CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR (2016) Movie Reaction! 

"Run run RUN fly fly FLY!" has been stuck in my head since we watched this 🤣

@@MegMage unrelated but just to make sure you see this message I replied here Tony: did you know? Steve: I didn't know *it was him* Tony: don't bullshit me I said did you k ow Steve: yes.. In winter soldier, when Steve and Natasha are trapped in the bunker with the Arnim Zola A:I computer Arnim talks about hydras new strategy of making the world a more dangerous place so the people give up their freedom willingly in the name of security. And finishes saying 'afterall... Accidents WILL happen..' and shows CCTV of the car crashing and newspaper headlines saying Tony's parents died in a car crash. Steve knew they were assassinated by hydra. Thats why he qualifies his answer as 'i didn't know IT WAS HIM". He's not lying. Nor quite lying through omission. But telling a very specific truth.

@@jgreen2015 I remember seeing that when I saw winter soldier in the theater and literally saying to my dad, “man hope tony doesn’t find out” 😂😂

@@jgreen2015 Yeah, when I saw it in the theater, I assumed when Zola said that about accidents and it showed Howard's picture and said deceased that he was one of the Winter Soldier's hits. My friend who I saw it with didn't pick up on it and when this part came in the movie, he was shocked that Steve knew. I was like, "Well yeah, Zola told him in the Winter Soldier movie." Some people pick it up but many don't because at the time, they hadn't revealed who the Winter Soldier was and therefore the implications of it.

@@ldkinbote i didn't even pick up that it was necessarily The Winter Soldier actually. But yeh so many people, even after this explanation, have been adamant that Steve was lying when he said he didn't know *it was him* and that he knew it was the winter soldier :/ Steve doesn't lie. He may be diplomatic about the truth. But he doesn't outright lie like that

Yeah, it is impossible to know what it is like to find out your mother and father were both murdered. Oh, and the guy who did it is standing five feet away from you. Who has time to process that?!

Beyond that Cap is arrogant and afraid in a very different way from Tony. When he says "we're not leaving this rock with one civilian on it" in Age of Ultron it was a profound personification of hubris fueled by guilt. Like frankly he should have been locked up for war crimes then risking tens of millions to billions who never gave him the right to make that decision for them, he who remains let them get lucky because that was a crazy decision. When he refuses to sign on to rules he believes may be unjust (even when they could obviously break them later, they have Tony's AI) he's being a moralizing jackass, unwilling to compromise to keep the peace because of the chance of something bad absolutely ensuring something bad will happen. He definitely votes 3rd party with that kind of mindset, never compromising your morality to be party to some amount of injustice that absolutely prevents greater evil. He doesn't want to live in a world with rules, rather one of personal trust and relationships he in fact wants it to need him cause its the only thing he's ever been good at because he never got a chance to try anything else after getting his powers. It's like Napoleon, or Otto von Bismark - a system that only works and can be trusted when under the influence of a great man who commands the respect of others is an institution that is doomed to fail. Being unwilling to countenance an institution that works well without him is a manifestation of his fear of going home and trying something he's scared he would screw up and hurt others in (like being in a relationship with Peggy or anyone else). He's absolutely more comfortable with dying than retiring until he see's it as his duty to try. Tony is scared of the fight, Cap is scared of there being a fight without him because he trusts himself and his team rather than anyone else. He's a good leader of a team, but a terrible leader of anything more than that. He's a captain, he's no general. It's always funny that people don't see that flaw in him because in a lot of American media we are show stories where desperate gambles work cause he's absolutely unable to appreciate the bigger picture or make necessary sacrifices the way Nick Fury is despite his own peace with death. PS: forgot to include my thoughts regarding what happened with Shield and HYDRA, but that absolutely convinced him institutions are corruptible and will fail if even Peggy's did - but that doesn't mean they aren't better than the alternative. Like Monarchy works great when the leader is great and republics are based on institution, and despite Tony's own cryptofascist tendencies (personal murderous drone army) Cap's is very Noblesse Oblige and aristocratic for the little guy. Institutions can always go bad, but failing to build them and believe in them is just as big if not a greater failure than allowing them to have too much power and be corrupted.

@@Souledex Riiiiiight. "Greater evil". Tell us again how Trump is Satan and a paid agent of Russia and blah blah blah, so we need to fall in line with Barack "In the 1980s I would have been considered a moderate Republican" Obama and Hillary "Proud Goldwater Girl [who met Dr. King and STILL campaigned for a segregationist)" Clinton and Joe "Private Prison Industry" Biden. If you vote for evil, you only get evil. If you don't have standards, there's no point in having opinions. Cap is RIGHT to have standards. His failure in this film is that he compromises his standards because wah-wah-wah, I love Bucky. He's all for protecting life (leave no Sukovian behind!), but if it's HIS pal who has to go to prison, well, then let's start making exceptions. Well, too bad. Bucky knew what he was doing. (He says he remembers every mission.). He went along with it because he gave into the pain, and who cares who dies? You either have morality, or you don't. Cap throws away his moral high ground (we need freedom! I can't be a government tool!) because he wants to give his snuggle-buddy a break. Feh. (Tony is driven by grief and he's overreacting, obviously. The death penalty is ALWAYS wrong [Joe Biden put FORTY new death penalties in that fascist "crime bill" of 1994]. But he's loyal to his mom. He's doing EXACTLY what Cap is doing, but at least he's honest about it. I have no problem with Cap having principles. I have a problem with his selling them out because Sebastian Stan has cute eyes.)

Only Tony’s side was more so LOGIC Steve was %100 driven only by his EMOTIONS telling him his pov was correct. Also, Steve knew what he was signing up for by joining the military back in WW2!! (Even though his decision to join the military was, once again, largely emotionally driven)

Tony himself was the “anti-govt” person (Remember, him not trusting Nick Fury or SHIELD?) What happened?- Tony GREW as a person and he acknowledged that he had to CHANGE! Cap is now where Tony was, only Cap feels like “no, I don’t HAVE to change, BECAUSE IM RIGHT!!” Tony thought HE was right too😒

So, Tony goes to war with his friends for a policy he deliberately violates himself (recruiting a CHILD SOLDIER and smuggling him illegally into and out of Germany and allowing him to work without meaningful oversight for years afterward, and you think he’s in the right?) He created a murder bot his friends had to stop and then blames THEM for the resulting chaos. Gets Wanda’s parents and brother killed and then neglects her mental health after she makes a tactical mistake that gets people killed, calling her a WMD and in no way having her back? Let me guess. You’re an Elon Musk fan.

Esp because cap knew. Tony believed Howard loved Cap more as a preferred son, and Cap betrayed his memory

@@MrKingYuji Cap is "God's Righteous Man" for him to know and hide that fact from Tony to spare him given how much Howard loved him and respected him is an incredible pill to swallow.

He probably was angry at him for killing his father, but he might not have attacked him if he didn't kill his mum. We know that he cared about his father because he felt terrible about the fact that he never said goodbye or conveyed the fact that he appreciated everything, which is shown in the B.A.R.F scene and also in endgame, he thanked his father for everything he had done

@@zbennalley I think Cap had a very strong guess that Bucky was the one ever since winter soldier but purposely never looked into it.

He does not like admitting that he loved his father.😂

Ikr 🤷🏻‍♂️😭😂

Except he didn’t lie

@@icegodsavior8885 watch it again. He didn't do it maliciously but it was blatant and obvious.

@@brownstarslots I’ve watched this movie more times than I can count. Nowhere did Cap lie. He gave deflective answer but he didn’t lie

@@icegodsavior8885 Dude🛑 He lied😅

@@THEbeautifuLIE No he didn’t

I mean, Tony is undeniably wrong. The scene where he manipulates Peter - Mr "with great power comes great responsibility" - into helping him proves it 1 - Peter wouldn't be on Tony's side if he knew the whole truth. Peter, and Cap, believe that with great power comes great responsibility. Tony, on the other hand, is arguing that SOMEBODY ELSE should have the responsibility. 2 - Tony's argument is, what? That he's worried that The Avengers might be irresponsible? HE TRICKED A 16 YEAR OLD KID INTO FIGHTING CAPTAIN AMERICA! The Avengers aren't irresponsible, Tony is 3 - The only reason New York isn't nuked is because The Avengers stopped it; the gov't wanted to nuke the city and call it a win. 4 - the gov't wanted to string up Bucky even though he didn't bomb the UN building, but the gov't didn't care: they simply wanted a scapegoat. Cap did what was right: he kept Bucky from harm until they could prove his innocence. The gov't - those who would've held power over The Avengers if they agreed to the Accords - didn't care about that at all.

@@SchulzEricT all valid points, but all things considered, do you think they should have no oversight or no system in place to help them stay honest? Like whats you solution when they personally mess up?

@@SchulzEricT The government didn't want to scapegoat Bucky, he was framed. If the investigation had happened, he'd have been found innocent. Ultron was Tony's fault because Wanda fucked with his head. Is there any check for that sort of thing? Cap's defense of Wanda (when Tony puts her in Vision's care) is "she's just a kid", and then he goes and beats up an actual 16 year old kid. Anyways, I don't even see why this movie is gets so much praise (actually I know why it does). The Avengers breaking up doesn't do anything because they team up literally in the next Avengers film. Accords are almost forgotten. The only other slightly big thing is T'Chaka's death, which does get addressed. But, I won't go on a rant about this, Honest Trailer and How it Should've Ended summarise it pretty well for this film.

@@paradox_4094 In a situation like this, I'm not sure there is a solution. Collateral damage is a result of The Avengers minimizing the damage that an external threat presents; take away the Avengers and that damage is still there, just worse. Perhaps form a team of people whose job is to supplement The Avengers, working to protect civilians while The Avengers deal with the threat directly? I mean, the only difference between The Avengers and our system of cops is that The Avengers, without oversight, deal with threats while cops, without oversight, steal kidnap and murder innocent civilians. All the MCU did was put a better, more powerful, more altruistic body in charge of dealing with these threats... but unlike with real cops, we can't spend money better by dealing with underlying issues in order to alleviate crime: in the MCU, supervillains aren't going to be eradicated by solving homelessness or poverty or hunger.

@@SchulzEricT lmao so you typed all that to say they shouldnt have oversight and the cops suck?

I agree Natasha literally said that, the only clear headed person who made a decision besides vision. Tony was guilty, Cap had a bad experience with shield, Rhodes was already a subject to the government, Wanda didn’t really have a say she just didn’t want to be caged and was helping cap prevent a disaster, and Sam was following his idol and didn’t want to be controlled. Natasha spit all the facts in this movie. Having on foot on the wheel to help steer and staying together is more important then how they stay together. It’s really a huge reason why they lost to thanos because they were split up and on different pages.

@@paulbrown9328 And Cap

Same. The accords aren't a terrible idea at first but they require enhanced individuals to give all information to the government and constantly wear a tracking device, and if they step out of line they go straight to the raft prison. Even at that point I was on team cap, and then I saw the crap with Bucky and I was like nah mate, there's no way in HELL I would be on team ironman

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Hypocrisy like that is why I always thought Iron Man was right in Civil War. Cap is acting completely selfishly

He knew about HYDRA. He didn't know it was Bucky. That's why he said "I didn't know it was him."

@@SchulzEricT He was lying, he knew it was him, he just didn't want to tell, Tony. That's why when Tony asked again, he said yes. The Zola computer in Winter Soldier tells us that Hydra has been eliminating people, they show Howard Stark followed by a picture of The Winter Soldier during that part of the dialogue.

@@thefearmakerlive He said "yes" the 2nd time because Tony wasn't asking if Cap knew it was Bucky, he was just asking if he knew his parents were murdered. Tony wasn't looking for the *real* answer to his question, he wanted an *emotional* answer; the whole movie was Tony acting on emotion while Cap acted thoughtfully, that was kinda the whole theme.

He knew it was Hydra not Bucky

@@SchulzEricT If you thought the whole theme of the movie was Tony acting emotionally and Cap being rational, then you missed the entire point of the movie. Why do you think they emphasised Steve being a man out of his time? Why do you think he froze when Rumlow implied Bucky was alive and failed to see him getting ready to blow them all up? Why do you think they killed Penny? So that when Bucky showed up right after Penny died, Cap would almost blindly latch onto him, so much so that he completely ditched his team "The Avengers" and went at it alone. The point of the movie is that they were BOTH acting on emotion. Tony on his guilt and Cap on his loneliness.

Totally get where you’re coming from! Our reasoning for his actions not making sense aren’t because they happened so long ago, but rather that they seem inconsistent with Tony’s character given his knowledge that Bucky was nothing more than a pawn for Hydra at that point. He was brainwashed and had no agency of his own. Time passed had nothing to do with it for us. If Bucky did it of his own will, we’d feel very differently. We just felt Tony’s rage overcame reason to a confusing degree.

@@shmayleb Oh hello! As far as my comment goes, I believe in the video Meg does mention that it didn't make sense to her because it had been years since Tony's parents had passed away and it would have made more sense if Bucky was a more immediate threat to Pepper's life, or even Steve's life. That's primarily the part my first comment was in reference to! But I understand where you're coming from. Yes, logically, Tony knows what Bucky had been through. However, emotions have a tendency to override EVERYTHING if the shock and trauma are enough. Logic and emotions are not always compatible. 😅 That's the main point I was trying to make. It being Tony's parents and him directly witnessing their murders on video, it was *extremely* personal to him in that moment. I mean I can relate it to T'Challa as well, he had been chasing revenge for almost the whole movie. He needed time and the truth before he was able to let it go and see how it poisoned the others, and decided that death was too easy for Zemo. If he had gotten a hold of Zemo right after his father had died, he would have killed him 100%, I mean he certainly was trying to kill Bucky. But T'Challa had the benefit of time so that he could see more clearly later. Tony had *just* found out his parents were murdered and immediately attacked. Anger and hurt are potent fuels for revenge, because after all Tony is still only human, is all I'm saying. 🙂

@@Steele-Wool hello!! Absolutely awesome astute analysis. I love how Marvel never sacrifices the humanity of these characters. One of the many reasons Marvel is a comfort in such nonsensical times. Thanks for your input ☺️

@@shmayleb thank you 😅 I tend to ramble so sorry about the essay lol But yeah, I love these movies & characters, and I'm glad you guys have been enjoying yourselves and falling in love with these characters and stories as well! I hope you keep having fun! Thank you for talking with me, have a nice day!

I didn't remember that it was revealed Bucky did it, just that HYDRA did it. I'll have to watch that scene again.

@@folcotook3049 it was a quick cut but it was heavily implied so that’s how I took it Lol

@@TheComicNerd97 Nah, otherwise the viewers would also catch it, but literally no one did at the time, plus i think it was never confirmed that Captain America knew it was Bucky, it was confirmed that he knew it was Hydra and not an accident.

It was possibly implied. It was never explicitly said. Cap never actually knew it was Bucky that killed the Starks but he knew that it was likely to have been Bucky.

Tony doesn’t even follow the accords himself, he still does what he wants

@@bet0v966 that's exactly one of my points why I agreed with Tony. Even with the accords they are still the avengers and they have been known to break rules especially if it was something necessary. They could do whatever they want or tony could find a way around it.

Grounding and isolating Wanda doesn't mean she will all of a sudden gain control over her powers. She is a human at the end of the day. Same with Hulk. Targeting them and worsening their emotional state is not good in itself, but more importantly they deserve emotional support by virtue of being a human.

@@kronikevaporation6007 tell that to someone whose family member died by her hands.

Yeah Tony was based here, i get what the movie was trying to tell us, but it doesnt work when individuals cant solve collective problems.

I don't get that either

He watched the Brainwashed winter soldier not the real person known as Bucky.

@@JadeK297 brain washed winter soldiers who is Bucky

@@JadeK297 still tho. It’s hard looking at the same guy killing your parents brainwashed or not. At that moment you’ll probably be too angry to reason. Which is why I don’t understand how they think Tony’s motives were bad or not good enough?

because this woman here is a pathetic fangirl of Captain america and Bucky and it's always Tony's fault. She blamed Tony for Ultron and has been ever since.

Loving because of the dedication!

Same, I wish I could be on Steve's side completely because of course you can't give up full control to the government, but then seeing how much damage they caused not only to the structures but also innocent people when fleeing instead of first trusting someone with the resources to back you up, who has supported you and who has been your teammate/friend for a while, ("we'll lose" "we'll do that together too") I just couldn't put my trust in Steve's actions. So then that leaves us with the lesser evil, or at least the evil that we know. This movie if anything just proved to me that neither side was right, and I don't agree with neither of them still, but that final 'fight' and when you analyze all the reasons that lead to that, man, I just can't help but feel betrayed.

Team Cap, because there's no way in HELL you trust the UN.

Hulk destroying buildings unnecessarily is something they could change

@@bruhhh8326 They can’t. That Hulk was a 7 feet tall raging monster that weighs 1,500lbs. In war there’s always destruction, same with this and more because these are powerful characters. You either have destruction and gets to live or let Loki enslave humans, Ultron extinct the human race, or let Thanos win and never get your family and friends back. The accords are trash and doesn’t make sense, even team Iron Man doesn’t even follow it, all of them are hypocrites. Tony broke the accords in this movie like twice, also T’Challa and Natasha, and Spider-Man was a brainwashed kid by Tony so yeah…Zemo played their shitty system but yeah let’s trust the government when it’s clear that they can’t fight these fights, The Avengers are the only ones that can. Look at the scene with Zemo triggering the Winter Soldier, Bucky could’ve escaped if he wanted to, the government can’t do shit with these individuals. “There was an idea, Stark knows this, called the Avenger Initiative. The idea was to bring together a group of remarkable people, to see if they could become something more. See if they could work together when we needed them to to fight the battles that we never could."

@@reynaldolorenzo8409 doesn’t change that hulk still killed people if it happened in real life you think everyone will forgive them

@@bruhhh8326 He didn’t killed anyone in Avengers Assemble, IW, or End Game, he only probably did and injured a lot of people in AOU and it wasn’t his fault, it was Wanda that was messing with his mind. Blame Tony, Ultron and Wanda for everything that happened on AOU, Hulk didn’t do anything bad except for the destruction of buildings on Avengers Assemble and that’s it, but it’s either that or being enslaved.

@@reynaldolorenzo8409 you do know that iron man is in avenger right

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I was.... in college. So same to you! 😉

I think the pair's egos and the events leading up to this film are what makes me side with Tony. He has repeatably been humbled and proven wrong throughout his journey to this point. Ultron (and to some extent Aldrich Killian) has made him realise he can't be the lone wolf of the group, which is why he fights so hard to keep all the avengers together. Steve on the other hand has only been proven right up to this point. He was right about SHIELD's tesseract plans, the helicarriers, Bucky's conditioning. He has reached a point where he trusts only himself. Breaking up the avengers and physically hurting the people he was friends with didn't faze him, he's the captain after all and they're deserting.

I’m ecstatic I wasn’t the only one viewing her comments this way. We (society) have become utterly ridiculous w/some of this stuff. . .

@@THEbeautifuLIE Agreed 💯 sadly

Dont you love your friends?

But people tend to look past Steve’s immaturity as well. His ego of what I do is right led to some bad decision making on his part. It’s understandable that you would be suspect towards government control. But just saying fuck it, imma do what I want to do is crazy. That’s zemos entire point about super soldiers. They always tend to head down this inherit path of self destruction and selfish ego driven conquest. Being able to do as u please with superpowers just always leads to chaos and catastrophic consequences. And caps problem here is that he never has to deal with any consequences. He’s a solider. He does what he does, sometimes innocent people get hurt in the process, and he just moves on to the next mission. Well Tony is not afforded that luxury. He has to mingle with government agents. He’s around the everyday people often. He runs a internationally known business. And not too of that, he funds ALL of the avengers operations. So he ends up having to take the large blunt of the drama behind closed doors, and that’s not fair to him. He causes enough trouble on his own. But now he’s responsible for anything anyone if the avengers do. And people are looking at him crazy for. Doing the right thing and trying to find a compromise instead of going rouge. Morally cap may be right. But his actions don’t speak for that in this movie.

@@TheIcemanthomas Steve isn’t immature just because he acts against the accords. I agree that both sides could’ve handled the situation better. But Steve was still acting to save someone. He also admitted that what he kept from tony was wrong and that tony isn’t wrong and people should do what they believe in. And it’s not about fuck it imma do what I want because Steve wasn’t inherently wrong, he was trying to save someone who had been brainwashed and wrongly accuse of murdering a UN leader. Orders were to kill someone who was brainwashed and innocent in the murder of the king and done with that life. So that’s why I think what steve did was right but, not signing the accords isn’t a bad or good thing for the team and the world. But I think it puts them in a better position having people in the government and outside undercover. Natasha said it best one foot on the wheel and the other doing it’s own thing. A team for the public and whole team needed to prevent catastrophic events. Like mace and coulson in agents of shield.

@@TheIcemanthomas He said "I"m gonna do what's RIGHT."

@@TheIcemanthomas Caps actions in this movie were a direct response to the government mishandling Bucky(except for the beginning scene) There’s a whole scene where he talks with Falcon about what they’re going to do now that they ‘quit’ the avengers. And then the whole thing with Bucky happened and Cap found out they intended on killing Bucky without his human right to due process. Even after getting arrested he tried to go about it the right way by asking for a lawyer for Bucky but he was promptly denied

Yep but not who it was.

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Exactly, & it would’ve been way worse for Sam. Vision’s beam kept going after it passed through the War Machine chest plate. This means if it had gone through the boosters on the Falcon suit from the angle it was coming from, the beam would’ve either gone through the pack & then through Sam’s chest or his head 💀

@@bet0v966 he literally said "turn him into a glider"

Even i am a Cap fan but who said that he was an orphan?? 😂😂, His father was in army and her mother (Sarah roger) was probably a nurse

@@yashwardhanjaiswal6713 I might be mistaken but I read somewhere that Bucky took him in I could be wrong

@@xxraptorxx8180 Bucky asked him to move in with him after Steve’s mom died, but Steve wasn’t an orphan.

Tbf to BvS the conflict was entirely made up and heavily manipulated by Lex and Bruce's paranoia. Once that was solved there was no reason to fight especially with a bigger threat on the way. Love both movies tho, especially the way the world and media saw Superman in BvS.

I’m a cap Stan but I agree he was very selfish with tony and the accords. I think the only person that was level headed about the situation was Natasha. She made the most sense and didn’t make a decision based on her feelings or personal experiences. Tony was guilty, Rhodes was already a subject to the government, cap had a bad experience with shield, Wanda didn’t even have a say, and Sam was pretty much following his idol. But I don’t think cap made the wrong/bad move. Like Natasha said having one foot on the wheel to help steer and one outside the system undercover. Staying together is more important then how they stay together, she spit knowledge because a huge reason why thanos won is because they were all split up and on different pages. Edit: vision was also level headed but I forget to count him and made better points and a wise decision.

You love this movie because you didn't understand it?

@@paulbrown9328 Neither did Cap. The movie showed that he took his time and thought about his decision. He made it with his head, not as an emotional reaction.

@@SchulzEricT bro cap was still biased in his decision making, if winter solider didn’t happen cap wouldn’t have made that decision. Just because he thought about it doesn’t mean it was a level headed decision. He went rogue not just in his government but against the entire world. He had good reasons but it’s still irrational.

@@paulbrown9328 Thinking that he should do the right thing even though other people disagree with him isn't irrational. Disagreeing with a corrupt gov't is far from "irrational". That's what the scene at Peggy's funeral (wake? whatever) explicitly stated.

Too bad the writing was so trash

Also you need to know that she sat like that for FIFTEEN MINUTES, staring at us, and we didn’t even notice. I was shocked during the editing process 🤣

@@MegMage you should edit a RU-vid short where the sound of you guys reacting fade away while you zoom in on her staring at you with creepy music playing.