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Captain Nemo's Viewscreen: the bridge of the Enterprise-D considered 

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'Star Trek: The Next Generation' introduced us to a new Enterprise, and a new starship bridge design. It was comfortable, and had a big view-screen. Curiously, its appearance lends itself to the same analysis as applied to the Nautilus of Jules Verne's 'Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea'. In this video, we ponder the bridge of the Enterprise-D.
Ship's wake video by Larry White of Pixabay.
Music (RU-vid Music Library): 'Zodiac Structures', by NoMBe; 'No. 7 Alone with My Thoughts', by Esther Abram; 'Bach Cello Suite No. 1, G Major, Prelude’, by Cooper Cannell.
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@MozTS
@MozTS 3 месяца назад
7:40 over the years mike at red letter media has pointed out all the dramatic shots of everyone rushing to the bridge and noting which characters are stepping out of the toilet door, implication that they were ordered to action stations mid-shit
@tiomoidofangle102
@tiomoidofangle102 Месяц назад
Mid-shift and mid-shit differ by only one letter. Coincidence? I think NOT!
@Cauin450
@Cauin450 3 месяца назад
The Liberator from Blakes 7, now that was a nice touch.
@EnigmaticPenguin
@EnigmaticPenguin 3 месяца назад
One of the things established outside the main canon is that bridge assignments, given their LCARS display nature can be swapped at the discretion of the captain. For example, on the Galaxy class USS Dauntless in Star Trek Bridge Commander, science and engineering shared the tactical rail and tactical and conn occupired the forward stations (probably for gameplay reasons). Encounter at Farpoint even featured OPS and the CONN in opposite places. In my head canon, tactical is slightly out of the way of the captain's view because Picard see's the forward stations as being the focus of their mission and tactical as a secondary concern. I did like the evolution of the E bridge where tactical became a flanking station and the senior offers moved closer to the MSD. I felt like it was a more practical design, but it defintely lost that theatrical aspect you discussed. Also, I visited the Vegas replica of the bridge back in 2005ish, and you're right - it's difficult to see the person behind you from the chair at a steep angle. It's defintely a cinematic conceit.
@FixableCell
@FixableCell 3 месяца назад
You should do a video on the different variations of this bridge I think that would be really cool to see all the minor or major details in each different episode as in most parallel episodes the bridge looks different
@ironsides982
@ironsides982 3 месяца назад
The ENT D viewscreen needed to be large so that the person or persons face from the other ship looked big (and readable) enough relative to a wide shot. How many shots do we remember from near the captains chair or behind the tac station looking forward? A smaller screen would have been unreadable from those angles. My conclusion is that the size of the screen was directly related to the size and filming requirements of the production, particularly when multiple actors needed to be in the shot at the same time along with whomever was on the main viewscreen. If the bridge was smaller, then the screen could have been closer in size to the viewscreens on other Fed ship bridges.
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker 3 месяца назад
Defiant's screen was quite small and almost triangular. I don't recall any scenes in which Sisko et al were placed next to it. We seem to only see it in cut away shots. Then there's the Sutherland with Data in charge. Absolutely tiny! It would be a medium sized flat screen TV, today. Some have speculated that the set should be considered Sutherland's battle bridge, but even so, a normal human (lacking Data's acute vision) probably couldn't have read the symbology shown on it from the captain's chair. And again, we never saw it except as a cut away shot. These two screens don't feel like proscenium arches so much as props, or set dressing.
@ironsides982
@ironsides982 3 месяца назад
I'll bet that since the drama on DS9 was usually on the station itself and a large bridge wasnt an option on a small ship like the Defiant, the writers just worked with what they had. I wonder what space and sound stage issues the production teams ran into that dictated the size of sets from the Next Gen era.@@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker 3 месяца назад
@@ironsides982interesting point, especially given that we also only see the ops viewscreen as a background or in cut away. Its actual size on set could have been tiny, and it certainly wasn't the focus of action or the primary means of the crew and audience understanding events. Most of the time Dax or O'Brian were looking at a console and narrating, then we cut to an external shot. The focus of ops was the table and the people gathered around it. This is interesting considering that the Ent-D was apparently designed with the engines intentionally lower than the saucer to emphasise the same focus (on the people) and the lounge style bridge, likewise.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 3 месяца назад
@@lukedogwalker I believe the Ops viewscreen wasn't even part of the set, and was a miniature they cut-away to. With the few times the characters were in shot, composited in. Definitely the big screen in the Cardassian central command (in "Defiant") was done this way too, but I'm 90% sure the main Ops one was done that way all along. As to the Defiant's viewscreen, there's definitely a few shots where it's visible over Sisko's shoulder. But he's usually standing next to Dax's forward station, or O'Brien's forward-ish engineering station, when they do so. I do really like the shape of the Defiant viewscreen.
@starsnake8176
@starsnake8176 3 месяца назад
Very neat video. Also I greatly prefer a viewscreen over the giant window of modern trek...
@mb2000
@mb2000 3 месяца назад
Seconded.
@starsnake8176
@starsnake8176 3 месяца назад
@@mb2000 Yeah, a window is just dumb!
@mb2000
@mb2000 3 месяца назад
@@starsnake8176 Wasn’t there a bit in one of the new shows, STD probably, where they were being blinded by a bright light from outside and they couldn’t do anything about it because they stupidly put a window in instead of a viewscreen that you could turn the brightness down on or just turn off altogether!?
@starsnake8176
@starsnake8176 3 месяца назад
@@mb2000 There might be. I haven't watched the new trek, the previews where all I needed to see.
@starsnake8176
@starsnake8176 3 месяца назад
@@mb2000 There could be. I haven't watched discovery or strange new worlds... The previews where all I need to see to know I don't like them.
@guillermodiego819
@guillermodiego819 3 месяца назад
You keep bringing the most unexpected and fascinating analogies and ideas. Keep them coming and thank you!
@mb2000
@mb2000 3 месяца назад
7:04 This is true, but consider Generations; Worf finally got a chair, and the ship got destroyed! What’s even more odd about the bridge toilet is that sometimes you see people, maybe even two, come out of there to take over positions as other characters leave the bridge. So were they just sat in the bathroom waiting to be assigned a station!?
@lukedogwalker
@lukedogwalker 3 месяца назад
Perhaps they use the toilet transporter to beam in from another deck... because in a world that has site to site transporters, why would you ever want to grunt and strain like a primitive ape? Especially when Tomalak might hear it! The only civilised thing to do is beam it straight out. And this, perhaps, finally explains what the three sea shells are for 😉
@vorlon010
@vorlon010 3 месяца назад
while I'm unsure what (if any) canon sources it was based on, the unfinished 3d-tour-game of he the Big E, Stage 7, showed the conference room door leading down a flight of stairs (ish) to the conference room on a lower deck. It's possible the head was a similar arrangement, or that the directors got the doors muddled up when shooting.
@travissmith2848
@travissmith2848 3 месяца назад
Perhaps the restroom was actually that? Rather than a simple place to handle bodily functions there was a full relief room back there with chairs, a couple tables, the WC itself, and a replicator. A small but nice employee break room.
@percussion44
@percussion44 3 месяца назад
Let's be clear, in the Sci/Fantasy of star trek there would be no reason for people to use their rectums for elimination anyway. One sits at a commode with medical and transport scanners and waste is beamed directly out of your sigmoid and into the matter pods of the engines for reaction mass or to the replicator for recycling. You have to think after generations of living that way, the idea of replicating steak and potato's from yesterdays dump material would seem completely normal to these people and not nauseating at all.
@TakumiFujiwara80
@TakumiFujiwara80 Месяц назад
@@percussion44 exactly can teleport people. You simply teleport a person without his/her feces. Or without cancer. Teleport is not means just for trasportation, it has a lot of application. You could be litterally "virgin in the back" thank to that.
@cloverfield911
@cloverfield911 3 месяца назад
7:30 Oh!! You had me litteraly laughing out loud!!
@brenatevi
@brenatevi 3 месяца назад
My wife asked me what I found so funny.
@Todd.P
@Todd.P 3 месяца назад
I love the Nautilus!!!
@barryelverson9486
@barryelverson9486 3 месяца назад
To be honest, I thought of the E-D bridge was a small movie theatre. Everyone was pretty much facing forward at a huge screen. The rear consoles seemed to be barely used in that first season, except for deeper study of something by Data, otherwise Worf a deck officer was there alone. I know that was designated as rather WC officially, but watching it and seeing people seem to head off to other parts of the ship, I thought of it as the way off the bridge, while the other was a corridor that led only to the conference room. It is definitely the Enterprise I’d rather be on. Bright, comfy with lots of recreation available including holocecks.
@ServantOfOdin
@ServantOfOdin 3 месяца назад
Well, most of the time, Picard merely tilted his head a bit when addressing Worf at tactical. But I recall some rare incidents when he turned the entire chair, though that may only have been once or twice and I cannot recall the episodes name. Though then again, there were also incidents he made an effort to not to turn the hair but turn sideways sitting, emphasising his (dis)position in the overall situation. And then there are numerous times when Picard or Riker already stood, either directly before their chairs or closer to the viewscreen, when addressing Worf or anyone on the upper aft area, so "looking up" was already fairly minimal.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 3 месяца назад
Funnily enough Data turned the chair all the way around more than Picard. I always wondered why they didn't do that more often.
@ServantOfOdin
@ServantOfOdin 3 месяца назад
@@kaitlyn__L or ot Was him, yea. I just recall it being done.👍🏻
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 3 месяца назад
@@ServantOfOdin it was only a couple times, and Data was wearing red on one occasion - totally understandable to assume it was Picard. The important thing is it can indeed spin! 😊 I have to wonder if it required set crew to spin it, otherwise they’d do it all the time surely?
@blethigg9320
@blethigg9320 3 месяца назад
A very interesting study. Thank you.
@Foomandoonian
@Foomandoonian 3 месяца назад
Oh, the proscenium arch observation is interesting. In some concept art for the bridge I remember the viewscreen was in fact arch-shaped.
@rafale1981
@rafale1981 3 месяца назад
Your most high concept video yet, nicely done!!
@misanikolic1096
@misanikolic1096 3 месяца назад
I recall that the "centre stage" was raised up with a couple of steps for Star Trek: Generations, specifically in order to bring Picard and Worf's faces closer together on screen. That way they could have closer shots that still captured both actors. (But then, it was reverted to its previous appearance for Picard...aaaargh!)
@TONYGILLEY
@TONYGILLEY 3 месяца назад
I love the design of the Enterprise-D bridge including some of the variants that were shown (fake futures, alternate timelines, and what if realities) throughout the seven-year run of TNG. That said, I actually do prefer the updated version seen in "Generations" the port & starboard stations give the bridge a busy atmosphere despite somewhat taking away from the Living Room feel of the set; Worf finally getting a chair was a nice touch that was long overdue. LOL! My only complaint about that redesign was the elevated command center, I understood why it was raised for cinematic purposes, but it did take away from the Living Room aspect. As for her Viewscreen, I still think it's the right size of big for any Starfleet ship to have. I'm not a fan of the oversized viewscreens (or bridges for that matter) seen on Nu-Trek, more so of the Window/Viewscreens of the CRAP JJ Abrams films. A complaint I've often heard is the placement of the bridges being an easy target in Star Trek, yet NOW you have windows that practically scream BULLSEYE for potential enemies to target.
@algi1
@algi1 3 месяца назад
I think the captain could easily see the tactical officer's face by leaning back, turning the head upwards. But that would look awkward.
@JimmyBlether
@JimmyBlether 3 месяца назад
I can see a Liberator analysis coming up
@metaplante
@metaplante Месяц назад
I'm sure that active noise (and odor) reduction techniques will be very sophisticated in the future... At least, I hope so... It also makes me think of Japanese bathroom customs, with their music to drown out the noise and their mini incense sticks and/or perfume sprays, to cover up the smells...
@SamwiseOutdoors
@SamwiseOutdoors 3 месяца назад
Please do explore the development of the Enterprise-D's bridge in a later video!
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield 3 месяца назад
Great analysis of the design. As for the captain's chair it can definitely rotate left and right (not sure if all the way around) so that would make speaking to the tactical officer easier. Giving Worf a chair though starts you off on a slippery slope... What's next, seatbelts??? 😁
@patrickradcliffe3837
@patrickradcliffe3837 3 месяца назад
6:53 this was conscious decision having tactical officer standing. By standing they would have to be more alert then sitting. Second is more nautical reason that someone on their feet while ship is rolling beneath them has a better spatial orientation then someone sitting and would still be able react then someone that was thrown out of a chair because of ship interial dampers could not keep up.
@IxDeepOne
@IxDeepOne Месяц назад
The tactical station is situated where the officer has the captain's left ear, while the executive offer has his right. The captain need not turn his head towards tactical while seated. Priority for the captain's eyes were given to the exec and the counselor, instead. In a tactical situation, the captain's eyes are needed for the viewscreen and his own armrest controls. Eyes toward tactical are thus given to the exec, sitting far from tactical and with a better vantage point to see the officer behind the arch.
@kaitlyn__L
@kaitlyn__L 3 месяца назад
I always thought of the Galaxy-class less as a plush hotel, and more as one of those plush yet sterile office spaces. With the couches and blinds everywhere, attempting to feel like a home, but nevertheless clearly still a huge expanse of Work. In this regard the Ready Room is equivalent to the CEO's private office, at the top of the building.
@SaturnCanuck
@SaturnCanuck 3 месяца назад
Interesting essay. Ok, you opened the door. Face to face, who would win? Enterprise or Liberator?
@Vanessinha91Pucca
@Vanessinha91Pucca 3 месяца назад
Sebeok, great Vulcan name
@lnutt677
@lnutt677 3 месяца назад
When I first saw the D bridge, I thought it looked exactly like the interior of an 80s Ford Taurus.
@KainiaKaria
@KainiaKaria 3 месяца назад
Just imagining a constipated Captain Picard in the bridge's bathroom trying to make a "Captain's Log." "Captain's Log supplemental! I am unable to take a shit!"
@thethirdchimpanzee
@thethirdchimpanzee 3 месяца назад
I think that you are way way too optimistic thinking that there would a copy of "The Winds of Winter" on the Enterprise-D. George R.R. Martin is *still* going to be "working on it" even in the late 24th century. There *might* be a copy of it at Starfleet H.Q. in the 32nd century.
@Solitaire001
@Solitaire001 3 месяца назад
Unfortunately, the only copy of it was saved in Wordstar 4.0 on 5.25" floppy discs. The only way to open it is to travel to the 1980s, obtain a PC, with a copy of Wordstar 4.0.
@TurtleTrackin
@TurtleTrackin 2 месяца назад
Digestive difficulty would have been resolved in Roddenberry's vision of the future. No one got the "runs" on the Enterprise D.
@user-mj5dw7qy8t
@user-mj5dw7qy8t 3 месяца назад
My favourite is the 2nd Doctor played by Charles Hawtrey :)
@user-mj5dw7qy8t
@user-mj5dw7qy8t 3 месяца назад
3rd Doctor by Rik Mayall
@user-mj5dw7qy8t
@user-mj5dw7qy8t 3 месяца назад
4th Doctor by Boris Johnson
@lonknight3197
@lonknight3197 3 месяца назад
Trying to contact " We Travel by Night" Have a question that seems to be your expertize, What was the actual size of the Spindrift ship on Land of the Giants. They had trouble sticking to a single size scale on the show. If you can answer if would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 2 месяца назад
I feel like the audio was a bit muffled in this one. Great analysis of a great bridge, but it was a bit hard to understand you sometimes.
@tonep3168
@tonep3168 3 месяца назад
Do toilets even exist in Star Trek???
@Randall1001
@Randall1001 3 месяца назад
I hated this bridge (and the D) from the first time I saw it in 87. Leaving the design of the ship aside... the bridge, to me, looked like the lobby of some cheesy hotel, like a cookie-cutter Best Western. The ugly overall beige tones, the way it was overlit... it just looked false, chintzy, and cheap. The design made no sense either, with so few stations actively manned or even clearly delineated, and then with the useless chairs alongside the captain, as though admitting that they didn't know what to do with other officers on the bridge. Riker's job is to just sit there, waiting for something to do. It added to the sense of it being more of an ugly, soulless hotel lounge or lobby where people sit around waiting for something to happen. It's telling that other Star Trek series (and eventually the TNG movies) corrected these awful design mistakes by returning to bridges that actually looked seriously functional.
@leonardmccoy9178
@leonardmccoy9178 3 месяца назад
Why is the enterprise facing off with the liberator
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