access to $800 million they would have probably created a stopper for the dailer :D

The only "problem" with that is what your goal is. I do stills, not just video, so the Canon Rebels work for me. The BMPCC is a great camera though from what I can see. But there is still a huge crop factor on that device. If anything, I'm going to save up and get a Mark III.

Dave, you hit the nail on the head with this video. Canon has really not been innovating lately, hopefully they see this video. Thanks!

Dave, rant any day you please! I spoke with Canon sale reps and they absolutely agreed with my rant on crop and full frame cameras in their line up. I wish I had watched this before going to that media expo...

I do not get to Your (or anyone elses) videos necessary quickly, but I do usually get to them. This video is exactly why I subscribe to Yours. Telling it like it really is, not being afraid to do so in fear of loosing whatever, is what I want (and expect) even if I don't like hearing it initially. However, I've learned a whole buncha lotta mostly, so TY for that.

It's still in development, especially for the brand new 700D. But you can compile the current source code and install it on your camera. Or you wait until they finally release the next stable version with official support for the 650D, 700D, 1100D and 5D Mark III ...

I know this video is a year old and the 7D Mk2 is on the horizon, but you are absolutely right. Canon is almost standing still while Sony et al have caught up and are actually beating them in some areas. I already know two pro togs that are moving over from Canon.

Dave, thank you for putting into words what many, many out there are thinking.

Very well done sir....I am now educated on this matter.

Now I know that there is no point spending an extra $500 on buying a 700d over a used 650d from eBay. Thanks man!

I love my T4i! It's my first DSLR and it works great!

I also heared that. Some problems with the rubber becomming white over time. They had such problems also on some older models. I totally agree with you Dave, Canon has to get their act togheter. The 18mpx sensor is a dinosaur. Hybrid CMOS sensor, puh.. I cant help it, but I kinda dont like the newer canon models. There is something sluggish about them. Dont misunderstand me, they are faster, but they feel a bit cheaper than they used to do.

Great rant! Exactly what needs to be said! The Magic Lantern guys are kicking their butt, big time!

Good thing I got my t4i last month, and I am loving it. Dave your the man! congrats on the 10 million views. keep doin it till the year 3000! I always learn something from your channel.

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Canon had a recall problem with the rubber grip on the t4i, so instead of updating the model, they just released and entirely new camera. Not really sure why they don't update models, but they just release a whole new camera.

They have about equal dynamic range, but that's not because of the 12-bit or 14-bit color. The 12- or 14- bits only refers to the number of different colors the picture can be made of.

i think it was a good rant. also i think it is funny they are discounting the T4i camera. most retailers on a lower lever such as, sams club, walmart, target, best buy, etc, or still selling the T3i on their selves at the store in my area. i've yet to see the T4i in any of their stores.

Same here --working at a camera store and got the recall notice. I still think they could've come out with something a bit more refined with the time that they had between the T4i and the T5i.

I Disagree with you big time Dave - re the dial turning all the way round. I have been after a 650D, or, and pref, a 700D for a while and been scouring e-bay. I favoured the 700 but saw a good deal on a 650D with handgrip and 4 batteries for a good price so bought that. I oft shoot in high dynamic scenes so will oft want to switch from Aperture priority to backlit HDR mode. Now if you're just doing that a handful of times no problems but when you're doing it quite a few times during a full days shooting the dial not turning all the way round becomes quite a pain in the @r5e as the settings are pretty much at the extremes of the dial I defo wish I had the 700 :(

Would be cool if you made a time lapse tutorial! I'm especially interested in how you edit and make your final video file.

FYI, $200M in R&D cost is not that much for a company the size of Canon. Let me give you some breakdown on the costs of bringing up a product: 1. Wafer Mask Set -- $5M per set, not accounting for revisions (to improve performance and yield) 2. Sensor package (ceramic, HiTCE) -- $300k 3. Qualification costs -- $500k This is just for the image sensor alone; if you factor in the rest of the camera, costs add up quickly. My source: me (I'm a Product/Packaging Engineer in the semiconductor ind)

Man I understand you. I like Nikon cameras and I had the same problem. There is a lot of opinions about both cameras on the internet. I bought Canon 600D for better movies. It shoot very good pictures. I've watched hundreds test movies and I don't regret my decision. If you only want to take a pictures at night, take a Nikon. In all other situations Canon is better choice. I hope this could I helped you :)

Image quality they are the same if you ask me from my tests. But the T4i has some nice extra features.

Hi Dave, I don't have any links, but I can confirm that there was an issue with the glue and the rubber of the grip reacting for some batches of T4i. Basically the glue was safe, the rubber was safe, but when combined, they formed a chemical that some people are allergic to. It does seem like Canon used this as an excuse to upgrade to the T5i with the new mode dial, and a new kit lens. I don't think the T5i is intended as an upgrade, unless you're allergic to your T4i :)

I think im going to check your T4i Video tutorial during the weekend

They are nice, but I would suggest the 18-135mm STM lens that you can get with the camera. I have it with the t4i. The auto focus is silent. I put my shotgun mic next to it and racked focus with out any noise at all. Both are great, but I would suggest the 18-135mm.

Hey man trust, me and some guys from boston feel the same way i hate it there making us pay so much for little changes happy were not the only ones that feel that way

thats not even a rant, those are genuine facts. Thank you Dave!! Legit videos always

I bought the t5i because of its price compared to t6i and 70D... :) The only problem I encountered is my class 4 SD card(freebie), t5i automatically stopped during video recording so I'm going to buy a new SD card (sandisk extreme 32 gig)

It was something seeing and hearing you rant! That's a first! But you hit it right on the head! It as if they feel as though if the camera model number changes, that more money in the bank. Don't even worry about new features.

when this video came out they probably didn't announce that t4i got recalled because grip caused allergy reaction at some people and that is why they came out with t5i which is actually t4i just with a different grip material :) Still love his videos :)

This is the BEST , now I will know how to use my camera and just helped me decide on buying t4i vs t5i Thank uuuuuu

Even his rants are good natured and casual!

Felt the same way Dave when I heard about the 700d release. It's a shame to see Canon starting to fall behind competitors, because they're banking on past success. I hope Canon will up their game with the release of the 70d and 7dii.

Great rant Dave. I agree, Canon should step up to the plate and release the RAW! :)

ML guys are the coolest, btw Canon Innovate in Lens Area, the STM are great, The best in the world, ...... but I agree their bodies are dissapointing

I have a 50mm 1.4, and I love that lens. I also want to pick up a Tokina 11-16mm lens later this year as well!

Yes, I want to try the pocket version first.

i agree 100% with your rant... canon should adopt magic lantern to develop interfaces for there camera's.. i know people that like nikon but buy canon coz' of ML so it's making them more sales.. keep up the good work..cheers

I have done a few raw videos, check them out on this channel.

Good points re the canon R&D and Magic lantern Dave!

nice review :) Also glad to see such people promoting magic lantern. those guys deserve donation increase :)

Nice rant! We need more like that to get Canon to listen to what we really want at a good price point.

Thanks for your true opinion Dave!

The only reason Canon even released the T5i was because of the recall on the T4i for the rubber cement that was causing some people to have an allergic reaction...same camera...they just had to dump the T4i.

it depends on your preferences :) look for some videos here and watch how cheap/expensive lenses work with Canon 600D.

Why the huge cost variance between the Canon 50mm f1.8, the f1.4, and the f1.2....Just crazy !

I can not wait to see the reviews on the Black Magic Production Camera! Hope to have one sometime next year.

Hey Dave I agree with you on the rant, however it can ALWAYS be worse! You could have a Nikon D90! Like I do! Don't get me wrong, it takes phenomenal photographs but the video... (sigh) I've been shooting new videos for my channel with much difficulty and issue being that there is no form of manual control other than f-stop. I've been comparing the T4i & T5i to see what the diff is. Thanks for clearing that up!

Thanks

I'm watching this 5 years later and Canon is still suffering from the same problem...

Good point mr Dugdale, But keep in mind that these cameras consumer cameras. More and more people want to DSLR, and can afford these types of cameras. For instance, I never use photo RAW mode on my 600D. I don't need to shoot pictures in Raw mode. Perhaps they did a survey, and found out that most customers (not pros) don't use raw. I do however like to film in Raw mode. :)

I love your style in these videos Dave.

I liked the rant about Magic Lantern lol. I use it on my 550D and it's just awesome. It only works when you have the memory card in which you have the ML software on. I changed SD cards the other day to one that didn't have ML on and I felt lost without it...Soon put it on that card when I got home though!

Out of curiosity. I see a lot of people say to double up on the exposure for video shooting. (24 FPS = 50 Exposure, 30FPS = 60 Exposure) When I look at my T5i, I see that the LOWEST it will go is the FPS set by the video. AKA, 24 30 60. Bla bla... What benefit is it to double up on the exposure for video? Or is that just a preference thing?

Just imagine if Canon hired the Magic Lantern team to develop the firmware for their next camera.... One can dream!

haha yep completely true, conveniently I'm going on a shoot where we will be using the three types of pro-summer models (600D - 700D) so it will be interesting to see if there is any internal difference at all. Black Magic has just done a mega price reduction on most of their gear, the only problem I have with the cameras is the interface is a little too basic.

The image quality will be the same, unless Canon releases a new sensor soon. Personally, I would get the 700d or whatever you were considering and good lenses, lights and audio gear.

A ver y good point: canon engineers staff vs magic lantern guys... a Supperb contribution thanks to this people

The way I understand it is that the 700D is a complete replacement for the 650D - they are the same camera, but issues people were having with the 650D have been fixed. That's why it has been discontinued. A comparison of the 70D and 60D will probably show a ton more innovation, especially since it has been years since the 60D came out, rather than the 9 month gap between the 650D and the 700D.

Check out the "RAW Video" section in the Magic Lantern forum. There's a whole thread about RAW video on the 600D. Or do you mean Magic Lantern in general? You can find many tutorials on how to install Magic Lantern on the T3i here on RU-vid. I like the one from MediaUnlocked most.

You are absolutely right, Dave!

So I guess I'll just buy which ever one I can find for cheaper.

Why did Canon discontinue the T4i when some people prefer it to the 700d ?

Yes, all Canon DSLR can shoot uncompressed 14-bit RAW videos with Magic Lantern. even the old 500D or 50D can do it. But some of them are better than others. The 5D Mark III can shoot 1920 X 1080 without problems and it's quality reaches the BMCC's one. But the 600D and 60D can only shoot at very low resolutions (~ 0.5 Megapixel) since they have such slow SD-Controllers. They are limited to 21 Megabyte/s write speed, full HD would require almost 90 Megabyte/s :(

I'm a Canon user, but I firmly believe that Canon needs a leadership overhaul.

to me the T5i has improved video capabilities over the T4i. when I compare their videos the t5i seems very different. although personally I prefer the t4i video colors than the t5i, I could see how people would really like the t5i video for vlogging as it's very realistic and good lighting

I think they only changed the model number because they bundled it with the new 18-55 stm lens. They needed a way to differentiate the model.That's my opinion :)

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Because development of Magic Lantern for the T4i has been going on a lot longer than for the T5i.

The R & D report shows shows 20,000 Million JPN Yen [20,000,000,000 ¥] for the first quarter of 2013. How does that equate to $800,000,000 annually?

The stm lens is actually fantasticly quiet!

Great review, you are right about Canon. Lets support magic lantern.

I wouldn't even think the mode dial could be made like this. I've never seen it lol.

Totally agree with you Dave Dugdale. I still use my T2i almost everyday since it came out and i didn't see major updates(except for the vari-angle lcd monitor witch i think is the only great update) So i wish the next Rebel comes with a full frame sensor with an environmental body shield, now i would re-consider buying a new camera.

I knew it was available, i didn't know i was available for the 600D. Thanks for the info! I'll definitely check it out.

The main difference between the 650d and 700d is the AF in video mode. The 700d is significantly faster to AF in video, which is only really good for home video people who are gonna use AF, not videographers, but that is the main innovation here. Cheers

I'll try but I am really busy right now.

I think the 100d is better than both with the new hybrid af that actually focuses quickly during vid

Hi Dave, recently I discovered your channel and I have to say that your videos like me too much, and If I saw this video before I've purchased my first DSLR I would never bought the T5i, probably I would bought the T3i. Thanks for your tips.

Even tho the number of MP is the same, the sensor in the T3i and the T4i is completely different. So what changed? They did all that to allow better auto focus during video with their new line up of lenses made specifically for that. It's a purely consumer feature as any pro would never use it but ya know. I'm still really frustrated by Canon. And the 5D mark 3 will be the last body I ever buy from them. I'd rather encourage people like the Magic lantern team with their BMCC. Great folks there

then I will buy cheaper 1 hehe , try to check the auto focusing noise if the have the same result :)

Epic rant. I've delayed my plans for upgrade or getting a b-cam forever because of these reasons. Ordered black magic pocket camera as my next camera now. I'd like a C100 or something but priced for prosumers not pros, but it seems canon isn't planning for prosumer video. Don't necessary need raw but I want details, and I want uninterrupted video for 20-30 minutes (I guess I can live with the silly EU 29min rule)

Dude, i loved your rant! I just subscribed to your channel! The world needs more people like you having the courage to speak up the truth!! You made me decide for the t4i and i will probably sell my t3i! Thanks!