Carbon Wheel Testing - Zipp vs E*Thirteen vs Crank Brothers

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So many choices for carbon MTB wheels! We put the Zipp 3zero Moto, E.13 LG1R EN & Crank Brothers Synthesis E11 head to head to compare what they feel like on the trail and the subtle differences between some of the best carbon mountain bike wheelsets out there. Some brands like e*thirteen components have stuck to the traditional "box style" design for their LG1R EN wheelset to create an extremely stiff and responsive wheel. Other companies such as Zipp, have gone the complete opposite direction by creating the Zipp 30 Moto carbon rim designed to "flex" or be "compliant" and actually adsorb some of the harsh impacts often felt while riding chunky terrain. Looking for something right in the middle? Crank Brothers has you covered with their Synthesis E11 Carbon wheelset which features uniquely tuned front and rear wheels designed to offer both stiffness and compliance in just the right way. Sure, this all sounds great but how do they actually perform out on the trail? We decided to find out for our-self and hit the hills to do some back to back runs with all three carbon wheelsets. If you are considering upgrading to a set of carbon mountain bike wheels, this is the video for you!
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@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

What wheels are you currently running on your bike? Let us know!

@woodyalwayshardboner3403 4 года назад

Worldwide Cyclery syncros x24

@BryantKHill 4 года назад

29” Nox Farlow with 36 spokes. I’m a big dude at 270 lbs and they are stiff perfect

@go4jay29 4 года назад

Sc Reserve w/CK hubs for both trail and DH

@hardmtnbiker 4 года назад

Worldwide Cyclery wide aluminum rims i30 to i40 width depending bike tire combo. On my more miles trail bike I have i30 rear with 2.4 tires and i35 with 2.5 tires front. On my SS rigid rig I have i35 with 2.6 and i40 with 2.8 tires front. All wheels are 3x db spokes with Hadley or Hope hubs. Having a supple feel is my priority and since I ride hardtails it really helps having aluminum. Plus it’s cheaper and easier to buy and swap to new rims as I need.

@leonardonibal5012 4 года назад

Im currently running spank spike 33 vibrocore rims with i9 torch hubs i wanted to change my rims into noble but i still dont have enough budget for it.

@175thStreet 4 года назад

Stoked on this vid! Just cool topic to see dissected.

@BrianVaughn 4 года назад

I've got Nobl TR 38s on my bike and really love my carbon rims.

@AntonioReyes-kc1ts 4 года назад

What about Santa Cruz reserve

@filmerjared3950 4 года назад

Surprised you didn't do WeAreOne carbon wheels

@zxtenn 4 года назад

I have a 2018 Spectral 6.0 AL and factory wheels were M-1900, I wanted to drop some weight and got a great deal on a set of 2019 Mavic XA carbon wheels. 1st thing I noticed was how SMOOTH they were over the M-1900, if you look closely you'll see extreme offset so not sure if that is for strength or compliance or both but so far so good with them and love that 40 tooth hub engagement, saved 250 grams too, 1900 vs 1650

@jmanswat2457 4 года назад

Spank vibrocores, yeah! Love these reviews. Helps me decide for myself and recommendations for customers at our shop.

@manuelgarcia1835 4 года назад

Wait wait, no Santa Cruz Carbon Reserves???

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Unfortunately not this time. There are literally dozens of good wheels and we can only test so many at once 🙉

@yakbiker75 4 года назад

I'm loving my zelvy wheels, they feel great, not flexi or harsh considering I'm 110kgs (fully kitted), was 130kg at my heaviest. Riding rocky East Kootenay's terrain and also with rimpact front and rear. No cracked rims yet and I'm definitely not light on the bike. 28psi f , 30psi r.

@riammey 4 года назад

Okay I’m happy, I do weigh 188 lbs and run lg1r wheels and I was gonna say they don’t feel that stiff, just nice enough to support me without flexing too much. I also race which makes me wanna ride a lot harder so I don’t want any flex which will make the wheel be unpredictable in corners or on rock gardens etc

@BlackPenquinn 4 года назад

I have a set of Zipps on my Ripmo. They are perfect for the Rocky and roots trails I ride (Canadian Shield). They basically have the best traits of a carbon and aluminum wheel. I have a full season on them now and they are still true and zero loose spokes. I know some people think they might be prone to that because of the ankle compliance, but we haven’t seen it. I chose these over the new We Are Ones and don’t regret it at all.

@ur2slob724 3 года назад

Santa Cruz Carbon wheels, can’t beat them for sure with lifetime warranty and there customer service is the best

@bigswishy 4 года назад

Thanks for the vid! What shorts was Liam wearing?

@psuboyjoe 4 года назад

I'm running a 650b set of Nox rims on Project 321 hubs on my gravel bike... I was surprised to dig the carbon as much as I do. At 190 lbs I like a stiff rim. However I totally prefer aluminum rims on my trail bike. Regardless of lifetime warranty or not, if I damage a carbon rim a lifetime warranty is not helpful when I can't just bend a rim back and bike out.

@d0u6s 4 года назад

200+ here, I make everything "compliant" 😏 Good video ✔

@tdmjfountain 4 года назад

d0u6 me too!

@romanmorales515 3 года назад

Ah yes fisics

@willbros1499 4 года назад

I WOULD HAVE LOVED a wildcard thrown in to run it with a set of good AL wheels!! You guys do a lot of these type of videos. You should up your game on the POV footage. Hero 7, chin mounted. I get it..."We hate full face helmets." Well...your footage will be so drastically improved, that it's worth it, and it's not like you're on 25 mile trail rides on these tests. It's especially enticing when you can get the best air flow helmets out there..TLD, Lazer, Fox, etc. Check out Phil Kmetz latest Whistler videos for an example how GREATLY IMPROVED your footage would be with that simple change. Thanks for the test. I run the DIRT components carbon wheelset in the 30.1mm inner diameter. I love them. I had ridden a few different brands, and as you explain well here...the complaince as drastically different. Enve were hard as rocks...did not care for them at all. I tried the NOX, and they were a little better...still pretty firm. Ibis was really nice, but they were out of stock when I ordered my Ripmo, so I went with the DIRT wheels, and they feel very similar to the Ibis. That having been said....I think a really good set of AL wheels is fine for most casual riders who aren't going to be racing and wanting every last .1 of a second out of their riding. With the prices on carbon wheels, and warranty improving, it's getting closer to AL cost...but still a ways to go.

@georgertheexplorer4114 4 года назад

How compliant would an average alloy rim be compared to these?

@headoverbars8750 4 года назад

Very good point about being heavier. Question : Like you guys, Im lighter. I'm 5'8 145lbs geared and ride my suspension firm already (25-28% sag and roughly 10 to 20psi over recommended ). Would any of these wheels be too stiff for an already stiff setup bike? (Looking for maximum playfulness without being too deflective). That said, my rebound is also such that I can just barely get the back end to round down when jumping really high. Need to find a demo somewhere...

@chriss8375 4 года назад

Like to know what bike he was riding, was that the podium? Need to see an up close review of that from wwc.

@handleymacdonald5760 4 года назад

What do you guys think about nobl wheels?? Do you think they are good?

@noegalvez2724 Год назад

Crank Brothers Synthesis E Enduro carbon 29 boost xd I am very happy.

@nismomike3182 4 года назад

How were the wheels laced 2 cross vs 3 cross?

@pympin87 4 года назад

i wonder if running the zipp up front and e-13 in the rear would feel similar to the crankbros

@Dude-Smellmyhelmet 4 года назад

If you want your wheels to feel like crank brothers, get the crank brothers wheels.

@pympin87 4 года назад

@@Dude-Smellmyhelmet lol ... i know ... i was just saying as an experiment

@liamwoods5353 4 года назад

So many good wheels. Can I ride them all at the same time?!

@ynotgymp4893 4 года назад

NOX Farlow 27.5 CK front I9 tourch rear DHF/HR 5'8" 168lbs OC rider loose over hard/ rocky tech stuff mostly

@craigb.5650 4 года назад

You looked smoother on E13 lol

@yeldawg907 3 года назад

Yeah you really need a heavy guy reviewer for the 220#+ gang to listen to

@wesleybailey4128 4 года назад

Are there major differences between the E13 LG1 and the TRSr besides weight?

@Jinedan 4 года назад

Weights and widths of the 3 tested?

@johnbeedham3010 4 года назад

interesting vid! comparison vids are good even if not rigorously controlled...the impressions and narrative provided by the test pilot is easier to digest than the facts and figures imo ....most of the time??

@darrellponton1393 3 года назад

The donk on your desktop home Screen tho 🤣🤣

@derekgilson9479 Год назад

So what are your thoughts about the elite carbon wheels 29ers for mtb

@MattGarofolo 4 года назад

I like the muzak. What track is that?

@chawkins45ify 3 года назад

How do the crank brother e.11 wheels compare to I9 305's?

@samperi01 4 года назад

Is that size medium foxy 29? if it is what size dropper are you running?

@jackadler5941 4 года назад

I would like to see this test running in reverse order. Not warmed up on first laps.

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Valid point, we did make sure to note this was not a totally scientific and perfect test. That would be extremely hard and not cost effective to pull off something like that but what we were going for was more trying to get the qualitative aspects of this and that came down to feel during back-to-back comparisons on the same Trail and bike and tires.

@Blaira89 4 года назад

What is the rim tape on those crank brothers wheels?

@vin374 4 года назад

Why not Envy or I9?

@zwingler 4 года назад

Worldwide Cyclery prob hasn't gotten an answer from them.

@antwake 4 года назад

No Industry Nine guys?

@careed18 4 года назад

That guy yelling in the background sounded angry at trains

@user-xt7ih1mc5p 2 года назад

How about Crank Brothers 11 with mavic crossmax

@AZXB1076 4 года назад

What trail is this?? Im local to you guys

@yegmtb8377 4 года назад

Are those the zipp moto wheels if so il take a pair when on sale lmao

@Dude-Smellmyhelmet 4 года назад

Didnt watch the video ?

@evo5349 4 года назад

E13 rear wheel I break spokes all the time would never buy them again.

@TrailFeatures 4 года назад

TIL that trains are jerks.

@dominicabbott991 4 года назад

wheels on wheels on wheels.

@jariusviloria3369 4 года назад

wr1 w/ onyx

@totalchaos80 4 года назад

Ok someone help me out here. I switched from a 27.5 aluminum wheel to an eThirteen LG1R 29in wheel. The biggest notice is that I'm not riding a 27.5 fatty anymore. Those differences are easily felt. As for the fact I'm now on carbon wheels, I have no idea what they're doing for me and the same goes for my carbon frame. I mean other than being a tad lighter, I feel like it's just a status thing...."Yea bruh my shit is carbon" Fortunately my 1,200 wheels were part of a free promotion when I bought my bike. If I spent that much money on those wheels I'd be pissed,because other than it changing my bike to a 29er, I don't know what the hype is. Ohh and yeah the 29r front just skims the crown of my fork and actually created a divot from the tread pattern of my DHF!

@treycox706 4 года назад

When I went from an aluminum wheel to the E Thirteen carbon wheels I stayed 27.5 so the only variable was the carbon. I even had the same tires. The carbon seemed to help me stay on my line through rocks and it was more point and shoot where I felt the aluminum would bend more and was Almost trying to steer me where it wanted to go rather than where I wanted to go. I personally felt the difference. Also it wasn’t extremely massive it was notable for sure. There’s my two sense.

@jmanswat2457 4 года назад

There are definitely some performance differences and tradeoffs. I've always felt that carbon is for racing and not trail riding. It's light and stiff and gives you that edge but it's not durable or cheap. Yeah you get a lifeline warranty but you basically pay for it, and all the hassel with shipping and downtime, AND I think companies make better margin on it when its all said and done. Everyone I know that runs carbon is constantly worried about it- nics and dinges. Really puts a damper on the fun factor in rides. Plus they keep figuring out how to make aluminum lighter and stiffer all the time.

@gregcavanaugh6259 4 года назад

@@jmanswat2457 That's interesting because I haven't owned a set of carbon wheels yet, but when my buddy accidentally backed over this carbon wheel with his car and the wheel was totally fine...that was the indicator for me. I hate truing wheels!

@totalchaos80 4 года назад

@@jmanswat2457 Yea when I get on the rocky stuff I start to get nervous. I mean I guess if they break I have lifetime on them but just riding real cautious in the chunk.

@totalchaos80 4 года назад

@@treycox706 Yea I do feel real sturdy on these wheels and I can pin turns much faster than I could on the 27s. I was thinking it was the tires but the wheels probably are playing a big part in that.

@quantumcreator8888 4 года назад

I run Tesla wheelset .. ohh 😮 I spilled the beans

@davenicholson3491 4 года назад

The cranks make me stiff 🤭

@jtphotography0 4 года назад

what you gotta do is eat some park tool grease and mm lunch (I'm jk)

@olliechub7931 4 года назад

Might want to get a new mic or fix your current one because your S’s are really coming out terribly

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Yeah mics were not on point in this video sorry!

@ride14fun 3 года назад

Not sure what you were riding but it was lame! Try something with a lot more rocks like NorthStar and you will inevitably taco the e13. AND if you don't have the receipt you do NOT get anything.

@TheWavrdr 4 года назад

E13 Race SL Carbon would’ve been a better choice for the comparison IMO. More in the category with the other two tested.....

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Hhmm why do you think so? The 3zero and Synthethis E11 are both targeted at Enduro specially as well as the "EN" version of the E.13 wheels we used...

@TheWavrdr 4 года назад

Worldwide Cyclery, if “compliance” is the “targeted” word associated with a review of strength and performance, then I personally feel the Race SL is a more comparable product. The AG’s are sick, but are specifically targeted for downhill riding....ie: stiff and strong as a mofo. Just my opinion obviously; keep the video production up, love your content 🤙